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You should post the entire log of that conversation. It is far more convincing.

Was this on the shoutbox? and what are the '...'s?

Done! Thanks, k9. (can I call you k9?  ;D)

No, that confirms that you're an idiot.  It also confirms there is an "edit shout" button in the shoutbox.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand simple concepts like an "edit" button or anything, since advanced concepts like general understanding of the world around you are so far beyond you as to be laughable.  By all means, continue to show what a moron you are.

 So you are able to figuratively shove your hand up other people's asses on the shoutbox and make them say whatever you want ?

Really? An edit shout button? The button you supposedly didn't know existed until after you had to explain your sock puppetry?
First a 2 month delay in Monarch 3 days after you announce it, then you get caught with a sock puppet.

you should be happy that you are still not arrested for fraud instead of bitching to other forum members.

And why is that?  No fraud has been committed, so why would there be arrests made?  Your little fantasy land doesn't apply to reality, sorry.

 *mumbles something about revisiting this thread 27 days from now*

Out of curiosity, what would you consider 'fraud'... or what is your definition of fraud?   Sometimes people on here seem to have their own interpretations, just curious what yours is.


I am going based off of:

Definition(s) of fraud:
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=785
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud



EDIT: There are plenty of accusations that scream 'fraud'... not sure what is provable at this point, but if there is fraud being committed, it will be 'fully' proven soon enough.

Starts the "Free Inaba® Fund" (FIF)

Someone want to donate to free this future jail bird?

Disclosure, it will take at least 10,000 BTC to buy him a get out of jail free card.
Disclosure2, I have taken it upon myself to spray him down with justice repellent. Don't worry, they won't get him that easy.  ;D
Disclosure3, Inaba is innocent until proven guilty (by reasonable doubt). Unless Obama calls him a "financial terrorist".

I'll let my lawyer be the judge of that.  He likes the reality version of reality, not yours.

Makes you wonder what Judge Judy would say if Inaba were in her courtroom?

What would Judge Wagner say about the whole BFL escapade?

That definition looks about right.  Angry little monkies like PL, PG, K9, etc... might like you to believe that's happened, but as of yet they've not shown a shred of proof to back up their claims.  Most everyone has given up on them ever providing proof, since none exists, so we are just left with a giant circle jerk of the anti-BFL crowd patting each other on the backs in every thread about how awesome they are and how they are doing a service to the community, while everyone basically ignores what they have to say.  

So, unless you've got some proof fraud has been committed, you should probably move along.  However, if you do have some proof, by all means send it to someone who cares, like the police or something.  If the scale of fraud and illegal acts PG, PL, K9, etc... would have you believe were actually true, don't you think some governmental agency would have contacted us by now?   Occams razor would seem to dictate that PG and crew are liars, since all their claims of fraud have gone unanswered by the people who actually know what fraud is.

I'm sure your lawyer is having a good time with Xians', laughing at you guys while they take your money and whisper soothing words in your ear.

 Say what you will, but I can't speak highly enough of Nesenoff & Miltenberg, and my attorney.

 I felt really good and slept like a baby at night while they "took my money". True story. I've actually given them more business, and will continue to do so in matters not relating to my dispute with you.

 I'm terribly sorry my narrative does not fit with your reality :(

I am an Inaba supporter!

Inaba does nothing wrong. He is simply misunderstood. He is only the face of a company that took in millions in June 23rd 2012, and started delivery in April 1, 2013. Then a couple of delays happen, people got confused because they dunk their heads in the toilet all the time, and now BFL customers are just "angry" for no good reason.

Tell them Josh, they are angry for no good reason. Go on, say it. You know you are above board in every single aspect of BFL.

------------------

STUPID BFL customer! If you cocksuckers are reading this it is because you want you money back. Well, you know what? BFL did everything right, and NO, you cannot get your money back. PERIOD.

So hurry up and wait until December or February.

This is what it is like to buy from a reputable asic company that does everything above board.

(MASTER BFL PAID Shill)

Notice how Josh/Inaba completely dodges the question of why they are selling November/December 2013 to their investors when they have already admitted the product will not realistically ship until January of 2014.

