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Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  :-[
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

So, why do you 50 merits to your alt in the first place, if you trying to test the merit system, you shoul've sent only 1 merit but you don't you sent 50 merits to the poster that doesn't desreve 50 merits that's why you have been tagged. Anyways your trust will not likely to be removed (unless he changed his mind and change it neutral) so, get used to it.

You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?

i try send maximum merits as i can.

I did not know that such consequences are possible for this. So I had 1000 merits so I tested all the possibilities

Trust is not moderate by admin so only actmyname able to remove it.

You say want to test the merit but why small rank account ?
I think the story will be different if you give 50 merit to satoshi account

i send to random user, i'm not choose somebody.

Yeah you did, by giving 50 merits to an account and people will be really telling that is your alt since it is not deserving for any merits. If you want to test the system, why don't you ask first? And if you will be sending a 50 merit, why does it need to be that post??


Well you did maintain your account, but this also is your responsibility.


Not so much? I dont think so. Well, it is a lesson learned to other members. You just set an example to other people.

Come on you are not new to the forum. You are one of the senior most ranked people of the forum and no one expects such experiments from anyone of this rank. I guess we all know the consequences, when we behave abnormally for certain things. A newbie, junior member or a member if comments any irregular behavior can be ignored or warned but I am afraid if the senior category members get involved in improper activities, then the forum performance will definitely be affected. Merit is introduced to up bring the forum quality not to create a mess for anyone.    

I already made a post on flaws of this system. I think your account might not have negative trust if we have put these checks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2854183.new#new


 Be positive, Look forward and  continue your journey.

Look. I had 1000 merits, for me 30 do not mean anything. especially if it's bad to send so much much then why do I have restrictions only in 30 and not in 2 say.
you do not think that I sold these merits?

it is unlikely that it will help me, but thanks for the post!

So, so, so...

First, you sent 50 (fifty) merits to Chetty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1080650) for a post in a thread advertising a “90% AIRDROP”, a post which said only and exactly this:


Approximately:  “Yes, certainly, he said he sent 9% of the coins.”  Fifty merit points for that is not a “test”.  Either you are claiming to be such an imbecile as might make such a “test”, or you presume that we be such imbeciles as to believe such a transparent lie.  ...well, well, well.


Then after you got red-handed and your trust bled, you sent a message posthaste to someone whose profile page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=465017) expressly states:


Oops!  actmyname kept his promise by ignoring you:


As you conveniently forgot to mention, you also sent retaliatory negative trust against actmyname.  Of course, this will accomplish substantially nothing:  Nobody trusts you by default.  actmyname’s trust will not bleed like yours, except for people who explicitly add you to their own trust lists.  You even helpfully lied, and claimed that you risked 1.0 BTC in a matter whereby actmyname violated your trust (n.b. that actmyname properly claimed he risked 0.0 BTC as to you).


Though you have been on this forum since 2015, somehow, you are ignorant both of how trust works, and of the policy that theymos does not intervene in such trust disputes:


And you have the nerve to ask:


Well, here’s a hint:  Maybe, just maybe, people on this forum have become a tad peeved and impatient with swindlers who use alts to pump scamcoin airdrops just like you did, prima facie, you sneaky bastard.  And either you are guilty of that, or you are guilty of criminal stupidity; there is no third option here.

Thus now, your life is “broke”.  Ruined!  Destroyed by the evil merit system, whose malevolent tyranny knows no bounds!

Therefore, I suggest that you get a life.

It is likely traded sMerits between those two, nothing more. That is why the system is partially unfair at the moment.

There are lots of traded/ exchanged sMerits between users (in or out of the forum). Those ones will be ranked up sooner than others, despite what others say. After that, what will happen with those ones? Keep spamming the forum with shitty-posts. I guess so.

For those who are trying to post high-quality threads, but their threads missed attention (we can not refuse that higher-level users won't read all the posts in the forum, then choose and give those deserved ones their sMerits. It's only happen by chances, they read by chances) will drop far behind.

