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August 12, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
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Not everyone is as smart as Ddmrddmr and not everyone works as hard as theyoungmillionaire
I also agree with you that everyone can't be smart as them. They always put extra effort than others when they are posting or starting a thread. Actually Merit system not initiated by theymos that not all the members to be liked "DdmrDdmr" or "theyoungmillionaire" but the discourage the spammers. So with this new system they can't get easily ranked up unless they are giving something to the forum where other members appreciated.( Other members actually don't want to be agreed with the OP in order to earn a Merit). Some(actually I'm also believer in early, but not now) members would argue that initial Merits(airdropped) of some members(not all of them but few) have been wasted and misused for the posters actually didn't deserved it. However that doesn't mean the system will failed, but those spammers will eventually dried up their initial sMerits.

since we both agree on the 2nd point. and you were trying to be a smartass by giving me satoshis profile, where I have still provided 5 not merit worthy posts,
Some times we can't say(and we shouldn't) every Merited posts are good ant quality posts. But sometimes some of the members have followed the posters profile (reputation matters in sometimes, not always) before they are going to award any Merit. You wasted your time to find out posts which not worthy Merits. Instead I would like to suggest read the posts of satoshi's from the beginning can gain more knowledge than you imagined. Just follow the top Merited users and follow their posts, how they contribute to the forum, how they answers for the questions asked by others rather than complaining or finding out posts which not worthy to be Merited.
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Some times we can't say(and we shouldn't) every Merited posts are good ant quality posts. But sometimes some of the members have followed the posters profile (reputation matters in sometimes, not always) before they are going to award any Merit. You wasted your time to find out posts which not worthy Merits. Instead I would like to suggest read the posts of satoshi's from the beginning can gain more knowledge than you imagined. Just follow the top Merited users and follow their posts, how they contribute to the forum, how they answers for the questions asked by others rather than complaining or finding out posts which not worthy to be Merited.

It is hard to flaw Satoshis posting style and contribution. It is also impossible to read his writing without feeling an amount of awe.


No it hasn't. I don't think you understand how merit works or what it is.

I think as hilariousetc pointed out - I don't think jenia2 fully understands how the merit system works.

It probably also isn't a good idea to try and use some of the top posters on the forum as an example why the previous system unfairly advantaged them.

By using averages - over the time that hilariousetc and LoyceV have been on the forum they would have each accumulated much more merits by now than the 1000 that they received for their rank at the start of the merit system.

Full member accounts like these show jenia2 has a valid point about "some" of the airdropped merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1061674;sa=showPosts
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If you put it this way, jenia2 has a point: many of the current high ranking members haven't earned much Merit. And someone who hasn't earned much Merit since January, wouldn't have earned 1000 Merit in 4 years either. So yes, there's a windfall for old accounts, just like people who own Bitcoin for many years have a windfall.
That doesn't mean Merit is bad, it only means it should have been implemented sooner. But better late than never!

But like LoyceV observed. jenia2 does have a valid point.

Firstly to prove an account like a legendary account doesn't deserve their 1000 airdropped merit from the previous system you would have to check all their posts to make sure that there are no hidden gems in their to deserve 1000 retrospective merits.

For example:
If a user makes 1000 posts only a few will get merits. So 100 merit-able posts may get between 1 and 100 merits each. That leaves 900 posts that would never get a merit.

You would also have to take into consideration that Merit can have a positive effect. It makes people more aware of trying to make quality posts. While I don't care about rank (I don't do bounties or signature campaigns) - I have become more aware of the quality of posts. (Being dyslexic I use a spellcheck and re-read to ensure my grammar is correct). So spend a bit more time to ensure the quality is OK.

I agree with LoyceV
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So yes, there's a windfall for old accounts, just like people who own Bitcoin for many years have a windfall.
That doesn't mean Merit is bad, it only means it should have been implemented sooner. But better late than never!

Also in my view - there is a difference between a person who adopted bitcoin in 2009 - 2013 and joined this forum and someone who ranks up now after 2 years to legendary. Unless they show exceptional crypto skills - it is just not the same.

Someone who was part of the early crowd is in my opinion a legend of sorts -  even if they shitpost and not as much of a legend as those that post quality posts.

Experience = input  
Quality posts = output

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August 13, 2018, 04:54:05 AM
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It clearly stopped account farming and reduced number of high-ranked users in bounty campaigns. To eliminate spam we need to cancel signature campaigns. But this will certainly decrease the money flow this forum is generating. So Merit system will stay despite how annoyed you are.

