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Most of civilised country's recognise digital theft.

If you found their private key by mathematical computation or guessing, I think it will not be considered illegal. But if you got that by using malware or trojan that may be illegal.
If you hacked Nobody can expect you can claim that wallet is yours.

If 3) happens then all Bitcoins become worthless and the question would become:  If I take something which is worth nothing is it illegal?

Well I guess you could argue that even though all Bitcoins are now worthless they still might have sentimental value.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I have pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

They do but they're not gonna do anything about it. There's quite a few people on here who've attempted to report stuff and they don't seem to get very far.

Yes, it would be illegal.

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So,

1) If they hacked into my machine and stole the private key; (illegal)
2) If they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; (illegal)
3) If they brute forced the private key into existence; (not illegal)
4) If they snapped a shot of my private key qr code over my shoulder at an ATM. (not illegal)

What if I claimed an address on the block chain with a signature and 3 or 4 happened?  Would I have a case then?

Likely illegal.  But where do you start to find them>  IP addresses are easy to fake.  wallet addresses are anonymous, difficult to track and can be changed every transaction.
I sure would like to know if there is a good way.  I was just hacked for about $20k and feel there is no recourse.

As far as I know, hacking for stealing and is illegal.

So,

1) If they hacked into my machine and stole the private key; (illegal)
2) If they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; (illegal)
3) If they brute forced the private key into existence; (not illegal)
4) If they snapped a shot of my private key qr code over my shoulder at an ATM. (not illegal)

What if I claimed an address on the block chain with a signature and 3 or 4 happened?  Would I have a case then?

If 3) happens then all Bitcoins become worthless and the question would become:  If I take something which is worth nothing is it illegal?

Well I guess you could argue that even though all Bitcoins are now worthless they still might have sentimental value.

Yes it is illegal, stealing and hacking are punishable by law.  But how could someone hack your BTC wallet?  We have unique addresses and it cannot be stolen.  You can file case but up to what extent?  How you will identify the hacker?  Who will you sue?  Just be sure to change your password every now and then.

Stealing 0.0000001 Bitcoin is perfectly legal, because it's so small value. Nobody ever got arrested for stealing 1 cent for example.


When you do it 10000000000 times, it should be legal too.

I think this is kind of a related but murkier issue.

I have a lot of questions about "smart contracts" which have been raised by this event:

http://pastebin.com/CcGUBgDG

So the "smart contract" says that the entire contract is contained in the code and that whatever is defined/allowed by the code is what defined/allowed in the contract.

Then a loophole is found in the "contract" and someone uses it to their advantage.

Is executing this code, which was allowed by the smart contract code, admittedly unintentionally, then legal?

Now, the ETH/DAO community is considering reversing the transaction so ... would that be legal?  Wouldn't that be theft by the collective ETH/DAO community?

Some messy questions to say the least.

3) Is it illegal to write a check with your bank account and signature on it?
4) Is it illegal to look in the paper trash for cc information? Snap a shot and use it?

Haha well I doubt we'll get there anytime soon s don't you worry ;) you just keep on HODLing.

It is illegal to steal digital goods. It's a fact. But to others' points, the authorities will most likely do nothing or start a haphazard investigation and in the end getting your $500 back from a hacker off the coast of Taiwan won't be a priority. Giving those punk kids their $150 speeding tickets will meet the quota nicely :)

Back to the subject though, authorities would most likely just brush anything being digitally stolen as things they "don't have jurisdiction over" so why even bother? sure it's illegal to steal things, physical or digital, but if the authorities don't follow up then whats been stolen is just gone.

This last part starts to go where I was thinking.
In order for something to be stolen it first needs to have a defined value.
Since most governments have not recognized BTC as a valid currency, or at the very least recognized how it is to be valued, BTC essentially has a value of zero.
Theft involves stealing something of value, no value, no theft.

I wouldn't want to test my theory in some countries and that is not to say you could not be punished in another way, in the US mobsters where often convicted of tax evasion.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

From the moral point of view in my own opinion, it is wrong however morality does not change anything but issue is that can it be proven in the court of law so better still I suggest you try other more secure ways to keep it safe to make more secure and avoid reoccurrence of such. My 2 cents...

yes it is totally illegal is just like if some one is going to steal your ATM card and code, because you put your crypto currency there and no one has te right to get access to it legally.

Sure, theft is illegal. Generally, so is hacking someone. The trouble in this case, though, is: can you prove that theft, or a hack occurred? That may not always be possible. Users compromise their private keys in a number of ways -- most often by exposing themselves to malware, including malicious mobile wallet apps -- but not always. If you can't prove the method of compromise, and further, the identity of the attacker, you don't have a case.