I think positively about what merit system can bring to our forum. However, it should be corrected with new rules, new adjustments from Theymos.

~~~~~ Only time will answer the question how good the merit system is ~~~~~

For me merit - is just a wrapper. I had 1,000 of them so 50 coins of the picture would not change. Of course, if I had only 10 of them, I would not give them all 10, I would not send anything without having understood

it took more than 3 days

I have the right to evaluate my work myself. having lowered to me trust the person has deprived me of work and which I was engaged in earnings for 3 years.

why does everyone have this opinion - once on the forum for a long time, then I must know absolutely everything, while the novice should know nothing? You can spend your whole life in one section.

You do not have 1000 sMerit. You have far less.

AFAIK all Legendary (non-source) members got 200 sMerit. 50 out of 200 would be 25% of your sMerit. That's a significant amount for a test.

right now i have 1001 merit - look in my profile please.
about what sMerit you say?

When you click that +Merit button you are giving Merit to other users but you do not detract from your own merit. There are two different forms of merit: static merit and sMerit, which is the sendable merit. When you are sending merit to another individual you subtract from your sMerit total (which is less than your actual merit). Then, an equal amount is added to the user's merit count and they are also given 50% of the sMerit that you sent.

You should read up on the merit system. That would be a better way of learning rather than to 'test' by sending to other users.

Also, even as a test, is 5% (what you assumed) really reasonable?

If your shitposting life has been ruined by receiving a negative rating on this forum, then you really need to leave.

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Complaining about it in the wrong section will not help you.

I really did not read the rules completely, sorry. But seeing the amount of 1000 for me 50 is like a drop in the sea.
I promise that I will carefully manage to merit and only worthy posts. Well, forgive the fool :-(

I have repeatedly helped users of this forum with their developments for free.
You have no right to say so!

Of course I do, classic self-entitled shitposter.

it's up to you, not me.

Kudos to you sir!

OP you can ba a great example of people who achieved legendary because of time. You're the exact person low ranks are pissed with.

If that is your life and work, why would you do a thing that may potentially ruin it? Don't beg for mercy cause we all know, including you since you're legendary, that these things are prohibitted. Maybe they were not written in any post but i think you're also old enough to know what you did was unforgivable.

Yes and no. I would definitely not give 50 to a single post unless Satoshi himself was giving me the keys for the forgotten accounts of the early Bitcoin (and I guess not even then, as merit cannot be sold).

But the fact is that the merit is highly subjective and there is no specific rule on how much to merit a post.

For me, it would be:

• No merit to "promo posts", off-topic or just making statement without support (i.e. "Buy XRP because Monday is going to pump").
  
  
• 1 merit for a post with relevant information or helping someone, well written, with sources if required.
• 2 merits for posts that are "curated", that is edited with the comments and on topic (because it saves lots of time to readers to have all in one place).
• 3 to 10 merit to extraordinary posts, that take knowledge and effort to write and address a problem that is widespread, helps many people and is appreciated in the community.
• more than 10 merit based on the story of previous posts, that is, members that consistently post high-quality, non-commercially abusive content and generate interest in the forum.

But all this is highly subjective. For example this post would be between 0 to 1 merit for me, but hey feel free to merit me 50 if you want  ;D ;D ;D

Hello!
since it was an innovation on the forum, I did not know all the rules.
Yes, now that I completely understood this system, I realized that I made a gross mistake.
about the examples for the rest - it will certainly be, but in my personal opinion this is a very tough punishment ..

LIAR.  The date stamp on actmyname’s negative trust feedback to you is 2018-01-25, as any reader may verify on your trust page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=502516).  This was as for 50 merit you sent Chetty (uid #1080650) 2018-01-25 14:00:16 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=502516).  You left retaliatory negative trust for actmyname on 2018-01-26.  That is also on your trust page, and in the screenshot I posted earlier; have another look:


It is unfortunate that the trust datestamps lack greater precision (maybe via some API?).  The lower bound on how long you waited is 9 hours, 59 minutes, 44 seconds (2018-01-25 14:00:16 to 2018-01-26 00:00).  The upper bound is 35 hours, 59 minutes, 44 seconds.  Either way, you waited nowhere close to 72 hours, and certainly not “more than 3 days”, before leaving gross retaliatory feedback you had no right to leave anyway.


I have the right to evaluate my feelings myself.  Having offended me, you injured me by making me feel disgusted.  I evaluate that at 1000000 BTC cost.  I will now leave you negative trust based on that number.  Deal?

(Somebody does not understand the concept of an objective measure.)

I will not waste my time with the rest of your drivel in this or other posts to present.  You lie, and you get caught, and you keep lying.

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+1.  If I had it to spare, that ought properly be +50.

