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Hi all!

I find it highly annoying that this merit system is still around.
It is supose to be stimulating people to make good quality posts or topics, but i doesnt seems to work this way.

I see alot of people selling there merit to whoever wants it, is this even legit? It means people with multiple accounts can dominate bitcointalk, earn the most bounty rewards( multiple with more accounts) and can give merrit out to themselves and can get alot of bounty stakes, while other who do there best arent even able to join because they cant reach member status!

Even more annoying is the fact that members and above( not all of you ) just post crappy posts all over the place, and keep spamming away with no consequences. Its just sick, like in the real world, the rich get richer, its insane do something about it.
Greetings!  :-\

Some of us take pleasure in earning it the old fashioned way...by making quality posts!

I understand what you feel my bro, I have some question too about this situation. Is the bitcoin and any kind of things which related to it is not really interesting anymore? Or we just have no topic and reference to be discuss in this forum? If we have, so what it is?

Unfortunately things like this will happen whenever you have a merit system. It's similar to what happens on Reddit with upvotes.

If you see somebody selling merit: make a post in the reputation section and/or report the seller. Both seller and buyer will probably receive -ve from DT and get their accounts ruined (including whatever they invested in buying merit).

Selling merit is prohibited, however this doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, there are a limited number of mods and and admins... They can't monitor each and every thread, let alone monitor off-forum sales.  That's why it's important we report these cheaters

Merit system should be disabled, and bitcointalk should come to  be unbaised fair platform. I am totally against merit sysytem, i hope it will change some day.

You realized the shortcomings of merit system so late ? Or is this the frustration of not getting any merit till now ? 

I find it highly annoying when people complain about merit, and they haven't bothered to spell check the word. It shows they can't have read the stickies. It is also highly annoying when people quote the original post in full and then complain because they don't get any merits.

It is the frustation indeed. Merits was introduced on January if I'm not wrong, yet this guy does not have a single merit since then, or since his account made. Can you imagine the frustation? haha.

Merit selling is an illegal action and both buyer or seller can be granted a red trust from DT Members, so you should not buying that even though you have the frustation OP. I suggest you look into yourself and start change and improve. You can make it like any others. You can start by making a reputation report of merit seller by making a thread, maybe you can make some merits form that, since there are members who got merit by that way. It is counted as contributing to the forum.

There were some times, I was against the merit system like you are right now. But now I see things differently: merit is the measure of how other people pay respect to you. Don't be over obsessed with quality, just join topics, give your opinion with and other will merit you if they find your post interesting, useful or just as simple as you're putting effort to it.

About merit selling, those sellers and buyers will be punished once they're are spotted. And high ranked members posting trash, well like you said, life is unfair and you've living with that, right?

No, to you it just seems like you're not earning merits--and that's true, and the reason for that is because you don't know how to write in English.  That's evident from the above quote.  Why can't you post in whatever the most appropriate local board would be for your language skill?  There are merit sources in at least some of those sections, and there should be regular members with merits to give, too. 

I can tell you that if you continue to write crap like the above, you're never going to earn merits.  If your post stands out for its sheer awfulness, that's not a good thing.

Those of you who want to go back to the way things were before the merit system frustrate me to no end.  Bitcointalk was full of account farmers who could rank up 100 or more accounts with activity alone.  To some extent, we still have people who are trying to do that, but it's going to be a losing fight for them.  The low-ranked members who posted here have only been on the forum for a few months and probably didn't understand how bad it had gotten.  You have to be patient.  Ranking up is much harder than it used to be, but you only have spammers to blame for that.

I've made a thread once on reputation thread after I found multiple accounts giving merits to the same accounts. The accounts that I reported didn't get red tagged though because when you make a report you have to link those accounts to get them tagged by a DT member which requires a lot of digging since the bctalkaccountpricer isn't up anymore.

On the positive side these abusers will eventually ran out of merits until they can't rank up anymore.

It won't get disabled because this will encourage both account farming and account sale which is frowned upon by most people here in the forum.


If you're annoyed about the spams you can help the moderators by using the report moderator button on the right side when you see posts that are spam or off topic.  

I think he’s just created this butthurt thread because he’s frustrated that he doesn’t get Merit himself. Slinging wild accusations around is a bit weird without any actual evidence.

Edit - OP, don’t expect to receive any Merit if you can’t even spell the word Merit.

That's easy for a legendary member to say.. In reality, it's really difficult for lower ranks to get merit.

Do you know what's an even bigger joke? The fact that literally thousands of people are coming here to a forum about something they have little to no knowledge or interest in other than they heard you can earn easy money here. It's like signing up to a Lamborghini forum when you can't drive and don't even like cars. Why would anyone do that? Well, they sign up here to get paid of course and this is the only reason you're bothered about merit. Merit doesn't stop you from browsing or even posting here, but obviously you want to maximise profits as fast as possible and this is the entire issue in the first place because people sign up with dozens of accounts each just to farm accounts by spamming and bleed bounties for all they're worth. This is why merit was introduced and users are now rewarded for their quality contributions instead of rewarding the spam they could be bothered to make.


Usually it isn't. I reckon most people who try sell merit are just scammers trying to fleece the naive and desperate, though of course there will be genuine sales by people looking to fill a gap in the market but the community usually leaves them appropriate feedback. There's nothing stopping you from doing this as well if you disagree with it.


1) Merit is limited so they will run out of it very quickly. 2) People who get caught meriting their alts or "friends" usually get negative feedback. If you want to run the risk of having your accounts ruined all for the sake of a few merit points then you're playing with fire and dicing with death. 3). Make quality posts and you may one day receive enough merit to become a Member. You only need ten for that.


You can't complain about greed when you only want a higher level account so you can in fact be like them and earn more. People who merely have a Hero account aren't the elite 1%. They're usually merely just people who've been here a lot longer and maybe you could say they earned their right for their rank.

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Edit: I just went through your posts. They're not bad, but you're probably not going to get merit in mega threads where people are just saying the same thing over and over. I gave you a merit to help you on your way. Keep putting effort into your posts and you'll likely get some more but this shouldn't be expected.

I think the real annoying thing was the delay of introduction of Merit system to the forum. Introduction of Merits system is the best thing happened to this kind of  forum. Yes Merit system still around and it will around too and it should.

How are you telling that doesn't work this way? Is it from your own experience or by looking at the other spammers comments whose actually blames for the Merit system since it's beginning.

So why don't you take extra effort , read more and make some good post rather blaming the system. Sometimes if we can't change the system( actually it shouldn't in this case), then change yourselves. Because the person who doesn't change according to the surrounding will not last longer in the system. Just put some effort and Merits will be there. Don't try too hard and take it easy. Because there are lot of things we can learn being activate the reading mode.

Merit abuse/selling is not moderated by the admins. But if you get caught you and you only have to faced the consequences. So better to away from such things. Merits are not introduced for members to get ranked up and only to do Bounties and get extra stakes or whatever ICO tokens. It's like appreciation from others for doing the right things and being helpful to the other members. There are so many things around the forum besides Bounties.

If you see spammy posts wether it's from higher rank, lower rank whatever just report it by pressing the "report to moderator" button. I think most of the cases it's not about Members and above ranks, but Juniors and newbies ( not the all of them but most) who posting crappy spammy posts.

It's almost impossible to get merit on Locals forums and here if you're not a fluent english speaker.
So lot of non native english speaker will be blocked at "Jr. Member" for ever...

I hate when people always complain about the merit system. Those kind of people are just getting pissed off because they're just a Jr. Members and can't rank up. Did you know that the merit system is just for you guys?

I know some profiles who are Jr. Members and managed to gain merits. They didn't complain any single statements about it, they're chilling around while having good contents. If you have enough knowledge about crypto and the system itself, you'll have it.

At first, I lose hope because i thought i'll be stuck in the Full Member forever but after contributing to our local board I gain my 116th merits. I help many people on my contents because it consists many information that can change individuals. Some of it are spoonfeeding and it's really a complete content but it's sad for me that some new members didn't bother to look the contents that will improve them and they just continue to shitpost on some common discussions.

There's a conclusion to every post like this, you're just ranting and feel anger about the merit system because yourself can't even get merits. I as contributor of the local board and others give merits if you're a worthy one. If you feel that you're just shitposting and against in the merit system, then don't rant about it.

Here's a basic logic, if you're here for knowledge, rank is just an optional unless you have to rank up your profile for bounties. ;)

I don't have any local board and English is not my native language too. But I was not blocked to junior member in fact now I'm a member rank. Gaining Merit is hard sometimes but it is not impossible at all. Since bitcointalk is an international forum, English will be used as a main language in many boards. So better to Learn English language by making extra effort. There are so many threads regarding English language and one I preferred is Fit to talk (https://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php?PHPSESSID=4266b96a52329a3c3fcacf26ca330afc&) by "Jet cash"

Problem isn't on merit system. Problem is on our mind. First change your mind. I don't know who wrote a quote, probably Adlof Hitler,

Something similar I want to say if system is annoying you just follow the system and try to gain top position. Than you will never complain.

