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Hey guys got my 1070 TI's yesterday and been messing around with them today, thanks to QuintLeo for the specs

If you're into equihash coins such as ZEC ZEN and so on, then using the 1070 TI might be the best choice for you especially if you're into low heat + high efficiency builds + this also means they're quiet . . anyway I'm happy with them!

https://i.imgur.com/paGt3yyl.png
https://youtu.be/jtp4plChU9Y

Here's the full part list for my upcoming 6 GPU build with 1070 TI's - Available to buy on Amazon

1070 TI 6x GPU Rig build (pick 6 w/ amazon limits 3 and 3 is the easiest to acquire)
EVGA SC (what I plan to order six more of)
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EVGA FTW (1070 TI shown)
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Zotac 1070 TI (Cheapest and same specs)
https://goo.gl/9BZPPm
Gigabyte 1070 TI (Solid price / same specs)
https://goo.gl/GvRkJx

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I really like watching your videos.  I learn a lot from them keep it up! 

Thanks man I really appreciate that, glad I could help / give back some as I try to soak up as much info as I can retain form btc talk xD

This is definitely a good card for mining.

Agreed, depends on the persons goals but as a mainly equihash miner myself and I have to deal with electric $ / consumption / heat, they're perfectly suited for me lol + I like your name, straight to the point haha

Basically I like your rig.
But the only thing that I would argue with is the choice of video cards. It seems to me that 1080 ti will be much better in your case.
So I'm wondering why you chose 1070 ti?

In my experience all the nvidia GTX 10x0 videocards can reach 4.5+ sols per watt if you set the powerlimit to 60-65%. For example, if I sacrifice a small performance drop from 300 sols/s to 270 sols/s from my 3gb 1060, the power consumption decreases significantly to around 60W and I go from 3.2 sols/W to 4.8 sols/W. Nothing that special about these new 1070Ti - but anyways, it's a good choice price/performance-wise.

I've not worked at all with the 1060, but I've never seen a 1070 1080 or 1080 ti achieve efficiency above about 4.2 - on the other hand, I've also not done much testing of DSTM yet.
Using EBWF, the 1070 ti was the first card I ever saw get above 4.4 sol/watt.

 Definitely the current efficiency king, just not a night and day difference.

 I don't even expect VOLTA when it shows up to get much past 5.0 for that matter.

Lol' sol for watt. I can get 13.5hashes per watt. So how would this work know ? I beat you card by 3 times.

Just pick a random algo where you card is best and automatically its the best mining card ;D


How many $$$ per Kwh ?


Ill start 1.2444$ for a Kwh

IMO, the goal should be maximum profitability, not maximum efficiency. The two are not the same and the extra hash from running less efficient settings may still be profitable depending on your power costs.

if you are building these 8 card  rigs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CvDso6LitI&feature=youtu.be


https://youtu.be/cEc6-Gv5QPM


the evga 1070 ti hybrid will be the best card you can use.

the eight slot boards call out for water block 1 jack pcie cards

and this is the best of all of them
full price 529
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-5678-KR

I have lots of these but they are 1 year warranty refurbished.
 refurbished price 459
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6178-RX
here it is full price 499
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6178-KR


there is not a lot of choice  in this style water block which are the best cards for the 8 slot mobos

those three above are 1 pcie jack = very important  to the build

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1070-SEA-HAWK-X.html

also makes a card that works.

so there are 4 cards  really only 3 cards and a refurbished to choose from.

these eight card rigs are pretty much the best zCash rigs around

you can drop to 3100 sols  at 785 watts at the wall
you can crank to 3600 sols at 1040 watts at the wall

that is with the 1070's

with the 1070 ti's

you can do 4000 sols for 1000 watts.

1 good week with BTG  and you may earn quite a bit back.

How do you determine the efficiency?

Is it the sols/W output from a mining program or measuring the hash rate and dividing it by the Wattmeter reading?

Ewb 3.3 and 3.4 give very accurate numbers.

I have matched them with three separate kwatt meters and they are accurate.

So if you do —pec and the nvidia reads 4.5 sols per watt it is close.

A lot of these cards push 4.5  sols per watt when tdp is low like 55%

But that setting is not practical.

As hashrate drops a lot

4.5 sol/s is amazing at your setting with 60% power limit. The maximum efficiency I could achieved at 75-80% PL which I usually use is not that high, around 3.3 sol/s, but I think it's acceptable.

Excellent review, thanks for the post, I was very curious about these. I'm picking up a couple tomorrow!

Only way to know if the new card is the best new thing is to try it out yourself! These cards have been running rock solid for a week now, low noise, low heat, low power consumption -- I'm a big fan of them :D

Do you think the Voltas will be out by feb?

that's awesome glad I could help and enjoy them :D

speaking of BTG how is BTG mining going Phil?

I definitely see your point, I try to strike a balance between them for better or worse xD

I've been on the fence about stepping in the NVidia game from my AMD rigs. I only have two 20A circuits though and so can't really add more than two 6-8A rigs (in addition to my 13 RX 470/570)s

So that would be like 4 1070 TIs, right?

Can 4 1070s run on one 750W psu (if I have a smaller psu for the MOBO/access)?

4 GTX 1070 ti run at the OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY ballpark of 106 watts (give or take about 4 in my recent testing) should be comfortable on a good-quality 750 watt PS like a Seasonic X-750 Gold or EVGA G2 750 with enough left over to run the rest of the system.
 If you run them at full 180 watt TDP though, that's 720 watts average draw which is NOT going to run reliably on a single 750.

5 of them at 110 watt TDP are quite comfortable running on a single 850 - which pulls very close to 6 amps at the wall with a Seasonic X-850 or EVGA G2 850 and a FX-8350E based AM3+ system (CPU makes up for it's higher power draw vs an Intel G4600/4560 type system by mining Monero at about 320 hash/s).

5 of them on a low-power system would probably be close to 5.5 amps (might want to push TDP down to 106 or so to get to 5.3-5.4 range) - which is a comfortable fit on a 20 amp circuit for 3 such rigs.


 And yes, if you have not maxed out your available power and that power is cheap enough, it makes sense to run them at higher TDP levels for the extra hashrate - part of the reason I showed so many TDP power points in my testing.

 If you ARE pushing the limits of your available power, though, it CAN make sense to aim for better efficiency so you can run more cards and get more overall hashrate even if your power is FREE.


 Also, the more efficient points tend to let the card run cooler and with less fan speed, for better longevity.

Ended up buying 4 Vega 56s instead! Bring on the headaches!

along with this train of that thats why I chase efficiency, I have 100 amps, that's it lol so a max efficiency setup will give me most hash per watt + as you said a point I feel people dont often discuss is helping the longevity of the card


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Testing out the Zotac 1070 TI Mini, pretty sweet for only $50 more give or take on that figure, same price as the non TI used to be during the massive price gouge era
https://i.imgur.com/qesIPkBl.jpg
///Current baseline settings = 125 watts 200 core 500 memory
Here's a link to it for those interested
https://goo.gl/9BZPPm
https://i.imgur.com/nOp8LNGl.png

When you going to build a 4 card VEGA rig and put a vid? :)

You`re hooked man, no escaping now from the minning addiction lol! Anyway, i like your videos, like your passion and dedication. Keep up the faith and the riches shall come!  8)

Is there any degrade in hash performance with the mini's 1070ti vs standard 1070ti?  Is their degrade in cooling?  I am getting my 1070 ti msi titantiums this friday, can't wait to give it a spin.

 The 1080 mini was a hair marginal on cooling if you pushed it anywhere close to it's default 180 watt TDP, but if you run it lower for better efficiency it should stay pretty cool.
 1070 ti mini has the same default TDP so it should have the same cooling "curve" as the 1080.

 I don't have a 1070 ti Zotac Mini yet but I DO have a couple of their 1070 and one of their 1080 models.

a 1200-1300w platinum or titanium rated PSU will push the efficiency a bit more, because typically PSUs efficiency curve peaks at round 50% of max load capacity

I still think its better to buy 1080 ti instead , you might be giving up some /little efficency for the density but in the end you are going for long yerm benefit , because these will still stand there fround against next gen gpus and hence price fall wont be that much for resale and 1080 ti just sounds much cooler than a 1070ti :p , But yeah this. Efficency is a good step :)

1070 ti is gddr5

1080/1080 ti is gddr5x ---> this generation or memory may bring future advantages

regarding density 1070 ti is not very far from 1080 ti, 1060 is ...

anyway density is efficiency too..lets say a 5x 1080 ti rig is ~3500 sols that is a 7x 1070 ti rig, the point is if your motherboards is 5x pcie, you need another board/system to put the 2x 1070 ti, additional system power consumption reduces overall efficiency.

assuming space is not a problem, but for home based miners with a room/basement allocated to mining (limited space) density is a must.