You may not know the rules, but i assume you know what's right and wrong. Besides, you're a legendary, what do you normally do when something new appear? Have you not heard of researching? Although it's new, there are tons of posts about the merit system, it's even flooding the boards. There are even threads that gained attention showing people these abusers (people like you). Lot of people are complaining about these kind of things yet you shamelessly ignored it. Let this be a lesson to your kind.

You do realise that people can ask for payments in order to send other users merits  ..I personlly think merits are a bad idea. I used it on one of my own forums a few years back and it caused nothign but problems I ended up disabling it in the end

You know, I'm worried for those people who were left several days before the change of rank.
I know several people who have studied the world of crypto currency, started working on exchanges, traded and held, but at the same time created their accounts on the forum much later, and they write their posts much more interesting and useful than many "oldsports". At the same time, nobody will give their s-merit, no matter how beautifully you write. Many campaigns make stricter conditions where you need to have a rank on the forum, not lower than Full Member. A person who is not a newbie on theme of crypto currency and understands this well, puts his earned money into some currency, but already has no opportunity to participate in the bounty because hi have small rank on the forum. From the side, all this looks like real mercantilism and monopolism. Selected hidden favorites. What happens next? They'll "rock" multi-accounts and selling them for even bigger money.
As for me, the administration needs to revise the merit system. It is not entirely logical if it is done for the benefit of society, rather than a new monetization and source of income for "favorites". :-\

That must be beyond faux pas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29275954#msg29275954):  It must result in an instant automatic permaban.

It can’t always be caught; but it should be made risky enough that no craven blackguard with a high-value account would find it economical.

It will happen and a lot more than what you think  Merit system is bad for the forum and its somethign I would never ever use again

I don’t know you; but a reasonable person might ask if your opinion of what is “bad for the forum” might be coloured by your being a Jr. Member with zero merit, as you are at present.

Edit—P.S., to be clear about my own biases or lack thereof, all my current merit was earned by me; none came from any prior status.  I ranked up to Member at the the activity rollover yesterday, 30 January.  This may be easily verified by anybody who examines my post history and calculates the activity periods.

how arrogant you are with all communicate. status allows?
as I wrote earlier - even a novice can know more than either of us

I am amazed you people - a group of users decides the fate of people of a lower level. and all this is happening in the forum on the crypto currency. this is called dictatorship. Does not the crypto currency pursue the goal of decentralization? let the common people decide the fate of the guilty users

*Lower level*? Maybe you meant lower intelligence.

No. It has nothing to do with dictatorship.

That has nothing to do with the forum.

Welcome to democracy.

your post is very important for me... or you bought merits from me...?

Is this an attempt at smearing my reputation? If so, you should know that I don't react kindly to those.

you do not react, but your superiors should do an investigation, is not it so? how do you differ from me?

I used to run forums although not for crypto and I can tell you a lot of the users post for their own interests not the forum interests. As you can see just from the posts allready users are getting stung by the merit system. At the end of the day its up to the owner/s of the forum how they run but from my experience merit causes nothing but problems on forums.

Before this escalates and Lauda rips you a new one and you end up painted red by 10 people.. ask yourself why Lauda would need to buy merits??

You can see how many they have been given and you can see the most generous merit givers..

This is either a poor joke or a stupid move that will backfire

so why not do something like a vote - to ban a person or spare? This is both democracy and decentralization

In fact merit will provide a renewal and also an improvement aimed at making this forum much better. Indeed you feel it, but I think it is the beginning and when it lasts some time we will feel the real benefits. Complaining is a natural thing, but we must have a vision ahead and we will get results in the future. Believe me and keep trying to contribute to this forum.

“Status allows”?  Just who do you suggest will stop me?  I play by the forum rules, which are fair and reasonable.  I don’t need any of your “status” to say whatever I damn well please.

(Also, by definition, an actual novice does not know anything substantial at all.)

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I myself have an account created in March 2017.  It was inactive until December.  I only ranked up from Jr. Member to Member just yesterday.  By contrast, you have a rank of “Legendary”.

Well, so much for you questioning about my “status”.  So which is it?  Are you concerned about being squashed from above by somebody who was a Jr. Member yesterday, or are you trying to pull rank on me by questioning of “status allows” me to say what I do?

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It looks more like childish acting-out.  A temper tantrum fit for a toddler (who likes to yank the tails of tigers).