He also dodged the question of what changed in the last 3 days that caused a 2 month delay?

Sockpuppets gotta sock?

Actually it looks like it is february. Go look in the other threads.

3 days and already a 3 month delay?
Even I never expected the surprise sex to be this swift and this brazen.

 To be fair, he get's paid to dodge questions. To do otherwise would cause his reality to collapse on itself in a singularity of hubris, arrogance, and ignorance.

can you refund customers? no
can you ship ordered product to them? no (they are waiting months like idiots)

so simple..

You should see the type of dodging they do in congress when questioned about a specific matter.

Would make Josh look like a sitting duck.

What Inaba should say is that the first sample units will be available in November and possibly through December. As they refine the product they will ship en masse through to January and February.

Therefore all customers will get their units within this time frame. They should expect an early delivery. (without defining what "early means" ;) )

---------------------

See? You don't see that class of Bullshit coming out of Inaba. They paid for a rookie, they get a rookie.

Don't you have units to ship instead of reading this forum all the time?

GG for ~30 min reply!

Ah, I see. They advertise November 2013, but can't know realistically ship until February 2014.
4 months of lost revenue in 3 days time. That is epic even for BFL.

If K9 were paid,

He would ask:

What is the ROI like in February 2014?
(Yikes, don't do that!)

This.

So fraud.

Is that right?   ;D  ;D

My first contact with small businesses, dysfunctional, scamming, and cons, was with an SBIC in late 1980's.  Seen a lot, but never, ever, the kind of crap this marketplace allows promoters to pull off.  

It's endlessly fascinating.  Hard to change this channel.

That is actually just outside my model. I don't project any further than 6 months ahead. Also, the probability that BFL will actually ship by February is very small given that just 3 days after announcing, they had to delay the product delivery from November 2013 to February 2014.

I can't fucking believe. Why "Inaba" isn't banned already for scamming people around here for continuous things like "Two more weeks (TM)" and insulting people that are his customers ? Delivering  ASICs after a year? Talking shit on his customers? I mean c'mon! A company in real world would fire him shortly. It means that BFL is a joke. Why you people can't skip BFL? They are shit. Those are facts. You will never see a ROI with their delivery time unless you find an idiot who pays for you pre-order or pays too much for a device in hand if you are lucky enough to be first in a queue.

NEVER BUY FROM BFL. PERIOD.

hold on hold on.

3 days = 3 months of delay

if "the end of the year" is (...or was) the scheduled shipping date, it will be pushed back at least 90 days.

90 days = 90 months.

BFL monarch will be shipped out in 2020.

huh, that sounds kinda right.

A: Because he's given too much advertising revenue to the forum administrators.

because he paid theymos with sweet bitcoins.

Or because truth tellers never get incarcerated. They just plea to a lesser charge and snitch. (<-- epic bait for PG)

Then, whatever you do, don't ask for information on how do they even know that the samples will prove to be worthwhile.

Facts: Tapeout in August 2013. Right?
Facts: Low nm parts usually have more layers than high nm parts. Avalon @ 110nm had 29 layers, BFL's 65nm parts had many more. (Each layer takes about 1 day to deposit...hence, the long turn around times)


Question: If BFL is using a 28nm part for Gen2, then how many days does it take for the samples to go through various stages of packaging to figure out if they need to make corrections to the first batch? (Clock buffers anyone?)

If a 28nm part probably takes 90 days....then is BFL betting on November/December being right the first time? Did they really learn from their mistakes?

Does anyone see where I am going with this?

Interesting that Josh would give the accusation this much attention, how many posts is that of his in this thread?

From August + 90 days = November 2013 (what a coincidence!)

From November + 90 days = February 2014 (Uh Oh. Does anyone see the coincidences?)

Whats the story that you folks can infer from this?

http://i41.tinypic.com/30wl002.png

Because of all of this shit I'm getting close to start a flaming BFL thread which (I hope so) would prevent potencional customers from buying from bfl and losing their money. We should have sticked thread about that. Even people from this forum are considering purchase from this joke-company of their new "monarch" delivery-scam-product. Imagine how many are not related with this community and willing to buy like white sheeps. Scam with white glovers, BFL's speciality. Still can't fucking believe.