I'm paying 15 cent summer rates and 22 cents winter rates for electricity.  I need all the efficiency I can get with these high California electrical rates and still maintain my hobby.  All my power supply's are evga t2 titantium efficiency with 220 volt so it runs at 96 percent efficiency.

I have 9x 1080 ti's so looking forward for the  4x 1070 ti'.  Hoping to complete my 3 rig's,  got a few more slots to fill

I have been buying 1060's for their efficiency and lower price point. I might try to do a new rig soon with the 1070Ti's as I value power efficiency over raw hash rate after reading through these results.

Anyone manage to tweak their 1070 TI to the point of a 5 sols per watts efficiency level yet?

Great post, This is definitely the card's i will end up with once i expand my mining a bit.

 Not me - seems like the peak efficiency point is VERY VERY close to that 60% point I came up with (and others have also independently determined).

And it seems to depend on the card type. My G1 Gaming is doing good but not that great unfortunately. If I see another good deal for a 1070 Ti I will try with another brand/model.

Might need to tweek the core clock and memory settings for other models/brands.

 My next planned buy is a Zotac 1070ti mini, due to a "physical fit" issue with the new shelf setup I'm building.

I just built a 7 Card - EVGA GTX 1070 ti - rig.  What settings did you use from quint? 

Hello Vosk
don't you have an overheating issue because your card a really close one to each other?
actually it is not quite good, in my build I leave space about 3-4 sm between cards so there will be better air circulation

6gb or 3gb and are you mining eth / ethash with them?
What settings and brand // what memory are in your cards

That's a big reason why I've been building out into bigger rigs

Speaking of bigger rigs, we built the 6x 1070 TI rig pushing a stable 3000 sols :D
https://youtu.be/QBmZG4pnr6A
https://i.imgur.com/ZFSaCBNl.png

Whenever theyre $400 again T_T

haha yeah there's no turning back now xD I appreciate that man thank you and thanks for watching // hopefully for all of us :D

Not that I've noticed but its not a direct comparison because the rigs theyre on are a bit different, if you're going max ROI I would rec the mini's
https://goo.gl/9BZPPm
https://i.imgur.com/nOp8LNGl.png

I'm buying one of these next week from EVGA using Affirm as payment .....

Can you elaborate about the future advantages of gddr5x for mining / resale?
A gist of my understanding is just that it's lower power consumption for a higher bandwidth ???

thanks my friend, nice post your rig here/stats when its finished :D

This is a quote of Quintleo's post

Got a suprise this morning - my EVGA SC 1070 ti was on my doorstep when I wasn't expecting it 'till Monday.

 I had already installed the latest 388.13 drivers on my Win7 single-slot "test rig" machine while doing some testing on a new 1080 ti earlier this week, so the test rig was ready to go.
 I HAVE noticed some sluggishness on this machine, but it's a low-end Athlon 5050E dual core with 2 GB of ram so that's not unusual on it (machine was a LOT snappier on XP back in the day).
 Testing on this rig was done in an A/C environment at 80F give or take a degree.

 First thing I notice - the memory clock is WAY LOW, 7600 base clock for some reason. Due to that, this is the first EVGA card I can crank up to "+700" memory in Afterburner and actually have it work - as that's only 9000 actual EFFECTIVE memory clock.
 Boost is NOT limited to the "factory spec" numbers - it's like any other 1070/1080/1080ti it'll boost as high as the power settings and temp let it.
 Default TDP is 180 watts, same as a base 1080 or some higher-TDP 1070 models.
 Another odd thing - Afterburner will let me OVERVOLT the card, but it won't let me UNDERVOLT it at all.

 Did some testing on a copy of Genoil I had left over on that machine from ETH mining days - meh, pretty much the same as a 1070, obviously ETH is seriously memory limited on this card (not unexpected given other widespread reporting).

 Moved to ZEC testing with EBWF.
 Testing methodology - make a change in Afterburner, wait *at least* 2 rounds of EWBF stats posted, THEN average the next 3 stat rounds for the posted numbers.

 At stock settings (except for using my "standard" Afterburner fan profile):
 Hashrate settles in at about 467 sol/s with VERY little variation with the wattage figure in EWBF bouncing between 168 and 180 watts most of the time for an efficiency around 2.6-2.7 range.
 Core is boosting to 1848 Mhz pretty much as a straight line, 62-63C at 64-66% fan.
 Memory rock solid at "3798" (effective 7596).

 Crank the memory up to +700 in Afterburner no other changes:
 Hashrate settles in around 525 sol/s with noticeable variation, power however is pretty solid at 180 watts for efficiency at a little over 2.9
 Core is boosting to between 1810 and 1823 with a lot of bounce between those figures, temp 64C at 68% fan.
 Memory is rock solid at "4498" (effective 8996) and STAYS that way in the rest of the "+700 memory" testing.

 Dial in +200 core clock in Afterburner:
 Hashrate settles in to about 538 sol/s with some variation, power pretty solid at 180, efficiency a bit over 3.
 Core is bouncing some, mostly 1987 with lows down to 1967 and occasional bounces up to 2000. I forgot to check temps, think they bounced up to 65C at 70% fan or so.

 Drop TDP to 90% in Afterburner:
 Hashrate at 540 sol/s and pretty SOLID, power solid at 161 watts for efficiency at 3.38 - and yes, the average hashrate DID GO UP A HAIR vs 100% TDP.
 Core is bouncing 1911 and 1924 with an occasional 1898 or 1937, temp drops to 63C at 66% fan
 
 Drop TDP to 80% in Afterburner:
 Hashrate finally drops to 529 sol/s pretty solid, power pretty solid at 146, efficiency pretty solid at 3.64
 Core bouncing a lot, 1810 to 1873 range, Temp to 60C at 60% fan.

 Drop TDP to 70% in Afterburner:
 Hashrate to 509 sol/s but bouncing some, power pretty solid at 126 watts for efficiency of appx 3.96 with one reading above 4 (517 sol/s)
 Core bouncing in the 1709 to 1759 range, temp 56C at 52% fan.

 Drop TDP to 60% in Afterburner (WATCH THESE FIGURES):
 Hashrate 457 sol/s pretty stable, 103 solid watts, 4.46 efficiency.
 Core bouncing in the 1557 to 1607 range, temp 54C at 48% fan.

 This would be a VERY NICE setting to run a quiet multi-card rig in your BEDROOM, I have to put my head less than 2 feet from the GPU fans to hear them AT ALL.
 This is also THE highest efficiency figure I've seen to date out of ANY card I've owned, and I don't remember seeing a better figure reported (though I might have missed or forgotten a slightly better reported figure somewhere).


 Drop TDP to 50% in Afterburner:
 Core clock drops to under 1200 and the hashrate drops so far the efficiency gets WORSE. Don't go this low on this card.

Sweet!  Set it at
+700
+200
TDP 80

All 7 cards running at 3600 sols

Thanks very much for that post.  In a mixed Nvidia rig, not seeing quite 4.7 Sols/w, but better than the 1070 in every way.  And except for density, I would prefer it to 1080 Ti.

Am I missing something here? I'm checking profit calculations on whattomine.com and the ROI for the 1070ti is somewhere over 6 months even if I set the hash to 500 sol at 110 watts, while rx580 ROI in little over 4 months.

Mining what coins on each card?  What are you comparing?

 And what price are you assuming on the RX 580 vs the GTX 1070 ti?

According to whattomine.com the 580 would be mining electroneum and etherium. The price I saw for it was $200 on newegg. For the 1070ti price I saw was $450 and would be mining neoscrypt or equihash. My calculations could be a bit off but so far it seems the 580 would ROI faster?

RX 580 cards start from $250 on newegg, and that's for the most basic 4gb versions. Decent cards with decent coolers are closer to $300, and the 8gb versions are more than $300. Current high profits from these Polaris cards are all from ETN, which is a new coin that might go down really fast. After that it's back to ETH, and you're not likely to get 30 MH/s (as whattomine suggests when you select rx 580) from the cheapest 4gb rx 580 cards cause these days they often ship with weak hynix and elpida memory chips that you're lucky to get 27-28 MH/s from. So it's less than $1.5 a day per card.

 Some of the 570 cards have been hitting $229 on Newegg, but nothing consistantly below that other than refurbs or open boxes - so far.

 Might change over the next month though, AMD card pricing IS dropping slowly.

 You CAN get the Sapphire "mining" 470 cards pretty consistantly at $260 or $279 - seems like ONE of the models is always in stock lately - and those have VERY good cooling.

 4GB cards you're doing good to get to 28 Mhash/sec on ETH AFTER a BIOS mod - doesn't matter if it's 470 480 570 or 580 on that.

 The other thing to keep in mind - the BLUE WHALE in the room - is that ETH goes Proof of Stake sometime next year if they stay on their current plan or semi-close - at which point profitability of pretty much ALL GPU-mineable coins will quickly collapse as those 4 MILLION or so cards currently mining ETH (mostly AMD) look for new homes.