On the other hand corruption is every where, even your government. So nothing new on forum also. If you find some one abusing merit system make a thread on Reputation board. DT will tag them. Merit system not moderated by forum.
Just avoid make complain and work hard to earn merit.

The concept was good. It is very well constructed as well as its content. Overall merit system is good. Its just that we find it hard to get merits because of our lack of knowledge.

No, that's not it at all.  The main reason why people have a hard time earning merit is because they're lazy and sloppy, not because they lack knowledge.  My technical knowledge of bitcoin is abysmal, but I can still give opinions about speculation, problems on the forum, and some other stuff, and I'm not illiterate.  I'm not trying to write in Chinese or any other language that I don't know.  

That's the reason people aren't earning merits.  They think a long, bloated shitpost in broken English, and one that keeps repeating the same phrases over and over is a quality post.  They often confuse quantity with quality, and that's not the case.  So you don't necessarily need a whole lot of knowledge to be able to write something worthwhile on bitcointalk.  You DO have to be coherent, organized, and (hopefully) logical.  Don't delude yourself about the reasons you're not getting your posts merited.  

Would you read a book that was written like all these shitposts are?  Hell no, you'd throw that wasted tree right in the shredder.  We all want to read things that express thoughts clearly and don't waste our time because of sloppiness.  Pretty much all of the top-merited members here can write posts that are concise, coherent, and usually interesting.  Anyone who thinks they're getting shafted in the merit department ought to look at the posts written by those members and they should try to emulate them.

I don't know about you, but I don't see blatant merit-selling a lot on the forum.  I've heard that there are Telegram groups in which they do, but I'm pretty sure everybody realizes that they'd get tagged instantly if they tried that on bitcointalk.  If you can link me to any merit selling threads, I'd be happy to take a look.  It's possible I've missed some.

Why don't you report the users who are selling merits, often times those users who sell accounts are tagged already. If they are selling it somewhere else besides the market section in the forum, the still can be tracked as long as the transactions is public. Only those who knows how they can be tracked are the ones who can get away but they may be slip one day. If there are users buying and selling, that means the merit system had worked to them.

In my personal opinion, it is to early to make a conclusion if the Merit System is really working or not.  I think by January 2019 (1 year from the implementation of the Merit System), we can have initial judgment on its effectivity and implement some changes to further improve the current system.

While waiting, we can just observe and take note of our observations and make a recommendation upon the end of the honeymoon period of the Merit System.

I think that's not going to happen. If they disable the merit system, all greedy people's outside this forum are going to create a new account. And create/spam a shitpost to rank up thier ranks.

Because they think the higher rank,the higher income.
I hope you see what will happen if they disable the merit system.

Now, if it's hard for you to rank up faster because of this merits, maybe its not to late for you to learn more.
I suggest to study and practice your strategy on how to get merits in a fair way.

Selling and buying of merit is prohibited and the act can be reduced to certain extent, but what about people that make multiple accounts? They earn merit in one and send it to their other accounts. Its like a chain as merit receiver also receives half of the number as Smerits. There is no system to check these type of frauds. People will continue to make multiple accounts unless phone numbers are linked to people bitcointalk account and 2 factor authentication is made mandatory. Another alternative to stop this is by making KYC mandatory, but people would hesitate to reveal their private information to a forum which is not operated by any single person or authority.

If you find it annoying then maybe you have a problem. Are you blind? This system trying to reduce shitposter, it takes time.

Let me see the proof before giving that statement. We have the rights also to report them so stop complaining. As you can see, our community doing their best to prevent this thing to happen.

I disagree with that. I considered myself doing best and I've reached member right? Maybe your best or their best weren't good enough.

That's the reason why merit system exist for. Don't think that the merit system was unfair because we're all belong to this system and not only you.

May be in future,you will get the ICO on merits... ::) ::) ::) ::)

How many is "a lot of people" because its very seldom that I see someone posting merits for sale. It maybe offered from social media like Facebook but one way or the other those merit sellers will be caught and account will be banned. There are merit abuser hunters here and those who tries to do so will be caught eventually.

This forum is based on crypto and crypto's ideal is anonymity to a certain extent, again bitcoin itself is not completely anonymous. However the forum administration believes in these ideals which is why there has never been any KYC on this site or any phone number linking. Doing so only means that you are giving away your personal info to some third party. Even if you do trust them, still you personal info is can get into wrong hands in case of any data leakage.

Stop being a crybaby and educate your 1nanometer diametric brain into some fruitful work of posting quality content on this forum.

merit is life!

Fixed that for you.

That is true, merit ruined my life too.

I talk in my sleep, and and my wife asked me who is that Merrit I am talking to whole night, I didn't know what to say, she asked me am I cheating her with Merrit and finally I had to tell her about my relationship with Merrit.

She took kids, all my money and credit cards and left me.  :( :(

I blame Theremos for ruining my life  >:(

I told her OK, take kids and you can go, but please return me my credit cards but she says noo  ::) , now you will become poor because of Merrit.

The latter reply posts are really funny.  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe i should also make a thread here in meta section.
That goes like this.

if anybody would be interested to join me in an adventure by searching for the lost "dragonballs", and if we completely found all of it, i/we, would gladly wish to bring back time and erase merit on bitcointalk.   lol
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Hail Merit.

OP your existence as well is also a Joke.
Having any problem to the High Ranks?
Simply, Report Them and Join the SPAMBUSTER CLUB.
In that matter you can help this forum and maybe some people out there might give you the thing that you hate for the job well done of yours.

And I find it utterly surprising that people like you are still around.  ;D You should have left the forum right after the day the system (Merit system) was introduced, because such posts or complains won't make it easier for you guys, and it won't bring back the days when you would earn bucks for posting shit in almost every corner of this forum without anyone questioning you. No one is questioning you today as well, but the system itself is a slap on your face, and the reaction for that is quite clear to everyone right now.  ;D

I knew it.. You were the one who had sex for merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4457400.msg39902362#msg39902362). We want details. Tell us everything.

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At least merit was there for you when no one was, not even your own bitcoins.  :-\

No, I think bitcointalk should be extremely biased against spammers and other filth. Whether merit is the right tool - time will tell. So far it looks like users complaining about it tend to be less than high-quality posters to put it mildly, so it seems to be a step in the right direction.


Not true. There are plenty of examples even in this thread how users with less-than-perfect English are doing just fine. Clear idea, short sentences, simple words, and a spellchecker goes a long way. It quite obvious which users put effort into their posts, no matter what language they're using, and which users just copy-paste from Google.

For the record, English is my third language so I have a pretty good idea how this works.

Any post or thread about merit where it complains about it should be deducted the creator of the complain 1 Merit,
and if he does not have any then there are minus merits!
This should give the most to think about before they complain about it and scream like little babies because they do not get merits!
First look, then think, then write, then post!

 :P

As if they care about that, lol, if only this can be true, there will be a lot of members here would have a negative Merits and thats a fact. I think 80% of the population here will receive that.
People nowadays doean't think about the consequences of what they're about to do, as long as they can keep whining on everything and still nobody gives a single attention to them, they will make repeated mistakes as long as they're alive.

Actually paying one merit to start any thread (not just merit-related) might be a good idea. Perhaps could be implemented on some restricted boards like Serious Discussion.

Looks like there is someone saying that he is having a hard time because of this merit that has been implemented on this forum. I know it is hard to rank up without those MERITS that are needed but it is a challenge for those who know that they could do quality post and not just spamming threads here in this forum. Instead of complaining about it OP, why not just work into it so you could earn some merits.

It is not that hard to be honest, but don't be annoyed if not all of your post doesn't get any merit, because merit means "worthy" and not "shit post".

Does anyone else find it amusing how these three four five six countless near-identical newbies happened to wander into this thread within minutes half-hour of each other with their generic nonsense posts?

http://archive.is/Vkbvj#selection-17796.1-17805.33

Starts here:

https://archive.fo/KLx5T#selection-17069.0-17069.16

Take it positively rather than being against the system. It is a way of encourage others about their activity, join those topics and give your perception then other people will merit you if they like your opinion. It’s interesting.

They are part of your imagination. Account above my post is part of my imagination.

http://archive.is/rvRvk#selection-4297.0-4297.


Account under my post is also part of my imagination  ;D

http://archive.is/b5mZZ#selection-4599.13-4599.14

Merit is not that bad system. You can utilize it. You can encourage people through it. But it’s true recently merit system is squeezed.

Exactly.....