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August 13, 2018, 06:52:41 AM
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I think it is hilarious how the OPs of these type of threads get zero merit or sympathy from readers, and the people who tell them to stop complaining and posting rubbish end up getting a few.

Its like, do the EXACT opposite of what you are currently doing OP and you'll have a better chance of getting merit.

Like that seinfield episode where george does the exact opposite and things turn out awesome.
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August 13, 2018, 01:02:29 PM
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And without the merit system, all those annoying spam bots on the announcement thread would get ranked up eventually.


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August 13, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
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Please do something about this merit system..

It's unfair Sad
I don't think they will change the merit system knowing that this is working FOR SOME users here.

Those people who are complaining about the merit system are probably:
1. Newbies who can't get merit from their post probably because they only posting bounty reports. (I have done this before but I stopped it. Saying this thinking that somebody will see my post history Cheesy)
2. Users who can't get merit from their post because their posts are not merit worthy and now they are just complaining about the system. In short, users who are not contributing to the forum.

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August 15, 2018, 12:19:41 AM
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Please do something about this merit system..

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I don't think they will change the merit system knowing that this is working FOR SOME users here.

Those people who are complaining about the merit system are probably:
1. Newbies who can't get merit from their post probably because they only posting bounty reports. (I have done this before but I stopped it. Saying this thinking that somebody will see my post history Cheesy)
2. Users who can't get merit from their post because their posts are not merit worthy and now they are just complaining about the system. In short, users who are not contributing to the forum.

Yes - but also another point. Looking at the stats of the two profiles below Date joined, quality of posts, level of knowledge, contribution to the forum.
(There are many others I hold in the same regard)

Now show me one member that has been deprived due to the merit system that deserves to wear the same forum rank as those two profiles.




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August 15, 2018, 02:07:11 AM
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Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.

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Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.
No I think it's not enough, username also to be removed at least for few days, then only Newbies will know actually who are they dealing with Wink. Because those names are like brand names for bitcointalk forum. It's not about rank name, but the username.

How about introducing new elite rank for members having more than 1200 Activities and 1500 Merits. Because I personally didn't feeled good when all the Legendary members (espcially members who couldn't achieved much Merits after airdropped initial Merits) bound into a one group so called Legendary. Some of the brand names deserved more than that for their contribution towards forum. Just a suggestion.
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Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.

There should be an addition rank made. It could supersede Legendary and Legendary is bumped up to a higher activity requirement. Legendary is becoming far too common now and will only become more so as time passes. I have suggested fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the very highest contributors. 2000 merit would probably do as that would be very difficult to achieve and would only be likely done so by the very top percentile of contributors here.  

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I have suggested fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the very highest contributors. 2000 merit would probably do as that would be very difficult to  chive and would only be likely done so by the very top percentile of contributors here.
If that's going to happen, I don't expect theymos to create it before at least a few people dozen have reached it. It wouldn't look good if theymos creates a new rank that only he holds at the moment.
In a bit more than 6 months, only 15 users have earned 500+ Merit, 38 users have 350+ and 77 users have earned 250+ Merit. At this rate, it would take those users 6, 12 or 18 months to reach 1000+ Merit, and not all of those users have enough Activity to be Legendary.
Based on this, I don't expect a new higher rank to be introduced within maybe 2 years.

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Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.

2000+ Merit’s?
Jesus Christ, 2000+ Activity would be cool but 2000+ Merit’s is going to take people forever to achieve, if at all.




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I have suggested fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the very highest contributors. 2000 merit would probably do as that would be very difficult to  chive and would only be likely done so by the very top percentile of contributors here.
If that's going to happen, I don't expect theymos to create it before at least a few people dozen have reached it. It wouldn't look good if theymos creates a new rank that only he holds at the moment.
In a bit more than 6 months, only 15 users have earned 500+ Merit, 38 users have 350+ and 77 users have earned 250+ Merit. At this rate, it would take those users 6, 12 or 18 months to reach 1000+ Merit, and not all of those users have enough Activity to be Legendary.


Why not? We shouldn't create a rank that there will be loads of people instantly either. I'm only 13 periods away from 1920 on my main account so it's not that bad. I'm not exactly an old school member either, but it's a rank that people will gradually achieve over time, and the high merit requirement would make it extra special, but I don't think only theymos holding it right now would be a big deal. People will soon join him. There's far too many Legendaries right now and I think there should be a distinction to separate much older members and those who have put in the contributions to receive the merit as well. I dare say with the auto-merit distribution there's probably a lot of shit posting Legednaries that will get little to no merit so would be nice to distinguish between them.

