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Title: Corruption and Sports
Post by: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 10:31:11 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: danherbias07 on February 28, 2021, 11:27:50 AM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on February 28, 2021, 11:45:53 AM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Becky666 on February 28, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
As long as the human race continues corruption won't stop to exist within the humans circle. You talked about your country, what about my dear country; were corruption has eaten-up the whole sport Ministry, there has not be a single election done by the said Ministry that wasn't compromised IMO. My country has some top footballers-Boxers-Wristlers, i mean sport men and women around the world but few stay behind to associate with the government becasue of internal corruption.

As i said earlier, corruption won't stop to exist within the humans circle especially in sports and politics.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: yazher on February 28, 2021, 12:27:14 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.

Most of this is happening in boxing where we don't really know how it works and sometimes it is not obvious. we will just see one day that the fight was fixed by hearing it from the fighters who fought in the ring. you can see the example with this fight and they agreed the fight was indeed fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smHkN2ZpFWo


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mirakal on February 28, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: livingfree on February 28, 2021, 12:39:28 PM
That's very common.

And that's a promise for the whole country including sports commissions and other sectors of the government. That's where the government officials are good during the elections.

To give false hopes and promises to their constituents.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on February 28, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
It is hard to eradicate corruption because if that is already rooted in a deep, it needs more years to do and needs a long time and clean officers who will solve the problem. We do not know why the sportsmen do that, and maybe it is because the money offered to them is big, so they tempt to accept the offers without thinking much about the risk. I think it happens in many countries, and as long as the clean officers do not have power and back up from the clean government, the corruption will still happen.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iamsheikhadil on February 28, 2021, 01:07:16 PM
This isn't common in my country. Cricket is religiously worshipped here and is the common topic in every household. And we all know that there are some fixing stuffs in every sport, but as well as there is a huge passion as well. The answer to these are human greed which knows no bounds. But you will never see legendary players taking money for any sport like Ronaldo or Messi because they have built a tremendous reputation which will be talked for centuries which they can never afford to lose by taking bribes for matches!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: crzy on February 28, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Politicians will always do politics everywhere and of course, they'll use sports to their advantage. We also have a serious problem on our Sports agency where being played by the politics over the past decades and until now. Athletes are suffering because of them and some good athletes was not able to compete because of no funds at all, knowing the corrupt officials it will be hard to have a good sports agency on our country, this is why we didn't experience to participate on Olympics. 


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AicecreaME on February 28, 2021, 02:11:52 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

People nowadays preferred money over the true essence of sports when you're playing it with all of your heart. But since money is the reason why they are playing sports, they are now accepting rigged matches. Actually this is a give and take, for example: Person A, B, and C, and then there's team 1 and 2. Person A would bet on team 1 having the victory, Person A talked to B to let his team lose the game so Person C would lose his bet since he bet in team 1 because they are way more better than team 2.

I hope this does make sense.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Oceat on February 28, 2021, 03:24:43 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.

Most of this is happening in boxing where we don't really know how it works and sometimes it is not obvious. we will just see one day that the fight was fixed by hearing it from the fighters who fought in the ring. you can see the example with this fight and they agreed the fight was indeed fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smHkN2ZpFWo
I can't really tell if most of it happens in boxing because a lot of sports can be rigged too especially if there's a huge money on the line. So every kind of sports we know is a subject/suspect of being a rigged sports. I've seen some of this happening in boxing, basketball, football, etc. You name all of it that has a huge money on the line and even in esports rigged gameis still happening that's why we have to be fully aware of it.

Although if a certain team/player(s) is found guilty doing the fixed match there's a heavy punishment for that though that would cause them a bad record on their entire life. But still they really did gamble too to play even if they knew there's a higher chance they would get caught.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: DeathAngel on February 28, 2021, 03:29:23 PM
I’m a keen PL fan, I have noticed very strange decisions since VAR was introduced. Before VAR you could excuse referees as they maybe miss something. I thought VAR would be great but all it’s done is highlight either how corrupt or utterly useless they are at their job. Match fixing would not surprise me one bit in the PL.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Cling18 on February 28, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
As long as there is money involved, no one could end corruption. Politicians will always make promises that they can't keep just to gain sympathy and support from their people. It has been happening for years and I guess, even the government couldn't control sports completely but they will always be involved in corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: kryptqnick on February 28, 2021, 06:02:49 PM
I don't bet on local sports and I indeed have no trust in our matches. My country ranks very high when it comes to corruption, and there's definitely a strong possibility of fixed matches. But when it comes to top teams and leagues, I sort of trust that they're not rigged and that people are playing genuinely. But perhaps it's also naive of me to assume that at some level these issues don't exist, I don't know. Then again, I think that in case of fixed matches, some people would come out and talk about it because humans are not great at keeping secrets, especially if telling others can boost their popularity. So maybe it's not so abundant in sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: 2double0 on February 28, 2021, 07:07:03 PM
I don't think that any government can bring their involvement in sports because they are too busy creating new ways of making money from all sectors in their country. Sports corruption will not end till the greed of persons from roots till ends gets over, whether they belong from the sports industry or government.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: chaser15 on February 28, 2021, 07:07:14 PM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I don't see that kind of situation today. Can you name those more key players involving in fixed matches?

Maybe on some small leagues or not heavily regulated but in big leagues, it's not the actual situation.

It was a game fixed wherein players aren't involved in most cases but the officials instead.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Jemzx00 on February 28, 2021, 07:19:22 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.

Most of this is happening in boxing where we don't really know how it works and sometimes it is not obvious. we will just see one day that the fight was fixed by hearing it from the fighters who fought in the ring. you can see the example with this fight and they agreed the fight was indeed fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smHkN2ZpFWo
I was about to talk about that but you got first on it. Well, among most sports, Boxing is one of the highest paying one along with the gambling side that comes to every match. With this, a common fixed or rigged match has been set just for the money which both parties have agreed on.
If I am right, this also happens on other major sport leagues such as Football, Basketball but not as obvious. Another sports, where a fixed match or a rigged match is commonly set on is on E-sports which has been reported countless times but still has not ended rather fined by the higher ups.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: BevNation on February 28, 2021, 08:36:05 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
I can't say anything on the match fixing as there are only suspicions to that though, i don't deny it to be possible but, the issue of bribery in sports especially in countries where sports is yet to be of standard as per international participation, high pays and all, it is a very challenging situation for sportsmen without funds to offer in selection. Its a very bad idea as you find most of the best sports men being left out and as such, we have more poor and poor quality of players.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on February 28, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
Two things, money and power. People will change behaviors at the site of a heck-ton of money. that is just the way of life. Greed may take over their conscience, which in that case they will be doing everything that they can do to get more money, even if it means disadvantaging the poor. Power on the other hand, is also a certain factor, when you have more money, you are king. And these figures will do anything to gain more money than the other guy to ensure that at the end of the line, he is the king.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ene1980 on February 28, 2021, 10:17:23 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.
Not sure which country you are from but if you could cite a few examples about a sportsman who discontinued their sport because of the intervention by the government and supposedly blackmail him. Looks like a soap opera and even if these are true you cannot hide these for a long time.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Can you point to matches which you think are fixed. It is hard to speculate and say about generic things and it would be easy if you could say about the matches you think were fixed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ReiMomo on February 28, 2021, 10:31:21 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.
That what exactly what I'm thinking while reading the OP post, corruption is everywhere, even though in my school there is corruption that happens, how much more those big institutions that talking millions or even billions of money. The greediest on earth are us, people, we won't be contented with what we have. We always asking more even though we have.

Politicians do the same since it was already have been there, they gained more money than the sportsmen and the bettors keep losing their money, they are all pure greed and they should be rigged anytime soon.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on February 28, 2021, 10:40:42 PM
Things to consider sports betting, always believe that sports are corrupt, and therefore don't bet on the team that you think would easily win as most of the time they loss on the point spread. If you are a better and been gambling for awhile, probably you have already heard the words game fixing or rigged games, this is actually true as some are already caught and punished, even an NBA ref which was caught rigging games and was sentence.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: CarnagexD on February 28, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Corruption can definitely exist outside the government but your example OP is a bit too fantastical, it almost looks like a soap opera, but then again, life imitates art I guess. These types of things are way beyond what we normally can do as an individual, and the hardest part of this of course is discovering first that this is happening.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on February 28, 2021, 10:54:43 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.
That what exactly what I'm thinking while reading the OP post, corruption is everywhere, even though in my school there is corruption that happens, how much more those big institutions that talking millions or even billions of money. The greediest on earth are us, people, we won't be contented with what we have. We always asking more even though we have.

Politicians do the same since it was already have been there, they gained more money than the sportsmen and the bettors keep losing their money, they are all pure greed and they should be rigged anytime soon.

Corruption has been here since humanity is born. So it is not only in one country or two. But all around the globe. There will always be a form of corruption. That's human nature so you can't avoid that. And so with sports, there are people that are bought by money. They will always exist no matter what. It is only a matter of time before they will be exposed for what they are doing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Joca97 on February 28, 2021, 11:06:52 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: 2double0 on February 28, 2021, 11:14:07 PM
Corruption has been here since humanity is born. So it is not only in one country or two. But all around the globe. There will always be a form of corruption. That's human nature so you can't avoid that. And so with sports, there are people that are bought by money. They will always exist no matter what. It is only a matter of time before they will be exposed for what they are doing.

Exposing them is a really big deal and once they are exposed, it is not just them who are found guilty but the whole sport's dignity gets harmed and that is why sometimes, many players who are found guilty, are left unhandled just to save the credibility of that sport as they fear that people's interest will die in that sport and they may stop watching it and gambling on it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TimeTeller on February 28, 2021, 11:22:27 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Oasisman on February 28, 2021, 11:24:32 PM

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

No it's not the athletes who are greedy, but it's the people behind it, the commissioners and promoters. The athletes were just being told what to do. One of the most popular corruption in sports is creating fake hype just to sell their tickets and ppv (e.i boxing and MMA), then fixed matches are the worse one.
Sports like Basketball or Football is hard to rig for the athletes side, but that could be easy for the officials to rig a game.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: dunfida on February 28, 2021, 11:28:21 PM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Lets separate the issue talking about humanity condition or simply talks about poverty or being poor because it has nothing to do on someones income or pay into their certain sports.
People are normally greedy and if they do saw an opportunity to make more then they will surely grasp it no matter what and even if it do  talks about on their stats to be affected
as long they do benefit out into those offers then that what matter most.Its a bit common but you cant able to identify or able to know it on public because these are
well hidden and cant be known if you dont have insider information but for sure they do exist.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Shasha80 on February 28, 2021, 11:32:32 PM
Because humans really love the world and to be able to live happily in the world, they are required to have a lot of money. Maybe this is
the beginning of corruption, but it is related to corruption in the sports world. To my knowledge it occurs in almost all countries, especially
in third world countries. So it's no wonder that in the end many high-achieving sportsmen choose to retire quickly and choose some routine
job to make money. Though sportsmen can become heroes for their countries, by winning Gold in international competitions. But because
many government politician only think about themselves, they end up corrupting and harming many sportsmen.

Especially if you look at the very large circulation of money in sports gambling,  making many corruptors adjust the score of matches that have
been experienced in the world of football in several countries. This is very embarrassing in my opinion, and will have a bad effect on sportsmen.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 01, 2021, 12:16:05 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
That is interesting, I have never seen anything close to that in my country, it seems that maybe fixing matches is something common where you live and it needs to be eradicated, this concerns not only casinos that have huge losses because of it, this also concerns the sport itself, after all we watch sports in order to see individuals or teams going at each other with the best that they have, if this is no longer the case and the matches are fixed then there is no reason to watch sports anymore.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: robelneo on March 01, 2021, 12:28:29 AM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Game fixing can only exist if the regulators and the governing body failed to monitor, catch and prosecute those who are involved in game-fixing,
those who are involved in game-fixing mostly are not superstars in the league, these fixers can make huge money in a few games more than they can in a year of playing.
There should be no game fixing and all governing bodies must ensure that none can exist, that is why they impose very stiff penalties like banning those involved for life and their license revoked.   


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 01, 2021, 03:35:40 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
That is interesting, I have never seen anything close to that in my country, it seems that maybe fixing matches is something common where you live and it needs to be eradicated, this concerns not only casinos that have huge losses because of it, this also concerns the sport itself, after all we watch sports in order to see individuals or teams going at each other with the best that they have, if this is no longer the case and the matches are fixed then there is no reason to watch sports anymore.

Perhaps, that will not appear in the public, and it is hidden from that, and only a few people know about the fixing matches. But I guess that some sportsmen do that in the dark place without anyone knows.

Yes, that needs to eradicated from his country and also the other country, but that needs all aspects in that country and hard work from all officers, not just the government, the sportsmen, but it is also for the sports organization. So that will not easy and needs a long time before people can see the sports will clean from the corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: shoreno on March 01, 2021, 04:06:43 AM
Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
simply because they think that money can give them happiness and i think they havent heard and they didnt believe in the saying that money cant buy and give a person happiness , also they only think about themselves and they didnt think of others  .

 corruption is normal and also happen to us and to other country not just in your country . on our country it wasnt the sports but it was the general projects that canditates are promised to combat the corruption that are happening  and will happen within thier term .