 On the plus side, card prices on AMD cards should ALSO collapse at that point as a lot of "marginal" miners find out that they're unprofitable and end up dumping used cards.

Yeah the whole eth imploding the gpu coins is a bit scary and is probably going to deter me from buying more cards for the moment but another card with a promising ROI is the Vega 56 cards able to push 2000 khs on xmr which puts it close to $5 a day if my calcs are right.

Set up my EVGA 1070 Ti this afternoon (Micron memory  :-[)and adjusted settings to 80% TDP +200 Core +600 memory.  Ran fine with about 525-530 sol/s for about 45 mins then artifacted on me on and crashed system as my monitor was hooked up to this.  This something I should RMA if it happens again?

Could someone PM me or post a link to how the USB 3.0 risers work?  I picked up a few a while back and I've never seen them work.  Is it a BIOS setting thing or drivers?  idk...  thx for any advice

Don't worry, there is enough nostalgic romance longing for the days of mining bitcoin with GPUs that GPUs will never go out of style.  Remember, we are in nerd heaven and nerd heaven will always have miners with GPUs!

You overclocked the crap out of the card and then want to RMA it because it crashes? :D EVGA won't be happy about that. Seriously though, overclocking is not only ever guaranteed, but with most manufacturers it actually voids your warranty. Hard to enforce since customers never admit that they did any overclocking and there's no sure way to check whether they did, but still it's there most of the time, in the fine print.

If that was a new card it was faulty on arrival if it crashes in game and with mining at stock, its not wacko's fault the card died unless its a unstable overclock then its user error.
Obviously if it does'nt crash in game at stock settings its 100% perfectly ok, if it does crash in games with no oc then it is indeed faulty and will need to be rma'd.

Your oc would'nt of hurt this card in the slightest ;)

Hmm, I've got the impression from his message that he had artifacts on his screen while the card was @ +200/+600. Which is a very hefty overclock at PL80 and not every card can run stable with such an OC. Of course if those issues show up at stock clocks — then RMA it.

 No - it just means you didn't get lucky in the silicon sweepstakes on your memory or your core - OR you have poor cooling for the card and you managed to overheat it.

 What temp does the card get up to after 5 minutes or so?

 I have no idea what memory type my EVGA SC 1070 ti cards have, as I don't run them on Windows so no GPU-Z to easily tell without disassembly.


 Not sure why "in game" was mentioned in some of the replies, OP didn't say anything about gaming on the card.

Micron garbage memory and the temp is fine, never gets above 55C.  I tried lowering OC settings and it still errors out of EWBF.  Its basically a worse 1070.  My 3x 1070s are pushing +200/+600 no issues @ 70 TDP (and they have Micron mem as well).  This 1070 Ti cant hold +50/+200 at 80 TDP for more than a hour maybe two.  Hashrate is equal to or a little less than the 1070s. Disappointing.

Even tried putting all my 1070s on the risers and the 1070 Ti directly on the MB but still same issue.

Did you try overclocking them separately? It's always +xx/+xx @ xx TDP in your posts, so it's hard to be sure what's what. Set the powerlimit to 100, don't touch the core clock and simply increase the memclock to check the actual memory OC limit. Cause +200 max doesn't sound plausible, it should be able to OC more.

All 3 of my MSI 1070 run stable at +200 core +600 Mem at 70 TDP

The EVGA 1070 Ti is my only issue. I will try tonight to leave TDP at 100 and then slowly up the memory to see when it fails.  My concern is the same, it should be able to handle +200 memory with no issue.

I agree with that. I do heavy underclocking to save electricity.

TDP (Powerlimit slider in MSI AB) is just one part of the OC equation that people often don't even fully understand. It's the maximum allowed percentage of the "total" power that the card is allowed to burn. The thing is, the "full" TDP differs from card to card, it's a value in the card's BIOS, yet people in the forums often share their set Powerlimits like they're universal between different cards. They're obviously not. Your MSI 1070 cards might be higher-end Gaming (X/Z) cards and their factory TDP might be well above the reference 150W. Could be 180W, or even more. So when you set your powerlimit to 70% with these cards, you're telling them to burn no more than 180*0.7 = 126W. Not that much of a limit for a 1070. But your EVGA 1070 Ti cards might have their TDP set to 180W in BIOS, yet it's a more power-hungry chip, so when you set PL 80 for them you're limiting them to 144W, which might just not be enough for +200/+600 mode that you initially set.

I'm not saying it's the powerlimit setting that is the reason for your troubles in this case (although it could be), just trying to explain that controlling voltage and clocks on Pascal cards by simply moving one powerlimit slider is not very precise and reliable, and any meaningful tuning with this slider at least requires the user to know the actual (100%) TDP for the particular card in Watts.

 Depends in part on where it sets the STOCK clock of the memory - part of the reason my EVGA 1070 ti SC cards overclock memory so well is that the BASE MEMORY CLOCK is underclocked when they are running a mining program.

 Card models VARY, and even individual CARDS of the SAME model can vary - memory brand seems to make a big difference, and EVGA (like ALL card makers) tends to use whatever memory it can get ahold of to make a batch of cards, even if it's not the SAME brand as what went into a previous batch of the same card model.


 MSI Armor Gaming 1070 card is a VERY GOOD example of the "variation in TDP between models" issue - 240 watt TDP by factory default, where MOST 1070 models are 151 or 180 watts.


 For the record, I've NEVER had a 1070 model that could do "+600" in afterburner settings AT ALL, most were unstable at +550 and at least a couple unstable at +500 - even on models other folks reported being able to STABLE overclock more.
 Like I said, cards VARY.

Do you force your cards to have P0 state when using compute applications? You will never get stable high memory OC without it unless you you have samsung memory.

Well, to be honest the P2 issue is universal, and cards with Samsung memory suffer from it the same way as the cards with Micron. The problem, as you probably know it, is not that the card mines in P2 mode, but that when you close the miner window the memory clock jumps up for just a moment, and in that moment the driver/rig crashes. You set the memory to +500 in the MSI AB, but when you close the miner, the clock jumps to +700 for a bit. That can be avoided when you force cuda apps to run in P0 via nvidia profile inspector. It doesn't just change the mode for cuda apps to P0, but gets rid of that weird P2=>P0 jump so that the memory clock doesn't ever go higher than you set it with the +xxx offset.

Yes we are on the same page :)

It was just my bad wording, i was reffering to the +550 clock offset regarding the samsung memory. You will get +550 with samsung even on the P2 state, since most samsung cards will not fail when they jump to +750 for a second.

If you do so while overclocking then you are abusing the RMA system.
I dont think its the cards fault. Just need to tweak it better. Try 100 and 600 and run for an hour. Also try 85% TDP.
If you get artifacts on stock setting then I would RMA as that is a card issue. 
they also might send the card right back to you since they wont find any issues with it. 

+1 There is variation within the same card, same manufacturer and same model.
I think Micron memory is very capable and overclocks like a champ.
I have and do run some (not all) 1070s at +675 memory at 85TDP and 100 TDP (24-48 hours stable) so it really depends on the cards "personality" some are athletes others are divas.  ;D

My Msi 1070 ti Titanium color edition runs great.

My current semi aggressive setting.  I haven't even dialed it in, just used your guys recommended start point.

tdp 75 percent
+200 core clock
+700 mem clock
= 500 sol/s equihash.

Stable for days,  I have not tried to plug in the monitor to it.  too scared it might start to artifact if I'm taxing the gpu more to render a screen as well as hashing.
My advice is to slightly go more conservative on the gpu that needs to render to monitor.


If I were to build a large farm I would go with 1070 ti all the way.  It's highly efficient.  It's the new standard. 1070 is phased out (older card, won't have a good resale value since everyone will want the 1070 ti, 1070ti overclocks better and runs cooler)

As much as I like my 1080 ti i feel they struggle dollar for dollar to keep up with the 1070ti.

For example, I go by the $1 dollar = 1 sol or higher
My 1080 ti at 75 tdp +125 core clock does 680 sols about. But the cards cost $700-750 (depending on deals)
My 1070 ti  at 75 tdp +200 core/700mem does 500 sols about.  Those cost only $460-480

The 1070 ti performs higher than 1 sol per dollar whereas the 1080 ti struggles to get 1 sol per dolllar spent.