All the accounts below that usually post int he same thread in packs of 4 or 5 are also just in your imagination

Belongingsea (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304329),CanyonsBull (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306508),BraveHeadlight (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306762),BattleSpider (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2311972),LoyalGhost (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2313640),BaronialPlay (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304344),SummerHamster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312161),BlackBeetle (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312100),Satisfyingvalley (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304305)
ZippyWorkshop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306738),VainDots (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2308554),Necessarycrop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304334),PlausibleBaby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304298),PredictableAttic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304417),VindictiveFelony (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304409),VenomedImpulse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304378)
AquaSpike (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2308522),EntrustedMarimba (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304348),ElatedWatchmaker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304320),PureBull (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2308527)
BraveHeadlight (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306762),EffectiveSlave (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304374),PredictableAttic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304417),DivertingTaste (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304287),CharmsBrilliant (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306693),DecisiveRoom (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304337),GuardedCrook (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304404),ImmatureIndustry (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304425),
ArrivingOvercoat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304360),DailyGold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306719),ConfidentChampion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306655),ToxicMaxi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306698),ZippyWorkshop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306738)


It seems they work in waves, I found another batch with the same pattern but with normal names
KennethDarnell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2141425),HarryBrace (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2141724),DavidCallahan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2102532),TonyRodriguez (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2141317)... no energy to investigate more

If you have money, you may buy merits from buddies. But I think, what it would do? Rather you may try starting good discussions, commenting relevant and quality comments and try to solve the problems people faces in here. That may make you earn merit in a legitimate way.

Precisely, I'm not agreed on buying merit because time to time it will be detected to the mods here to have a suspicious way of getting a merit. Even I stuck to this rank I realized that forgot a merit for a while and continue sharing an idea on this forum, and helping others problem. But lately, I am busy with my real business I temporarily stick on a mega thread to keep active on this form.

i agree with you brother. I feel frustrated when i continuously post quality post but still not get any kind of merit. sometimes i am against with that merit system. But someone told me take patience and try to post more and more quality post. In lower rank position it is difficult to get merit.

You noobies need to get of from jerking off to such threads. Seriously you have disembark on a shitposting spree even on a legitimate thread on meta? I am sure this has been said a hundred times before and you all are here just to get noticed by a merit source to grant you some. Why not make you own threads for you rant or do something good for the forum and get awarded for your contribution?

You will never get merits if you keep posting in spam mega threads and revomit the same words over and over again. Learn to be a bit creative and study how other people are getting merits. ;)

We have to accept that we cannot do anything in this matter as it is a very general object. Merit is becoming similar to buy a cryptocurrency.

This is really sad if people are upto buying merit. The purpose of merit was to encourage good posts. If this has become a means of business too then the forum should have a look into this matter and stop this as soon as possible.. 

Merit is not popular among the peoples and it need to be eliminated. i believe it will change in near future.

It’s all about how we utilize anything that we are given. Merit is a very good option to encourage someone’s activity and thus increase his or her participation. But it’s sad but true that merit is being abused.

Merit is not here to win a popularity contest not a beauty contest. It is actually a soft approach to the spam problem. While a tougher approach would have been much easier to implement (i.e. eliminate signatures), the merit system gives people a decent chance here if they bare any interesting in the forum itself, without moving into the drastical terrain. It does not need to be eliminated at all (perhaps even enhanced it terms of lower rank requirements).

The last phrase of your post would read better missing a "t" ("i believe it will change in near future")...

After almost 7 months now of existence of merit system you still dont learn to love the forums system.

You are still complaining about this effective system and blaming it because you are not ranking up, 10 merit is not that hard to get how much more complain will come from you if you're on your way to "full member"?

If you will just learn to embrace the system you will surely rank up more than you expected.

Im telling you that I also start without having any free merit after the system implementation I also once complain about it but after all I realized that this system make's this forum more organized and challenging and I learned to love it. Just accept the fact that merit system will never be gone and only the strongest and loyal member's will stay.

Yes it is and it work's accordingly to the plan, those old forum member's already notice the good effect of the system. Most of the post now are in the mid quality unlike before.

 Based on this merit system is good I think because it will motivate people and encourage people also poor quality post will be reduce. I think it will be a good decision.

I believe that there is no perfect system and the merit system is not perfect. Even though the system is working fine (at least for me), there are some loopholes in it and the users can abuse it anytime. As you can see, even the most crappiest post here have been merited and some by 50 merits.

There is a section called "Reputation" where you can report users who are abusing the merit system. Yes this happens to those users who has multiple accounts but if somebody can trace their merit history and found that he is abusing merit, maybe all of his/her accounts will deserve a negative trust.

This is the worst problem now, spamming. Its like a virus that has been spread thru the forum. People spamming useless shitty posts everywhere especially in the Announcement section.

For me, I think the merit is doing great although like I said its not perfect. In the next years, maybe the admins and mods will implement another features here that will help to lessen or remove the problems here in the forum.
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P.S. This thread has been invaded by newbies and Jr. Members. I saw that the last posts of this thread composes of mostly Newbies who are appreciating the merit system (or maybe not).

Some people nowadays are selling merits to others. This is a very bad practice indeed. If it happens we will lose the trust on the merit system. Though I doubt the number of people who still have trust on merit system.

I think merit system will help to reduce the unnecessary post or which is low quality based on this it will motive the person who is knowledgeable and who really work hard for this.

They are still young. Give them some time to grow, I am pretty sure they will start building little "quote pyramids" and their post will look like this in no time...
...just enter random "ICO"(or bitcoin) instead of "merit"...
...and that's it.

I don't think they really need merit neither they care about it because they will create bunch of accounts over and over again but it really surprised me to see them outside of their natural habitat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=240.0) , it is actually good that we have merit to prevent these spam bots from ranking up. OP can you imagine army of legendary spam bots?

Selling merit is restricted. The system should be disabled as soon as possible. And bitcointalk should be an unbiased fair platform. Admins alone can’t monitor every thread. That why we must report these cheaters at our own responsibility. I am absolutely against this merit system. Hope that it will change someday!

Can you show us where this activity is happening ? Who is selling merit ?  I did not see a single thread where anyone is selling merit and you are saying merit is being buy/sold like a currency  :D

Look at all these one-line shitposters giving their barely coherent opinions on how bad the merit system is!  This is an excellent example of how these noobs have no clue why they're not going to rank up.  They think the merit system is biased and unfair, but they're not seeing what the rest of us are seeing--zero effort, zero talent, zero sense posts that will land you on people's ignore lists.

I'm having a hard time convincing myself that these posters aren't alt accounts, because the shitposts in this thread all sound the same and the usernames kind of follow a pattern (some of them) of WordxWordy.  I haven't checked the account registration dates, but I'm betting most of them will be registered right around the same time.

Take ownership of your shitposts.  The following are complete garbage:

And it just keeps going, even after the bullshit has been called out:
When I go to quote most of these posts, interestingly enough they all have a line break before the quote closes.  Try doing it for all the members who have WordXWordY usernames.

These accounts doesn't really care on what they're posting. You don't need to explain it well, for the reason they're not seeing these. As long as they've given what they want to say, they don't bother reading those threads again.

If only he's not here for this things "$",btc,eth then I think he will consider your advice.

wutda?. Almost? Neh. All of these are made by newbies and I think someone is trolling around this thread.
Maybe you should move it to Trashcan (This Whole Thread), for the reason you can't possibly give these accounts some punishments one by one.
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And there you have it again.
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Google: Did you mean: merritt

That leaves only one solution: she should sign up too, and share your relationship with Merrit.

But.... Among all the serious posts, I love to be able to show some sarcasm once in a while! Merit turned out to be the best way to do so :D

If that would have been implemented from the start, I would have lost 31 Merit. A small price to pay for a cleaner forum! And, on average, I've earned much more Merit per thread, which would make 1 Merit per thread a good investment.

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Why are the Newbie zombie spambots in this thread not nuked yet? I've reported one saying this: "There's a plague of Newbie accounts in the last 2 pages of this thread, writing generic shitposts, rewriting other posts, or it's just a word-mixing-bot. Many accounts were created on the same date, all spamming in a similar manner. Please check the thread, and nuke all that deserve it." (I don't usually create reports this long)
Let's see what happens.

Good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this crap.  I did check the registration dates of the accounts whose posts I quoted, and a lot of them did register on the same date.  I don't have much doubt that at least some of them are alt accounts, but those are all shitposts and should be nuked IMO.

In crypto not understanding, investing is more likely to be a loss. It should be invested with merit. Your talents can benefit you. Of course, you have to acquire skill and knowledge.

Looks from them in a way  when a bot writes in one of that Spamthreads  !  lol

There's some serious farming going on here. This is some straight up sweatshop shift work:

Just look at all these one liner shitposting account farmers on this page and the previous:
















https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304409 VindictiveFelony July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306698     ToxicMaxi July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2308554     VainDots     July 27, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312108     Champeon July 28, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2313616     LuckyOctopus     July 29, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2313679     CrownCandy     July 29, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304749     Flin+piclo     July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280655 coppied July 14, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2111238 CryptoTwinkleton May 13, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2308527 PureBull     July 26, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2311965     ImpulseGhost     July 28, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304305     Satisfyingvalley July 24, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110482 DireFolloW May 12, 2018



Look at this idiot. Clearly not reading anything.