At least you got the 50 merits I said you deserved.  I will laugh about that, myself.

(More posts as I was typing...)

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...on second thought, I take back what I just said.

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That sounds like a better idea.  My mistake.

but now look at her track record of the people whom she painted over - do all deserve this fate? I do not think

So , i just went through your profile to see are you really that innocent or not ?
Well , I got my answer . I went upto 10th page and didn'nt see a single good post that would actually help the forum to have some quality . You are just a self acclaimed "legendery member " who have just got that posotion due to the time and some shit posts you gave to the forum . I really don't see a reason to argue here .
You "apparently" give 50 merits for testing ? I haven't got any .. can u spear some . lol .  ;D
For  consideration , you could also have given 50 merits to one of your own accounts . This is obvious that some eyebrows will be raised and you will be getting negative trust for this practice .
I really think that giving one merit is " more than enough" for mere "testing" purpose .
If you are still not clear about how this sysytem works .. you can have a clear reference and idea from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0  and
 https://imgur.com/Ig2u5Un  .

you look earlier. at least take the topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1856067.0 a lot of people got the chance to enter the altcoyins on time and for free (20)
after that I was a bounty-manager in several campaigns, but after all, the ill luck - then there was no hockey

You just described in a nutshell why we need the merit system.  Do you think that soniclord would ever have attained “Legendary” status with a merits requirement?

(By the way, kudos for trawling his post history.  I didn’t bother after I caught him in repeated lies, because I hate liars on principle.  Proofs are above in this thread.)

you can argue for a long time, but everyone understands that the technology is still new and I do not understand why I need to hack those who did not understand it right away

I did not lie and do not lie, your evidence has no basis, do not mislead people!

Look at me pls)

I was expecting to become Senior Member in a fewh days.
And I always been posting only good quality posts.

And what now?Activity ticked and im still Full Member.They implemented this Merit just in time dammit.Fewh days before my promotion.

I wana tell you that NOONE will give anything here to anyone.I doubt that people will care to spend their sMerit for free or something like that.

For me its a disaster :/

For one example, and mainly for the benefit of people who jump to the end of the thread:  I showed above that you (futilely) to retaliate against actmyname with negative trust between 9 hours and 35 hours after he (actually) bled your trust.  You said it was “over three days”.  Proofs are above.

Edit to add:  It should go without repeated mention, only an abject moron would buy your crock of a story about throwing 50 merits to a random user in an airdrop thread as a “test”.  Yes, and I have a bridge to sell.

Feel sorry for you, in my opinion, this forum is totally a toy of admins, they can do whatever they want

Do I look like an admin to you?  You do look like an idiot to me.

(I was proud to rank up from Jr. Member just yesterday.  The forum is totally my toy!)

you wrong! first message about my red trust i send from forum via PM to actmyname:
https://img-host.su/EQUD.png

You look idiotic now. not knowing all the circumstances, you can not make your assumptions, if you did not know

So, wow, let me get this straight—taking here what you post at face value:

• You attempted to retaliate with negative trust against actmyname three days before contacting him.
• You PMed actmyname at “12:08:51 PM”.  According to your forum profile page, you appear to be in time zone +10:00; thus, this time works out to 02:08:51 UTC.
• You then posted this thread complaining that actmyname “ignores” you at 05:08:33 UTC—just under three hours after you PMed him.

N.b. that according to actmyname’s profile, he appears to be in the -05:00 time zone.  Therefore, you PMed him at 21:08:51 in his time zone; and you absolutely, positively expected his response by just after midnight (!).

Again, this was three days after you attempted retaliatory action against him.

Did I get that right, now?  I am asking nicely.  Please advise if I be mistaken about anything.

(Protip for the peanut gallery:  Shake a guy like this enough, and he will usually cough up something interesting!)

For OP, I am sorry to read this thread, negative trust indeed is a game changer if you got one, well you can say it broke your life.
But if you re a legendary member, i think you already know that this forum always update the rules if anything new to be implemented. And i guess it is a usual/normal things to search about something new before you try or do something with it.Because you give 50 merit points to someone random (your point of view) and the post is not good too, you can be accused of things, such as :
1. Selling merit points.
2. Sending merit points to your alts.
3. Etc
There are much to do to prove that you re not guilty beside only making a thread about it. And i guess it will be hard to prove that you re not guilty because the lack of evidences. If you have enough evidences, maybe you can talk to the one who gives you red trust.

And for many times, i already say this so many times since merit points implemented because people keep telling that this forum should be decentralized because it is about cryptocurrency and bitcoin.