Asus Strix A 1070 TI
I have been able to push it to 3.9 Sol/W but now looking most stable setup. It's 505-520 Sol. Best bang for the $ anyway. Because they run Wayyy!! cooler than Vega or 1080 TI no competition. You can dismiss cooling needs with these compared to Vega or 1080 Ti so clearly killer GPU for next 12 months. They outperform 1080 gddr5x easy.

bit OC tweaking and it's great

   GPU1 65C  Sol/s: 501.7  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 506.4  I/s: 270.9  Sh/s: 0.033
   GPU0 64C  Sol/s: 506.1  Sol/W: 3.62  Avg: 504.2  I/s: 271.4  Sh/s: 0.039
   GPU2 61C  Sol/s: 505.2  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 505.7  I/s: 269.2  Sh/s: 0.035  +
   GPU3 57C  Sol/s: 517.3  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 505.9  I/s: 270.9  Sh/s: 0.042
   ========= Sol/s: 2030.3 Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 2022.3 I/s: 1082.4 Sh/s: 0.149

And for the LONG run these can do 4.9 Sol/W underclocked if you think of running them 4 years. So their ROI + profit is clearly beyond xxx%
Build a rig and run it forever, win. Nothing beats their efficiency now for future 12 months. They run most efficient sol /w there is.

I wouldn't say they outperform 1080. They are good of course, but nothing special for equihash. I took this screenshot when I was testing one of my new 1080s, it was in a test rig and it's not even the best it could do (pushed it a bit further later on, although not very much):

http://i65.tinypic.com/23tiiqa.png

So 1070 Ti is just what it is, a good card between the regular 1070 and the 1080. For ETH and Neoscrypt it's great (although there were initially problems with the latter, not sure whether they were fixed). For everything else it's just fine.

A well dialed in 1080 can pretty close match a 1070 ti on efficiency - but it's also going to do about the same hashrate when it does so (WELL under 5% difference and commonly 1-2%) - which is NOT worth the ballpark 10% higher price on comparable models for no better efficiency and such a tiny gain on hashrate.

Yep I agree,  I got a 1080 msi gaming x for fun to test it against the 1070 ti msi gaming.  At around 75 tdp for both the 1080 only pushes 20 more  sol hashes more than the 1070 ti.  However, the price tag difference for 1080 msi gaming vs 1070 ti gaming was quite a big gap still for not much more hash power at efficient settings.

$460 after rebate
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-1070-TI-GAMING/dp/B076Q6GYKY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1511562480&sr=8-2&keywords=1070+ti++msi+gaming


$515 after rebate
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-1080-GAMING-8G/dp/B01GLYD7MG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1511562446&sr=8-3&keywords=1080+++msi+gaming

Why? There's ~ 5% difference in the amount of cuda cores between the cards, otherwise they're pretty much identical (if anything GDDR5X consumes a tiny bit less power than GDDR5). Why would 1070 Ti be somehow more efficient than 1080? What would be the reason for "WELL under 5% difference"?

Your results with 1080 bypasses mine with great distance. I had Asus Strix 1080 11gbps but I never get them hashing stable even 520 sols and they need 8 + 6 pci-e to power up. In conclusion I resulted selling them after 2 weeks of mining with 50$ loss to buy cheaper 1070 Ti which gave me very close same sols/w and with great potential. I feel the difference is within the gddr5x which is not suitable for mining. 1080 is still upheld price position greater to 1070 TI which is fine for gaming but for mining it makes no sense.

OFC if you hold older 1080 it's good to keep as you get very little benefit for swapping to 1070 TI ( like I did )

Like to point out 1080 FAN was always louder that 1070 TI with single pci-e 8 connector. It run way cooler the card.

GDDR5X is fine for equihash. And the type of memory installed is completely irrelevant for all the other algos except dagger and neoscrypt. The pricing issue is indeed the main culprit, but here's the thing: while in US GTX 1070s and 1070 Ti's are normally priced now, in many other countries — including the one I currently reside in — these cards are still overpriced. When the whole mining market exploded this summer and AMD Polaris cards were selling for $500, a lot of folks seemed to go after gtx 1070 cards as a substitute for ETH mining. Their price went up to $500-550 as well, but for some reason it never got down (same with 1080 Ti's, they're still $820+ here, with decent ones costing more than $900). 1080s, on the other hand, avoided the miners' attention for the most part, and their prices never went up so they're still at $550-600. So for me the choice is between regular 1070 for $500-530, 1070 ti for $550-600, or 1080 for $550-620. That's why I personally go for 1080. If I was in US and there was $100 difference between 1070 ti and 1080, I'd probably go with 1070 ti cards myself. Different prices on different markets result in different choices. :)

 For ZEC/clones, the GDDR5 vs GDDR5x issue appears to be insignificant. The latency issue does drop effective bandwidth a bit but not enough to be noticeable on most algorithms.

 I was talking about the HASHRATE being less than 5% and commonly 1-2% different when operating the cards at the same TDP/efficiency - which means that the 1080 cores are clocking a little lower since there are MORE OF THEM TO EAT POWER they have less power per core to work with and that puts a hair more of a power limit on their boost vs the 1070 ti.

 The REAL difference though, when operating both cards at their max efficiency range, is the PRICE - far bigger difference than the hashrate difference, so on a hash/$ basis the 1080 loses noticeably even if it can match the 1070 ti on hashrate and efficiency.


 If you can get a 1080 of a comparable model to a 1070 ti version for the same price or less, it makes sense to go with the 1080 - for resale value if NOTHING else.


 If you run the cards at the same TDP, and they are the same model (like Zotac mini versions of each, or EVGA SC, etc) the fans should end up running at the same speed and be the same noise level.


 

I can’t suggest to buy the Gigabyte Gaming G1 1070 Ti I personally find it gets much hotter than any other 1070 I owe (same pisition in the rig)
I have the feeling that the supposed to look cool back plate is not helping at all with the heat dispersion. Better go for another model if you have the choice!

 At this point, given how many issues I've had with Gigabyte cards the last 3 weeks, I can't recommend Gigabyte PERIOD (except perhaps the Aorus, jury is still out on those).

 3 cards with dead fans, 1 with *2* dead fans, and I've had *2* of the ITX cards just flat out DIE this past week.



 BTW - the "common" 1070 ti has a 29 watt higher TDP than a "common" 1070, why is it a supprise that it would run hotter?

The 1070 Ti has a higher TDP that is true but already few months ago I had a 1060 G1 gaming which ran much hotter than the other 1060 with the same hashrate. I sent it back after a few days should have known better. Now I will definitely stay away from the G1 models. Aorus is quite pricy never tried one - do you have any experience with it? Which card manufacturer was the most reliable for you?

The Aorus 1080 ti seems to be a good design (I have 2 of them) - Gigabyte didn't cheap out on the fans, they're real ball bearing designs - and the cooling is impressively good, though I suspect little or no better than any of the other "2.5 slot wide" cards.
 The cooler design is WAY overkill for a 1080 or 1070ti or below though.
 They definitely run better than my EVGA SC, MSI Turbo (blower model), or the Gigabyte Windforce I have in GTX 1080 ti cards at anything over about 80% TDP, and cool better across the board.

 IMO at this point the folks with the best cards for long-term mining use are Sapphire on the AMD side (they are my GO TO choice period for Team Red, VERY long lasting time at the top) and probably EVGA on the NVidia side.

 MSI looks nice on specs but in my very small sample size I've had mixed results on their designs (the Gaming X 1070 and 1080 models are crazy with their 240 watt default TDP but don't cool much if any better than the EVGA SC design, and their "Aero" ITX model has very poor cooling vs the Gigabyte ITX (but the Gigabyte has that JUNK FAN issue, and I've also had one just suddenly die on me a few days ago when the notorious F4 fuse blew - and it DID not come back up when I replaced the fuse).

 Zotac - I'm on the fence about at this point, can't find any definitely answer on if their fans are ball bearing or not, which makes me inclined to think NOT and therefore should be avoided.

I live in the tropics so it gets fairly hot and I do not use AC too cool my rig. The GPU's available were/are rather slim so I bought a Zotac 1080ti. I have to keep the fan on a 75 - 95% level to keep it in the 60-68c range. An Aorus became available so I bought one and these cards cool rather easily. I keep the fans on the Aorus at a far lower level and it cools very nicely. I have some Gigabyte 1070 G1 as well and they seem to cool very nicely as well. It's only been 3 months since I have acquired these cards so their longevity cannot be determined. I will not buy another Zotac even with the $65 difference with an Aorus.

Ewbf or dstm? Nice!

I’ve been trying to find more info on zotac too, they’re so readily available (oftentimes) at more reasonable prices than some of the other cards. I haven’t had any problems with them but they certainly don’t seem to match the quality of my evga for example

On this topic then...

What’s the best Nvidia rig build atm right now?

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately too, the 1080 ti rigs are also like a furnace!

Seems like the 1070 TI could be the champion(depending on algo) GPU of the home miner / also farms

Where do you reside? Come to the US with empty luggage bags and return home with your spoils of war :D

I have use various Gigabyte cards AMD and Nvidia  going back to 2012  BTC  back then and some LTC.

So  here goes  every Gigabyte  model sucked.  Other then the Gigabyte 1070 itx.

Maybe a Hd 6970  certainly  a hd 7950 and 7970.