These farmers are swarming everywhere. I'd bet if these were looked into they'd be in their hundreds:

Look at them all in here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4845288.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304344     BaronialPlay     July 25, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304337 DecisiveRoom July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312138     BattleStitches     July 28, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306719     DailyGold     July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252676 Boremat July 02, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252682     Facoure July 02, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2111289 DowdleMan     May 13, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304348 EntrustedMarimba     July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304360     ArrivingOvercoat     July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304395     ImperiousDollar July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304409     VindictiveFelony July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304298     PlausibleBaby     July 24, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304320     ElatedWatchmaker July 24, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306508     CanyonsBull     July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306738     ZippyWorkshop July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2311965     ImpulseGhost     July 28, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312126     IntelligentViking     July 28, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2313625 CrashGangster     July 29, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306512     CandySkate July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2306655     ConfidentChampion July 25, 2018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2111238     CryptoTwinkleton May 13, 2018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110482 DireFolloW     May 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110526 CryptoShooter May 12, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110515     FireEye58 May 12, 2018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2238800 liennhung345323 June 26, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2193068     lamthanh3462342     June 08, 2018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236314     blackrain321 June 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234592     bitcoindiary     June 24, 2018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2115188     CodiepieBCT     May 13, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2115114     Vengeance007     May 13, 2018,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2311961     DazzlingPredator     July 28, 2018


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280607     Raccuporly     July 14, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280661     face foul July 14, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252739     Emence     July 02, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252526     pehuk     July 02, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252703     Proo1947     July 02, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252733     Lisedc     July 02, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252502     Youggairch July 02, 2018

VindictiveFelony. CryptoTwinkleton. wtf.

For the love of Satan get rid of signatures until Member rank otherwise this is never going to change. Good luck with these sort of spammers trying to get ten merit. This is some sweatshop stuff. As soon as these spammers hit junior member they join a crapcoin campaign as some of them already have and get paid for this. When is enough enough? When 99% of the forum consists of these users? Looking at the threads they post in this has nearly happened.

I've only just come back from a reasonable "break" and only received 2 merits in total yet.
I was actually just as surprised, but not simply because the merit system is still there, but because people have started using it as a measure of someone's post quality.

I don't often come across something I would definitely describe as "great quality", yet I see people throwing with merits by the 10s...

I guess we'll have to cope with it. I don't think it's being removed anytime soon...


I think you mean: "Getting merit is not an easy task, in my opinion. You have to be patient, if you really want to get merit. Try to post informative articles and don't feel hopeless. Then you will get merit for sure."

Indeed, it may not be easy for some to get even 1 merit, whilst others get multiple per post without significant differences between their post qualities.
That's one of the main things that annoys me, honestly. I see people posting not-too-good posts who have received a lot of merits, whilst others can barely manage to get a couple.

Is it worth reporting them? Don't seem to violate any rules.

If you see some irrelevant or funky activities in the forum you can always report them to the admin. Selling merits is prohibited and both seller and buyer should be removed from the forum. It is hard for moderators and admins to search for this kind of activities so we should help them by reporting as many as possible.

The one I reported got nuked. Some other spamposts are gone too, but not all.

Please do. Account farming in the dozens upon dozens by regurgitating one line shitposts over and over and posting back to back isn't allowed. One Russian farmer had his 200 accounts banned for this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1912475.0

Sadly, I think that was the last time an admin looked into shitposting farming. It wouldn't surprise me if this user had more accounts than that. I'm waiting for the why was our entire sweatshop accounts banned thread.


It takes time to nuke them and is incredibly tedious. I must have nuked around 50 yesterday. The report queue has been flooded with people reporting spam posts in bounties threads and other reports are getting buried but they get worked through eventually.

Merit system has bad effects and also have good effects on this forum. Overall, the merit system is intended for all of the members here in Bitcointalk, it is for own good. YES, you can say that there are some people will use the merit system to make more money  ( by selling merits ). But not everyone will do that, and the good effects of merit system is much better and it is for the own good of the community.

Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  ;)

Your 19 posts consisting of 2 or three lines are not going to get you merit. Unless one of them says something profound and brilliant. Most posts that get merit take time and effort to compose.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304374;sa=showPosts

Have a look at the type of posts that get merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

Your motivation shouldn't be merit but making a contribution towards the forum. Posts for the sake of extracting merits are usually quite obvious to those that have merits to give.

Not true. I will have gone from Hero to Legendary as soon as I have the required activity and this is only in a matter of months. Merit isn't difficult for those who make quality contributions, but it is for those who are only here to make one/two liners to get paid. I wouldn't even be against everyone starting from a level playing-field with no auto merit allocation and then everyone has to rank up naturally. That would really sort the wheat from the chaff.


He's a spam account belonging to a major account farmer. See the previous page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4847725.msg43906035#msg43906035

I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? :) JK

How is this then untrue?? this is the exact thing i am claiming, you gained rank easily since merit was not a factor back then. all you had to do is post stuff to get activity.
One of your first posts for example:


Has essentially given you a merit. Lets see you getting a merit with a shitpost like that now.




and you essentialy got a "merit' for this shit post so cut the crap people:

There are legendary accounts that would have trouble earning a single honest merit.

There are plenty of people that deserve to have a super legendary title that haven't bothered to rank up under even the old system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=7314 (Vitalik Buterin) Ethereum Founder - Sr. Member (Member since 2011)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1954 (Wei Dai) creator of the Bitcoin predecessor b-money (1998) - Newbie (Member since 2010)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101601 (adam3us) Creator of hashcash (1997) (Proof of Work) - Sr. Member (Member since 2013)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495 (Cøbra) Bitcoin.org domain administrator - Member (Member since 2014)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4 (Sirius) Former domain administrator & first developer to work with Satoshi - Sr.Member (Members since 2009)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143 (Lazlo) Of 10000 bitcoin pizza fame. Also developed some of the Mac Wallet code. - Full Member (Member since 2010)


There are also numerous legendary accounts that fully deserve their status. Their forum rank matches the respect I have for them.

the question is simple. who overcomes who. the ones that deserve it or the ones who dont? and how about hero/sr/member? this we will never know, but I have my theory, and you are free to stick to yours.

I doubt that any of the regular hero or legendary good posters on bitcointalk would have any trouble ranking up under the new system.

There are several people who joined just before or after the merit system was introduced that have more merit than they need and have to wait for their activity count to catch up.

If you can't regularly put together a post that deserves merit then why should you have a hero or legendary title ?

You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.




then let's demote these legendary/hero/sr that post crap?

Pick me. I'm curious what you come up with.

I choose this account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3)

What it will it prove ?



I have proposed that previously.  ;D

The option to send positive or negative merit.

Not every post has to be a merit-able post - but straight out crap posts that are inconsistent with the conversation deserve to be deleted.


I did consider suggesting your account but I think you'll like the one I picked.   ;)

not a merit worthy post#1
not a merit worthy post#2
not a merit worthy post#3
not a merit worthy post#4
cant quote but this:
I uploaded the 93% complete Dutch translation to SVN.  Thanks!

not a merit worthy post#5
cant quote either but this:
Thanks DataWraith!  The German translation is uploaded to SVN.

This is great, we've already got 3 major languages.






since we both agree on the 2nd point. and you were trying to be a smartass by giving me satoshis profile, where I have still provided 5 not merit worthy posts, the only logical way now to move forward is to demand these 5 merits removed from his account. Will you please be kind to open a thread about it?

I do, but it doesn't qualify, as satoshi is not a Hero or Legendary account :P But he already earned more than enough Merit to become Legendary, without making a single post :D

Your claim was to "provide 5 random shitposts". We can agree those posts aren't worth any Merit, and guess what: they didn't get any! But they're valuable posts, and right to the point.

Can you provide links to the posts?

Thanks for the faucet memories :D I disagree on your first one, it's ontopic and to the point. The second one (my sixth post on Bitcointalk!) is a shitpost indeed. I've deleted it.

just browse through his profile and you will see them yourself.

you missing the point smartpants. he did not get any merit because IT DID NOT EXIST BACK THEN. but he did , like you and your shitposts provided above-  gained a rank from them by sole activity count. my point is. YOU and the likes of you should be thankful that they managed to reach their position prior to merit being implemented. :D


Also, I do not say merit is bad, I say it isnt perfect. but the problem here are people like you defending it at all costs just because it plays no role for you anymore - you've been lucky enough to not be bothered by it.

If you're implying that those who shitpost occasionally should not rank up - that's not how it works. If the shitposts are bad enough then report them to the mods. If these users post only shit then they will not rank up and possibly get banned.

You only need ~1 merit per day on average to keep up with the "regular" rank-up schedule based on posts/activity. So it could be e.g. one brilliant post per month that earns you 30 merits even if the other posts are shit. I see merits as a way to say "I'd like to see more of these kinds of posts on Bitcointalk" and ranking-up is just a side effect. If the users complaining about merits adopted the same point of view we would be better off I think.