And then, past that, law enforcement is pretty ignorant with this stuff. Unless huge sums of money are involved, nobody cares.

Even when law officials care, they usually are incompetent.
Lots of exchanges went bust with huge amounts of money hacked, I don't see any recoveries being made by law enforcement agencies.  ;D

It is illegal for someone to hack your bitcoin, as it is your bitcoins and the person who steal will have to be treated the same as are treated by stealing other currencies.

I don't see how it is not illegal because you did not give them permission to have it - it is theft.  Governments are working on ways to regulate bitcoin as we speak so hopefully we can get more protection and an avenue for recourse.

I don't see how it is not illegal because you did not give them permission to have it - it is theft.  Governments are working on ways to regulate bitcoin as we speak so hopefully we can get more protection and an avenue for recourse.

Like all other currencies no one is allowed to get your bitcoins and like all other currencies it will also be illegal that someone get your bitcoins.

I agree with you bitcoin is a currency so any one who will take your bitcoins without any permission of you will steal it and he will have to be punished the same as we do in case of money laundering .

This is illegal but it is quite difficult to prove and find who stole your Bitcoin. These hackers know how to hide their tracks well, so call a very small chance.  :-\

it does not matter that either you can prove it or not but morally it is not good and totally illegal and that is enough, it is just a type of stealing some ones bank account.

yes there is no doubt about this that it is illegal if some one hack your BTC address, because it is just like if you are going to steal the bank account of a person, and this really a big crime.

it is good to learn hacking on your own wallet but what the reason behind that ?

it does not matter that either you can prove it or not but morally it is not good and totally illegal and that is enough, it is just a type of stealing some ones bank account.

Yes i also agree with you , there is no doubt about this, if some one hacking your Bitcoin wallet it mean that he is just like hacking your bank account and is going to steal your money, therefore it s totally illegal.

it does not matter that either you can prove it or not but morally it is not good and totally illegal and that is enough, it is just a type of stealing some ones bank account.

Of course it is illegal thing.  There is the intention to steal because of what you just stated.  But there is no or I have not heard of anything or someone that goes to court because of stealing bitcoins.  The question now is how would you retrieve the stolen bitcoins to you?  How will you know who was or were the culprit?  And finally, what would you do now?

Of course this is illegal.
Its theft of digital goods.

From where I stand, it will be illegal if only you can prove it in law i.e a particular law that covers you and him and also the subject matter which is Bitcoin then you can prove it in law but the issue now is how much has been hacked? that will worth all the trouble to locate the hacker, sue him to court and then make him pay which is now beyond your own power. Even the big hackings with lots of BTCs going down the drain, what happen to it and how far the case has gone?

In the eyes of people, yes it is. But from the eyes of law, i think that is a different story. Some countries doesnt make a particular rule or law about hacking bitcoin. But it can be considered a cyber crime. Hacking in any other forms is a serious crime. They can be arrested and jailed to prison if its proven. That can be a violation that can be charge to a hacker. I just dont know if bitcoin is in the coverage of that law.

Every country has its own cyber crime law, they differ from each other, but some country adopt other countries law, so some might be the same, but most of them only has a small claw and limited to what was written only on the said law, now, if cyber crime law in a certain country was made before the dawn of the bitcoin, then bitcoin wasn't in it, except if something in bitcoin that is mention in it, and only lawyers are the best at linking things just by words. I also think that if there is a revision of said laws, and it includes bitcoin, then there is a chance.

Big question there is, where country will you file your case?

Again, if there is no law prohibiting the hack of bitcoin wallet, then all you can do is cry!!!  :D

Hackers are thief so i will consider it as illegal by the law or not.. for me it is illegal and if you are hacking an account or btc wallet it is a bad habit..
And you can be arrested by nbi if you caught.
If you are planning to hack it is not a good idea it is better to work or find a job..

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

This may be my opinion,, whatever form hack is theft and not justified, even if the act was illegal and not justified but to entrap him with the rule of law is a bit complicated, of course, go back to the state where the rules and regulations of legal sanction applied in the country to the hack

hacking by definition is illegal, but do the hackers care? If they do, they won't be called hackers.

illegal does not mean people don't do, so better protect your own assets to avoid losses.

For me, hacking your bitcoin address is a really bad thing, it is illegal and against the law. You can sue this person.
But if someone just get a hold your private key, lets say he just found it written on a paper, and then transfer your balance to their wallet, I think that is not theft. That is just a coincidence.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I see theft, based on the facts stated. But there are two schools of thought. Let me discuss them.