not everyone sleeps at night, people that are connected with administration or with programming usually prefer to work at night. Even if it came at night, no one bans to answer even after a few days - am I wrong? What is our date today? Oh, 31 already in the yard.
and another question personally to you, dear nullius - why do you answer questions asked by other people?

I think voting to ban or spare is also not a good idea because if the person is innocent and some people dont like him/her the vote could go the wrong way and also if the person is in the wrong but very well liked then the person could get away with it. For me when iv used merit systems on my own forums in the past it just caused a whole lot of problems for the users of the forum.

the fact of the matter is that I can not prove my innocence. in the eyes of all, I sell merits or I pump my alt accounts. (but they can not prove it - they just lower me) - it's not right!
me my money is enough to deal with such nonsense

To start with, I think that soniclord shot himself in the foot by first trying to retaliate with negative trust, then waiting three days, then PMing actmyname—and then waiting only three hours for a reply before posting this thread!  (This was apparently in the late evening in actmyname’s time zone, too.)

Add to this that to exonerate himself of guilt, soniclord would need to prove that he has an IQ not exceeding 75.  I think that is the functional requirement for innocently awarding 50 merits as a “test” to a random (pinky-swear! random!) post which just so happened to be in a scamcoin airdrop thread.  Well, either severe mental retardation—or a state of insanity, replete with psychotic delusions.  There can be no other way for someone to actually do that innocently.  It is implausible, improbable, impossible.

thank you for your response

The only persons who can remove your negative trusts on your account are the DT Members who rated your account, and by giving 50 merits points to a normal post just doesn't seems logical enough in the first place, I would advise you to respect the forum rules in order to make this forum a better place for every users.

Thanks for the reminder, I know about this and I repeat again - it was my personal mistake and misunderstanding of the work of the new system. I regretted it many times

You better start to gather some prove if you can, but I don't know what kind of prove to be shown in this case. And from my point of view, even though you can prove that you re innocent from selling merit points or pumping alts,still it is like you were embracing a spam poster from a local board on a low quality coin thread by sending that merit points. Even though it is for a testing matter, it will be catogerized as a merit spam activity. That is not the purpose of the legendary member given the mass amount of merit points.
It is like this situation, you dont like what rapist have done but you have a porn video with raping scenario activity. And when people find out, you re not guilty of a rape activity, but people will look negative upon you.

I would like to add one thing that most people missed here. If an account made on an online forum owned by a third party is your "work and life", you really need to rethink about your life priorities.

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

So you have the earnt the equivalent of 3.5 periods of max activity in a week. So it may piss you off but this won't slow you down. At this rate 10 weeks and you will have the needed merit for legendary..

I can totally understand your pain and frustration, but what else can we do? We might deem some of our posts are of high quality, but if there is no one to recognize any of it as high quality post, it doesn't matter at all in the end, life still continues.

“So, so, so...  Well, well, well (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2854290.msg29291069#msg29291069),” again.  I stepped away briefly due to other immediate obligations, then took up other replies which I’d been neglecting—and now, what have we here?  I don’t actually shoot from the hip; and this took a little while to figure out:

soniclord has treated me both as he treated Lauda, by throwing 50 merits at me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2854290.msg29320411#msg29320411), and as he treated actmyname, by giving me retaliatory negative trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=976210).  I must be doing doubly right!


I am thrilled at this endorsement.  I would be honoured to frame it and hang it on my wall.  Also, I am laughing so uncontrollably that I find it difficult to type this post.

Ahem—

soniclord, I was wrong:  You are not either stupid or crazy.  You are both stupid and crazy.

The 50 merits temporarily befuddled me; I didn’t know what to do with them.  I place great pride in earning merits by meritorious action.  Then I realized, I did earn these.  If I am being treated as actmyname and Lauda combined, I fully deserve +50.

The negative trust will have no effect on me whatsoever—as is known to anybody who understands how this forum’s trust system works.

As for you, you started this thread with a desire to be relieved of one negative trust feedback.  Now you have two (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=502516), from actmyname and Lauda.  Congratulations.  No, make that three:  After I post this, I will add mine, too.  It will have no practical effect on you now.  But I will do this just in case I someday in the future become widely trusted.


Now that you’ve torched your career of shady, spammy forum dealings, I do expect that you have a new job option:  Write the definitive manual on how best and fastest to ruin your reputation, humiliate yourself, and totally destroy your Bitcoin Forum Legendary account.  It may not be a best-seller; the market is such a small niche.  But your expertise on the subject is incisive.