And the aorus  1080 ti.

They all seemed to go rouge  max at 100% power and drop  the msi settings or the sapphire trixx.

the 1070 itx were all good.  around 5-7 of them.

Now back to the 1070ti

I finally got 8 for my 8 card rig I pulled the 1080 ti  and put in the 8th 1070 ti  and memory  will not adjust.  I can no longer go to 498-505 sols.

I put the 1080 ti back in and the 1070 ti's  will allow memory clocking this is on smos

smos does not have the right drivers for 1070 ti  as mine show as nvidia vga

not as 1070ti
all my other cards 1080ti 1080 1070 all show as that

https://i.imgur.com/aOnWS27.png

https://i.imgur.com/RfKmwcx.png

When you say that sucked

Lower hashrate?
Ran hotter?
Power consumption?
Build quality?
Cards dying?

I’m just curious, we should have a vote for worst card in 2017 as it comes to a close lol

They would drop settings and go to 100% power  thus overheating

In my opinion, 1080 exceeds 1070 by the price / hashrate. In the stock clock settings, 1080 shows the same results as the 1070th in the overclock. At the same price for the average 1080 and top 1070ti. My choice is more blunt power for the same price. :P

In my case, I've stopped even LOOKING at Gigabyte cards except the Aorus - way too many "dead fan" issues on cards at or a bit less than a year old, and had 2 of the ITX cards die on me last month.

 They really got cheap on their fans - you have to BREAK the things open to even fix them as they don't have "oil covers" in the back like MOST sleeve bearing designs do and they are held together by a "sonic welded" piece.

 I suspect I just found new long-term homes for the left-overs of the big batch of 92mm NMB Boxer fans I got at a hamfest years ago - which happen to soak the same .35 amps of the cheap Gigabyte fans, but I only need *2* of the NMBs for good cooling vs. 2 or 3 on the Windforce cards I have....


 BTW - I blame Voskcoin's video for NewEgg being out of the EVGA SC 1070 ti right now.

 8-P

It looks like the gtx 1070 will still be the king of the nvidia for mining until new volta gpu enter the scene.
1070ti is for the memory coine of the same speed as the 1070 ordinary, and for the gpu coins speed does not justify the difference in price.
If price of 1070ti go closer to 1070 then there is chance for 1070ti, for now nothing special.

Here's a relevant example;

In Australia, cheapest (in stock) cards;

1070 = $415 (Galax Katana)
1070ti = $503 (Galax Sniper)
1080 = $532 (Galax OR Zotac Mini)
1080ti = $760 (Galax EXOC)
Vega56 = $555 (Gigabyte)

Clearly the 1070 and 1080 are pretty good buys compared to the rest. What would you go for?
I'm thinking a 1080 build. Does the Zotac Mini perform ok?

Zotac Mini in the 1070ti or 1080 models (I don't have their 1070 mini and I have severe worry issues about cooling on the 1080 ti model) both work quite well - but I have no idea if the fans are ball-bearing so I'm not buying any more.

 1080 is a little marginal on cooling if you push it but better than the blower-type cards by a nose, I've never pushed the 1070 ti version but it should be a tossup on cooling with the 1080 model given the identical TDP.

Gigabyte Aorus 1080 Ti Extreme edition - they've worked well me.  They fit in 4U builds, hash rate is good, fans works well.  And you get a LED light show at night...

Only Gigabyte card I've ever used, but I like them.

I just saw a VoskCoin video where his 6 * Zotac 1080 mini manage 3,000 sols (500 sols each). Does this seem a bit low compared to a 1070ti?

Yes, I also suggested to go 1080 instead of 1070ti, 1070ti has no surprise in pricing and performance. Or maybe it is good to wait for P104-100, it should be available by this month.

I suspect the Extreme model is a waste of money on the Aorus - but I do have a few of the non-extreme 1080 ti models, one more on order, and I figure on ending up with about 5 of them in the medium term (one in my gaming machine, 4 to go with my EVGA SC 1080 ti and Gigabyte Windforce 1080 ti models in the B250 Pro short-term build).
 Good cards, BALL BEARING fans unlike the rest of the Gigabyte recent line, and very nice cooling.
 Even at best efficiency though, they're only about 4.1-4.2 range as opposed to the 1070 ti routinely exceeding 4.4 at best efficiency settings - works out a LITTLE closer at total system draw, but still loses by a bit.
 I am considering building a couple rigs with 2 of them and 2 1070 ti cards though, for use on the EVGA G2 850 power supply since it doesn't have as many connectors as the Seasonc X-850 or SS-860 but those power supplies are getting to be VERY hard to find and expen$ive.
 They'll still work well in my new "shelf-rack" setup as I can space the risers out more with 1 less card to split the space between - or I put 2 cards on the MB and only 2 on risers and place the MB between the PS and the 2 riser-mounted cards should also work, though it would be tighter.

 1080 even if you push the hash does not do 10% more than the 1070 ti - but it tends to COST 10% more.

 If you run them at their most efficient point, the 1080 is a waste - I've tested a few of them now and only the Zotac and EVGA SC models of the 1080 can match hashrate with my EVGA and Zotac 1070 ti cards - the Gigabytes are all 20-30 sol/s LOWER at their max efficiency point.
 1070 ti and 1080 ti max efficiency power point is pretty much identical in my testing - so for a MAX EFFICIENCY build the 1080 is a total waste of money vs the 1070 ti.

 500 sol/s out of a Zotac 1080 was running 70-75% TDP for good efficiency, NOT pushing for high hashrate - which he's mentioned he aims for with his limits on electric.


 Where is there any link to the P104-100 actually showing up at all?
 Last I heard it had died a quiet "nobody interested" death due to gouge pricing dying down.

So played around with one today. ROG Strix 1070ti with Micron memory.

http://i67.tinypic.com/16bbuzc.jpg

 You're running it around 125 watt level?

 Posting hashrates with no setting info is .... kinda useless.

Yeah sorry I dint have a wattmeter between at that moment and ment to edit it in a minute later but then life happened  ;D


System idle is 29W and mining is 150-151w so around 120w.

+699 memory
1847-1896mhz core with a custom curve.
70% power

Thanks for the videos and the good info, learned a lot from you when i was young grasshopper and did not understand mining at all.

Also possible - 490sols @ 95W / 4.95sol per W  ;)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ewf8d1.jpg

What to choose Asus Rog Strix 1070ti or Evga 1070ti SC?

 70% power on every 1070 ti model I am aware of is 126 watts.

 I'm good. 9-)

If the Strix uses ball bearing fans and is less expensive than the EVGA, I'd probably go with the Strix.

DSTM makes a big difference in pushing these numbers further



Speaking of my latest 1070 TI must have different memory than the one I had to sample because my latest batch is not performing as well

currently have it at 200 core 700 mem and 120 watts on DSTM pushing about 4 sols per watt

hahaha dont you put this on me xD

Anyone managed to take the settings further with even better results / esp on linux?

I was getting 520-530 @110watts and I'm unsure on settings due to it not being very stable, haven't tried with more power though. This was on the EVGA models.

Been busy trying to get SMOS working properly before pushing more. Currently at 500 avg on each of my 3 cards. So not sure if its worth squeezing any little bit more out. 

Have you had SMOS site say a rig was offline but the rig still be mining to pool fine? Mining ZEN on Suprnova.

At this point I'm waiting for mainstream Volta mid next year instead of buying more Pascal.

warren buffet eat my gfx card

 Probably card dependent, and seems to at least in part be mining software dependent.

 It DOES look like the best efficiency point on EBWF is at 104 watts not 106, but it's so close it could be an artifact of measurement limits.

 I tried pushing core and memory harder on one of my EVGA SC cards, but stability went bad very quickly above the +200 core and +700 memory settings (which was an unreported part of my original testing).
 That however might vary with the specific card and probably with the model of GPU.


 I'm not waiting, as I'm not convinced that the Volta versions of the 10xx series cards will be a LOT more efficient.
 10% probably, 20% maybe, 30% I'd bet against - we're still on the same process node, just "process improvements" and perhaps some additional minor optimisations to the designs are all we're likely to see - think of "RX 4xx vs RX 5xx" level changes being the most likely.

 Hint - "12nm" isn't a new node, it's enhancements to a current 16nm node process with a "new name" as strictly an ADVERTISING point.


 Samsung does seem to have some VERY small quantity of production happening on 10nm - but strictly for low-power devices like their smartphones at this point, and they're eating ALL of the output so far.
 Intel is supposed to FINALLY be shipping their first 10nm products next year - but the date keeps slipping.....

 Manufacturing efficiency for both is probably going to be VERY poor on anything they manage to ship at 10nm next year - it takes TIME to dial a new process in, and it seems to take longer every time a legitimate "shrink" happens TO get the new process dialed in.