You seem to think that old accounts got 1 merit per post. Everyone got the same fixed amount based on their rank, so e.g. I got 1000 merits for 11-12k posts. But I'd be happy to give them up if you can go through my WHOLE post history and provide conclusive proof that I couldn't have possibly earned 1000 merits in 4 years. Then repeat it for every user that existed in January 2018 and we'll sort this merit debacle out once and for all.

My "position" has nothing to do with my rank. My signature campaign for example would pay me exactly the same if I'd be a Sr. Member (with just 250 Merit). Of course I've made bad posts, but mosts of my posts are not bad. That isn't something you can say about the average spammer.
I wish Merit wouldn't be necessary, but it is. And even now, most posts are just spam, probably made by bots. Complaining about Merit isn't make it go away. Good posts is what this forum needs.

I've given 634 merit 591 times, to 318 profiles (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=loycev). But I've got much more accounts banned! I love seeing good posters, and Merit is how Newbies can quickly stand out.

If you put it this way, jenia2 has a point: many of the current high ranking members haven't earned much Merit. And someone who hasn't earned much Merit since January, wouldn't have earned 1000 Merit in 4 years either. So yes, there's a windfall for old accounts, just like people who own Bitcoin for many years have a windfall.
That doesn't mean Merit is bad, it only means it should have been implemented sooner. But better late than never!

No it hasn't. I don't think you understand how merit works or what it is. I wasn't merited for that post, so if I made 1 million posts like that then I would literally get nowhere. My posts far eclipse my activity and posts that don't get any merit are irrelevant to your ranking without the required merit and I still had to get hundreds of merit which I have. So even if I started with zero merits I would have almost certainly made the requirements within the time-frames it takes to achieve merely activity over time. Short posts or ones that are not 'essays' don't equal 'shitposts' either. What about all those quality posts I made before the merit system that are now overlooked and will never get any merit?

In fact, I'm actually one of the top-merited users here:

https://i.imgur.com/ekMNepN.jpg



You could make a million shitposts but they're wholly irrelevant if you don't get the additional merit. Even if you were a colossal shitposter who was here before merit without additional merit you're not going to move up ranks.

Let me save a lot of trouble.

You have 510 merits in less than 9 months. The previous four years you got 1000. You should have had 1720 more merits than you received under the old system (based on your monthly average) . I think you have been ripped off. You would have had 3230 merits by now.

For my contribution from Sept 2016 till January 2018 I got 100 merits. I got 478 from Jan 2018 till now.

Not everyone is as smart as Ddmrddmr  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) and not everyone works as hard as  theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530)

Both their activity count has to increase before they can rank up  - new members won't need to earn merits as fast as they do.


None of those posts are shitposts. None of them received merit.

Not every post has to be one that gets merit.

Satoshi hasn't posted since December 2010 - yet got 1111 merits under the new system. So he would have easily ranked up.

Perhaps. BTW I wouldn't mind seeing earned merit displayed separately from airdrop merit. So far it's not hard to see based on e.g. 1000 merit airdrop for Legendaries etc but it will get harder to figure out in the future. However it's clearly unfeasible to de-rank or re-evaluate old members, which is what jenia2 doesn't seem to acknowledge. Six months in it's time to move on.


QFT, ima create 1720 merit complaint threads now, one for each merit I've been cheated out of.

It's actually fair. It stops those users who come here like yourself just to earn by making low-quality contributions and spamming their way through the ranks. The only posts where you've put some effort in are all copy and pastes:


https://community.oilprice.com/topic/3186-whats-next-comes-in-bitcoin/

The rest are pure spam.

I also need to add that the moderators on this forum are very unfair :(

I spent 20 or maybe even 30 seconds looking up your plagiarized post but when I clicked "report" it was already gone. So quick, so unfair.

I also agree with you that everyone can't be smart as them. They always put extra effort than others when they are posting or starting a thread. Actually Merit system not initiated by theymos that not all the members to be liked "DdmrDdmr" or "theyoungmillionaire" but the discourage the spammers. So with this new system they can't get easily ranked up unless they are giving something to the forum where other members appreciated.( Other members actually don't want to be agreed with the OP in order to earn a Merit). Some(actually I'm also believer in early, but not now) members would argue that initial Merits(airdropped) of some members(not all of them but few) have been wasted and misused for the posters actually didn't deserved it. However that doesn't mean the system will failed, but those spammers will eventually dried up their initial sMerits.

Some times we can't say(and we shouldn't) every Merited posts are good ant quality posts. But sometimes some of the members have followed the posters profile (reputation matters in sometimes, not always) before they are going to award any Merit. You wasted your time to find out posts which not worthy Merits. Instead I would like to suggest read the posts of satoshi's from the beginning can gain more knowledge than you imagined. Just follow the top Merited users and follow their posts, how they contribute to the forum, how they answers for the questions asked by others rather than complaining or finding out posts which not worthy to be Merited.

It is hard to flaw Satoshis posting style and contribution. It is also impossible to read his writing without feeling an amount of awe.



I think as hilariousetc pointed out - I don't think jenia2 fully understands how the merit system works.

It probably also isn't a good idea to try and use some of the top posters on the forum as an example why the previous system unfairly advantaged them.

By using averages - over the time that hilariousetc and LoyceV have been on the forum they would have each accumulated much more merits by now than the 1000 that they received for their rank at the start of the merit system.

Full member accounts like these show jenia2 has a valid point about "some" of the airdropped merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1061674;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179979;sa=showPosts



But like LoyceV observed. jenia2 does have a valid point.

Firstly to prove an account like a legendary account doesn't deserve their 1000 airdropped merit from the previous system you would have to check all their posts to make sure that there are no hidden gems in their to deserve 1000 retrospective merits.

For example:
If a user makes 1000 posts only a few will get merits. So 100 merit-able posts may get between 1 and 100 merits each. That leaves 900 posts that would never get a merit.

You would also have to take into consideration that Merit can have a positive effect. It makes people more aware of trying to make quality posts. While I don't care about rank (I don't do bounties or signature campaigns) - I have become more aware of the quality of posts. (Being dyslexic I use a spellcheck and re-read to ensure my grammar is correct). So spend a bit more time to ensure the quality is OK.

I agree with LoyceV
Also in my view - there is a difference between a person who adopted bitcoin in 2009 - 2013 and joined this forum and someone who ranks up now after 2 years to legendary. Unless they show exceptional crypto skills - it is just not the same.

Someone who was part of the early crowd is in my opinion a legend of sorts -  even if they shitpost and not as much of a legend as those that post quality posts.

Experience = input  
Quality posts = output

Rank shouldn't just be an attendance award but involve participation.

It clearly stopped account farming and reduced number of high-ranked users in bounty campaigns. To eliminate spam we need to cancel signature campaigns. But this will certainly decrease the money flow this forum is generating. So Merit system will stay despite how annoyed you are.

I think it is hilarious how the OPs of these type of threads get zero merit or sympathy from readers, and the people who tell them to stop complaining and posting rubbish end up getting a few.

Its like, do the EXACT opposite of what you are currently doing OP and you'll have a better chance of getting merit.

Like that seinfield episode where george does the exact opposite and things turn out awesome.

And without the merit system, all those annoying spam bots on the announcement thread would get ranked up eventually.

I don't think they will change the merit system knowing that this is working FOR SOME users here.

Those people who are complaining about the merit system are probably:
1. Newbies who can't get merit from their post probably because they only posting bounty reports. (I have done this before but I stopped it. Saying this thinking that somebody will see my post history :D)
2. Users who can't get merit from their post because their posts are not merit worthy and now they are just complaining about the system. In short, users who are not contributing to the forum.

Yes - but also another point. Looking at the stats of the two profiles below Date joined, quality of posts, level of knowledge, contribution to the forum.
(There are many others I hold in the same regard)

Now show me one member that has been deprived due to the merit system that deserves to wear the same forum rank as those two profiles.

https://i.imgur.com/VIVwwoi.png

https://i.imgur.com/lbpCjWm.png

Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.

No I think it's not enough, username also to be removed at least for few days, then only Newbies will know actually who are they dealing with ;). Because those names are like brand names for bitcointalk forum. It's not about rank name, but the username.

How about introducing new elite rank for members having more than 1200 Activities and 1500 Merits. Because I personally didn't feeled good when all the Legendary members (espcially members who couldn't achieved much Merits after airdropped initial Merits) bound into a one group so called Legendary. Some of the brand names deserved more than that for their contribution towards forum. Just a suggestion.

There should be an addition rank made. It could supersede Legendary and Legendary is bumped up to a higher activity requirement. Legendary is becoming far too common now and will only become more so as time passes. I have suggested fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the very highest contributors. 2000 merit would probably do as that would be very difficult to achieve and would only be likely done so by the very top percentile of contributors here.  

If that's going to happen, I don't expect theymos to create it before at least a few people dozen have reached it. It wouldn't look good if theymos creates a new rank that only he holds at the moment.
In a bit more than 6 months, only 15 users have earned 500+ Merit, 38 users have 350+ and 77 users have earned 250+ Merit. At this rate, it would take those users 6, 12 or 18 months to reach 1000+ Merit, and not all of those users have enough Activity to be Legendary.
Based on this, I don't expect a new higher rank to be introduced within maybe 2 years.