HTH, HAND.

I would be ecstatic if I got 50 merit points for just 28 posts.  I obviously am posting in the wrong forums.  Clearly, I'm going to be a Jr. Member for another week or so because of the time requirements, but I'm also limited by merit. 

Speaking to OP's defense, I think you should pull up the posts on the possible alt and compare and contrast viewpoints and if they are all on the same threads.  I don't see much of a gain to sending 50 merits randomly or even to an alt unless he's trying to just level up get another bounty account.

Jet Cash, at 01:08:46 UTC today, I sent you one of my (then relatively few) sMerits as to your complaint about your status on another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828412.msg29000145#msg29000145); it was not the first one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828412.msg28990526#msg28990526) I’d sent you in that thread, either.  You may presume that I understand your situation.  I also have spent some time lurking in your threads in Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower.  You may presume that I appreciate good posts and good posters.

I am also presuming here:  I presume that you are referring to me.  Correct me if I’m wrong.

Thereupon, I invite you to peruse my post history from start to finish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210;sa=showPosts), and also the list of recent merits awarded to me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=976210).  Most of both are in Development & Technical Discussion, which should give you a hint.  So should this:

• For personal reasons, I was inactive between 2018-01-05 02:24:31 and 2018-01-29 23:58:40.  Thus, I was inactive for almost the first five days of the merit system; and I have now only been active for less than 48 hours of it.
• Since I had previously made quality posts which people remembered, I accrued 17 merits whilst completely inactive.  After I became active again, my older posts accrued not less than another 19 merits.  All of those were in Development & Technical Discussion.  All were technical in nature.  5 points at once were for one of my posts in a discussion of Bech32 involving one of BIP 173’s authors (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2624630.msg26823130#msg26823130).
• Within my first 24 hours of renewed activity, I earned 22 merits for new posts.  Most were in Development & Technical Discussion.  Most were for technical posts.
• I could continue, but I think I made my point.

Now, generally, am I one who should be said to make “average or worse posts”?

In this thread, I was given quite ordinary merits by multiple persons earlier on.  I kept up with this thread as it heated up, because I loathe forum garbage, and I don’t want to see the new merits system wrecked by farmers.  I pushed soniclord’s buttons, deliberately.  He first responded by spilling forth some pertinent investigative information, as I expected and desired; that better established the timeline.

Then, he responded by simultaneously throwing 50 merits in my face and negative-trusting me.  That, I could have neither expected, nor even imagined.

At first, I was actually upset by the merit points.  I want to earn those, and do it in a natural manner by continuing to write quality posts.  I do put in considerable effort and time; frankly, I also want some measure of how valuable my posts are to others who simply have nothing to say in reply; in December, I’d oft wondered about that.  Now, I am unapologetically proud at my aptitude for earning merits; in a matter of days, I had earned merit points almost equalling my activity level.  I had 79 merits, purely on the merits!  I did not want a dump of 50 merits tossed in due to getting into a flamewar with a whack job who has bizarre ideas of revenge.

Then, as I said above, I realized that I fully, meritoriously earned these, too:


I wrote that before I saw your post.  (I prepare all my posts in a text editor, not a browser textarea, and archive them on my local disk.)

If your derisive remark was directed at me, I invite you to look to the substance of I’ve posted.  I am comfortable standing on that.

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Edit:  P.S., to give you an idea of how much I detest spam:  My mod report stats currently say, “You have reported 151 posts with 100% accuracy”.  Almost all of that occurred in the month of December.  I started actively using this account on 1 December 2017, and was absent for most of January.

Not sure if it was an innocent mistake on soniclord's part or not, but reading what has happened post said mistake i can see he's not done himself too many favors. Still giving nullius +50 merit for a post lambasting him was pretty hilarious :D

Yes, and if you check this one too /use translate if needed/ > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.msg28966041#msg28966041

Giving 10 to beggars. You can see many people abusing the system, but there are also people reporting them.

It is easy to cause suspicion when you give 50 points to a post which is not of high quality.

As a manager has the right to make such a decision! You are always the PM administrator, and the administrator is disgusted!

Hope for self-reflection!

Merit is not an ever flowing well.... it will eventually dry up.  We need to give the system a month or two before it evens out - and even more time should the administrator create new merit sources.