True and most of it seemed to be concerned with proof of fraud or attorneys. He knows or is worried about what's coming. I threw a quick message out in the shoutbox yesterday asking who might be intertested in launching a class action action against BFL, sort of a tentative feeler: banned for trolling within 2 minutes. I also tried to start a thread about it as well: never got published. Anyway, I'll just wait for word back from attorneys and see what happens.

Inaba didn't adequately explain this.
Instead he chased the tires of the fraud-mobile.

LOL I saw you there, after they banned you Josh (in typical style) called said you were Fukt from "bitcointroll".
 
I should have never trusted Inaba, such a douche bag-hitler

Ooo look, the little trolls are are riled up.  Awesome :)

The waaambulance is busy today!

 The fact that you find perverse pleasure in this, while continually skirting legitimate questions and concerns, while putting on a sock-puppet-show, should illustrate to your prospective customers everything they need to know about why not to deal with Butterfly Labs.

 Tick tock.

http://sockpuppettheatre.com/video/trolling-101/

Have you seen his current bids, 11BTC, why so desperate to advertise to a forum of mounmental assholes josh ?

Free ad to help you out in my sig. Your welcome :)

Pirateat40 thought he got away with his fraud too.  ;)

Order a Monarch today and BFL will tell you it will arrive in Nov of 2013.
As soon as BFL gets your money, they tell you Feb 2014.  ;D ;D ;D

and take away the "lifetime" warranty too. Only after payment rec'd  :D

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4430-lifetime-warranty-expires-65nm-parts-once-monarch-ships.html

No, he's having a good time watching you self-incriminate.

I just hate it when Bloomberg lies to us: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-12/n-y-regulator-subpoenas-firms-over-bitcoin-crime-risks.html


Moreover, you lying piece of shit, for I just happened to have first-hand knowledge that at least two governmental agency have contacted BF Labs Inc., hence further exposing everything I possibly can about BFL so that others are not hurt financially.

And if you are going to reply to this post, make sure you include a statement about the FCC certification process you promised us over 10 months ago, along with telling us who was the Sonny K. guy you first met at Butterfly Labs.

Yeah real stand up guy. Doesn't care that he mines bitcoins, no conflict there. I just figured he wasn't buying a monarch because they wont ever exist.

[11:15 PM]   jmanjes : Josh how many monarchs are you buying?
[11:15 PM]   RockyRacoon : Is there an expected date on which all "backorders" will be fulfilled?
[11:15 PM]   John Dow : 51%
[11:15 PM]   BFL_Josh : None personally... too much conflict of interest.

I'll tell you what, Josh. If I were in front of you right now, I would stick a broomstick up your ass.

You don't have the motherfuckin' right to say to anybody that something has gone unanswered, you cocksucker!

FCC?

SONNY K.?

Josh has written so many posts accusing people of being:

- Trolls
- Liars
- Sock Puppets
- Stupid

The supreme irony that he's guily of being a stupid, lying, trolling sock puppeteer is, well, let's say superlatives can't do it justice.

I'm the only here that has offered up being sued by BF Labs Inc., but since my stance on calling them a fraud is factual, they opted not to sue me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255830.0

I want to feel bad for BFL customers, but at this point they knew what they were signing up for. Fools, money.

I wonder what rigs he uses while his customers wait empty handed.

Meanwhile... on Google...

https://i.imgur.com/AULzhQN.png

I think I need to put even MOAR keywords in the yutube description. didn't we have a bunch already in another thread. EDIT: Found it. I'll add this to the description.

 I just can't stop giggling that it's Godwin'd on the first page of Google results.

 Brilliant work.

There are mountains of evidence.


Buckle your seat belt.


"Dear Mr. Benjamin Lawsky, New York State Department of Financial Services..."

There is more than a grain of truth to the old saying "the wheels of justice turn slowly, but they do grind exceedingly fine."



I understand your boss is a something of a domain expert on fraud.

PS: WTF? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webspawner+lottery

LOL, read the comments. Its a lot different to the comments on their moderated youtube production video.

Thanks. I'll offer to take it down when I deem their customer satisfaction level high enough. And I swear someone on these boards said they were sucking a dick as well.