2000+ Merit’s?
Jesus Christ, 2000+ Activity would be cool but 2000+ Merit’s is going to take people forever to achieve, if at all.

Why not? We shouldn't create a rank that there will be loads of people instantly either. I'm only 13 periods away from 1920 on my main account so it's not that bad. I'm not exactly an old school member either, but it's a rank that people will gradually achieve over time, and the high merit requirement would make it extra special, but I don't think only theymos holding it right now would be a big deal. People will soon join him. There's far too many Legendaries right now and I think there should be a distinction to separate much older members and those who have put in the contributions to receive the merit as well. I dare say with the auto-merit distribution there's probably a lot of shit posting Legednaries that will get little to no merit so would be nice to distinguish between them.


I wouldn't expect much to be introduced here within 2 years to be honest.

Going from 1000 to 2000 will be easier than going going from 0 to 1000. If we expect a Newbie to earn 1000 Merit to become Legendary, it's only fair to expect the same from users who received 1000 Merit in the January airdrop.

@hilariousetc, you just plagiarised my suggestion :P - just kidding

Here is the list what I scraped from DdmrDdmr's Merit dashboard with my suggested requirement (Activity>1200, Merit>1500). How about this list for first Elite Legendaries

• Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872)
• achow101 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290195)
• LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836)
• The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418)
• theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35)
• Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747)

Vod has 1600+ and he's earning merits faster than activity... and there are quite a few other users well on their way. Legendary takes ~2-3 years based on activity alone so the new rank should be at least 4 years of activity and corresponding merit.


1200 is way too low. That's barely above the top limit for Legendary (~1100 IIRC).

Actually its "I believe I will change in the near future."

But the guy misspelled the word Merit when it is written next to every single post on the forum. He doesn't stand a chance.

Life isn't fair but I like the way you think, it would also be a nice way to curb the bellyaching about how ranking up is the hardest thing in the world to do.


Agreed, it should be an acheivement.

Being as we are Bitcointalk, this adjustment in rank showing how difficult it was or wasn't.... anyone see where I'm going with this??

I propose 2016 for activity and Merit for this New rank, and I would go with something like "Mythical" for the name.

Nah let's just call it what it is: "Bagholder" or "Hodler"

I was about to come and edit that with a great follow up. This disgruntled users post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4903481.msg44156705#msg44156705), gave me the idea.

Elder

With there only being a few for a very long time they could become known as the "Circle of Elders", nothing creepy about that.


These however make me laugh more, I think Bagholder. It will bring Joy for years when someone wants to vent about a "BagHolder" because in my mind I'm still just a giggling 7 year old.

"More Merit than satoshi" could be a good threshold.

Yes absolutely  , it's just impossible to earn with just constructive posts .
Believe me I don't think that's how this system works , people like us are not getting noticed and people who already have merits keep increasing their count ,
No offense to Senior users why don't newbies and Juniors with good quality posts aren't getting what they deserve.
I'm not totally against this system but I think it needs correction.

Why not 2008 (the year the whitepaper was published)?


That's blasphemy !!!!!  ;D

Merit system is a good idea in theory, but I think it needs some tweaking to make it work effectively. The number of sources probably needs to be greatly adjusted and maybe the merit requirements lowered for certain ranks, but maybe that will open up the system to abuse. I see lots of posts that I'd like to merit but I just run out of merit within minutes. I don't really need merit as there's no difference to me between Hero and Legendary, though I;d like to get there eventually, but despite my posts being pretty good [in my opinion] and much better than average I've received very few merit. I was very surprised to wake up this morning to see one post received 7 though, but at this rate it will probably take me years to get enough to be Legendary. A lower ranked user making okay or average posts probably has no chance or will take them years to get to a fairly high rank. I guess it's bout finding a balance between it being an effective system that minimizes abuse but also allowing people to realistically achieve ranks.

Why don't you apply to be a merit source? See this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28856522#msg28856522).

You're not a spammer, so in my opinion you shouldn't be limited by Merit. I could probably merit more of your posts, but I'm kinda busy at the moment with something else (and the forum is terribly slow today) :P

I'll check it out. Do people get added as merit sources often though? I see there's lots of people waiting for account recoveries so is this really a priority for admins?


Appreciate the reward but if you have a limited amount of it it's probably best saving it for lower ranks who need it more than I do.

There have been 4-5 merit sources added over the last couple of months. It can't hurt to submit your application.

I see your complaint more sentimental than factual.

1. You saw someone selling merit and you did nothing about it.
2. You are taking a swipe on higher rank members for posting crappy post.

I noticed that in the quest for members to rank up, there is an erroneous belief that every of their posts should be merited. It does not work like that. There is no need to get upset. Just go on making contributions and you will be surprised how you will be awarded merits.

I also think that the merit system is good in theory but can be improved.
For example in the local sections there are very few merit sources.

There are 84 merit for sources with a total merit generation of up to 19500 sMerit per 30 days

84 sources for 2 mln users.

it's true that bitcointalk is now a mirror of society where the richer get richer, but shouldn't we be used to this already?  
If you can live in the real world you can accept the merit system ;D

I also agree to what @sutters said, creating more merit source in each local board could be the solution and it can develop each members. This will also inspire them to continue their journey in crypto.

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@LoyceV we also have a representative for being a merit source in our local, Is it true that it takes a lot of time to review the applicant to be accepted?

I agree there should be more Merit sources. Knowing my Merit is very finite makes me not want to dole it out as much as I would if I was a Merit source (I haven't applied but maybe I will some day).

There's over 2.3 million members but you're forgetting that most of them are either non-active or shitposters looking to game the system. Of the 447 average that sign up per day, I'd bet 400 of them are a combination of bots, shitposters (airdroppers and sig campaigners), and people who otherwise don't give a damn about anything other than how to get "free money." The amount of time noobs waste on this forum in an attempt to make "easy money" is simply fucking astounding.

Unfortunately I think all that's happened after the Merit System was introduced is sig campaigns lowered their standards for admittance, regardless it does make it harder for account farmers so it should remain. Until noobs realize that 90%+ of tokens they get from bounties and airdrops are worthless and start telling their friends, we're going to continue to see this great influx of morons into the forum continue.

In my opinion, even if all 84 merit sources worked hard and efficiently, they have still alsmot been unable to catch all high quality threads to give their smerits away.
They all are human, not robots, so it's bigger probability to miss high quality threads for sure.
However, merit source applications should be verified as strictly as possible to avoid potential greedy merit sources, who can abuse the merit system after got acceptance to be a merit source and start using their allocated sMerits for merit exchange.

Merit is meant to highlight good posts and restrict spammers, so I don't exclude higher ranks. I've never been out of sMerit to give, and I'm having a really hard time handing out more than I receive (probably because I give only 1 most of the time).

That's a community effort: someone has to step up and apply to be a merit source.

Less than 1% of those 2 million users has received Merit.

There is such a system: some get paid more than others in the real world. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes it isn't.

Mine took about 3 months, some were much faster, and some are still waiting.

It took 42 days to go from 2200000 to 2300000 user accounts. That's over 2000 new accounts per day, 16,000 per week. Last week, only 241 users received Merit for the first time, and most of them were old accounts already.

Good threads are hard to find because there are so many bad posts. But from what I've seen, I don't think many good threads get overlooked.

I am a member who always believes that the introduction of Merit system is the best thing happened for the bitcointalk forum. It's not good in theory but practically too. However, I'm not saying it's the best system and it also needs some tweaks like take actions against large-scale merit abuse, merit trading, demerit option where necessary, actions for hiding merit abuses when deleting their own posts etc...

I also agreed with "nutildah" that the fact there is no 2 mln, active users after removing bots and shitposters. I think those statistics can be provided by "LoyceV" or "DdmrDdmr". So your calculations to be revised accordingly that data too. Your argument of "richer get richer" is absolutely wrong. If it is true all the Legendary members should have earned more merits than all other members. But check the Merit data and it shows there are so many Legendary members are staying only with their airdropped Merits (without earned merits). I think you just felt system didn't work when some of the higher rank members more often getting merited than others. But the truth is they often make quality posts than others.

When I am looking to your post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1705958;sa=showPosts) it is more obvious why that you're not getting any merits. Almost all the posts that you have posted were in ANN threads. I think it's better to avoid those threads if you're really want to earn merits and contribute to other members by sharing your knowledge and post your suggestions for valuable discussions. After making so many posts in ANN threads then you're trying to blame the system by posting here and also making a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4909378.msg44217393#msg44217393) in Meta too. I think you and you only to be blamed rather than the system.