Based on this, I don't expect a new higher rank to be introduced within maybe 2 years.

I wouldn't expect much to be introduced here within 2 years to be honest.

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August 15, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
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2000+ Merit’s?
Jesus Christ, 2000+ Activity would be cool but 2000+ Merit’s is going to take people forever to achieve, if at all.
Going from 1000 to 2000 will be easier than going going from 0 to 1000. If we expect a Newbie to earn 1000 Merit to become Legendary, it's only fair to expect the same from users who received 1000 Merit in the January airdrop.

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I personally didn't feeled good when all the Legendary members (espcially members who couldn't achieved much Merits after airdropped initial Merits) bound into a one group so called Legendary. Some of the brand names deserved more than that for their contribution towards forum. Just a suggestion.
There's far too many Legendaries right now and I think there should be a distinction to separate much older members and those who have put in the contributions to receive the merit as well. I dare say with the auto-merit distribution there's probably a lot of shit posting Legednaries that will get little to no merit so would be nice to distinguish between them.

@hilariousetc, you just plagiarised my suggestion Tongue - just kidding

Here is the list what I scraped from DdmrDdmr's Merit dashboard with my suggested requirement (Activity>1200, Merit>1500). How about this list for first Elite Legendaries

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Holy crap... 2000+ activity should definitely be a new rank, Legendary just doesn't cut it. And 2000+ merits of course.

Or perhaps remove the rank name altogether at that level. Leave the newbies guessing who they're dealing with. Sort of like debadging a car.

2000+ Merit’s?
Jesus Christ, 2000+ Activity would be cool but 2000+ Merit’s is going to take people forever to achieve, if at all.

Vod has 1600+ and he's earning merits faster than activity... and there are quite a few other users well on their way. Legendary takes ~2-3 years based on activity alone so the new rank should be at least 4 years of activity and corresponding merit.

Here is the list what I scraped from DdmrDdmr's Merit dashboard with my suggested requirement (Activity>1200, Merit>1500). How about this list for first Elite Legendaries

1200 is way too low. That's barely above the top limit for Legendary (~1100 IIRC).

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Merit is not popular among the peoples and it need to be eliminated. i believe it will change in near future.
Merit is not here to win a popularity contest not a beauty contest. It is actually a soft approach to the spam problem. While a tougher approach would have been much easier to implement (i.e. eliminate signatures), the merit system gives people a decent chance here if they bare any interesting in the forum itself, without moving into the drastical terrain. It does not need to be eliminated at all (perhaps even enhanced it terms of lower rank requirements).

The last phrase of your post would read better missing a "t" ("i believe it will change in near future")...


Actually its "I believe I will change in the near future."

But the guy misspelled the word Merit when it is written next to every single post on the forum. He doesn't stand a chance.

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August 16, 2018, 02:47:44 AM
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Going from 1000 to 2000 will be easier than going going from 0 to 1000. If we expect a Newbie to earn 1000 Merit to become Legendary, it's only fair to expect the same from users who received 1000 Merit in the January airdrop.

Life isn't fair but I like the way you think, it would also be a nice way to curb the bellyaching about how ranking up is the hardest thing in the world to do.


1200 is way too low. That's barely above the top limit for Legendary (~1100 IIRC).


Agreed, it should be an acheivement.

Being as we are Bitcointalk, this adjustment in rank showing how difficult it was or wasn't.... anyone see where I'm going with this??

I propose 2016 for activity and Merit for this New rank, and I would go with something like "Mythical" for the name.

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August 16, 2018, 04:26:58 AM
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I propose 2016 for activity and Merit for this New rank, and I would go with something like "Mythical" for the name.

Nah let's just call it what it is: "Bagholder" or "Hodler"

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August 16, 2018, 04:37:37 AM
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I was about to come and edit that with a great follow up. This disgruntled users post, gave me the idea.

Elder

With there only being a few for a very long time they could become known as the "Circle of Elders", nothing creepy about that.

Nah let's just call it what it is: "Bagholder" or "Hodler"

These however make me laugh more, I think Bagholder. It will bring Joy for years when someone wants to vent about a "BagHolder" because in my mind I'm still just a giggling 7 year old.

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