Hey, lying cocksucker! Answer the direct question about your sockpuppet customer service guy. When you're done, address the FCC and Sonny K. concerns, you piece of shit.

You heard it here first, Judge. The man says it is awesome. I see no signs of emotional or mental distress. This indicates his claims are patently false.

Does he write like he is emotionally affected by any of this, Judge? Well, there you go. I would even go as far as to say he is encouraging the engagements and behavior, Judge.

Congrats on achieving an F. Few companies are able to achieve such a great rating. Well done!

https://i.imgur.com/73soyI4.png

Here is the link to that:
http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/business-reviews/electronic-equipment-and-supplies-wholesale-and-manufacturers/bf-labs-inc-in-overland-park-ks-1000002011

If you have or had a problem with BFL, let the BBB know.  ;D

If Mouth-Full-Of Earth is a Josh sockpuppet, he is literally the greatest long conman in history, IMO.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/search.php?searchid=318345

I think Madoff was way better. Bernie would never have screwed up in the shoutbox like Josh did.

Then he tried to cover it up with a lie. When questioned about it, he disappears. Now, each and every montherfuckin' time he appears on this forum that he loathes, we should re-ask the question. That's the least our monumental asshole brothers should do.

Brainfart: Boycott all companies that advertise on this forum until it's official that BF Labs Inc. will no longer be advertising here. None of the other entities will bid, thus BFL will win them all. The forum coffer will suffer. BFL will be gone. Everything will then return to normal.

It's a Goddamn shame that I have to even think up such a scheme to hurt innocent pocketbooks due to one montherfuckin' rouge entitiy, namely Butterfly Labs.

SNAKES!

Sonny is a convicted scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.0), Josh Zerlan is an absolute douche (http://www.joshzerlan.com), if you want to know why this company will go down in infamy in histories eye as the most hated company in the coin mining industry, look no further than these two clowns.

It was entirely self inflicted by a rash of lies, excuses, patronizing potential or actual customers, inconsistent policies, customer support desk from Hell, and other highly unbusinesslike and unprofessional behavior. They earned that F.

Please, I've met much better. He just has an unbelievably stupid audience.

Amazingly, another one of Josh's sockies likes MFOE: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/mouth-full-o-earth.html?tab=likes_received#likes_received

You are a liar Inaba.

To show the world what a moron I am, I am quoting this again, but not adding any relevant text.

Liar. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224257.msg2417287#msg2417287

Why should anyone believe anything you say?

FCC? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273277.msg2940790#msg2940790
BFL shipping dates? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114329.msg2144997#msg2144997
Failed to pay bets off you lost?
Lied on Trust about "bicknellski"? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198
Refusing to refund customers according to FTC regulations? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268283.0
BBB KS Rates BFL F (Avoided answering questions) http://www.bbb.org/kansas-city/business-reviews/electronic-equipment-and-supplies-wholesale-and-manufacturers/bf-labs-inc-in-overland-park-ks-1000002011

Why would the COO of BFL not even advertise said company in his sig, yet had a contest for others to do just that for BFL?

And why is BFL still using their obsolete address on BitPay's site? Zaina's is closed, so use the El Monte address. I'm sure you'll take my free advice like I shown you how to have the USPS pick up the boxes at the dock oppose to using the angry horde of locusts to deliver them.

It's a shame that PayPay and all the Credit Card companies fired BFL as a customer. I wonder if they know something we don't. You think, Josh?

Wow, and you deleted my reply.  Think that proves my point.  Your only interested in a big circle jerk where everyone agrees with out. 

Here it is again.  If you delete me again, I'll simply start a new thread to copy it into.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on July 15, 2013, 08:35:30 AM
8 more days!

PG - This is the dumbest shit you have ever said.  Its not even worth suing someone for less then 50k these days.  Even that amount is questionable.  I doubt it would be worth the time to sue you.  I doubt you have any money they could collect on.  Saying you would put a broomstick up Josh's ass if he was standing in front of you?  Thats practically a terrorist threat. 