Another thing that I believe is we need more merit sources not only for local sections but also for other English boards too. Because most of the discussions are going on mainboards since this is an international forum.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Unfortunately, I don’t scrape a vast  amount of data such as all user profiles to answer this question.
Per Vod’s (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) definition used in the  BPIP (https://bpip.org), which does work on all the forum user profile base, an active user is one who has logged in within the last three months. The site states there are currently 444.249 active profiles, which is really nearly a sixth of the entire user base of Bitcointalk.

 mazdafunsun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1254896) has been publishing stats on this recently ( 2 million users and their stats  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4901670.msg44145551#msg44145551)), and reduces his figure to 90.993, using as active user definition users that have logged in within the last year. He deliberately leaves out newbies and beginners in the calculation and focuses on core users.
Although he has analysed the first 2 million user profiles, there are probably more active users proportionally in the remaining profiles (2.335.558 is the current number of total member officially, so a total of 335.558 are not accounted for), for those are the most recent ones and have not been included in the analysis.

Regardless, If we want to contrast active users to merits somehow, I would go for a more restrictive definition of active user. I would consider an active user for this exercise as one that has posted at least once in a given period of time. Say for example we want to contrast merit given in the past 3 months to active users. We need to consider users that have posted at least once in the same period of time, in order to postulate as a candidate to receive merit in the first place (logging in is not enough for this kind of exercise).

Of course, even this definition would not take us to a terrain that conforms a 100% accurate scenario, since for example posts outside the 3 month example window frame may be merited, so an inactive user may have been merited for previous posts. Regardless, this is a lesser noise factor in the calculations, and the results should be pretty much correct.

So why can’t we do this sort of exercise easily?
Because while the “last active” bit of information is part of the user profile and can easily (but patiently) be scraped, the "last post" cannot. You would either need to enter the user’s profile and scrape data from the last post (not easy at all), or compare two different snapshots to see the post difference. This can be done, but it’s tedious work over 2,3 Million records that download at a rate of one user profile every 2 seconds at best.
Ideally, a field on the user profile with the date of the last post or a counter on Nº posts in a month would allow a simple analysis and distinguish between logged-in users and posting-users when compared to merits awarded to posting users.

This is where you are wrong. The rich gets richer can also be validated if you make it extremely hard for the others to reach your rank. Doesn't mean that the Legendary members receive more merits.
the outcome is the same.



Is true that most of my posting is in ANNS, simply because i'm a translator. I don't care to earn merits so i can get a better signature. I never join signature campaigns.
But i admit i would love to have the privilege to earn an avatar  ;D ;D

The post that i made shows that the majority of high ranked members have a perfect merit score, thanks to distribution, and that most of them didn't earn a single merit point in 7 months.
that's the problem. Is way too hard to earn merit, maintening the status quo of who is high ranked with an airdrop.

Dear fellows,

Who of you thought that the merit system was designed for quality posting? It was designed for only one thing: To keep the small members small. Together with the trust system eliminating the inconvenient higher ranked members the olichargy was established and maintained. Exactly as Theymos apparently wanted it to be.

Hail the movement of decentralisation.  ::)

That's what i'm saying. Ripple is more decentralized than this forum  ;D ;D

This isn't a decentralised forum and never was. It's a centralised one with owners and rules in an attempt to keep order, only the limited amount of rules aren't being enforced much and people are bending and breaking them in an which way they can, and as such the forum has become unfit for purpose. Merit was a way to try combat the abuse of account farming but it needs some adjustments and other rules or restrictions need to be put in place.

Hi, Deena,

I don’t really agree with that. Olichargy Oligarchy by its delineation as per wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy) a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people, may be distinguished by nobility, wealth, family ties, religious or military control. Have you seen people controlling the merit system? As I can see merit sources are doing great in spreading merit and not kept it in few. I am actually nobody when I started here and from the 3rd world country Philippines (per oligarchy is concern I’m not from the elite country), but, as you can see I managed to get the merit needed for a Hero member (your interpretation of oligarchy (bitcointalk) is not valid).

Since, I have also read that bitcointalk is more on ‘Politics stuff’, have you ever seen me post or have merits by publishing my works or what I have done to our community? No. While people are celebrating and publishing what they have done, which really contributes in our community, I am just reading them because I know part of me helped that member (some people will know what I have done in our community even if I am nobody -contributing in private). We all know that politics published things to gain votes, in bitcointalk, it is not defined by how many published stuff you have created, but the impact you have done to our community. Another proof that even a nobody can make a difference-you can do it too, instead of doing this kind of criticism (I am not against criticism-as long as it is for the benefit of our community and constructive) try to find yourself, follow what you think will benefit you and our community-enjoyment.   

A humble advice, merit is hard, merit ruins life, merit is good and blah blah blah- it is all in your mind.
Whatever your mind has defined, it will be your reality.

Good luck!

See you around.

You have more merit than you know what to do with. I've never seen you bitch and moan about the merit system expecting them to come magically for a three line post.

I have seen you spend hours and hours working on quality posts that on topics that you are enthusiastic about. Some of those topics keep on earning you merit. Maintaining them and keeping them updated. Chatting - both learning and teaching.

I have also seen you spend hours on translating topics that stops people from getting scammed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4423342.msg39455776#msg39455776) and help people understand  features the forum. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4544266.msg40904432#msg40904432)

Then again maybe you are one of them...olives.. oligogenes.....oligarchy...merit getters!  ;)

The problem is that Theymos can't make up his mind whether he wants to run the forum centralized or decentralized (or rather the problem is that he doesn't make it run simply centralized, because the forum technique is not suitable to run it decentralized).

He seems to prefer it decentralized, given subjective implementations like the trust en merit systems. He also expressed his irritation about the centralized cluttering of trust (which apparently isn't the way he wanted it to be). But then he does nothing to bring about a change.

And at the same time there are some rules and some moderators, which is again a move to centralization.

That's why I wrote several times in different places that the forum governance isn't executed from principles. It is patch work with a bit of rules here, a bit of merit there, a patch of trust, a patch of moderating, patch, patch, patch. It's a big mess! And a clutterance of long standing members are taking full profit from the situation. But perhaps that is the way Theymos wants it because perhaps he profits from it too. Who knows what's going on in his mind? [EDIT] This forum really needs some professional updates and some clear, intelligent principles.

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People are controllng the merit system as merit sources. Just as people are controling the trust system through DT membership. I see lots of good posts which I cannot merit because I ran out of merit. I also see plenty of trustworthy members who's trust display won't change when I, and a thousand others, tag them positive because one DT member decided to tag him/her negative. That's olichargic oligarchic rule.


But truth and reality simply aren't in the eye of the beholder. They stand independent.

The forum is centralised whether anyone likes it or not, and there are rules to try keep some order here. Without them it's anarchy and a total mess. Theymos obviously wants to keep as much freedom as possible without restricting users too much but I don't think we should just use that as an excuse to get away with not doing anything about the various issues here which are numerous. Yes, users should have as much freedom as possible, but users shouldn't be allowed to freely spam their ref link or virus in every post (as they aren't) nor should ICO campaigns be free to pay thousands of users to copy and paste and spam (which is currently tolerated and shouldn't be). That isn't freedom; it's anarchy. Without rules and regulations the greedy and nefarious rise to the top and shit on everyone else along the way ruining it for everybody in the process and without punishments for those who abuse the system people will continue to get away with murder.


No system is perfect. I've never seen a perfect feedback system that can't be gamed or exploited (see eBay and Amazon etc). No law system is perfect either. Some people get punished more than others and some can even buy their way out of punishment or imprisonment. Things are never fair for all across the board as much as we want them to be. People will naturally invent whatever conspiracies they want to justify what theymos does or doesn't do, but the least sexiest answer is usually the case. I think theymos is slow to act on many things because I just don't think he has the time. If theymos wanted to monetise this forum more he could do so in multiple ways and I have personally suggested numerous ways he could do so. I've suggested users can pay for more donator ranks, ICOs have to pay a fee to list here, more forum ad slots, and even that if he doesn't trust anyone else to do admin duties then he consider paying himself an appropriate wage and doing forum administration full time because one is badly needed (it's been months since someone has seemingly had their hacked/lost account restored). So far he hasn't done anything I have suggested. In fact, he seems to be even against things like more ad slots completely. Nobody is going to be happy with whatever happens; we're damned if we do damned if we don't. People complain about spam and farming and then a system is introduced such as merit, then people complain about that. We ban or restrict campaigns and then people will cry hysterically about that. It's all about finding a balance, but I agree not much is being done to try find it at the moment and as such it's chaos and disorder, but there are certain things that do desperately need to change or be addressed and ignoring them won't make the issues go away.

Complaining merit will not make you earn merit ;D We should accept the reality that merit will never be gone because on the start of this year merit started. The first 120th days of merit activity has gone. Merit system is the way why we are seeing post with good construction or a meaningful one that's why you need to stop complaining that merit isn't working.