To be honest I wouldn’t be sad if the Volta cards dont bring a huge jump in performance and efficiency as this would mean that the 10xx series remains relvant for another 2 years. Nobody with 15-20 cards plus will replace all of them with the new generation right away  as it would be super pricy.

Hello no they wont.  I have 60 6-7 card Nvidia 1070 / 1070ti rigs.  I'm not moving for a long time.

Okay @VoskCoin my wife was starting to hate you until I showed her the $100 every 2 days coming in!!!

I love your videos and appreciate you guiding the novice miner like me through the confusing world of alt coin madness.

I am now off to build a 8 x 1070TI SC rig. First 2 cards, 1600W T2 and Frame have been ordered!

This will compliment my 2  - 9 x 1060 3GB rigs and 1 x 8 1080 rig most likely I will be out of power taps in my garage!! :)

After following your videos and doing a lot of research I've invested in a beginner 6 card 1070 ti SC rig. Mainly due to high electricity costs. I'm looking forward to building the rig! Thanks for the great content.

Does it matter what brand?
Local seller has gigabyte 1070ti gaming.

Btw, great thread as far as this gpu goes. Can anyone share some 1070ti vs vega 56 thoughts?

I have been using the ASUS Strix brand and am very happy with the results. Below are two 6xGPU rigs. "Miner" is 6xAsus Strix GTX 1080s (5 are A8G and 1 is 08G) and "Miner1070TI" is 6xAsus Strix GTX 1070Tis (all are A8G). I have been able to get my 1070Tis running neck and neck with my 1080s. They use 20-25 less watts per card and run 7-9C cooler.


https://imgur.com/fEtA1aV

 I refuse to buy anything else Gigabyte other than POSSIBLY Aorus models, due to the junk fans they use.
 That SPECIFICALLY includes their "gaming" models.

 Anything that uses ball-bearing fans should be fine.


 Vega 56 right now, IF you can find them for anywhere near MSRP, are more profitable per $ due to their massive ability on Monero - but are a MUCH bigger nightmare to get set up and running at max hashrate, AND require the use of Windows 10 to do so at this time.
 However, at the current GOUGE pricing when you can find the cards (OR the 64) at all, they're at best a tossup with a 1070 ti rig on return for dollar invested, but a little better on return per watt used at current relative profitability levels for the cards IF both are run at efficient settings.
 

Hell I'd sell my 7 x Vegas for 1K each if i was not so lazy haha.  plenty of peeps out there that would buy them, its nuts

I ordered a MSI Gaming X 1070 Ti version now - there was a small rebate on them. Can't wait to get it as I only read good stuff about that model so far (my GB Gaming G1 has no outstanding performance whatsoever).

Hey mate any idea what I'm doing wrong? I've put 200 core 700 mem 120 watts on all 3 my Gagabyte 1070 TI's on SMOS but all three are hovering around 450 sols only?

In bitsbetripping Volta titan's testing on youtube, it does 6sols/w at the most efficient setting. Max overclocked was 900sols/s. Given that volta titan has 5120 cores, and 1070ti has 2432, it's about linear scaling in performance to cuda cores and 33% more efficient. Maybe the titan is less efficient compared to volta x70/x80 like how 1080ti is less efficient than 1070ti. Best case scenario it does 7 or 8 sols/w.


Very decent jump, but not worth the few months wait when rigs pay themselves back in 4 months.

I believe the 450 range is what they run out with stock settings. When I first started using SMOS a week ago it was almost like the OC settings I was putting in were not taking, then all of a sudden they started working. I was stuck around 440-450. Then I did a reboot for the who knows what time and it jumped to the 500-510 range on 200/750 if I'm not mistaken.

Personally I'm going to moving away from SMOS as I've had nothing but issues with little help on solving them. Just haven't researched nvOC enough to be comfortable with it. Currently I'm mining just fine with the SMOS installed however it says my rig is offline through their dashboard, which is cool, cause I'm just using their os without paying their fee right now since I cannot get much help from the dev.

Thank you, I rebooted the rig and reloaded the miner a couple times already but no difference. I'm also not using --pec, as I was trying to mimic what Vosk was doing to see if i could get similar results, still hovering around 450-460 weird enough.

I tried Hive it's got a lot of great features and the dev is actual much more responsive that smos' - wifi and new miner support is important, and new miner support on smos is nearly non existent. I've been waiting for Alexis78 for almost a year to no avail.

How long have you been using Hive? I've looked at that as well, it looks to be a nice OS.

Only have 1 rig on it - using it for a week now, it's not bad at all.

At the end of the day though I'm going back to windows. I see absolutely no reason to change - I have zero rig stability issues w/windows and now that ethmonitoring and minerstat offer bulk config/wallet updates windows just gives me much more flexibility that linux so that's that.

hey, my 1070ti is doing about 530 sol/s on PL 90 lelvel
they are palits duals, core is +150, mem is + 300
the trick here is to use mvidia inspector and turn P2 - off
that will allow you to get more hashrate

That's really impressive! I don't think I can run Nvidia inspector on SimpleMining OS though, can I?

Got 4 cards arriving today.

Not sure if I've posted in this thread... but I've bought almost all of my 1070 Ti cards from here:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/

If you watch daily and check the limits you can often find cards without QTY limits (or a fairly high limit)... I've snagged a few batches of 9 cards at once.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1369521-REG/zotac_zt_p10710c_10p_geforce_gtx_1070_ti.html

For example... limit of 11 pcs on this card right now.

I have to pickup my MSI Gaming X 1070 Ti from the post office tomorrow. What a waste to have it there one night in the box haha
I was quite impressed by the results people posted here - will report back tomorrow!

I've ordered things from B&H before.  Good US based company.  No sales tax for me.  Wish my six Vega 56's that have been on backorder since Nov 29th would ship.  Ordered a few EVGA SC 1070ti's from Amazon and a few from B&H today.  None of them are in stock though.  Who knows how long of a wait it will be for those.  I only have one six gpu vega 56 rig running right now ... Need more rigs!

Thanks for all of your videos Vosk!  You've been a big help over the past couple of months.

B&H Photo has been around for decades - I think I've bought electronics from them WAY back in the day.

 I keep forgetting they added computer hardware to their selection.

 Do they take Bitcoin?

I don't think they do.  I haven't noticed it as a payment option anywhere on their site.

Just plugged it in and had some issues at the start. The MSI Gaming X 1070 Ti is only recognised if you add the 8+6 PIN power connectors (opposed to the GB Gaming G1 Version).

Just ran some quick tests on Nist5 Algorithm and it hashed 2 MH/s more than the GB version with the same core clock and both cards pulling around 135W. So yes - not disappointed with it and keeping in mind that the fans on the MSI should last much longer I will only go for these cards in the future.

Good to know.  I have some EVGA FTW2 1070ti's coming on Friday ... (Hopefully) ... They are supposed to ship today.  I had some ZOTAC's on backorder and ended up cancelling those.  This will be my first NVIDIA rig build.

hopefully they rock! Our FTW2s have been our best 1070 TI, much better than the recent zotac 1070 TI mini's -- the ftw2 hashing 30-35 sols more w/ the same settings. The original zotac 1070 TI bought for testing performed well too though . . i sold that one xD

how is it performing?

hmmm my results are a little better on DSTM vs EWBF

https://youtu.be/oPX864SOUPE
https://i.imgur.com/Q5H0rFkm.png

I messed around with my latest zotac 1070 ti mini's for awhile and I never really got them above 4.3 sols/watt -- im no OC guru though / I'm at
175 core 700 memory and 110 watts on DSTM


Like your input and mindset here + by the time the new cards roll out I imagine everyone buying now could have made their money back lol so why wait :D

I am getting about the same sol/watt as Vosk on all of my Zotac 1070ti AMP editions running DSTM (+200 core / +700 mem / 115w)(Micron memory). They have been running stable since I put this rig together. I have one more open slot on this rig I am debating on trying an EVGA card this time.

Hey Vosk,

I have my power down to 160W per card.  That's total power at the wall 960W divided by 6.  Power limit is set at 70%.  Core clock +200 and memory clock +700 on these FTW2's.  Averaging 525 sol/s per card.  When power was at 180W (80% limit in afterburner), I was getting a few more sol/s on each card.  I've never overclocked a gpu in my life, so this is making me slightly nervous ... Lol.  I'm not sure if I should keep going or not.  What do you have your FTW2's at?

Another question ... 3 of my FTW2's only have one fan running and I'm not sure why.  Any ideas?  I have my fan speed set to 80% in afterburner.  It's the back fan that's not running on all 3.

And there's more ...

I just set my fan speed to auto, and then back to 80% ... Now the only card with the back fan not running is the card on the end of my open air frame.  60 seconds later ... I have 3 back fans not running, but they aren't the same 3 cards as the first time.  Lol ... This is weird.  Do they not run constantly?  They'll just turn on when a certain temp is hit?