If you want to put your action where your mouth is, I dare you to put up a $50k escrow, where a registered arbitration company decides who keeps it based on you proving your claims.  If your not willing to do that, you should either STFU with your stupid negativity, or be banned from these forums. 

The ponit is, you provide nothing new to these forums and only serve to corrupt and add negativity to every single thread you post on.  Someone posts anything BFL related, you can be fucking sure PG is there trolling it up. 

Your thoughts are fucking clear.  No one needs to listen to your stupid fucking rants day after day.  You poison this forum with your negativity.  How the fucking mods have let you go on this long with no warnings is beyond me.  I cant be the only one who thinks you drove your point down into the ground, out the other side of the earth into fucking orbit. 

If you keep this shit up adding no constructive discourse to this forum, I'll either make it my personal mission in life to get you banned from this forum or I'll leave this forum in protest for them allowing trolling.  I have no problem with you but your seriously acting like a fucking OCD patient in a psyche ward.

Jesus FUCKING CHRIST.

@Therymos Can we please give this guy a warning or a ban or something?

quoted for posterity.

most of the mods probably agree with us. 

Hey,

I can respect that.  Don't get me wrong, I get a kick out of the clown show that PG  produces every day.  I really appreciate that.  But even I can see this guy is whipped up into such a fury that thunderbolts are shooting out of his ass like the spirit of zeus smiting down some shit the likes of which we have never seen.  If I were Josh I would be laughing so hard at this level of crazy this guy is at i would breaking my sides.  Lets make a BFL hate subforum and require everyone to post there.  At least then I could ignore that shit or know where to go for true comedy.  Right now I have to figure out which threads PG has been posting in.  Very inconvenient. 

Why does jhansen858 click on threads with PG in them? In fact, why isn't he ignoring PG if he doesn't like what he posts?
PG goes over the top, but it is a simple problem to solve.

One day, BFL might not shit all over their customers and then we can find out if it is just personal with PG.  :D

You could ignore him...

But yes, all BFL threads should be moved to Scam accusations IMO.
If it has Butterfly or BFL, or Monarch in it, move it to Scams.

He looks like he loves to look up lots of information. Otherwise calm when he is not cursing his muse.

You see something which I don't see. <shrug>

I generally don't ignore as I consider that a bullshit move to censor people I don't agree with.  I really hate it when they do it to me like PG just did a minute ago...

I do however consider it rude that he goes in and hijacks every single thread with his useless bullshit.  Who can honestly say this entire thread isn't a 100% blatant attempt to cause drama on the forums??  

At the moment, I'm trying to figure out what your rant toward me.

Meanwhile, I only seriously apologize about the hijackings. I have to admit that I went a tad over the top with such action. But, believe me, I'm not trying to spread useless bullshit nor cause drama on the forum, except maybe a tad toward BFL/Josh. And that's the damn truth.

I'm now going to reread from where you first posted above forward to get an idea of what your issue is so that I can address it accordingly. First, I'm goin' get a fresh cup of java.

Later, bud.

I don't have anyone on ignore either.


Not 100% useless. Didn't he just bring us the gem of Josh forgetting he was logged in as another user on the Shoutbox.
And not every single BFL thread, he hasn't gotten to this one yet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258622.0
He has been a bit crazy since operation Monarch was unleashed on the BFL investorpool. Then again, a lot of people have been a bit miffed about it as well.
 ;D

First off, Jacob, fine film. http://bitcoinfilm.org/ (still viewing, but wanted to get back here to put this to rest)

I think I discovered the problem, unless I'm mistaken. It has to do with another thread of which you believe that I have been deleting your posts. Please believe me when I state that that is not the case. I don't do self-moderated threads. In fact, at this penning, I don't have the slightest clue as to how to start one, thus I am not the one deleting any posts. Perhaps a mod, but seriously I don't have a clue. I also have never put anybody on ignore. The main reason for my ignore being orange stems from my diatribe toward Bitcoinica which cost me indirectly $20K and a quasi-friend $10K directly. Currently, I am out over $100K due to the InstaWallet fiasco. I won't be out a single satoshi with BFL. I hope that puts a little perspective into where I'm coming from.