Yeah definitely you are doing wrong. Maybe you have posted your "BIG" post in a mega-thread or maybe the topic that you wrote has been posted and you are just duplicating it. I think you don't need to earn merit. Its better if you just post bounty reports and have some hope that somebody will give merit into it. (zZzZ)

I think the merit is something that is important for me to be honest. People who are whining everyday regarding merit are those users who wants a better rank so that they can get a higher payment. In my observation, mostly Jr. Members are the ones who are complaining here.

The forum is made for learning but nowadays, most people see the forum as a earning place. If you want to learn then merit is not that important to you because you can get information even you are just a newbie. Definitely you posted this because you want to rank up to Member to have higher payments right :).

What is annoying is that after almost 9 months of having the merit system around here the child doesn`t want to born. This is the longest pregnancy ever.
To the people complaining: this is just what it is, the system in here. If you don't like it, the internet is full of sites with others systems that maybe suits you more. Try Steemit, and then come back and maybe see how this place is actually pretty free  :)

In fact, merits can only be obtained through constructive and useful posts. The system was invented in order to reduce the amount of spam in the forum, most often coming from users of lower ranks, because they are newcomers who haven`t yet figured out the topic. Perhaps the system doesn`t work exactly as the admin originally intended (we can observe cases of merit-trading, or "encouragement" of alternate accounts), but the participants really began to try harder when writing comments. For me, the merit system performs a very important role - it stimulates and motivates users.

Considering that many people come to the forum for the sake of easy money due to bounty campaigns that don`t follow the quality of their members' posts, more and more spam appears on the forum. This is contrary to the original purpose of creating this forum. After all, participation in signature campaigns is a privilege, and not a self-evident option. To ensure that newbies and juniors don`t create account farms and don`t write an infinite number of useless posts just to fill the quota, the merit system was introduced. Yes, now it is much harder to rise in rank, but those who really want it, try and write constructive posts, learn new information and share them with others, improve their knowledge in the field of crypto currency. I think that only those complain about merit-system whose plans to earn easy money on bounty campaigns have been shaken.

At the forum, everyone gets what they deserve. Recently, a topic was created where the names of the participants were listed, which rose in rank when the merit system was already introduced. In addition, there are newbies and juniors on the forum who receive merits for qualified posts. Merit-system doesn`t leave them all behind the edge. I don`t deny that the merit system needs adjustments (like any innovation after a certain period of time). However, before you offer something new, think about why you didn`t work out with the old one. Try to write useful, reasoned and constructive posts in good English that will be relevant and interesting to the other participants. And I'm sure that your efforts won`t be left without attention.

I agree with Jet Cash, I give a little advice, about merit. One of the important things in creating an effective Member is based on the merit system. The merit system is a Forum policy based on qualifications, competencies.

To get competent and integrity Members, must be in accordance with the merit system principles, as follows:

1. conduct recruitment, selection and priority based on open and fair posting competition;
2. treat Bitcointalk members fairly and equally;
4. maintain high standards for integrity, behavior and concern for the interests of Members in the Forum:
5. manage Forum Members effectively and efficiently;
7. provide opportunities to develop competencies with Forum Members;

So for this it doesn't need to be annoyed anymore if all this is there. Merit must come.

He's not actually saying or pinpointing the ones who are doing it or doing the selling.  These are all just his point of view and I am definitely with him.  There seems to be something going on that only members that has multiple accounts are doing.  Let us be honest with this, there are members who has multiple accounts and they are the ones also giving credits or merits to them selves to upgrade their ranks eventually, rich are getting richer and the poor stays that way.  Posting relevant posts isn't the basis anymore as you could analyze it but veteran members still insists it is the main basis and it supposed to remain that way.  I just hope I will not be banned for saying what is really going on, anyone is entitled to give their side and opinion about matters that matters most.

That`s not really what is going on. The system wasn`t designed to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer. Posting relevant posts really is the basis and it will always be. Many participants just don`t want to admit this. Users, who for half a year failed to earn merits, see the output not in greater diligence and zeal, but in the complaint and criticism of the system. Nietzsche called this the morality of slaves, which is manifested through the ressentiment - a sense of hostility to the fact that the person considers the cause of his failures. In order to get out of this state, it is necessary to work hard, try to achieve more, improve. Don`t think that for users with the highest rank it is easy to earn merits. They try for the sake of this, improve their English, work on the style of presenting information. Without diligence nothing will turn out, nothing gets to anyone without effort. Stop looking for flaws in the system, stop blaming those who managed to get merits. Start with yourself, make efforts, try, imrove your language. And you will succeed.

Improve my language?  English is my official language here in our country and we considered it also as our mother language.  I am not blaming those who managed to get their merits and I don't even feel any envy.  I was just saying my thoughts and opinion regarding the subject.  Easy for you to say all these things you have said because you are a seniority member.  But, you made a big point regarding that and better for us to take it as a complement for us to strive more and harder.

I'm getting sick of hearing this bullshit excuse that merit makes the rich get richer. Do you know the only type of people who make this claim? The ones who are 100% only here to earn from posting. Ranks or merit do not effect your ability to post here, but they certainly effect your ability to maximise earnings via signature campaigns and this is what you're upset about. This forum was not created as a place to earn for posting; it was a place to discuss bitcoin but you're not interested in that if you couldn't get paid for it and that is the whole reason why the merit system was introduced in the first place.

15 out of your first 20 posts here are in threads that are in the trashcan. The rest are mostly all just generic one/two liners made only for payment. Merit isn't a system to keep the poor poor or the rich rich, it's to stop people like you signing up with 20 accounts per family member just to post a hollow one or two liner over each of their accounts and ranking up over time in the process. Now doing this will get you nowhere without contributing substantially and getting merits. In fact, I don't think the merit system goes far enough. I think to become a Junior Member you should have to earn something between 1-10 merits and that would really sort the wheat from the chaff (or the rich from the poor going by your logic) because people like you wouldn't be able to earn anything without getting merit and that is a good thing and would do wonders for this forum. This board is not a place to earn money for posting rubbish and it owes you nothing. We've been too lax for far too long and it has now been swamped by shitposters just looking to earn and they have ruined the forum in the process. You have just chosen to come here to earn and now you find that isn't as easy as whoever told you it was. Now you feel like you've had money swiped from your hand. You haven't. Make great contributions here and one day you will become of those people who you think are the 'wealthy elite'.


English might be an official language of the Philippines but I doubt it's your first language.

I believe the system was introduced to maintain high quality posts in the forum, it definitely has serious short comings, but not worth crying about, especially when you don't have an alternative

I believe that it`s necessary not only to establish the certain number of merits in order to become Juniour Member, but also to remove the possibility of putting on the signature for Newbies. Recently, I began to notice that there are more and more bounty campaigns that are recruiting newcomers for advertising their product. Newbies receive a penny, but for those who create an account farm, this isn`t a problem. If you have 20 accounts, then your petty incomes increase at times. Such offers from the bounty campaigns stimulate spam and shitposting.

Seems that I made you upset a lot.  Come on, this is just my opinion and you literally under estimated me.  Sorry for my actions if you need my apology.  I am just a Filipino here trying to interact with you guys and nothing's personal.  You guys supposed to be our mentor and not the one who would humiliate lower ranks like me.  Again, it is my opinion only and I appreciate every thing higher ranking member's comments about it.  By the way, I don't really do this for a living or to earn as you said and I am not after for any merits for I am not as good as you are to get it.  This is going to be my last comment for this thread.

This dispute make me think that the system is not so good now, and we see it. I think that there are should be a few changes that should increase the situation about bounties and other promo. We see a lot of advertising everywhere, and i think that this forum should represent another site of human thoughts about crypto - THEIR REAL THOUGHTS. So we have to add another rules for every kind of group - for business, newbies, moderators, etc.

Before I apologize I see here a little tense / Disputes, I do not take sides here and there, I as a member want to give a little what I know, new words for the future and so on ... Peace is beautiful.

[1]. You must be able to balance physical, brain and heart. Physically, you need to work hard to get income that will be used to meet daily needs. Then, the results of working hard will be maximized if you also apply the principle of working smart. You will do various kinds of techniques to achieve extraordinary achievements. Then, in order to get peace and peace of mind, you must work with sincerity. Whatever difficulties you face, try to sincerely accept them. In fact, when the results you get are not as expected, don't be sad. Accept sincerely while continuing to struggle to get what you want to get passionately.

[2]. Do not let us fall asleep to fulfill worldly wealth that is only temporary, until we forget our real duty in this world that is to collect supplies to go to the eternal afterlife. So protect yourself both with matter and spiritually, and share that wealth with those who need it more.

[3]. Often, there are people who don't like us without knowing what causes them. Never mind, you don't need to think seriously. Don't reply to that hatred with hatred too. Better, be kind to him because good will erase various forms of crime including hatred. Suppose that he is a potential friend who has not yet finished. When your kindness can melt his heart, hatred within him will turn into a love for a great friend.

Yes, I agree with your opinion, and they also take articles that are not theirs, and they also post them on this forum without the owner's knowledge, sometimes I am more angry to see those who like to complain because their account is banned, even though this is where they were tested for see the results of their posts, do they post have quality.