Its late to blame your self testing is okay but giving 50 for not a deserving post is an trust issue that's why it caught somebody eyes. maybe next time try when your testing get some approval to admin so that you can know what will be that consequences of your act. the merit system is new that`s why we must ask question before we do something suspiciously.

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Good example of someone who needs to cry themselves to sleep before the advantages of merit come to light.

Yes Merit broke my life too, even my post are constructive no one can merit me, lonely no one cares for the newbie or jr.member how do we ranked or earned merit, what should we do? For now many ICO are accepting participants that have a merit or Member up, newbie and jr.member are now suffering.

It looks like case closed by nullius

I also test the new merit system but a 50 merit to a random users is like receiving 0.05BTC on my hidden wallet.dat
Not like I can send 50 merit or 0.05BTC anyway

I didn't go through all the 4 pages, but OP already realized, that he does not have 1000 Merits to send to other people, but 200?  ???

Giving 50 merits is not a testing but rather a clear abuse of using merit. Seems soniclord dislike the way of merit system while nullius enjoying merit.  :)

Your posts are all pretty much just two liners. Not the worst I've seen but they don't really contribute anything constructive and this is the problem we had previously. Anyone can just create as many accounts as they want, write a few words or at most a hollow sentence or two to make it look like they're putting in the effort then hey presto over time you've got yourself a handful of Full Senior/Hero Member accounts. Try offering something with actual thought and not just in two sentences. I think if all your posts here follow some sort of pattern - which yours do - then you're doing something wrong. Your posts will now need to stand out to get noticed and when you're just writing generic two liners they're just going to get lost and buried in all the other spam.

I'm always creating two liners post, and whether it is helpful or not I kept posting like that, I deem the contribution to a constructive post is when you know the statement that you construct is decipherable for a human being not by a robot.

My opinion is that merit is a very controversial tool. I do not want users to be able to influence the fate of other accounts. This can lead to serious abuse and manipulation. Even if the merit of destroying one person's life, it has no right to exist. The bitcoin has gained recognition due to its decentralization and deregulation. I am surprised that the forum where each member is a user of cryptocurrency introduced regulatory elements. I may be wrong, but that's my opinion.

I think I am the right person to answer this. I used to do SEO for clients and all my work used to come through a single forum. I was banned there for a small mistake and all work (about $5000 monthly) was gone. It took me some time to recover but I learnt one thing, it is not a nice idea to depend for living on something that is not in your control. This account should not be  your work and life.

I think 50 Merits is really Big can be accused with Merit farming. but on the other side still the merits that you're going to give to a single post is still your decision right? Most likely Theymos would be really silent about that. you can talk to lauda and actmyname about your issue with your trust. prove it to them that guy deserves your 50 merits.


50 Merits is really big just to test it's functionality why not even try sending a single sMerits to your desired post/person just to test it out.

I think members who did it within 1 -2 days after the merit system was launched can be given benefit of doubt. It is very much possible that they did this by mistake.

After reading the topic, OP has mistaken his sMerit with Merit, therefore saying "So I had 1000 merits so I tested all the possibilities" or "I had 1000 merits, for me 30 do not mean anything.".

But even if that's so, why would you give it to some random dude when you can find some quality post to give it instead, even to that HODL post. Sending some random user 50 merit just for the purpose of testing (like sending 1 merit instead of 50 isn't practically the same thing) is plain dumb.  


Clicked on a random user +merit, typed in 50 and pressed "send" by mistake...

I just saying this not on me but the other member here "now I am pity", I know that you are veterans in this, but I fight for the feelings who are trying to make themselves better on this community/forum, I want to say this that many of us are here to be notice but no one cares because not post but also in ranked, I think someone can moderate/managing giving merit those who are trying their best. Sorry dude but I can't help it my feelings.

Alot of frustration with the new merit system, but it was needed!
I too will get a delayed rank up, and dont see much difference in my posts that are helpfull or just my opinion on coins.

But instead of complaining, try to see which posts get merit and try to achieve the quality thoose users provide :) Before rank was just time and posts, which made it a paradise for bots.
I got so tired of seing posts like "great ico, cant wait to invest" on pure mining coins i actualy appreciate the merit system even though it takes longer for me to rank up.

This whole topic is amazing, money can't buy you Merit, therefore you can't buy reputation or "power". You have to work and earn for it.
It eliminates the rich from attaining all the reputation.

My dear seniors fast I respect and then question please suggest and guide me, because I am in New just enter rank - Jr member just seniors to help me to foram how to merit in rank increases. Suggest me..