My FTW2 Hold about 500-505 Sol's each at +200 core and +750 mem. Watts are 110 per card, fan set minimum 50%, and target temp of 70C. They stay around 60-65C.

Also, I'm pretty sure only one fan will run if temp is not high enough to justify both running. Right now my three are siting at 59C 62C and 60C, only one has the second fan running. My guess is that it's the one at 62C. And as I type this my middle ones second fan kicked on. So don't worry about the fan not working if you have one working.


EDIT: I would try to get down to a lower watt setting. While an extra 25 Sol/s per card seems nice, it's only netting about .10 more a day after power consumption, .25 before.

When you're calculating 110w per card, is that with everything else factored in and measuring power consumption at the wall?

It's looking like in order to keep myself right at 500 sol/s, I'm using 135W per card at the wall.  That's with +200 core clock and +750 memory clock.  I cut the fans back to 50%.  All my temps are still below 60c.

This thing is a hell of a lot quieter and cooler than my vega rig mining etn.

 You missed ZEC almost tripling in price over the 2-3 weeks after your post.

 8-P

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 69% power limit set in Afterburner is 124 watts - something funky going on there.

 Probably the same sort of thing I've seen on "short efficiency spikes" in EBWF where it will report one card at way low power draw but normal hashrate - momentary down spike on power JUST as EBWF looked at it.

 110 watts as set as the power limit under Linux using Nvidia-settings, or reported by nvidia-smi in either Linux or Windows (or calculated from the %TDP setting in something like Afterburner).

 At the wall will vary more due to power supply efficiency curves.

Nice project! Good choices

Oh well in that case, I guess I'm way lower than I think.

How do you adjust the power limit as a percentage, I'm using simple mining os and the only power limit options I have myself are the actual wattage draw.  Do I just run these at maximum and then backwardsly work out the percentage ?

So it looks like the price of the 1070s is the same price as 1070 Ti.  Is there any more that's better than the others or any that I should just avoid?

Thank you! Thank you!  nvidia-smi is showing 107W-110W on each gpu.

Read through this entire thread and there is another 1070ti thread that I've been watching too.  From what I have gathered, the fans are not up to par on the Gigabyte 1070ti's and I'm also staying away from the Zotac cards.  Vosk has some Zotac rigs running, but I think he said that they were not performing as well as others that he has tested.  That may just be the mini's ... Can't remember.  There is also some question about the fans in the Zotac cards.  That could also just be the mini's.  Not 100% certain.  But seriously read through these threads.  There is a wealth of information on 1070ti's.

QuintLeo broke the wattage down in another 1070ti thread,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2324651.20


As of today I am running 9 GTX 1070ti off of one EVGA 1600 T2 power supply, so my settings in simple miner are as follows,

Core
200,200,200,200,200,200,200,200,200
Memory   
700,700,700,700,700,700,700,700,700
Power Limit
136,136,136,136,136,136,136,136,136    with everything mining away, no monitor or keyboard / mouse attached, I am drawing 1,365 Watts at the wall,

getting around
========== Sol/s: 4548.0 Sol/W: 3.72 Avg: 4536.2 I/s: 2425.8 Sh: 49.35 1.00 209

 The one Zotac Mini model of the 1070 ti for me performed identically to my EVGA SC models, except it runs a little warmer due to the smaller cooling setup.
 I'm not buying more though due to the "sleeve bearing fan" issue - same reason I refuse to buy any more Gigabyte cards except PERHAPS the Aorus.

 The Amp Extreme line from Zotac, like the Aorus line from Gigabyte, does specify "ball bearing" fans - my issue with those is that the power connector setup makes powering multi-cards a lot tougher.

Rookie observation and question here.

I have been running SMOS with 5 Zotac 1070ti AMP editions (Micron). Today I loaded up windows 10 (1703)(Afterburner)(Nvidia driver 388.71) and ran DSTM and noticed that I was getting about +.2-.4 sol/w difference then I get in SMOS with the same setings. +200core / +700mem / 110w.
In SMOS I am seeing 4.29 to 4.37 sol/w.
In windows I was seeing 4.4 to 4.7 sol/w.

Is it normal to see a performance difference between OS's? Drivers? I was always taught if your going to drive it you need to know how it works, how to fix it and most of all how to make it go faster  ;D

Doesn't SMOS use EBWF not DSTM?

Simpleminer-NV-v1118-kernel4.11.12-nvidia384.59-noaer has both DSTM v0.5.6 and EWBF-0.3.4b available for use. I was using the latest BBT's Multu-Miner on windows.

guys im going to make my 2do mining righ, i want to use 5 1070ti x5 but i would like to know what will be the best 1070ti?

my rig so far will have,

board: pro btc +
processor:  Intel Pentium G4600 3.6 LGA 1151 GHz Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80677G4600

havent pick the ram also or the risers.

have this rissers ready to bought.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Z754LT/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B074Z754LT&pd_rd_wg=u0WaI&pd_rd_r=S3C3SMM0T7658CJHBAP4&pd_rd_w=jJZnr

thx for your advice.

If you stay away from Gigabyte and the Zotac Mini's, you'll be in better shape in the long run.  I'm running EVGA FTW2's getting 500 sol/s on each card at 110W.

FTW should be good cards, but the dual power connector makes them harder to deal with in a multi-card rig.

Gotta wonder if EVGA knows why the SC model is such a big hit.....

What do you think about the splitters that are out there?  I have some coming next week to try out on my rigs with FTW cards.  Do you have any rigs running with them?  I'm curious to know how they hold up in the long term.  I'm also curious to know how the 8-pin to dual 8-pin authentic evga cables (that we discussed in another thread) that came with my 1000W GQ's do in the long term.  And I'm curious to know how my GQ's do in the long term based on what you said in that other thread.  I like EVGA as a brand that I feel like puts out quality products, so I would never think twice about using a cable they made that is 8-pin to dual 8-pin.  I am always skeptical about all of the others.

It's all so much fun though ... In the end, I want every rig that I build to run 24/7/365 without a single issue.  Lol ... That will never happen, but trying and testing and gaining knowledge has so much value, that just makes this stuff fun, in my opinion. 

 I don't need splitters on any of my rigs, and I don't see much probability that I'll be using them in the forseeable future.

 I DO have a "2 6-pin to 8-pin" adapter in use on one of my older non-mining rigs, as it has an older PS that didn't have any 8-pin adapters on it but had a pair of 6.
 Been reliable for a couple-three years now, but it's also not exactly stressed running a GTX 960.

 Now that I know what you're talking about, I'm going to point out that those EVGA cables aren't "splitters" as such, they're the original power supply cables for that model of PS - and likely are NOT the same pinout on the input as a PCI-E 8-pin power connector.
 I'd give odds in favor of there being *4* +12VDC pins in use on the "input" end, not the 3 of the PCI-E spec - might possibly be 3 +12VDC pins and a sense line on one side though, where PCI-E uses 3 lines on one side for +12VDC and the 4'th for a spare (and excessively redundant) ground.

Hi dudes,

i will get three ROG-STRIX-GTX1070TI in couple Days

i almost had to sell my soul for this huge investment..because of Vosc Coin Channel  its debt pay of time now.

also my GF looks at me with that rlly not ok looking face.. ( damn.. please help me out guys )

currently i run a 970 with awesome miner i tried profit switching and tried only Zcoin(1,03mh/s) and only Zcash(285H/s) (@ mining pool hub )-> i had to shut it down -> i was able to get only 1,50$ per day with that card or lower.. whole system draws 145 Watts from the wall ( card draws 93 w  ccminer lyra2z)
How in Earth do they get 2,70$ when using recently hacked nicehash estimator https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/nvidia-gtx-970?e=0.25&currency=USD

Do you guys get around 4$ per card per day
as recently hacked nicehash claims to get ??->  https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/nvidia-gtx-1070-ti?e=0.1&currency=USD

Why is profit switching so darn not doin any profit?
do i really have to abandon my 970?

Back in the day´s i played games but now i can't due to 100% gpu load :D - so be it.

how can i reduce my system wattage of 65 watts further ( no hdd's, 2500k @ 1600 ghz two ram sticks.. ) is this old tech pulling that kind of wattage?
i have a Watt meter connected.

i am scared to be stuck around 2-3$ income per 1070 ti card i pay 0.25 cents per kwh so i am really looking at the efficiency 110W setting if i can manage to get it stable
how much are u getting out of this card and bloddy how?
any general thoughts?


regards

Marco

Well ... If I sell my ZEC when it's at a price that can translate into $4 per card per day, I will have made $4 per card per day.  You're electricity is pretty expensive.  Mine is 0.10 cents per kwh.  As far as getting them down to 110W, I tweaked the core clock, memory clock, and power  settings with afterburner.  If you're using a watt meter at the wall, it's going to appear to be around 130-135W per card with the motherboard factored in.  The 110W figure is coming from the nvidia smi tool.  You can run it from the command line.  It's in C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI.