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: virasisog on March 01, 2021, 04:15:01 AM
I've heard of a rigged sports event, but I am not well aware that corruption is even this rampant in the sports industry. I guess as long as people have the authority they abuse it, and corruption is always eminent as long as you have authority and opportunity. I guess game-fixing is unavoidable in some cases especially if committees and organizers are involved. With the doing their responsibility diligently none of this will occur.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Xinarae* on March 01, 2021, 04:16:16 AM
Corruption is a big obstacle for sports many good countries cannot play because of corruption. Usually money game is played here with money they don't buy the game but also win through the chance of corruption sport is no longer just a game or a means of entertainment but a labor intensive industry business as the success of sports increases the pride of the country, so does the money earned and if there is money there is also some misfortune. Sports corruption is taking root there should have been a section in the sports council act to curb corruption the opportunity to form a sports tribunal could have been kept there needs to be specific guidelines in the sports law regarding them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: electronicash on March 01, 2021, 04:58:02 AM

been old enough to understand politics in my country Philippines which is one of the worse countries run by corrupt officials but there seem to have no TV reports about sports corruption. i missed it probably.

the one thing that is often reported is the athletes not being supported by the government and then eventually other countries supported these athletes. we could have a new chess grandmaster Wesly So (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_So) but he moved to US for the lack of support in the Philippines but US supported him.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lorence.xD on March 01, 2021, 05:10:16 AM
been old enough to understand politics in my country Philippines which is one of the worse countries run by corrupt officials but there seem to have no TV reports about sports corruption. i missed it probably.

the one thing that is often reported is the athletes not being supported by the government and then eventually other countries supported these athletes. we could have a new chess grandmaster Wesly So (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_So) but he moved to US for the lack of support in the Philippines but US supported him.
I can vouch for this, the problem is not the politicians anymore, we have a lot of corrupt officials but we still haven't learn a thing or two, the real problem is the people in our country doesn't have the integrity and critical thinking to elect the best official in the position. This is one of my frustrations about the Philippines, they do not take care of their athletes and politicians that came from sports doesn't even have the inkling to support the athletes when they should be the prime supporters because they knew the struggle of not being supported. The problem with people that is involved in match fixing is that they do not have the integrity and they tend to twist the reality that sports should be anyone's game, the only way that a match fixing can be solved is when players have the integrity not to participate in that scheme but given that match fixing is a serious business which means that players do not have any choice but to participate because they know that it is a serious business and they can be threatened.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yaunfitda on March 01, 2021, 05:49:45 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Obviously, they wanted to get a shortcut and earn more money while deliberately not giving their best in this match fixing. But it's more on deep than that, there are more involved like officials and even the organizers themselves. So it's deeply rooted to corruption.

There's also this speculation that some powerful entity are behind this match fixing, so probably athletes don't have a choice, otherwise this mafia will not just get back on them, but with their family itself.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: swogerino on March 01, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

That is because of human nature which is greedy by default.A lot of regulators like laws,constitutions and even religion up to a certain point try to make man a better person in general.Of course these entities also threaten people who do not abide by the laws and this is what keeps human race go.They say humans are the greatest merciless animals if not controlled with the above means.

As per your case in sports those sportsman who do that have no moral values and don’t care for the laws as long as they achieve their financial goals.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Peanutswar on March 01, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
I think this is quite normal and most of the higher officials are the ones taking the outcome of the game but if this can goes into their international play I think most of the viewers will directly notice the game and the player throwing and this is not good and healthy to the world of sports because for sure this reduces the reputation of their names and the whole organization of the team. Sometimes they cant notice that kind of throw games just to extend the possible income to both teams. Like the best of five-game, the other team 1 win away to get the championship of course some of them want to extend the game more to they can earn more viewers and profit.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: yazher on March 01, 2021, 09:09:01 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

That is because of human nature which is greedy by default.A lot of regulators like laws,constitutions and even religion up to a certain point try to make man a better person in general.Of course these entities also threaten people who do not abide by the laws and this is what keeps human race go.They say humans are the greatest merciless animals if not controlled with the above means.

As per your case in sports those sportsman who do that have no moral values and don’t care for the laws as long as they achieve their financial goals.

We cannot deny that some sportsman does their job well when competing in the court or in the ring. no matter what will the outcome is. Just like what happened to the other athletes when they didn't want to lose the game even though they got some threat with something evil. There are lots of cases such as this happening in the sports industry. The others have no option as if they are only getting there to throw the game. Because some of them got some deadly threat which made them lose their concentration and skills. You can read it here to know more about it.


https://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/20-athletes-who-have-received-death-threats/



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: abel1337 on March 01, 2021, 09:12:27 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Can I ask what country do you coming from? I think game-fixing is not that mainstream on media of course but I'm sure there are underground deals on fixing a game. For the sake of money, Teams and individuals are agreeing with the fixed game, or sometimes they are threatened. I'm pretty sure that there are authorities backing up with these schemes but they are shut with the money and ended up athlete's passion being destroyed.

I had an experience losing a bunch of money on a single bet because it is fixed. It is later discovered that the game is fixed but the money I lose on that game doesn't come back to me.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 01, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
I think this is quite normal and most of the higher officials are the ones taking the outcome of the game but if this can goes into their international play I think most of the viewers will directly notice the game and the player throwing and this is not good and healthy to the world of sports because for sure this reduces the reputation of their names and the whole organization of the team.
It's hard to notice if there are players that are still throwing games for the sports that they're good at. It's a career for them and they have principles to protect and boast rather than being bought by money. But we know that it's also possible that they can be bought and sell out a game and let the other players win. But as for the officials, there really are some dirty works that happens inside the organization, corruption about funds and budgets that should be for the athletes yet the officials are putting it onto their pockets.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mauser on March 01, 2021, 09:48:53 AM
I think this is quite normal and most of the higher officials are the ones taking the outcome of the game but if this can goes into their international play I think most of the viewers will directly notice the game and the player throwing and this is not good and healthy to the world of sports because for sure this reduces the reputation of their names and the whole organization of the team.
It's hard to notice if there are players that are still throwing games for the sports that they're good at. It's a career for them and they have principles to protect and boast rather than being bought by money. But we know that it's also possible that they can be bought and sell out a game and let the other players win. But as for the officials, there really are some dirty works that happens inside the organization, corruption about funds and budgets that should be for the athletes yet the officials are putting it onto their pockets.

In team games the pressure is just too high to perform. I would imagine that if you start throwing games it becomes noticeable to your teammates and they will pressure you, or you become replaced. This is probably why corruption on football focuses more on the referee than on players. His power is much higher than that of one player, but it becomes more difficult due to video assistance these days.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: YuginKadoya on March 01, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

It is hard to trust what the government is saying because sometimes it can surely end up in promises fixing or abolishing the corruption on sports or inside the governments is pretty big of a job if the only one that wants that will be the president or the vice president and his/her subordinate would surely don't want to allow such things, It will be a big of a task, or if that will be just their platform to win the election but it will be just a promise that often forgets,

in sports, game-fixing is simply normal if you would think that way, but even if there are often sports match or games that are fixed or rigged there are always trustworthy ones that simply want a good match-up, but we can not just always accuse all of them that they are rigged or fixed.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: hahay on March 01, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
Money can always change anything, so it's no wonder that a sportsman or person who has a position cannot control his greed, so that anyone will definitely get involved with hot money because it is something that is very likely to happen to anyone. The election campaign promise is like just something to find appeal to the wider community, even though we don't know what will happen next. Therefore, I personally don't always heed that promise because in the present and next life with whoever the leader is, we need to work to earn money and always be careful to carry out any activities to avoid fraud or something like that.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 01, 2021, 10:45:42 AM
I think this is quite normal and most of the higher officials are the ones taking the outcome of the game but if this can goes into their international play I think most of the viewers will directly notice the game and the player throwing and this is not good and healthy to the world of sports because for sure this reduces the reputation of their names and the whole organization of the team.
It's hard to notice if there are players that are still throwing games for the sports that they're good at. It's a career for them and they have principles to protect and boast rather than being bought by money. But we know that it's also possible that they can be bought and sell out a game and let the other players win. But as for the officials, there really are some dirty works that happens inside the organization, corruption about funds and budgets that should be for the athletes yet the officials are putting it onto their pockets.

In team games the pressure is just too high to perform. I would imagine that if you start throwing games it becomes noticeable to your teammates and they will pressure you, or you become replaced. This is probably why corruption on football focuses more on the referee than on players. His power is much higher than that of one player, but it becomes more difficult due to video assistance these days.
I don't know much about football but I think that's also the same in other sports that has referees. The other team or any of them can take advantage of it, those movies that I've used to watch locally have some extortion that happens for the referees. I'm not thinking and try to exaggerate but as others are telling, some incidents like that are really happening. And for individual players, you said it, it's noticeable if there's something wrong with their performance.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TheNineClub on March 01, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
There is also one additional factor in sports corruption (and I don't know if anyone has mentioned it), and that's doping, which itself is a form of corruption, especially when you factor in state-sponsored doping as we had with the whole Russian athletes controversy in the Olympics. There is a great documentary about it called Icarus that might interest some of you. The problem with doping is that it's not just greed that's the factor, but also a personal achievement that is fueling the decision to take performance-enhancing drugs or not. Another factor is that, unlike money-specific corruption, doping corruption can not be controlled by the state that easily.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: akirasendo17 on March 01, 2021, 11:05:21 AM
there are two things also that never disappear in the world, the believers, and liars, once you believe on what a person says, even if you knew there is something wrong, thats when corruption starts because they knew that their words are the words that you will only believe in, not only corruption are in sports also politics and what they call backer, if you are nobody even if you are good , chance are you will be replace with their friends even relatives, its the reality.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 01, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Wawa2013 on March 01, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
When talking about corruption in the world of sports, I immediately remember the dark history of Italian football, namely the Calciopoli tragedy.
The Calciopoli tragedy or what is also known as Moggiopoli, because indeed the general director of Juventus, Luciano Moggi, was involved in match
fixing. And finally it hurt several teams such as Juventus, AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio and Reggina. But the one who got the heaviest punishment
was Juventus.

Learning from this incident must be given the toughest law in case of corruption in the world of sports against all those involved.  So that the incident
does not happen again, because there must be a lot of people who are harmed. Not only sportsmen and supporters of the team, but some gamblers
who used to bet for Serie A teams were at a disadvantage.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on March 01, 2021, 11:37:13 AM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.

I have to agree, we know that what politicians said are not always true especially during campaign period, they will always say those powerful words that will attract people so we will vote for them, after the election, they'll start doing their thing.

The thing is, if a country is one of the most corrupt in the world, their officials are also corrupt, so at the end of the day, its just all about money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yamifoud on March 01, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

How did you know it's happening? Are they caught and convicted for rigging games in their favor?

I mean corruption happens in sports but it's not that rampant as we think since only few are proven rigging games and that will put them into serious trouble. I believe this is just only an speculation, but it's useful in sports betting knowing things are happening, it means we are not ignorant.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: kotajikikox on March 01, 2021, 11:48:15 AM


I have to agree, we know that what politicians said are not always true especially during campaign period, they will always say those powerful words that will attract people so we will vote for them, after the election, they'll start doing their thing.
actually i agreed also and not just sometimes but most of the time or the words they give us when election campaign days , only few comes true .

this is why i only listen sometimes and give my trust to the candidates that i made a research deeply.
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The thing is, if a country is one of the most corrupt in the world, their officials are also corrupt, so at the end of the day, its just all about money.
Money can change everything mate, from good person to bad but not bad to good lol.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: alegotardo on March 01, 2021, 11:50:46 AM
The thing is, if a country is one of the most corrupt in the world, their officials are also corrupt, so at the end of the day, its just all about money.

You're right!

Where money is involved... certainly, there has corruption.
Sport should be something that brings you pleasure, entertainment. But it started to be "distorted" at the moment the man saw the chance to make money with it.
Well, we use the sport ourselves to make money on the gambling sites, right!?