FIRST. - If you are the victim of account hacking, you can file a case against the hacker because, for all intents and purposes, your country has not spoken about how the treatment for Bitcoin will go about. In short, your government officials' acquiescence on Bitcoin does not amount to it being illegal. Thus, there being no law declaring its illegality, it is LEGAL.

SECOND. - If you are the victim of account hacking, you cannot file a case against the hacker because your country, through your government officials, has not acknowledged the existence of Bitcoins in the first place.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

For me, the word "hack" already sounding illegal and should require urgent crying out to the necessary authority if such happens to your bitcoin wallet.

That necessary authority you do mean doesnt exist because theres no division that do make handle on these kind of cases because they do know that it would really be a big work and time consuming thing if they would try to trace up the hacker or scammer which they would end up and saying that this is a pointless thing. In the sense that someone is hacking your wallet then its considered illegal because it is stealing but on laws it cant be considered yet as of now so once hacked then dont expect for retrieval.

Anything that is done with fraud or deceit will always be considered illegal and you can have the power to ask the help from the police or any proper authorities. Also if there is no fraud and deceit involve your Bitcoin is your "Private Property" only you can spend or use it as nobody else have the right to use what is yours. The problem here is it is nearly impossible to retrieve your Bitcoin ever again as it exist virtually which means it can travel to a lot of different addresses by the time it has been stolen from you.

If you found their private key by mathematical computation or guessing, I think it will not be considered illegal. But if you got that by using malware or trojan that may be illegal.
If you hacked Nobody can expect you can claim that wallet is yours.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

Criminal offenses under the Act[edit]
(a) Whoever—

(1) having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or any restricted data, as defined in paragraph y. of section 11 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, with reason to believe that such information so obtained could be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—
(A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602 (n) [1] of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer;

I think the answer primarily depends on the laws and regulations of the country that you are staying. The scenario given is very situational, yet intriguing since this things seem to happen commonly. To give you an example, to government agency of my country (Philippines) sees bitcoin as property, therefore being subject to hacking equates to stealing which is punishable under our penal laws. Though proving and getting the culprit might seem impossible, if proven guilt then the individual may face charges against him. Again, this is really dependent on the country that you are staying since some government agencies have their own agenda/perspective when it comes to bitcoin so you better check-it out first.

While bitcoin is not legal, its theft will not be considered a crime

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

No since there is no law surrounding bitcoin, the same way it's not illegal to create an exchange and steal all the money, they will not be charged

In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?

Germany has declared it a private currency:

And seriously, read the title of the webpage. It's Bitcoin, not BitCoin.

It's the "virtual goods" part that makes it curious.
If you use bad crypto and I steal your Bitcoins is that more like me breaking into your house and stealing your cash (illegal) or more like me ganking you in a full-loot MMO and stealing the in-game stuff you bought with real money (legal)? Are Bitcoins more like dollars or EVE money where the law is concerned?

It's kind of a problematic situation though. How do you prove ownership of an address? Usually you only have your private key (so you could, for example, sign a message with your private key and people could check that you are in possession of said key). But if a crypto cracker gets your key, both of you kind of have 'proof of ownership'.
Unless you can show that, e.g., salary payments from your employer went to that address, proving ownership will be a problem.

Just like cash
Edit: Why the downvotes...?

All of those scenarios look like theft. Problem is the authorities ain't gonna care enough to do anything about it. Those guys are geared to nail single moms taking nappies from the store, not remote crimes of stuff they don't understand.

My government still forbid bitcoin , it means that bitcoin user have their own risk and responsible with their bitcoin.
I'm already aware that happen so I keep prepare myself for the worst and always becareful every time when I try to do transaction especially on public place. ( bitcoin getting expensive, more criminal attempt will come )

I think bitcoin would still have value because the bad actor would not expose themselves....right? Would he have an incentive to keep the method a secret?

See, that's what's got me re-thinking some of these points....How would we prove that 3 or 4 happened, unless the bad actor exposed the method?  And, what new legislation might be proposed to protect public ledger breeches?  It's kind of scary thinking about the public space being legislated (which could be proposed due to bitcoin's market capital reaching such high numbers)....Sometimes legislation that's passed through has unintended consequences when it comes to personal liberties....

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin? 

Yes ofcourse its illegal and any person whom you don't allow access to your money takes access in any unethical manner would be illegal. But problem is which country's law is going to give you shelter in such a crime. I dont know any country which pertains any law regarding bitcoin theft. Moreover private key doesn't has any owners name affixed with it. So it will be a heck of problem for you to claim that these btc were actually yours.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

All of those scenarios look like theft. Problem is the authorities ain't gonna care enough to do anything about it. Those guys are geared to nail single moms taking nappies from the store, not remote crimes of stuff they don't understand.