just tried, but you gave 50 merits, that is too much for a try. Have you ever read theymos's thread? Merits and sMerits are used for respect only. But anyway, a negative rating for the first time is a little too  tough, I think it should be a neutral.

First of all you need to improve you English. This will help you on other online forums as well and may be with your job as well (depending on which field you are in). Since it will take some time, you can try to get merits by posting infographic on unique topics here.


I do not know which 50 merits are you referring to. As per your current rank, you are a Jr Member and have 4 merits. You only need 6 more merits to reach to the next level. I checked your ratings and you have got no negative trust as well .

From the looks of it, no he didn't read it. What do you mean about: Merits and sMerits are used for respect only?
Correction: Merit can be compared to as a Respect, not a synonym of sort. And sMerit are used to gain Merit.

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We appreciate your respect, but to be frank mate, you should first improve on your communication skills before we can provide you help.

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Nope, you're wrong about that. It is very obvious that many politicians gain more power if they have more money. Let's say you are a candidate for being president, but you don't have the funds to support your campaign, therefore you're powerless.

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He's right, take a look at this:
HODL by elux (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.msg4023047#msg4023047)

In fact, merit system and merit points don't break anyone's life if they don't join the forum only for getting money by spamming.
Spamming endemic to earn money in the forum is coming to the end.

Thanks Theymos for launching merit system.

Did you use google translate to make this post? I am interested as the language used seems strange to me, this cant be how someone is taught to speak English surely?

This is one of the advantages of the merit system. We won't have "legendary" members like you anymore.

The above language makes perfect sense if you happen to be a martian... hello?

thats sounds like great news the more people are pissed of about this forum the sooner we will get all a new one.

I am not sure why people are beating you up over giving away 50 merit points to be honest. I have seen a few posts with 50 merit been added and to be fair no one knew at the start what value the points had. 25 or 50 could have been the norm. No one at the start of merit would have assumed that you must give 1 or 2 points away at a time if they did it would have taken you years to spend your points.

Most people who get upset about how many points that are being distributed have more points than they know what to do with and have no idea how hard it is for lots of the elite to even give away one point. Merit from this perspective is centralized as its definitely being controlled by they few!

I guess there is not a lot that you can do expect for hope that that guy fixes the trust for you but it has to be said either everyone with a 50 merit award on a post should have their trust dropped or they should change the maximum allowable points per post.

Good Luck

It very looks suspicious mate you merited max at 50 smerit to the member in a local forum that we don't know if it is a constructive post for you. No doubt that is your really alt account and the worst thing you abused merit system that strictly prohibited here in the forum.
Well, you're not the one who got painted red trust on DT members here because of abusing the merit system, why you should risk you high account on that?

Then it's better to start another one and I'm sure you will be stuck up at jr.member or member rank. ;D

That isn't really true. Every merit that I award creates almost one other merit in the community, and those are distributed amongst all levels of decent posters.

I’m not sure how one merit can create another one as the majority of people can’t give merit back to other people. It’s a bit like being able to vote but only if your of a certain age that will allow you to vote. You can say someone does a good job but they can’t say it back.

That said it was a sweeping statement and your merit distribution and many of the others in this thread look to be well thought out tbf.

Receiving 1 merit gives you half a sMerit, so for every 2 merits you get, you have one to send to others. It's like being able to vote but only if you contribute, which isn't a bad thing.

There is no question that what you are absolutely doing the right thing with your merit and contributing the forum massively.

But i just see things a little different and it’s just an opinion.

This guy has not been proven to have alts that I have Read but he has negative trust for doing something stupid.


Yet that guy is swanning around with probably 7 accounts that I can count by now none had negative trust that I could see? Even though he has been caught out by lots of users who have actually risked him blasting them back with lots of accounts with negative trust.

I’m not saying anyone’s opinion is wrong and people can certainly do what they wish with the trust but unless the person has been caught out with alt accounts and proven to be cheating in bounties etc I’m not sure if it’s ok to suppress what they do with their smerit.

I am not saying the op is genuine. He more than likely isn’t but in my opinion I have seen some people being dealt with inconsistently. Not by yourself of course. I won’t say any more on this it’s just my opinion.

nope 100% not martian otherwise Lauda would be in here translating for us..

Give away is good, for a lot not good. You can not do that, instead of encouraging the recipients you have given them the attitude they get easily.