For this reason, nothing replaces "pelada" (football between friends on weekends here in Brazil) where the only goal is to have fun (but covid ruined that too)... this is a real sport.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ice098 on March 01, 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Money can always change anything, so it's no wonder that a sportsman or person who has a position cannot control his greed, so that anyone will definitely get involved with hot money because it is something that is very likely to happen to anyone. The election campaign promise is like just something to find appeal to the wider community, even though we don't know what will happen next. Therefore, I personally don't always heed that promise because in the present and next life with whoever the leader is, we need to work to earn money and always be careful to carry out any activities to avoid fraud or something like that.
It is really hard to stop that corruption and that gambling anomaly, a government will give all those false help and promises just to get your vote because they knew that these kind of topic are the most favorite thing of all people in their country, but it is really sad that there are some corruption is sports that a public figure are involved that's why some of our athletes in my country want to be part of other country's roster when you ask them what are your plans and dreams they will say " I want to be in NBA" because their talent is not being seen in here.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 01, 2021, 12:55:23 PM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: imstillthebest on March 01, 2021, 01:14:17 PM
every government? but how many government does a country have . it could be the officials that you mean but thats annoying if how many times a candidate can promise it and still no one does it for real .
on what country you are living op but you can make it a secret to protect your countries dignity . that is not common because there must be one government official that can make thier promises come true . in game matches not all team can recieve huge money if they loose thats why they recieve money from fixed matches but if they wont recieve this money i dont think poor families will benefit from that


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 01, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ucy on March 01, 2021, 03:24:15 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I guess by abolishing corruption in sports they mean to end the violation of good laid down rules or create new ones to help keep sports safe, fair, healthy etc. Bribery is actually part of corruption that can prevent the development of sports in the right direction.

In regards to bolded, love for money at the detriment of others people and society


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AjithBtc on March 01, 2021, 06:42:40 PM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
In my view it is a big problem, because certain games will be watched as a nation. This means the entire nation watch the match, for example I'll try to putforth with cricket match between India and Pakistan. The whole world will watch it, so when something is corrupt and a team wins instead of the other it hurts the entire nation's feeling. So, corruption need to be abolished from sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: milewilda on March 01, 2021, 07:42:46 PM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
Even with the lightest issue then it is just right to be tackled on because it do connects out with some issues of corruption and bribe then that what really counts.
I agree into those words above about sugar-coated promises made by those politicians on election times where people do really ending up on choosing the wrong ones.
Well, there's no perfect government though and tackling out these kind of issues are just pretty normal and in talks about corruptions then it
always been part of the system that should really be resolved it out but as long there are people whom are beyond the curtains then it not possible to get rid of it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on March 01, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
In a country like India which has a 1.3 billion population, corruption in sports like cricket has risen to extremes. Here almost 20-50 million Indians play cricket where atleast 10-20 million play cricket professionally. To succeed in the game of cricket in India and if you are hailing from a popular city you need to bribe tremendously to play the matches and prove yourself that you are worthy enough to succeed. But once you get into the national level, you get paid a huge sum of money per match which would be equivalent to the life saving of a normal middle class employee.

In the end, the money you spent bribing individuals would get back to you if you prove what you are capable of by entering the nationals. Gambling is another form where you get paid to lose a match and many have done that globally. Some prominent players would be caught for the act while others never. Here for each ad, cricketers get paid millions which could feed atleast 500 families per month. The country along with it's citizens are doomed and there aren't really any ways to move forward!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 01, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: 7788bitcoin on March 01, 2021, 10:08:40 PM
In a country like India which has a 1.3 billion population, corruption in sports like cricket has risen to extremes. Here almost 20-50 million Indians play cricket where atleast 10-20 million play cricket professionally.
Are you telling that India had 20 million professional cricket players till now or there are 20 million players playing matches and if that the latter is true it is a huge number of players and do you have the infrastructure to allocate these players as county matches will not accumulate millions of players and how many county teams are there in India. My guess is that you have the numbers wrong, i know the population i huge but to have 20 million professional players is a huge number.
 


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: harizen on March 01, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: seleme on March 01, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
It is not always like that but the rigged matches have been sold to some mafia groups before the price has been settled. The passion and other sports-related stuff is second-degree for these guys, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Japinat on March 01, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
I guess it's not happening, there's no way the whole team will rig the game for them, that's a complete crime and they know the consequences of that action. It's betraying the fans and the entire sports will be affected if it will be discovered which sure has a high chance since it's the whole team and one could leak that information. AFAIK, in a team, there's only one player who like the rig a game, or in most cases its the official that do the rigging like in basketball the referees can do it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 01, 2021, 10:53:50 PM
Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol
I understand, I respect your opinion @harizen and I agree with you, professional players have worked hard to get where they are.

I may have expressed myself badly, but it is some players / teams that are willing to do that.

For example, in a soccer game, national championship, last round, if the team that is in 2nd place wins or draws the game it becomes 1st place and wins the championship.
If, for example, this team that is in 2nd place plays against a team that is in the last places, and that team has few resources / money, you think that if the team that is in 2nd offers a certain amount of money to buy the game, this team that is in the last positions will not sell? Basically he has nothing to lose.

But of course this is just an example, and things like that can happen in any game in any sport.

Well, in politics my country is a lost case, literally lol


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: MCobian on March 01, 2021, 11:15:50 PM
Now more and more people are greedy, therefore corruption occurs everywhere, in almost all countries. And corruptors are very detrimental
to many people, many people even think that corruptors are more dangerous than murderers. Because one country becomes the victim of
a corruptor, therefore several countries are very serious about dealing with this problem of corruption. There are even some countries that
provide death sentences  for corruptors. Same thing with corruption in the world of sports, mostly because sports gambling is very profitable.
Therefore, there are often match-fixing done by some influential people in the world of sports. Indeed, initially corruption occurs because humans
cannot control their greed, so only think about your own interests, without looking at the interests of others. Let's all say no to corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 01, 2021, 11:41:02 PM
Well, it is not always like that. There are plenty of sportsmen who ready to rig the match for getting more money and they will happy to retire with a huge sum of cash. The true and strong sportsmen have no choice if the whole team has agreed to fix the match result, maybe a boycott will work but it is highly unlikely. Bribery facts and corruption kills the passion and true meaning. This is how bookies get rich every year and they grow the business.
I guess it's not happening, there's no way the whole team will rig the game for them, that's a complete crime and they know the consequences of that action. It's betraying the fans and the entire sports will be affected if it will be discovered which sure has a high chance since it's the whole team and one could leak that information. AFAIK, in a team, there's only one player who like the rig a game, or in most cases its the official that do the rigging like in basketball the referees can do it.

Yeah right, there are players who can deal with that and officials who are controlling the game, but in the case of entire teams it's going to be a  big problem, fans dissapointment will rig everything, and if ever that the management unaware with this and learn about the issue for sure the consequences is reallt big,

There are still players who will not do this stuff, they are true to what they've love, it's tough to generalized but for
sure there are players nd officiating individuals that working behind this kind of business.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lanatsa on March 01, 2021, 11:59:17 PM
I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way
The reality that we should really need get to used to because this is how thing works on this world and everything cant really be perfect.This is a global problem

because people do always love on earning money in all means even its including on risking up their own reputation.It doesn't matter if it hurts their reputation,

they do always focus on how to make money and how it would benefit them without minding on what would be the effects or consequences once get caught.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: dothebeats on March 02, 2021, 12:25:33 AM
This question isn't really too hard to answer. As you have said it, greed makes these people go around and do nefarious stuff with their associated craft, and it's no surprise that some athletes/players do this especially since there's too much money to be had outside of what they are already earning, e.g. match fixing and the likes. Some do it because they really need the money and what they're getting from simply playing isn't enough. They're human, there's no need to further explain or try to give some meaning over their actions.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iv4n on March 02, 2021, 07:34:39 AM
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Serbia 'Dismantles' Soccer-Hooligan Crime Gang
Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-dismantles-soccer-hooligan-crime-gang/31086589.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-dismantles-soccer-hooligan-crime-gang/31086589.html)

This is one of the articles I found in English! The story is much more complicated, this guy (Velja Nevolja - Velja (name) Trouble (nickname)) is accused of killing 15 people, mostly hooligans and Red Star or Partizan supporters! He had a sniper rifle and other firearms hidden in the official club offices... and of course some drugs!
High-ranked officials from both clubs are being accused of having connections with this group!

In my country, there is no sport I think! Maybe until the age of 12-14... there's not a lot of money in that, but over that everything is just money! Managers taking players under their own, and they take them in EU, US, Emirates, or anywhere where is money to work for them! Without them you can't do anything, with them on your back it's like you are a slave! That will never end!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ucy on March 02, 2021, 10:24:46 AM
Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol


I think players could bribe their way up if you don't have a fraud-proof selection process that  is Merit-based. And I think bribery by players will reduce alot if a league (for example) is very competitive, has good incentives, is not rigged, has the right/sufficient rules and the rules are always followed/enforced . That will likely encourage the clubs/teams to go for the most qualified players because they will want to do well and be rewarded


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 02, 2021, 12:39:45 PM
Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.
Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.
The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.
I do not think that is a national issue as that only comes from some people who are not candidates, but they want to know the other people business. They lift that problem to the public just pretending they care about what happens to their people. But after they elect as one man who has power, they forgot that promises and left them behind them without trying to solve that problem. We saw that case, and that is not new to us. The big problem now that needs to fix is how they can survive this pandemic and make sure that their people can get the vaccine.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Johnyz on March 02, 2021, 12:45:37 PM
Corruptions are everywhere, even the well known sports have this kind of issues and some of them was exposed publicly.

Sports are compose of human, and human tends to become more greed and only few succeed to control it. On the other hand, politicians are making moves to control sports and creat projects that didn’t exist at all, this is very popular in my country.  ;D


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Joca97 on March 02, 2021, 12:53:55 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.

Most of the players cant do a thing about if they dont participate in this kind of match they can be either benched or fired,but no one wants to do this because of their sports jobs. Some players even get paid to fix this kind of games so thats a bonus for them. This problem cant just go away like that.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: goaldigger on March 02, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.

Most of the players cant do a thing about if they dont participate in this kind of match they can be either benched or fired,but no one wants to do this because of their sports jobs. Some players even get paid to fix this kind of games so thats a bonus for them. This problem cant just go away like that.
If you play against their rules, you can easily get replaced and that’s why some players are just doing their job despite of their corrupt management since they don’t want to missed the game and they really do love that sports. Corruptions can’t be stop, this has been the big problem since then and I believe it will continue to exist.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fundamentals Of on March 02, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
There is nothing special about corruption and sports. Corruption is everywhere. If it is in sports, then it is no big deal. Remember that corruption is very much present even in religion, wars which mean death to a lot of innocent people, charity even those which are focused on poverty, etc. Those are areas where corruption is least expected but still very rampant.

There is so much money in sports that is why corruption is unavoidable there.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Latviand on March 02, 2021, 01:43:14 PM
That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: justdimin on March 02, 2021, 02:38:51 PM
If you play against their rules, you can easily get replaced and that’s why some players are just doing their job despite of their corrupt management since they don’t want to missed the game and they really do love that sports. Corruptions can’t be stop, this has been the big problem since then and I believe it will continue to exist.
I suppose if a player just doesn't care, they could continue but they can't expose it neither, so let's say you are a good player and they tell you to lose the game, all you can do is decline it but you can't just come public about it or you will probably be killed over it as well but even if you do not get killed you will not be hired by any team at all.

Long story short we are in a situation where we are going to see no player come out and make a news about this, even media will not give this but he can share it on social media if they want to but I am sure that would be very difficult as well. But, we should still try to unreveal it as much as we can as gamblers, when I see something that happens in a team I try to avoid that team as much as I can, and I feel like it is most teams at this point, because it is a lot of money to be made from this and teams need that money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 02, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

This is for real, can't avoid that in every places of the world, gambling mafias are present. They control this market and they are good
to work it without, even sometimes it really obvious but they manage to escape it out and continue.

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Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

Rich people have enough money to play along with mafias, they are willing to take the risk in returned of very decent compensations.

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That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.

Speaking of government, they are not going to involve themselves to something that they'll ain't going to benefits, they are just after with the taxes and all those benefits that they'll going to have allowing this business to facilatate within their jusrisdictions. Aside from that, government will not interfere to any dark side of this inustry unless there's complains about it.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: coolcoinz on March 02, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I'd rather ask why their wages are so incredibly high. For instance, a good specialist in his field, a scientist, a researcher, can make maybe 10k USD a month. Football players make 100k. They're getting so much that it's easy for them to become spoiled. It's especially hard to stay true to your beliefs when you come from a poor country and suddenly advance to a world league.
It's my belief that as long as there's big money in sports, there will be corruption and the governments won't be able to change anything. They can't monitor the flow of cash.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: uneng on March 02, 2021, 08:17:48 PM
That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.
Just one example from where I live: here gambling is forbidden, but government's lottery is allowed and valid for the whole country compete against themselves, so the prizes are huge when they accumulate.
But among so many different gamblers, curiously there are few people who are well known for winning dozens of time on the lottery, including a former congressman who won 12 times within a 1 year period. Facts like this make me stay away from this national gambling. I believe crypto casinos are much more transparent and legit than my national lottery.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: magneto on March 02, 2021, 08:20:20 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

It's unavoidable and barely detectable by the government, let alone enforce some sort of rule.

The problem is much more rampant in countries where sportspeople are poorly remunerated and have to turn to match fixing in order to make an acceptable income. Pakistani cricket seems to be notorious for this.

And that problem won't self-correct until the risk of getting caught is higher than the relative reward that these people get for match-fixing, or that the players involved get legitimately compensated better. No amount of regulation or outlawing will help so long as this illicit sector remains lucrative.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: milewilda on March 02, 2021, 08:59:38 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

It's unavoidable and barely detectable by the government, let alone enforce some sort of rule.