Yes, I'm not sure if authorities will considered it as a crime. Sometime they will only tell you that they understand your situation but they will tell you that there is still no laws for that kind of crime or maybe just ignore because they don't know or don't have any idea what you're talking to.

Good point. What the hacker did is actually wrong and is considered a crime under theft. However the problem is that not many countries (especially those who belong the third world countries) do not recognize digital theft. I guess when you're in country who does take this situation seriously, then you are lucky. It's unfortunate how if this happens and you can't do anything about it since the authority does not understand what this platform is and sometimes the government does not recognize it. Hopefully, the time would come that a certain protection or measure is established for everyone's wallet security and safety.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

No, you should not give to anyone your private key, if that happens then all your assets and all your coions will be stole.

Unless you are permitted to do so but in all scenarios it is fraud.  It is illegal to hack the account of btc wallet or invading or accessing the account of someone without any permission to do it so.
All hacking are fraudulent activities that should be careful off and the company should not tolerate this activity that occur.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

If he/she doesn't have any permission coming from you it is called stealing and it is illegal but you don't have enough evidence to prove that he/she stole the bitcoin from you that's why make sure you have a high security in your account.

Hacking is Illegal in every way. In digital world, If you are entering into someone private space without permission then it is totally an illegal act and should be punishable under law. Now it all depends upon your country's law, how strong is your country's digital law and how seriously they take it.

There's no law about cryptocurrency yet but in real world its illegal specially when you don't allow that person to do it but I think its hard to bring it back since this is a decentralized and its hard to find that person. There's a lot of phishing site that can easily get your private key so you better be careful if you don't want to loose your money easily.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

Its very good question but i think that here is don't have any laws to prevent these threats if such a problem occurred than who will asset it and on which bases they will make a good solution for it.the best thing is that you will be very care full.

Exactly. Technically it's not illegal because there aren't any legal boundaries yet covering crypto. That's why i think having certain regulations are also vital with crypto's progress. Though it's not going to be easy hacking one's wallet unless of course the owner becomes careless with his security keys

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

This could be under the investigation of cyber crime division, BUT does your government recognizes Cryptocurrency in your country in order to make legal actions regarding this case?
This could be a perfect example of a good feature for cryptocurrency to be regulated by the government. PROTECTION.

Most of civilised country's recognise digital theft.
Different definitions are taken in to consideration. But most of those states have
something like " if one breaks through securities to poses things that are hidden behind those
securities, this is considered a crime against law of possession"  In my country at the least
most of cyber goods, like items from WOW or LOL are protected under this law.
I think bitcoins are no different, also are goods, digital but still.  

Invading, accessing or hacking someone else's btc wallet without the owners permission is fraud, the issue is that you cannot as well report this to the authority because most country see it as illegal so there is no protection for customers .

This could be under the investigation of cyber crime division, BUT does your government recognizes Cryptocurrency in your country in order to make legal actions regarding this case?
This could be a perfect example of a good feature for cryptocurrency to be regulated by the government. PROTECTION.

Any pass word in any account in the internet is considered a personal belonging, considering private key of electronics wallet
 is considered your personal property belonging, even if bitcoin is illegal or legal in your country hacking personal information is considered a violation under the cyber law.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

It is considered as a crime. They have no permission to have your funds and they stole it by hacking your wallet where hacking is already illegal so it's like 2 counts of charges.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

Obviously yes! Apparently, hacking is a sin! It is just like you stole something that's not yours! It's a criminal things-taking something that is not yours without her/him approval that's hell!

The answer here depends on your country. Actually as per the general preposition a wallet is property of the person who holds the private key. There is nothing that once you create a wallet you have got your name on it. So if anyone has your private key you will first have to prove that you originally owned the wallet. Now here the problem is that most of the countries don't even have any law about bitcoin and crypto so there loss is not even considered as a theft or anything. So I think you have no protection from law even if some one hacks into your wallet.

Hacking someone else's electronic wallet is definitely illegal, but you can not report it to the authorities because from the beginning the legal protection of the consumer does not exist, you must know this risk before you decide to invest your money in it.

Theft is theft and there is two way about it, and theft is a criminal act which is against the law of every society except if it is not a crime in your own society. If any of your situation you mention above happen, you can approach any court of law.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

Any of these actions can be considered theft, but no one will investigate and look for the perpetrators, because such scams are very difficult to track.

I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

Obviously yes! Apparently, hacking is a sin! It is just like you stole something that's not yours! It's a criminal things-taking something that is not yours without her/him approval that's hell!