You're a good guy, Jacob, and would love to talk to you via phone if you so desire. My number is 815-508-1668. I promise to be civil, for I would have no reason to be otherwise.

Now, back to watching your documentary.

Peace, bro.

Bruno Kucinskas

And to think I said nice things about you prior to reading the above, but I won't retract what I've penned, for I kinda know where you're coming from, but hopefully you now know where I'm coming from.

The broomstick comment is only banter toward Josh. I'm pretty sure Josh could kick my ass without much of a problem, but I would go down kicking.

All-in-all the red flags are just too overwhelming to be ignore, Jacob, hence me keep bringing up the parallels with Laissez Faire City.

I do have full control of my mental capacities and am not on any meds (don't believe that you implied such, just stating a fact).

I don't consider trolling BFL treads when all I'm trying to do is present facts.

I am on record in stating that I don't give a rats ass about the FCC/UL/etc. regulations or that the company is run by a felon. But when a lie was made pertaining to the FCC and never address when questioned, or when mega-parallels arise pertaining to said felon, then we as bitcoiners should be concerned.

Too many people and too many polls point to BFL not being what they claim to be, and all this started way before I came on the scene and joined the choir. For good or bad, it's now my voice that resonates the loudest, and if it wasn't me, it would have been somebody else. In fact it was, but which user it was eludes me at the moment.

Again, I have no problem with you, Jacob, for you seem like a good guy, unless there's something I'm missing, but hope not.

The invitation is still open if you desire to drop me a line.

Later, bud.

Fair assessment! I'm not crazy, just play one in BFL threads.  ;D

I still got to finish viewing that fine film, so I'll be back later.

I am not crazy!

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tanushe/13593047/235752/original.gif

Josh is ok doing PR for BFL but he should at least stay away from the Internet and real life.

You remind me of the pirate supporters from way back then. You know, when we warned you all about pirate and you were all "Go away, negative people, there is nothing wrong with this blatant ponzi scheme. You're just jealous, negative people."

Tell me, were you a pirate supporter?

jhansen doesn't put people on ignore due to not wanting to censor them, but called for a ban on a member in order to censor him.
 ???
::)

Well, if you say so. I would say the effort he went through to set up the MFOE account is pretty impressive if it really was a sock puppet.

I'm not following you, MrTeal. The effort consisted of two mundane posts. An effort would consist of a dozen, albeit a lame effort.

Not really. MFOE has also bought chips through my group buy and planned to have boards made, so unless Josh has gone to all the trouble of setting up remailing addresses and purchasing his own chips from other people at what I can only assume is a much greater cost than he'd pay at BFL he's probably not a sockpuppet. His two posts haven't done any promoting of BFL at all, so that seems like a lot of work for no real benefit.

Don't let me stop you from your investigations though.

I really think this is your (our) best course of action.

What is that?

Josh Zerlan trying to pretend that he edited the clipboard after a control+c?

Priceless.

I honestly don't have a clue as to how he is trying to pawn this off as an error, given...


MFOE posted first with: [10:38 PM]   Mouth-Full-O-Earth : Ok, I've passed that along for the devs to look at it

Then Josh posed with: [10:40 PM]   BFL_Josh : I've passed that along for the devs to look at it

Should it have been the other way around to have Josh's reasoning make sense?

I still find it odd that grnbrg asked for an order # then seemed to correct himself and stated to ask Josh (paraphrased).

Apologies for starting this thread in the wrong section, for obviously this is where I should have place it:

Meta ~ Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum

if that's how the forum feels then I guess I'll go.

sorry for trying to be a voice of reason. I guess trolling is how things get done.

Actually, I offered up an olive branch before I even known one needed offering. Allow me to try again. Jacob, you're an alright guy, and so am I. You and I can easily have a civil discussion. Yes, I've been going over the top lately pertaining to BFL. I am a man of reason, so if you speak civilly to me, I'm more apt to come to your side of a thinking. Give it a shot, bud.

This is ridiculous. How do companies like this even exist? And why is BFL's spokesperson such an idiot? A monkey banging on the keyboard would be more helpful and probably twice as polite.

Get the monkeys to vote in the latest petition: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280290.0

I locked this thread on Aug. 28, 2013.