The problem is much more rampant in countries where sportspeople are poorly remunerated and have to turn to match fixing in order to make an acceptable income. Pakistani cricket seems to be notorious for this.

And that problem won't self-correct until the risk of getting caught is higher than the relative reward that these people get for match-fixing, or that the players involved get legitimately compensated better. No amount of regulation or outlawing will help so long as this illicit sector remains lucrative.
It should really be changed off when it comes to penalties or consequences for them to hesitate to do such thing once they've caught.
But basing off with this link Link (https://ngm.com.au/match-fixing-sports-betting-cheating-gambling/#:~:text=The%20penalties%20associated%20with%20match,betting%20outcome%20of%20an%20event)

A maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment is applicable for those who do make out arrangement.Dont know on what would be into those who get involved or the player itself.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bitbunnny on March 02, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
My feeling is that sport is getting more and more corrupted. Although it should be example of high values it often becomes just the opposite. But we have to admit that this is not so strange because more and more money is involved in many professional sports like football, basketball, tennis and others. Sports have become more business than game and that is not good so I think we should get back to basics and that is not going to be easy.
Of course some gamblers play on illicit way on fixed sports matches and similar and sometimes looks that human greed really doesn't have limits.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: darkangel11 on March 02, 2021, 11:00:13 PM
My feeling is that sport is getting more and more corrupted. Although it should be example of high values it often becomes just the opposite. But we have to admit that this is not so strange because more and more money is involved in many professional sports like football, basketball, tennis and others. Sports have become more business than game and that is not good so I think we should get back to basics and that is not going to be easy.
Of course some gamblers play on illicit way on fixed sports matches and similar and sometimes looks that human greed really doesn't have limits.

It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Stedsm on March 02, 2021, 11:26:36 PM
It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.

Corruption is worse than almost anything in this world. I believe that the hunger of money can make any player sell their conscience and play for the people who bought it just because they've bet something big against the odds and want to win it at any cost. There's probably nothing that could move out the greed of a person than his own will not to commit such a thing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AmoreJaz on March 02, 2021, 11:31:54 PM
It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.

Corruption is worse than almost anything in this world. I believe that the hunger of money can make any player sell their conscience and play for the people who bought it just because they've bet something big against the odds and want to win it at any cost. There's probably nothing that could move out the greed of a person than his own will not to commit such a thing.

of course, there are still people that know the importance of dignity and credibility. but there will always be individuals or group that will practice illegal stuffs for the sake of money. it may not be all, but there will always be someone who will corrupt the system one way or another.
if you want to live with clear conscience, it is up to you how you will live your life, whether you are an athlete or the coach.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Stedsm on March 02, 2021, 11:47:34 PM
of course, there are still people that know the importance of dignity and credibility. but there will always be individuals or group that will practice illegal stuffs for the sake of money. it may not be all, but there will always be someone who will corrupt the system one way or another.
if you want to live with clear conscience, it is up to you how you will live your life, whether you are an athlete or the coach.

This doesn't really make any sense unless every single entity in the system becomes clean-hearted and that is almost impossible because the greed of a person can make their hearts go dumb and their minds deaf, so they won't even bear to listen to these things while doing the "bad" thing and hence, this proves that money can buy almost anything.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Rengga Jati on March 02, 2021, 11:52:21 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto.
Can it really happen?
corruption is very difficult to remove, even in sports and also all parties in the government and other institutions. Corruption is like being a lifestyle. Why did I say so?  Because it is like a lifestyle, always developing and will never end. Sad to know this.

Well, related to sports and gambling, some people may also focus on sports and playing bettings from sports. However, will it really far away from corruption?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: roosbit on March 03, 2021, 12:21:03 AM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
Everyone has a price, it doesn't always have to be money, it might be a new gym or anything of that nature which many of our sports men and women signup for as they look at the situation as not losing anything.

And most sports games that are likely to fall prey to this corruption are those from lower leagues as their games don't get much TV coverage as compared to the premiere ones.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Scripture on March 03, 2021, 01:14:33 AM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
Everyone has a price, it doesn't always have to be money, it might be a new gym or anything of that nature which many of our sports men and women signup for as they look at the situation as not losing anything.

And most sports games that are likely to fall prey to this corruption are those from lower leagues as their games don't get much TV coverage as compared to the premiere ones.
As long as there's a money involve, we can't expect the fair game here.
Sports become a haven of money for many investors especially if they fully support a specific team. Most of the club owners are making a lot of money even if they lose the match, corruptions are always be here but I wonder how they are suffering right now especially that live viewers are still limited.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 03, 2021, 02:21:04 AM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
Everyone has a price, it doesn't always have to be money, it might be a new gym or anything of that nature which many of our sports men and women signup for as they look at the situation as not losing anything.

And most sports games that are likely to fall prey to this corruption are those from lower leagues as their games don't get much TV coverage as compared to the premiere ones.
As long as there's a money involve, we can't expect the fair game here.
Sports become a haven of money for many investors especially if they fully support a specific team. Most of the club owners are making a lot of money even if they lose the match, corruptions are always be here but I wonder how they are suffering right now especially that live viewers are still limited.

It is right. That is happening not just in sports, but it is also happening in other businesses or fields. Big money will be the reason for those people to corrupt and take some money from the deal.

The club owner can easily say to the public that they are suffering because they never tell their financial conditions to the public. If they share their financial conditions with the public, that will not be a complete report because they still hide something.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: yazher on March 03, 2021, 04:54:50 AM
My feeling is that sport is getting more and more corrupted. Although it should be example of high values it often becomes just the opposite. But we have to admit that this is not so strange because more and more money is involved in many professional sports like football, basketball, tennis and others. Sports have become more business than game and that is not good so I think we should get back to basics and that is not going to be easy.
Of course some gamblers play on illicit way on fixed sports matches and similar and sometimes looks that human greed really doesn't have limits.

Yeah! we are talking about the main issue here where some certain games are fixed after they calculated all the possible wins. This is why mostly the bet happens before the match and those organizers already have the result after everyone places their bets. This is what they really doing in the sports industry because they cannot afford to lose and to pay everyone who is involved in the game, there has to be some way to get back how much they spent for it and that's the only way by fixing the game before it started.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: danherbias07 on March 03, 2021, 05:37:44 AM
Speaking of government, they are not going to involve themselves to something that they'll ain't going to benefits, they are just after with the taxes and all those benefits that they'll going to have allowing this business to facilatate within their jusrisdictions. Aside from that, government will not interfere to any dark side of this inustry unless there's complains about it.

Taxes are just not enough for them.
They corrupt it but they still want more.
Control over everything and that includes money in their pockets. Directly.  ;D

Just think about it, why would they even spend millions of money for their campaign, advertisements, and people.
They just know they can get it back when they are in position. Putting a stain on everything and sports cannot get away from it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: adzino on March 03, 2021, 07:02:56 AM
Match fixing is something the government can't stop. They can provide more strict laws and everything, but it is still going to happen. But you make it sound like it happens almost in every match. It does happen, but not as often as you think. There is nothing you can or the government can do if the whole organization is corrupted. You don't even need the whole organization to be corrupted. One or two unscrupulous person in the organizations are enough to mess up the whole system.
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 Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
This comparison makes no sense.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 05:03:43 PM
Speaking of government, they are not going to involve themselves to something that they'll ain't going to benefits, they are just after with the taxes and all those benefits that they'll going to have allowing this business to facilatate within their jusrisdictions. Aside from that, government will not interfere to any dark side of this inustry unless there's complains about it.

Taxes are just not enough for them.
They corrupt it but they still want more.
Control over everything and that includes money in their pockets. Directly.  ;D

Just think about it, why would they even spend millions of money for their campaign, advertisements, and people.
They just know they can get it back when they are in position. Putting a stain on everything and sports cannot get away from it.

When it talks about money everything is possible, we can't removed that facts that in real world things happened as money control the most, there's always a right price for doing anything.

Because of greed and hunger with more luxurious benefits, this can't be prevented. There are people who keeps dealing with this, people who are willing t to risk their reputations for the sake of big benefits, they've been bought by a huge amount of money just to continue facilitating everything.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 03, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
Match fixing is something the government can't stop. They can provide more strict laws and everything, but it is still going to happen. But you make it sound like it happens almost in every match. It does happen, but not as often as you think. There is nothing you can or the government can do if the whole organization is corrupted. You don't even need the whole organization to be corrupted. One or two unscrupulous person in the organizations are enough to mess up the whole system.
This is true, just a couple of people that's behind the corruption in sports event then it can proceed according to what they've planned. But not all sports are organized by the government, they cannot stop it but the highest or the organization head can put sanctions or at least reduce its proliferation by giving hard punishments to those that will be proven to be involved in match fixing. They can ban those who will be involved and that will scare others who haven't thought of stopping it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: fullhdpixel on March 03, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way
Eventually, any player who is involved in a sport is looking to earn money and there are a lot of expectations from the family and sometimes when they see an easy opportunity to make some quick money, they just fell for it.

Are you telling that India had 20 million professional cricket players till now or there are 20 million players playing matches and if that the latter is true it is a huge number of players and do you have the infrastructure to allocate these players as county matches will not accumulate millions of players and how many county teams are there in India. My guess is that you have the numbers wrong, i know the population i huge but to have 20 million professional players is a huge number.
Cricket is just too popular in India and yes there might not be 20 million players who actually aim to play the sport at the highest level but it's possible that 20 million people are actively following and playing the sport.

Like in some countries soccer is taken very seriously and youth play the sport but doesn't always mean that they are aiming to play for their country or big clubs.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: acquafredda on March 03, 2021, 07:02:07 PM
In Italy we have already had the worst scandal of the 21 century named Calciopoli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciopoli
It went so bad that, for example, Juventus went to Serie B with -9 points! They were lucky because probably Serie C (third italian league) would have been more just.
And look, before Calciopoli, I was a Juventus fan: I watched the next Serie B championship and stop supporting Juventus after that.
I was left like a baby without a toy.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Oilacris on March 03, 2021, 09:58:47 PM
Match fixing is something the government can't stop. They can provide more strict laws and everything, but it is still going to happen. But you make it sound like it happens almost in every match. It does happen, but not as often as you think. There is nothing you can or the government can do if the whole organization is corrupted. You don't even need the whole organization to be corrupted. One or two unscrupulous person in the organizations are enough to mess up the whole system.

Actually right on what you had said because no matter how strict they would be implementing it out but doesnt mean that they would completely get rid of it.It will surely exist no matter what and do they believe that
those organizations arent aware on those consequences if they get caught? Of course they are fully aware with that.

This is why even others do see that the game was fair but actually there is something behind happening which cant really be tell even if you are really an experienced sports bettor or fan.

Government cant detect out which one is rigged and which one is a normal game.Corruption would be still a global problem in all sorts of ways not only limiting out on sports alone.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 04, 2021, 02:45:15 AM
That is interesting, I have never seen anything close to that in my country, it seems that maybe fixing matches is something common where you live and it needs to be eradicated, this concerns not only casinos that have huge losses because of it, this also concerns the sport itself, after all we watch sports in order to see individuals or teams going at each other with the best that they have, if this is no longer the case and the matches are fixed then there is no reason to watch sports anymore.

Perhaps, that will not appear in the public, and it is hidden from that, and only a few people know about the fixing matches. But I guess that some sportsmen do that in the dark place without anyone knows.

Yes, that needs to eradicated from his country and also the other country, but that needs all aspects in that country and hard work from all officers, not just the government, the sportsmen, but it is also for the sports organization. So that will not easy and needs a long time before people can see the sports will clean from the corruption.
It depends on your perspective, we known that match fixing exist and probably happens on all leagues, sports and countries, but if a league becomes famous for fixing matches, even if those matches are a minority, then there is no point anymore to watch sports at all, as I said fair competition is the principle in which all sports are based, both opponents have to abide by the same rules and if this is not the case anymore then the reason for holding the competition at all is completely denied.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ararbermas on March 04, 2021, 03:22:02 AM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.

Most of this is happening in boxing where we don't really know how it works and sometimes it is not obvious. we will just see one day that the fight was fixed by hearing it from the fighters who fought in the ring. you can see the example with this fight and they agreed the fight was indeed fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smHkN2ZpFWo
definitely only this sports (BOXING) is the one which very obvious when it comes corrupting people in my opinion .. Because even though it's very clear who's gonna win the match at the end, the people behind the event always decided a unacceptable decision. Which can turn the crowd and fans to become crazy as hell.. Actually even some of the legendary boxers such Manny Pacquiao wherein have been passionated when it comes this sport and always put his best to give fans a good fight.. But what happened? He's also not exempted! Even though it's very clear he won the fight..