 Mining ZEC directly via Flypool I'm currently pulling in about $3.75 a day gross on my 1070 ti cards - that is set for around 105 watts on each and pulling 460 sol/s ballpark, +200 core +700 memory on mostly EVGA SC modela and one Zotac Mini.
 The ASUS ROG Strix should be able to match those figures - my only issue with that model is that it doesn't appear to have ball bearing fans (same reason I won't buy any more Zotac mini models).

 At your power cost, that might be the highest-profit setting, though you might be able to get a LITTLE more net profit if you bump your cards up into the 110-120 watt range - efficiency drops but not a LOT, and the additional hashrate might be enough to cover the additional power cost.

 I don't push my cards any harder as I'm starting to run into limits of my infrastructure, NOT because my electric rate is high (it's very LOW).

 GTX 970 is a much lower performance card - if you're managing anything close to $1.50/day gross out of it you're doing good.
 The Nicehash estimator does NOT limit itself to 1 or 2 coins - odds are it was figuring a GTX 970 was more profitable on something like Lyra2rev2 (which often does well on the GTX 9xx generation cards).

 Gotminer's point about "at the wall" draw vs "card" draw is a good one.
 One of the reasons many-card riser rigs are popular is that they REDUCE the overhead power consumption and COST of "the rest of the system" on a per-GPU basis quite a bit vs running 3 or 4 card "no riser" setups - and the riser rigs are a LOT easier to get good cooling to the GPUs.

Just wanted to throw my .02 in. Running 6 Asus Rog 1070Ti gpus with the power limit of 130 and a core +200 and mem +700 and getting 500 Sol/s each with Equihash. Running straight Ubuntu with DSTM miner.

Great card. My facility is cool so they all stay under 60C at 25% fan. Can't even hear them running. Got two more on the way to make it an 8 Gpu rig.

Just some random example of shitcoin profits, no sol/s.

https://www.crypto-coinz.net/crypto-calculator/

Thank you for this post. I want to buy a mining rig and I think I am decided now which gpu to buy. Happy New Year! Continue the work.

thx for all the help

i use my 970 to Benchmark the income rates right now..
i get 0.2 mBTC with nichHashminer but i think you will get fucked up with all that transaction costs and fees in the long run
trying MiningPoolHub once again with just two algos (Lyra2z and Equihash) getting payed in ETH pool fee is 0,9 and transaction fee is 0.62$

I am very sad that the Strix has got cheap fans (i always thought Strix is sort of premium) but i hope/think they wont be like the super garbage ones.

Running them at a fraction of full speed (40% maybe) with the most power efficient setting might help to prolong the fan's life

Damn now i see the interest in the EVGA cards but they start around 500€ per Card here in Germany.

thx for mentioning that https://www.crypto-coinz.net/crypto-calculator/ site!! I will watch this as you could get a super fast ROR with mining CrapCoins i always like to say NicolasCageCoins (:

Overhead wattage of a trio system might be 40/3 =13,3 W per card so i end up in the 120-130 W per card range
i heard parts have greater availability (better prices) and trio rig runs more stable (without leaving any gpu on idle) and i feel more flexible as i could expand easily no frame and risers needed in the beginning.

I could run three Strix ones now with my hx750i Power supply and add three more ( or ampere cards ) later with three risers and another 750 W PSU this is mostly due to my restricted budget of 1.5k € at the moment

Thanks for helping me out dudes - im so glad i joined back in the scene.. back in the days we had couple GPU's on BTC goin on but we kind of used that stuff to buy "special" stuff on the web.. damn the usecase was so different :)

regards

Stability of a non-riser trio rig can be a bit better - fewer parts to go bad - but COOLING of the middle card in such a rig is a major problem.
You can work around that somewhat by using a "shorty" card as the third card, like a Zotac mini or the Gigabyte ITX models, but then you get to deal with the junk fans on the shorty cards (EVGA makes short cards with good fans but I don't think they go above a 1060 on them).

 I built quite a few such rigs during my Folding days, as Folding@Home needs a lot of CPU support and a lot of PCI-E bandwidth to get good PPD (hashrate) out of the cards so riser rigs were NOT a viable option.
 In theory, RIBBON-type x16 risers would have worked, but those tend to be a NIGHTMARE to work with and also tend to be very short.

dude you are so right

card's so hot i need a LD

damn just ordered some risers!

Gotta love my 1070 ti!

Hello Guys!

Zotac 1070 Ti mini can reach 520 sols without taking fire? How many ºC and fan speed to get 5xx sols? ;D Im have no problem with power and i will use for gaming a mining, i wanna build another rig only for mining. (i have a SFF - CM Elite 110)

Many Thanks!

Zotac 1070 ti mini should get close to 500 or a hair over at 70% TDP (124 watts), and they should be able to stay fairly cool at that power level - same as the EVGA SC 1070 ti but will run a couple of degrees warmer due to the inferior cooling setup.

Hello QuintLeo,

Thanks for the information! Here in Brazil all cards are too expensive. 1080 Ti costs over 1100 USD :(
I will try this Zotac with 2 years Warranty.

Cheers Mate!

happy new years my friend and good luck!

wish I could get more T_T

little late but dstm 5.7 is also now supported on smOS which is running stable w/ my 12 cards!

Just my Opinion but I still prefer 1080tis over 1070tis , Cause I prefer density over everything
Anyways with the Next generation coming anytime soon it is to hasty to buy any card right now
But Yeah I am pretty Impressed with The efficency on this one , Nvidia sure knows how to make the best gpus
If We could only do custom straps for nvidia it would have been unbeatable.

Good luck buying anything right now.  You are SOL unless you have a jar of lube handy and an ebay account.

well, I have both and geforce 1080ti and geforce 1070 - and I can say that 1070ti is a decent card for the money it costed
but its big brother is better in some algos, but if your plan is to mine dagger-hashimoto and equihash - then gtx 1070ti the best for you, take it!

Hmm, prices being as they are how much more should you have to pay for 1070 Ti vs 1070 for it being worth it?

I just started watching your Youtube videos. They are very informative and I'm learning a lot. Thanks.

Not exactly true ... I bought six 1070ti's on the on Dec 19th for $500 each ... six more 1070ti's on Dec 26th for $500 each ... And six 1080ti's on Jan 8th for $820 each.

You just have to check with all of the big name suppliers multiple times a day ... Use notifications, because once they are out there, they are gone in less than an hour.  That has been my experience on the three orders I mentioned above anyway.

Asus Strix 1070Ti has better sol/watt than Evga 1070TI SC BE or not?

Probably the same, but don't have a Strix to test with.

I would say IN THEORY it might show a hair higher if you push it to max TDP due to slightly better cooling, but can't say FOR FACT if that is the case - and if mining for efficiency the cooling isn't enough of a factor to matter on ANY of the cards I have worked with, even the Zotac Mini.

Great stuff Vosk, i'v been watching your vid for quit some time now. loved the 1050ti rig, i might build one myself since all other cards are constantly out of stock

@VoskCoin, thank you a lot for all info. I've been wondering what is difference between 1070 and 1070 with same sol/w (about 3.6). Can't find such comparison though...

QuintLeo,
Have you what OC settings are you running on your 1070ti rig? I am following your original posted settings of 108w/+200 core/+700 mem. I am getting 4.4 Sol/w avg. on DSTM 5.7 in SMOS.

 Original post was actually 106 watts - all of my 1070 ti cards right now are set in the 104-106 range to allow the rig to hit my "6 amp draw" target.
 Anywhere from 100 to 110 watts has given very similar efficiency, though 104 *seems* to be the sweet spot by a hair.

 +200 +700 has stood up so far as "best" for the clock settings - higher = unstable rig, lower loses a little hashrate.

 Keep in mind that my sample size is still pretty small - a few EVGA SC models and one Zotec Mini, though I DID just get a MSI Turbo card in that will be going into my next "rig rebuild" project probably tomorrow.

 To be picky, none of my rigs at this point are "pure" 1070 ti rigs - I've been converting existing rigs and using those cards IN ADDITION TO the small number of 1070 ti cards I've been able to get to date (just managed to sneak in an order for an ASUS blower card in on Newegg today).


(edit)
 make that +200 +1400 for LINUX usage, recent testing has shown that LINUX works with "effective" clock rates on memory where Afterburner works with "base" clock rates.
 Still don't have any "pure" 1070 ti rigs yet, but I'm getting closer as I work through my "reconfigure" project.

I have 5 Zotac 1070ti AMP editions running since thanksgiving. One of these days I will get the last 1070ti for this rig. I have my eyes on the MSI Titainium 1070ti's for my new rig.

do you mean 1070 and 1070 ti?

I found ~.5 sols per watt and 50 sols overall performance obviously varies a lot but if I had to pick an "average"

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