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 04, 2021, 05:17:18 AM
That is interesting, I have never seen anything close to that in my country, it seems that maybe fixing matches is something common where you live and it needs to be eradicated, this concerns not only casinos that have huge losses because of it, this also concerns the sport itself, after all we watch sports in order to see individuals or teams going at each other with the best that they have, if this is no longer the case and the matches are fixed then there is no reason to watch sports anymore.

Perhaps, that will not appear in the public, and it is hidden from that, and only a few people know about the fixing matches. But I guess that some sportsmen do that in the dark place without anyone knows.

Yes, that needs to eradicated from his country and also the other country, but that needs all aspects in that country and hard work from all officers, not just the government, the sportsmen, but it is also for the sports organization. So that will not easy and needs a long time before people can see the sports will clean from the corruption.
It depends on your perspective, we known that match fixing exist and probably happens on all leagues, sports and countries, but if a league becomes famous for fixing matches, even if those matches are a minority, then there is no point anymore to watch sports at all, as I said fair competition is the principle in which all sports are based, both opponents have to abide by the same rules and if this is not the case anymore then the reason for holding the competition at all is completely denied.

They will arrange that match fixing will not be shown to the public and will still hide things because they do not want to make the public suspicious and investigate it. They also give money to people inside that circle to shut their mouth, so they don't tell the public, making the secret be saved.

The public itself is not trying to think about corruption because they only want to enjoy the game. Even perhaps, the team will not know if the corruption is around them, which will not impact their performance.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: plr on March 04, 2021, 06:27:15 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

There's corruption everywhere and more so in the gambling industry, it's all about making money and the easiest and fast way to make money from corrupt people in sports is through, game-fixing what these officials and p[layers can make in a year, they can make in just one game, they will try to find a way to fix games, they even go to the extent of threatening players.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 04, 2021, 02:52:20 PM
No one in this world will say no to money because we are doing everything to make that money and politics in sports and games are present in every country. So people will skills got rejected due to their colour, religion, etc even in the Olympic selection most of the corrupted nation send ineligible candidate for participating in the world arena.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mauser on March 04, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
No one in this world will say no to money because we are doing everything to make that money and politics in sports and games are present in every country. So people will skills got rejected due to their colour, religion, etc even in the Olympic selection most of the corrupted nation send ineligible candidate for participating in the world arena.

Money definitely plays a big role in sports, but so does reliability and sinceretity. In today's world everybody has a cell phone with a good camera which makes proofing shady businesses happing in sports much easier. While it can go very fast to accept payments for a certain outcome in a game, the risks of being exposed these days is much higher. And so are the hidden costs. Once there is a video of corruption being published it will never go away, the Internet doesn't forget. So losing your job for a onetime pay check is a very risky.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 04, 2021, 03:21:23 PM
Corruption and sports and now even e-sports have become familiar to each other.

There are several instances where some individuals will sell a match for small amounts of money, as you can see here how a growing team threw away a game in such a bizarre manner that a streamer said "If this match is not fixed, I will eat shit on stream" and it was quite obvious why he said that, because the game was actually fixed and in the manner they lost, was quite egregious.

You can read more about it HERE (https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/f5lz7y/xiao8_if_this_match_is_not_fixed_i_will_eat_shit/).

There are other instances as well but another instance of match fixing happening at high level is HERE  (https://www.dailyesports.gg/rogue-warriors-fined-over-400k-for-match-fixing-in-lpl/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=d2037a04aa612f2eaa339983f244cb7523edd350-1614673549-0-ATP3KluaB9v2ggwHjuFOMSRY591DCIYGA2WC0iyd69NvOg2kDysFiWGaQ6QXi7PMXHWNDPcinfT_2C3GhMJFbmG44r_vbbm3_buvdB6l-PxmuK1MN4IzQXwWskPi5PDxP6b2c4zTZJBncvOq1PG3ab0k8e1cZvkJ0CkrwrPPz6xbfGjjhJj2kGS1Es4WT1Lgpk5calOOknkPlRMZSjVazZstV36FUV2dwYHy6AvfSmHoxXYBcRcn2OdSfy-FkHtccJ--sfmz-0aZ4xrDdEVeKmNc4FkNcIAFbw1jHwBP7hDaqHyw8merKd8zgbPXVD3WNP1-BOt4DfAxLIuBxycWENfoRXkfyWMGgpcKjzAi-MNwKDFxMzQ1hJ_weVfBom_iDA) and for those who don't know LPL is one of the biggest leagues in LOL esports.

In regular sports, match-fixing is often not as obvious because the players doing it are mature and very experienced so there aren't as many obvious cases. But even then some are caught and although no clear evidence, I almost agree on this one HERE  (https://lastwordonsports.com/2015/11/07/curious-case-fernando-verdascos-odds/)exposing Verdasco.

Nothing can be done about it and as a gambler I am not too worried because at times maybe the match is fixed towards my side fortunately ;D.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 04, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
No one in this world will say no to money because we are doing everything to make that money and politics in sports and games are present in every country. So people will skills got rejected due to their colour, religion, etc even in the Olympic selection most of the corrupted nation send ineligible candidate for participating in the world arena.

Money definitely plays a big role in sports, but so does reliability and sinceretity. In today's world everybody has a cell phone with a good camera which makes proofing shady businesses happing in sports much easier. While it can go very fast to accept payments for a certain outcome in a game, the risks of being exposed these days is much higher. And so are the hidden costs. Once there is a video of corruption being published it will never go away, the Internet doesn't forget. So losing your job for a onetime pay check is a very risky.
Match fixing can be noticed but people who are behind will never be exposed because that is going to be the agreement between the players and the one who pays money to the player.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: carlisle1 on March 04, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
Corruption and sports and now even e-sports have become familiar to each other.

There are several instances where some individuals will sell a match for small amounts of money, as you can see here how a growing team threw away a game in such a bizarre manner that a streamer said "If this match is not fixed, I will eat shit on stream" and it was quite obvious why he said that, because the game was actually fixed and in the manner they lost, was quite egregious.

You can read more about it HERE (https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/f5lz7y/xiao8_if_this_match_is_not_fixed_i_will_eat_shit/).

There are other instances as well but another instance of match fixing happening at high level is HERE  (https://www.dailyesports.gg/rogue-warriors-fined-over-400k-for-match-fixing-in-lpl/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=d2037a04aa612f2eaa339983f244cb7523edd350-1614673549-0-ATP3KluaB9v2ggwHjuFOMSRY591DCIYGA2WC0iyd69NvOg2kDysFiWGaQ6QXi7PMXHWNDPcinfT_2C3GhMJFbmG44r_vbbm3_buvdB6l-PxmuK1MN4IzQXwWskPi5PDxP6b2c4zTZJBncvOq1PG3ab0k8e1cZvkJ0CkrwrPPz6xbfGjjhJj2kGS1Es4WT1Lgpk5calOOknkPlRMZSjVazZstV36FUV2dwYHy6AvfSmHoxXYBcRcn2OdSfy-FkHtccJ--sfmz-0aZ4xrDdEVeKmNc4FkNcIAFbw1jHwBP7hDaqHyw8merKd8zgbPXVD3WNP1-BOt4DfAxLIuBxycWENfoRXkfyWMGgpcKjzAi-MNwKDFxMzQ1hJ_weVfBom_iDA) and for those who don't know LPL is one of the biggest leagues in LOL esports.

In regular sports, match-fixing is often not as obvious because the players doing it are mature and very experienced so there aren't as many obvious cases. But even then some are caught and although no clear evidence, I almost agree on this one HERE  (https://lastwordonsports.com/2015/11/07/curious-case-fernando-verdascos-odds/)exposing Verdasco.

Nothing can be done about it and as a gambler I am not too worried because at times maybe the match is fixed towards my side fortunately ;D.


For real! I like that statement so I bolded it, who knows, as gambler we do hope for luck as even we do understand the game this kind of illegal activities behind each games are unavoidable.
There are many ways of fixing matches and we can't really say which one is the one being ruined, though there are many rumors about this but
nothing has been proven and exposed.
Match fixers got a strong foundation and knowledge in each activities that they'll going to rigged, they are master in what business they've take
inside the only hope is riding with them and collect the sweet cash!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: acquafredda on March 04, 2021, 06:13:53 PM
Nothing can be done about it and as a gambler I am not too worried because at times maybe the match is fixed towards my side fortunately ;D.
We cannot say you have not been honest here! ;D
On the other hand, when the match fixing is on the side of your bet trust me that is very nasty.
Once I bet on an Italian Serie C game (third league) and after more than one year it was discovered that it was a fixed game.
That was the only game I missed in a huge 10 games betslip and that costed me more than €500!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: qwertyup23 on March 04, 2021, 08:08:45 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

This reminded me of an incident which happened several years ago in e-sports where in CSGO, the teams involved resulted into a match fixing.

Thousands of players loss their bets on the stronger team as most players expected them to win. When the underdog won the match, the game was investigated due to a poor concealment done by the stronger team. It was then decided that the game involved match fixing and the players involved were ban in competitive gaming in the CSGO scene.

Match fixing can be brutal to the bettors. Your only remedy against such is when the officials themselves discover the fixing but it can be definitely difficult to prove.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mahanton on March 04, 2021, 09:23:40 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

This reminded me of an incident which happened several years ago in e-sports where in CSGO, the teams involved resulted into a match fixing.

Thousands of players loss their bets on the stronger team as most players expected them to win. When the underdog won the match, the game was investigated due to a poor concealment done by the stronger team. It was then decided that the game involved match fixing and the players involved were ban in competitive gaming in the CSGO scene.

Match fixing can be brutal to the bettors. Your only remedy against such is when the officials themselves discover the fixing but it can be definitely difficult to prove.
Proving out matches which are fixed are really hard to spot on or able to know if its happening unless if there are people whom do make out leaks then they would probably
able to testify it out specially if this one involves in e-sports where everyone could really have that presumption that it might really be just a bad day for the team on
where they had been beaten out by low tier teams.Of course, no one would really be anticipating for high chances of beat up but upsets do legitimately happen
but only on rare case scenario and not really on a common day.Match fixing is always been there but its really hard to recognize it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: abderrazak belkhir on March 04, 2021, 09:49:39 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
this could be very possible, i watch a lot of football and i gamble on it, i have seen a lot of suspicious plays, like players missing some really easy goals and stuff like that, fixing matches can be something that happens a lot, a lot of gamblers are a victim of that and they don't even know it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ryker1 on March 04, 2021, 10:07:08 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
this could be very possible, i watch a lot of football and i gamble on it, i have seen a lot of suspicious plays, like players missing some really easy goals and stuff like that, fixing matches can be something that happens a lot, a lot of gamblers are a victim of that and they don't even know it.
Well, not even in football, even though in basketball you can see obvious manipulations per matches just to have further matches in a series game.
To gain more money on each game they need to do this because sportsmen need the money and that is why they are on that career even though they know how risky it is just because of money. In order to extend the series game, it can be manipulated the result to have more audience, --more audience will make more money for them, so the bettors here were always fooled on the trap if there is manipulation on each game knowing that only sportsmen will have more benefits. Indeed, corruption is everywhere, not only in politics, in a business, and also in sports gambling industry.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ecnalubma on March 04, 2021, 10:09:23 PM
Any type of sports can be easily corrupted, some players are easily tempted to this bad activity taking it as their side income. The only reason why they get involve into this is greed, because they are not contented with their payout. Players doing this are putting their career on danger and once they’re caught they might lose their profession.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Natalim on March 04, 2021, 10:12:41 PM
Any type of sports can be easily corrupted, some players are easily tempted to this bad activity taking it as their side income. The only reason why they get involve into this is greed, because they are not contented with their payout. Players doing this are putting their career on danger and once they’re caught they might lose their profession.
That's easy to expect since by nature humans are greedy.

With the ease to gamble in sports, all these things are possible as it's easy money when you know what game are going to be rig since it gives almost 100% guarantee that you'll win, but of course those with influence are the ones usually doing this and players which are risking to commit a crime for the sake of making easy money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 04, 2021, 10:15:00 PM
It's happening in sports, that's why we hear the words "rigged" , because sports can be rigged so majority of the bettors will lose. As a gambler, I think we should be aware of that so we would know where to bet, some sports are not too obvious but it's happening inside.
this could be very possible, i watch a lot of football and i gamble on it, i have seen a lot of suspicious plays, like players missing some really easy goals and stuff like that, fixing matches can be something that happens a lot, a lot of gamblers are a victim of that and they don't even know it.

They'll find it out after losing their bets, gamblers who are betting before the game start are mostly victims, as they are not aware on what will happened along the way.

Underdogs are being used by match fixers, it's an easy money pocketing since most of the time bettors relied with their research, thinking that the team or players that they are betting with have a much higher chance to win the game, unknowingly that they've been trick and the game was settled behind before the match even started. It's really happening even we can't provide any evidence but understanding the game you'll see the big difference with teams who are playing seriously.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Boov on March 04, 2021, 11:32:23 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Most sports athletes is in poverty, that why they would grab certain chance to earn bigger money instead of honor. This is really happening in reality, I don't say it's general thing on them but the system of money making goes like that. We can't stop corruption because it's been practiced for so long and their lives change due to greediness.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: coolcoinz on March 05, 2021, 01:06:04 AM
Any type of sports can be easily corrupted, some players are easily tempted to this bad activity taking it as their side income. The only reason why they get involve into this is greed, because they are not contented with their payout. Players doing this are putting their career on danger and once they’re caught they might lose their profession.

You're right but the question is, is it getting better or worse because we know the problem exists for centuries. I feel like we see much less of it than we did in the 70s or 80s. It's easy to test competitors for drugs and it's not like you can throw a match easily with all the cameras watching you from different angles. Digital banking also makes it harder to hide some sudden changes in income.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 05, 2021, 04:32:39 AM
I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way
The reality that we should really need get to used to because this is how thing works on this world and everything cant really be perfect.This is a global problem

because people do always love on earning money in all means even its including on risking up their own reputation.It doesn't matter if it hurts their reputation,

they do always focus on how to make money and how it would benefit them without minding on what would be the effects or consequences once get caught.
Exactly @Lanatsa, I agree with you. Unfortunately sometimes money corrupts the person, no matter who he is, player, politician, businessmen and others.
Please, I'm not saying that ALL people are corrupt, but maybe, they can be


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Saisher on March 05, 2021, 06:13:42 AM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

The one taking to fix the games are those weak players who have uncertainty on their future and income in the sports they are in, they want big and fast money because there is no uncertainty, on their future, these kinds of players are easy prey to corrupt gamblers who can easily bribe their target.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 05, 2021, 08:25:57 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

The one taking to fix the games are those weak players who have uncertainty on their future and income in the sports they are in, they want big and fast money because there is no uncertainty, on their future, these kinds of players are easy prey to corrupt gamblers who can easily bribe their target.

We don't know their reason to do that thing, but greediness will be the things we might know. But the famous player can become greedy, especially if they get offers a lot of money and some expensive product. If that is related to money, I think many people will be tempted by money, and they will not think twice to deny it because it can change their lives for the better. Corruption and sports will still happen, but we don't know how it can happen because they will hide their activity.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ultrloa on March 05, 2021, 10:21:28 AM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

The one taking to fix the games are those weak players who have uncertainty on their future and income in the sports they are in, they want big and fast money because there is no uncertainty, on their future, these kinds of players are easy prey to corrupt gamblers who can easily bribe their target.
There's big money involve on this that's why many players or officials are tied up with this activities and also the one who do will not care if there activities are illegal since if there's a big money will possibly accumulated well they will grab it. and I disagree that they are weak since I think they are smart since imagine how big they can earn with that and also they manage to hide for so long their activities without bettors noticing it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: slaman29 on March 05, 2021, 11:54:02 AM
You're right but the question is, is it getting better or worse because we know the problem exists for centuries. I feel like we see much less of it than we did in the 70s or 80s. It's easy to test competitors for drugs and it's not like you can throw a match easily with all the cameras watching you from different angles. Digital banking also makes it harder to hide some sudden changes in income.

Actually in the modern game it's easier to test but it's also getting more complicated for athletes to watch their diets now. How many cases in the past have we had including for greats like Messi. Taking some herbal tea even makes it possible to somehow take a banned substance.

Now you can't throw matches easily on the big stage but that makes it all the more easy for corruption to inch into smaller stages where there aren't a thousand different cameras:)


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kasabus on March 05, 2021, 01:37:42 PM
You're right but the question is, is it getting better or worse because we know the problem exists for centuries. I feel like we see much less of it than we did in the 70s or 80s. It's easy to test competitors for drugs and it's not like you can throw a match easily with all the cameras watching you from different angles. Digital banking also makes it harder to hide some sudden changes in income.

Actually in the modern game it's easier to test but it's also getting more complicated for athletes to watch their diets now. How many cases in the past have we had including for greats like Messi. Taking some herbal tea even makes it possible to somehow take a banned substance.

Now you can't throw matches easily on the big stage but that makes it all the more easy for corruption to inch into smaller stages where there aren't a thousand different cameras:)

Cameras won't help a lot if the intention is really to rig the games, we will only know if we can read the mind of the players. In sports, point shaving is very popular and it's not easy to detect who are doing this among the players.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jaberwock on March 05, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.
This happens more frequently and on a larger scale than we might even think. Someone who follows cricket and selections very closely, I have seen this happen countless times where a good and performing player is not given enough chances while the son of a former player or friend of the captain is being selected despite poor results and performances.

It's not worth taking names but you can see it in almost every sport. In sports like tennis it's less evident because there is certainly no selection process I believe and you perform on tour matches and get points to play at the higher levels.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
That's because everyone wants more money, even the richest man on earth wants to earn more despite knowing that if even he throws away his money he can't actually spend it. There are players who will never let the integrity of the sports let down but there are some for whom money is the only reason they are even playing the sport.

I think athletes who love their sport are less likely to tank matches as compared to athletes who aren't into the sports as much as they are into making money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: oHnK on March 05, 2021, 02:49:20 PM
Cameras won't help a lot if the intention is really to rig the games, we will only know if we can read the mind of the players. In sports, point shaving is very popular and it's not easy to detect who are doing this among the players.
You are right, let alone there are cameras and even the police watching directly if it is a human being who has no brains, corruption will still occur.  Sport and corruption seem very friendly, and this is happening in my country.  Even this is like a devilish vortex because there are many talented people in my country drowning because of the dark corruption in the world of sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: acquafredda on March 05, 2021, 06:21:17 PM
After reading this thread I started digging this subject. Did you know that the first documented case of corruption in History happened at the Olympic Games of 388 B.C.  :o
The athlete Eupolos of Thessalia successfully bribed three of his competitors in the fist combat tournament and among them there was the reigning Olympic champion Phormion of Halikarnassos.
If you want to know more see below
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wolfgang-Maennig/publication/228268742_Corruption_in_International_Sports_and_Sport_Management_Forms_Tendencies_Extent_and_Countermeasures/links/569f831208aee4d26ad26300/Corruption-in-International-Sports-and-Sport-Management-Forms-Tendencies-Extent-and-Countermeasures.pdf


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Renampun on March 05, 2021, 06:30:53 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
This is what is called the control of money...
corruption in sports opens up new things, it has been going on for a long time even since the Roman era. sportsmen are just human beings who need money, so inevitably they have to obey the words/wishes of those who have money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: cabalism13 on March 05, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
This is what is called the control of money...
corruption in sports opens up new things, it has been going on for a long time even since the Roman era. sportsmen are just human beings who need money, so inevitably they have to obey the words/wishes of those who have money.
quite a normal thing especially on boxing and wrestling though I really don't consider wrestling a sports lol ( just a freakin' show if you ask me )
I remember back then when I was a kid, I was with my uncle and suddenly talks with a random men about betting and yes it was a fixed fight ( cockfight ) the other cock was injected by some drugs and felt weak.
And that was the reason my uncle gather some money on that day.
it really is about money, and nothing can ever change that fact.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 05, 2021, 09:35:01 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
This is what is called the control of money...
corruption in sports opens up new things, it has been going on for a long time even since the Roman era. sportsmen are just human beings who need money, so inevitably they have to obey the words/wishes of those who have money.
quite a normal thing especially on boxing and wrestling though I really don't consider wrestling a sports lol ( just a freakin' show if you ask me )
I remember back then when I was a kid, I was with my uncle and suddenly talks with a random men about betting and yes it was a fixed fight ( cockfight ) the other cock was injected by some drugs and felt weak.
And that was the reason my uncle gather some money on that day.
it really is about money, and nothing can ever change that fact.

At the expense of the cock, this is animal cruelty, I don't know why cock fighting is popular in some countries, and more so they are hurting the cock just for them to make money, I don't like that kind of behavior though, I better see a fix sports (actual sports) that the one you witnessed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: cabalism13 on March 05, 2021, 09:44:41 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
This is what is called the control of money...
corruption in sports opens up new things, it has been going on for a long time even since the Roman era. sportsmen are just human beings who need money, so inevitably they have to obey the words/wishes of those who have money.
quite a normal thing especially on boxing and wrestling though I really don't consider wrestling a sports lol ( just a freakin' show if you ask me )
I remember back then when I was a kid, I was with my uncle and suddenly talks with a random men about betting and yes it was a fixed fight ( cockfight ) the other cock was injected by some drugs and felt weak.
And that was the reason my uncle gather some money on that day.
it really is about money, and nothing can ever change that fact.

At the expense of the cock, this is animal cruelty, I don't know why cock fighting is popular in some countries, and more so they are hurting the cock just for them to make money, I don't like that kind of behavior though, I better see a fix sports (actual sports) that the one you witnessed.
Here in my country it is still popular and I think such kind of habit ( fixing the games ) is still running, by the way in this part the losing cock will get to be slaughtered and a part of the reward of the winner. Sad but true, and besides AFAIK there is still an underground market where BULLDOGS gets  to fight each other, just like on the movies, and yes still have some sort of gambling in that game. People just don't know how to be happy with just themselves, (sigh)


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kasabus on March 05, 2021, 09:58:09 PM
Sad but true, and besides AFAIK there is still an underground market where BULLDOGS gets  to fight each other, just like on the movies, and yes still have some sort of gambling in that game. People just don't know how to be happy with just themselves, (sigh)
I guess this one is unacceptable, I get that cock fighting is allowed as it's already part of the culture and there's no animal rights for chicken, but these are dogs, they are man's bestfriend, they should no be allowed fighting each other, report it mate and help the government get these criminals. Me, I can't imagine watching this kind of fight and even bet on it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: johhnyUA on March 05, 2021, 10:21:24 PM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: molsewid on March 05, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

Maybe a sad but this was a reality that sometimes every game especially a high valued game was been manipulated and corruption in sports couldn't be avoided. And yes its true that even the players were involved for fixing a game and it was all because of the money involve or the greediness of those people behind the scummy services. I couldn't think of how its gonna be prevented because as a human nature, as long as the call of needs and wants hunts the greedy people wouldn't change for good.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 06, 2021, 04:09:09 AM

Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

Maybe a sad but this was a reality that sometimes every game especially a high valued game was been manipulated and corruption in sports couldn't be avoided. And yes its true that even the players were involved for fixing a game and it was all because of the money involve or the greediness of those people behind the scummy services. I couldn't think of how its gonna be prevented because as a human nature, as long as the call of needs and wants hunts the greedy people wouldn't change for good.

Greed is human nature, so it is hard to avoid these circumstances. There will always be the bad guy here. They have their own reasons why they choose to do this kind of dirty game. And no one can prevent it from happening because that's the way it is. We can't totally eradicate this bad behaviour in the sports industry.

We have greed, but we also have a chance to prevent greed become bigger by controlling ourselves not to chase more than we already got, especially if we don't have much chance to get it more. Related to the sportsmen, I think if they can control themselves and realizes that the money is from people who do corruption, they should not accept it, and even they must stay away from those people. They don't deserve to get that problem, especially if they already got money from that sport. It is difficult to eradicate that thing, and I am afraid that is also happening in the other fields.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Reatim on March 06, 2021, 05:04:14 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto.
i think that is Politician and not Governments? but Good to hear from you that you have corrupt government lol.
Promising everything just to fool you in election day.
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Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.
accept it that there are also Vote Buying happening right?
so expect they will win on that way.
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Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
I think this points are valid only in basketball and not the whole sports community right?
Because i heard about this and i even talk to one key player and he admit that some time he had received huge offers just to bring down the game.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: VanityWallets2015 on March 06, 2021, 06:09:52 AM
Well generally they say that they will eliminate corruption but mostly in the government but not in sports.
I think sports corruption in your country is sever since it's been discussed in the election campaign and one of the things to consider solving.
Well corruption is everywhere and no surprise that even in sports there's a corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sanitough on March 06, 2021, 09:23:58 AM
Well generally they say that they will eliminate corruption but mostly in the government but not in sports.
I agree with that as usually sports are private, hence it involves private funds but in government, that's people's money and that should be the main responsibility of the government to protect the people's money.

I think sports corruption in your country is sever since it's been discussed in the election campaign and one of the things to consider solving.
Well corruption is everywhere and no surprise that even in sports there's a corruption.
And it will not be solve since greedy people will remain and I don't read any news that a certain sports is suspended due to correction. It means this is just an isolated one.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 06, 2021, 02:44:30 PM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Not key players but low salary players are likely to get involve in game fixing, if you are a high profile players who still has many years to play and earn big bucks, I don't think you will involve yourself to game fixing, there are game fixing because there are syndicate that can offer big amounts of money to players who cannot earn what these syndicate can offer.

it most happened with key players, as huge money is involve coming from mafias who are dealing with this business.

You can't remove the fact that key players are really influenced the tempo of the game, with them participated with game fixing it
surely gives the sysdicate a sure win.

Profits flowing from side to side of the gambling business, it exist but mostly not being proven.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: StartupAnalyst on March 06, 2021, 07:01:13 PM
Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

 
Now you can see bookmakers' advertisements everywhere. Because they pay a lot. Last year there was a resonance because one of the Premier League clubs advertised a bookmaker, namely 1xbet. I think you've heard of it. Although they have no licenses and it was founded by former police officers from Russia. They now live in Cyprus because they have criminal cases against them in Russia. But this has no effect on the bookmaker's operations.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Oilacris on March 06, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.
Now you can see bookmakers' advertisements everywhere. Because they pay a lot. Last year there was a resonance because one of the Premier League clubs advertised a bookmaker, namely 1xbet. I think you've heard of it. Although they have no licenses and it was founded by former police officers from Russia. They now live in Cyprus because they have criminal cases against them in Russia. But this has no effect on the bookmaker's operations.
And this is why we do still see this thing up to this day in spite of those issues that 1xbet has. Someone does have the protection and it cant really be simply taken down as long it does have that kind of treatment.

Corruption is always been a pain in the ass common reality on this world.For those who can really bribe out then they are  the ones who would really have an advantage on things.

Sportsmen involved on match fixing? This isnt something new anymore.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 07, 2021, 05:35:44 AM
Corruption and sports and now even e-sports have become familiar to each other.

There are several instances where some individuals will sell a match for small amounts of money, as you can see here how a growing team threw away a game in such a bizarre manner that a streamer said "If this match is not fixed, I will eat shit on stream" and it was quite obvious why he said that, because the game was actually fixed and in the manner they lost, was quite egregious.

You can read more about it HERE (https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/f5lz7y/xiao8_if_this_match_is_not_fixed_i_will_eat_shit/).

There are other instances as well but another instance of match fixing happening at high level is HERE  (https://www.dailyesports.gg/rogue-warriors-fined-over-400k-for-match-fixing-in-lpl/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=d2037a04aa612f2eaa339983f244cb7523edd350-1614673549-0-ATP3KluaB9v2ggwHjuFOMSRY591DCIYGA2WC0iyd69NvOg2kDysFiWGaQ6QXi7PMXHWNDPcinfT_2C3GhMJFbmG44r_vbbm3_buvdB6l-PxmuK1MN4IzQXwWskPi5PDxP6b2c4zTZJBncvOq1PG3ab0k8e1cZvkJ0CkrwrPPz6xbfGjjhJj2kGS1Es4WT1Lgpk5calOOknkPlRMZSjVazZstV36FUV2dwYHy6AvfSmHoxXYBcRcn2OdSfy-FkHtccJ--sfmz-0aZ4xrDdEVeKmNc4FkNcIAFbw1jHwBP7hDaqHyw8merKd8zgbPXVD3WNP1-BOt4DfAxLIuBxycWENfoRXkfyWMGgpcKjzAi-MNwKDFxMzQ1hJ_weVfBom_iDA) and for those who don't know LPL is one of the biggest leagues in LOL esports.

In regular sports, match-fixing is often not as obvious because the players doing it are mature and very experienced so there aren't as many obvious cases. But even then some are caught and although no clear evidence, I almost agree on this one HERE  (https://lastwordonsports.com/2015/11/07/curious-case-fernando-verdascos-odds/)exposing Verdasco.

Nothing can be done about it and as a gambler I am not too worried because at times maybe the match is fixed towards my side fortunately ;D.
And just as there is match fixing there is also cheating and this is incredibly difficult to avoid especially in e-sports, there have been many scandals of players using hacks that allows them to get information that will be otherwise impossible for them to know and take advantage while they are playing to outright modifications of the game code so they can get an unfair advantage over other players, it seems they do not realize that the more they cheat the less reason people have to actually watch them play anymore.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on March 07, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
Corruption has invaded all spheres of our life and sports is no exception because a lot of money is made in this area. The saddest thing is that if an athlete refuses to cooperate with his superiors according to his ideological principles, he will simply be replaced by another and his career will be ruined. So I'm not surprised that some athlete is advertising a shady casino.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: FIFA worldcup on March 07, 2021, 07:30:32 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

No matter how hard any government will try to eliminate the corruption in sports, they can simply cannot put it to a complete stop. There are many ways of corruption on the sports like giving your near dear ones opportunities to represent for your country when there are better talent avaible. Also fixed matches are the result of corruption in sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Vaskiy on March 07, 2021, 07:46:41 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

No matter how hard any government will try to eliminate the corruption in sports, they can simply cannot put it to a complete stop. There are many ways of corruption on the sports like giving your near dear ones opportunities to represent for your country when there are better talent avaible. Also fixed matches are the result of corruption in sports.
Governments are the core element behind corruption, because it starts from the top order. Maybe a politician or someone in high profile using his influence will give way for an average player get elected into the team. The first mistake further keeps disturbing the entire system, and finally the scenario gets a transition that ability can't give you opportunity. Money and ability altogether will give you opportunity. This needs to change and it is in the hands of government in my view.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on March 07, 2021, 07:53:53 AM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Most people are very greedy, man. So i don't see here any reason to be surprised. Top payed sportsmen are often promote some scummy services or even shady casinos, because of money (this is in post USSR countries, where law is doesn't work). And as i see now, in normal countries this happens constantly too. Because of greed.

No matter how hard any government will try to eliminate the corruption in sports, they can simply cannot put it to a complete stop. There are many ways of corruption on the sports like giving your near dear ones opportunities to represent for your country when there are better talent avaible. Also fixed matches are the result of corruption in sports.
Governments are the core element behind corruption, because it starts from the top order. Maybe a politician or someone in high profile using his influence will give way for an average player get elected into the team. The first mistake further keeps disturbing the entire system, and finally the scenario gets a transition that ability can't give you opportunity. Money and ability altogether will give you opportunity. This needs to change and it is in the hands of government in my view.

And unfortunately, I don't think the situation will change anytime soon. This is already like innate to the system. Since the beginning of human history, corruption was already there, it may be in different form but already a part of our history. What we can do in this situation, is don't be a part of it if you already know that something wrong is going on. If you can't change them, at least don't let yourself eaten by the system.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Wawa2013 on March 07, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
Corruption has invaded all spheres of our life and sports is no exception because a lot of money is made in this area. The saddest thing is that if an athlete refuses to cooperate with his superiors according to his ideological principles, he will simply be replaced by another and his career will be ruined. So I'm not surprised that some athlete is advertising a shady casino.

The sad fact that corruption has become a part of human life, this all started from uncontrollable greed. There are very many cases of corruption
occurring in the world of sports in various countries around the world. Moreover, sports gambling can be a source of income for some corruptors.
By adjusting the referee's decision or even paying some athletes in order to fix the result of the match. It is annoying to know that corruptors have
damaged sportsmanship in the world of sports. The crime of corruptors must be given the heaviest punishment.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mauser on March 07, 2021, 08:08:51 AM
Corruption has invaded all spheres of our life and sports is no exception because a lot of money is made in this area. The saddest thing is that if an athlete refuses to cooperate with his superiors according to his ideological principles, he will simply be replaced by another and his career will be ruined. So I'm not surprised that some athlete is advertising a shady casino.

The sad fact that corruption has become a part of human life, this all started from uncontrollable greed. There are very many cases of corruption
occurring in the world of sports in various countries around the world. Moreover, sports gambling can be a source of income for some corruptors.
By adjusting the referee's decision or even paying some athletes in order to fix the result of the match. It is annoying to know that corruptors have
damaged sportsmanship in the world of sports. The crime of corruptors must be given the heaviest punishment.
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I agree, people are looking for ways to make a profit. And if they can get rich quickly they tend to do illegal things. In my opinion there should be stronger laws against corruption. There are probably aot of cases that never get reported of become public. Only the really big cases that are being prosecuted are made public. It would be interesting to know how much money the ordinary gambler lost to corruption. I mean even the Romans 2000 years ago had a problem with corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iamsheikhadil on March 07, 2021, 08:34:36 AM
Well generally they say that they will eliminate corruption but mostly in the government but not in sports.
I think sports corruption in your country is sever since it's been discussed in the election campaign and one of the things to consider solving.
Well corruption is everywhere and no surprise that even in sports there's a corruption.

The fact that removing corruption from sports is an election issue means the country takes the spirit and goal of sports seriously, which many countries doesn't have such system. I guess, these are real issues, sports, development, income, education, on which a country should look into. Corruption is indeed everywhere but so does its remedy. Just rising the pay check of the sportsmen can reduce such corruption to a lot of level.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 07, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Well generally they say that they will eliminate corruption but mostly in the government but not in sports.
I think sports corruption in your country is sever since it's been discussed in the election campaign and one of the things to consider solving.
Well corruption is everywhere and no surprise that even in sports there's a corruption.

The fact that removing corruption from sports is an election issue means the country takes the spirit and goal of sports seriously, which many countries doesn't have such system. I guess, these are real issues, sports, development, income, education, on which a country should look into. Corruption is indeed everywhere but so does its remedy. Just rising the pay check of the sportsmen can reduce such corruption to a lot of level.
It is hard to removing corruption which already rooted in the country, and that needs time to have a clean government and in many aspects. We can not deny that corruption will continue to happen in that aspect, but we have a chance to limit their access by having clean officers. Rising the sportsmen's paycheck can be a solution, but do not forget that even if they have a high paycheck, that will not guarantee they will not corrupt because that will be related to the sportsmen and other people mentality.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: rig4hodlers on March 07, 2021, 10:33:38 AM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

That's correct. Here in my country is the same, we have real corruption cases not only in the first country League division, but we also have real corruption cases on minor leagues if they are included in the betting platforms and where you can earn money betting. It is sad but even the football players are mixed in this business and some of them have been arrested in the latest months. We will have more corruption on these sports where you can participate and bet your money, that's clear, we will never see corruption in a beach tennis match, as far as they are not into these bet platforms. It is really sad but it is the reality.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mirakal on March 07, 2021, 11:42:04 AM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

That's correct. Here in my country is the same, we have real corruption cases not only in the first country League division, but we also have real corruption cases on minor leagues if they are included in the betting platforms and where you can earn money betting. It is sad but even the football players are mixed in this business and some of them have been arrested in the latest months. We will have more corruption on these sports where you can participate and bet your money, that's clear, we will never see corruption in a beach tennis match, as far as they are not into these bet platforms. It is really sad but it is the reality.
If the corruption is too obvious, I guess the government should look into that, it cannot be that way as it will destroy the sports the fans love. That's why gambling is illegal in some countries because they know with gambling, sports can be influence and rigging or game fixing will come in.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ufaiz50 on March 07, 2021, 11:51:47 AM
Especially at a low level, players are easier to master and there is corruption. Especially in matches with individual players, without a team. In tennis, a lot has happened with match fixing in the past.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: paxmao on March 07, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
There are some countries and some sports in which you can give corruption and rigging for granted. For example, boxing  (https://shortboxing.com/are-boxing-matches-fixed-why-yes-and-why-no/#:~:text=Boxing%20has%20received%20a%20somewhat,to%20the%20fighters%20and%20fans.)during 90's in the USA was clearly a politics questions. The sums involved were so high and it is so easy to make a loose look real that it is kind of inevitable. This of course aligned with the massive control of a few hands.

Other sports are more difficult to rig, because there are more players involved, it is more difficult to fake and the power is more distributed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yamifoud on March 07, 2021, 12:09:26 PM
There are some countries and some sports in which you can give corruption and rigging for granted. For example, boxing  (https://shortboxing.com/are-boxing-matches-fixed-why-yes-and-why-no/#:~:text=Boxing%20has%20received%20a%20somewhat,to%20the%20fighters%20and%20fans.)during 90's in the USA was clearly a politics questions. The sums involved were so high and it is so easy to make a loose look real that it is kind of inevitable. This of course aligned with the massive control of a few hands.
I heard about the reputation of boxing, and some said that boxing is the most corrupt in all sports, especially in the early days when there are limited access on news and few cameras to review the action.


Other sports are more difficult to rig, because there are more players involved, it is more difficult to fake and the power is more distributed.

In the game of basketball it's easy to rig if the management is involve as they can just order the referee to do the job.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on March 07, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
The sad fact that corruption has become a part of human life, this all started from uncontrollable greed. There are very many cases of corruption
occurring in the world of sports in various countries around the world. Moreover, sports gambling can be a source of income for some corruptors.
By adjusting the referee's decision or even paying some athletes in order to fix the result of the match. It is annoying to know that corruptors have
damaged sportsmanship in the world of sports. The crime of corruptors must be given the heaviest punishment.

I have a negative attitude towards corruption because it makes the gap between the rich and the poor bigger and bigger. I do not remember who said this, but I remember this phrase very well: " Almost every state has corruption and if there is no corruption then it makes no sense to live and develop in this state. "


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: oHnK on March 07, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
I have a negative attitude towards corruption because it makes the gap between the rich and the poor bigger and bigger. I do not remember who said this, but I remember this phrase very well: " Almost every state has corruption and if there is no corruption then it makes no sense to live and develop in this state. "

I agree if you said that every state has corruption. But if because there is no corruption then it makes no sense to live and develop in the state, that's so weird phrase. Corruption makes every people in the state can't get the same chance to develop, someone who is lucky because was born in a rich family and has the ability to do corruption certainly has a bigger chance to live and develop in the state than a poor guy. So, Corruption is only the biggest obstacle in the state for solving every problem that happens in society.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: SquallLeonhart on March 07, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
As people who watch the games, we are kind of used to this now, it is still nice and cool to watch the games, I do not feel like teams who have a chance to win the league would sell any games, and if they do that must mean they already guaranteed or nearly guaranteed the games, which is why watching the top teams is a lot better, also there are some at the bottom of the table but since they are bottom of the table it is rarely any chance they could win anyway so they are null point.

Teams that are at the midtable who knows that they will not go to European cups or anything, so have no chance for any higher position, but good enough that they will not relegate are the real trouble, they probably sell many of their games because they can afford to lose points and still be decent. I feel like referees play a big role as well, especially in NBA for example because I have seen horrible officiating there more than anywhere else.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Gozie51 on March 07, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

Government itself is corrupt so don't exclude them. About soccer games too they are involved in bribing if selling of games to their opponent. If a country's FA is involved in a bribe to win natch, then is the country that is the bribe. Fixing of match is not only for clubs but countries do that.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 07, 2021, 05:36:22 PM
Especially at a low level, players are easier to master and there is corruption. Especially in matches with individual players, without a team. In tennis, a lot has happened with match fixing in the past.

Besides that, I think that can give a chance to players or sportsmen getting into the corruption. Maybe that is happening for a long time ago and we do not know who the players are getting trapped. But as soon as the sportsmen are caught accepting the money from corrupt people, the government will track them and get them into jail. Maybe the officials need to seriously concern about this matter so that the match fixing can reduce.

Maybe it can cut the activities but it will continue to do business, as long as there are players who accepts this easy money deal
then match betting will continue to grow.

The bad side of this issue is there's  a chance that officiating bodies are also part of this corruptions, they are deeply involve

and getting huge payouts from the match fixing facilitator, there's no chance or there's only small chance that this activities may
caught only if the official itself allow it for public publicity.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Natalim on March 07, 2021, 10:01:47 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

Government itself is corrupt so don't exclude them. About soccer games too they are involved in bribing if selling of games to their opponent. If a country's FA is involved in a bribe to win natch, then is the country that is the bribe. Fixing of match is not only for clubs but countries do that.

I think that's a huge accusation, that's cheating in a large scale which I don't think is really happening blatantly. What I only know is the rigging of sports happening only involves few players or officials but not this whole country thing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 07, 2021, 10:09:23 PM
Especially at a low level, players are easier to master and there is corruption. Especially in matches with individual players, without a team. In tennis, a lot has happened with match fixing in the past.
In most sports, this has been said to be happening. But we don't know how it's like happening there. But with the sports commissions or agencies that manage the athletes.
The corruption is starting there, from the support and finances to the actual tournaments, we can speculate that there really are such bad things that do happen. And we don't know if there will be a time that there will be no more corruption from little to big management.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Hippocrypto on March 07, 2021, 10:57:43 PM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

Government itself is corrupt so don't exclude them. About soccer games too they are involved in bribing if selling of games to their opponent. If a country's FA is involved in a bribe to win natch, then is the country that is the bribe. Fixing of match is not only for clubs but countries do that.
I don't see bribery existed on my country's governance. What I heard being corrupted was the budget of athletes pertaining to sports events. That's totally devastating for every participants, their funds isn't 100% supplied and worst their compensation allowances differs from other countries. Honor is very important, but we need to think about their families who needs to live through their hard earned money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 08, 2021, 01:05:03 AM

Gambling is not a stable source of income, in fact its one of the worst option that a person struggling financially could choose.

Difinitely true! but gamblers choose to go with it and take that small chances, they are aiming for a much quicker way to earn money.

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Not only that it's high risk high reward. It can also be rigged by players even by house edge even with provably fair, systems can always be cheated.

Gamblers are fully aware of this but they are still pushing forward, thinking that once luck permits them it's easiest way to double your fund.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lorence.xD on March 08, 2021, 05:51:33 AM
Besides that, I think that can give a chance to players or sportsmen getting into the corruption. Maybe that is happening for a long time ago and we do not know who the players are getting trapped. But as soon as the sportsmen are caught accepting the money from corrupt people, the government will track them and get them into jail. Maybe the officials need to seriously concern about this matter so that the match fixing can reduce.
Players being coerced into participating in something corrupt is not that unheard of but at the same time, it is also rare that players are consensual in participation because higher ups do not want to split the profits any further down the line which is understandable but that is a difficult situation for the corrupt uppers because they do not control the player. Players that are consensual on the other hand are in danger because they are disposable pawns that can't point out who is the head and they will face all the backlash as they are the face of organization/league.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: peter0425 on March 08, 2021, 06:47:13 AM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

That's correct. Here in my country is the same, we have real corruption cases not only in the first country League division, but we also have real corruption cases on minor leagues if they are included in the betting platforms and where you can earn money betting. It is sad but even the football players are mixed in this business and some of them have been arrested in the latest months. We will have more corruption on these sports where you can participate and bet your money, that's clear, we will never see corruption in a beach tennis match, as far as they are not into these bet platforms. It is really sad but it is the reality.
I think in every institution Corruption is indeed happening , maybe in some a little but in others are abusive and rampant.

Government even part of this corruption and they are the one who giving consent on the involved people.

- Expose the corrupt activities.

-Help sports and Gambling become clean again.

those person must be put behind bars and punished more than what they deserve .


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on March 08, 2021, 11:26:43 AM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game fixing is happening in every country.

That's correct. Here in my country is the same, we have real corruption cases not only in the first country League division, but we also have real corruption cases on minor leagues if they are included in the betting platforms and where you can earn money betting. It is sad but even the football players are mixed in this business and some of them have been arrested in the latest months. We will have more corruption on these sports where you can participate and bet your money, that's clear, we will never see corruption in a beach tennis match, as far as they are not into these bet platforms. It is really sad but it is the reality.
I think in every institution Corruption is indeed happening , maybe in some a little but in others are abusive and rampant.

Government even part of this corruption and they are the one who giving consent on the involved people.

- Expose the corrupt activities.

-Help sports and Gambling become clean again.

those person must be put behind bars and punished more than what they deserve .

Government  to be part of corruption then you call it a corrupt country.

These regulators should regulate and implement the law but if they are the one who are leading to break the law, that no nation would prosper with this kind of corrupt government. I hope it will not happen in our country though I know there are rumors that some sports are fixed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: oHnK on March 08, 2021, 03:25:16 PM
They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.

They are not forced, but if they don't comply, sometimes their careers are played by the corruptors.  Because by having money they use all means to achieve their goals.  So sometimes, like it or not, the players accept corruption.  Those who don't want their careers to be ruined should resort to such dirty things.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 08, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Renampun on March 08, 2021, 04:08:28 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
the average is soccer...
in my country, 'soccer' is the most popular sport and after that badminton, other sports are only a small part and 'soccer' in my country has a bad history such as nepotism and scoring manipulation.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 08, 2021, 07:04:30 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
the average is soccer...
in my country, 'soccer' is the most popular sport and after that badminton, other sports are only a small part and 'soccer' in my country has a bad history such as nepotism and scoring manipulation.
Yes, the same in my country. Practically the "whole country" plays soccer, maybe ~ 70% of the sport is focused on soccer.
So, with this high percentage rate, a good part of the corruption is in soccer in my country, but it is logical that there is also corruption in other sports, but on a smaller scale.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: uneng on March 08, 2021, 09:18:50 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
the average is soccer...
in my country, 'soccer' is the most popular sport and after that badminton, other sports are only a small part and 'soccer' in my country has a bad history such as nepotism and scoring manipulation.
Yes, the same in my country. Practically the "whole country" plays soccer, maybe ~ 70% of the sport is focused on soccer.
So, with this high percentage rate, a good part of the corruption is in soccer in my country, but it is logical that there is also corruption in other sports, but on a smaller scale.
Even FIFA was accused of corruption several times, so I think soccer is the most corrupt sport globally talking. There are many situations involving money laudering, bribery, fraud and all the kind of thinkable cheating with FIFA. Actually any activity in this world involving too many different individuals, countries and a lot of money has some corruption going on.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: dimonstration on March 08, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
Wil depend on what game is too popular in that country. There are scripted games sometimes for the sake of doing illegal activities or by mere fact of being corrupt or putting money to the players to just do what they wanted, it can be from soccer, football, boxing or even in basketball as long as there officials who see opportunities to gain profit from it even in a biased way they will try for sure to do it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: BuNga_cute on March 08, 2021, 09:49:08 PM
Indeed, it is very difficult to separate sports and corruption, because in reality the two are closely related. Because for corruptors, sport is the easiest
way to make money. They just need to arrange the results of the match the way they want. They can do this by giving bribes to the referee or
athlete. Because sports are very much in demand all over the world.

Therefore, now there are so many sports betting platforms that have sprung up. Another interesting fact is that it is very difficult to eradicate corruption
in this world. Because corruption occurs everywhere, perhaps it is the human nature of being greedy to make corruption always happen.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lanatsa on March 08, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
Wil depend on what game is too popular in that country. There are scripted games sometimes for the sake of doing illegal activities or by mere fact of being corrupt or putting money to the players to just do what they wanted, it can be from soccer, football, boxing or even in basketball as long as there officials who see opportunities to gain profit from it even in a biased way they will try for sure to do it.
This is indeed the reality but pointing out on what games had been fixed already or being involved with some manipulative behavior then its really hard to determine which one because

you wouldn't know if those are mere coincidence or just being rigged since from the start.We are on the world where people does have the power and influence would able to control
something that they do like.

Corruption is always been part but what are the things we would able to do?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on March 08, 2021, 10:18:59 PM
Are you telling that India had 20 million professional cricket players till now or there are 20 million players playing matches and if that the latter is true it is a huge number of players and do you have the infrastructure to allocate these players as county matches will not accumulate millions of players and how many county teams are there in India. My guess is that you have the numbers wrong, i know the population i huge but to have 20 million professional players is a huge number.
Oops, seems like I added a zero. It's around 2 million players and by calling them professional players, I am counting people who play matches for a living. In India many companies hire you if you have played cricket for the current state you are residing in and I have seen various examples for the same! The numbers could be nearly equivalent to what I have posted as for instance consider :

People playing cricket professionally in the age of 15-20 could be around 50,000 from each state and data from popular states alone could bring numbers ranging between 500,000 - 1 million. If we consider people of the age between 20-40 they could range anywhere between 500,000 - 1 million again. Hence there could be an easy number ranging between 2 million users who are playing cricket professionally to earn a living.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 08, 2021, 10:23:51 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
the average is soccer...
in my country, 'soccer' is the most popular sport and after that badminton, other sports are only a small part and 'soccer' in my country has a bad history such as nepotism and scoring manipulation.
Yes, the same in my country. Practically the "whole country" plays soccer, maybe ~ 70% of the sport is focused on soccer.
So, with this high percentage rate, a good part of the corruption is in soccer in my country, but it is logical that there is also corruption in other sports, but on a smaller scale.
Even FIFA was accused of corruption several times, so I think soccer is the most corrupt sport globally talking. There are many situations involving money laudering, bribery, fraud and all the kind of thinkable cheating with FIFA. Actually any activity in this world involving too many different individuals, countries and a lot of money has some corruption going on.

Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
Wil depend on what game is too popular in that country. There are scripted games sometimes for the sake of doing illegal activities or by mere fact of being corrupt or putting money to the players to just do what they wanted, it can be from soccer, football, boxing or even in basketball as long as there officials who see opportunities to gain profit from it even in a biased way they will try for sure to do it.

Yes, I agree! Soccer is the most famous sport in the world (generalizing), and I think it is also the one that moves the most money worldwide.
I think that another important factor is the country, because depending on the rules and laws they can favor a certain type of activity related to corruption.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on March 08, 2021, 10:32:35 PM
Indeed, it is very difficult to separate sports and corruption, because in reality the two are closely related. Because for corruptors, sport is the easiest
way to make money. They just need to arrange the results of the match the way they want. They can do this by giving bribes to the referee or
athlete. Because sports are very much in demand all over the world.

Therefore, now there are so many sports betting platforms that have sprung up. Another interesting fact is that it is very difficult to eradicate corruption
in this world. Because corruption occurs everywhere, perhaps it is the human nature of being greedy to make corruption always happen.

We can't escape from this human nature anytime soon. And corruption exists in all forms, this is quite difficult to eradicate not only in sports but almost all industries as well. We can't even name one industry where corruption never occurred. So yes, this will stay  for the rest of our lives. So it is hard to expect that every game is a clean one, you just hope that it is.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: coin-investor on March 08, 2021, 10:43:27 PM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

There's corruption in every industry not only in gambling and in every country where there is a relaxation of the regulations and the authorities and regulators are very easy on corrupt people, but there will also be a syndicate that will bribe the government and sports officials and players to fix the game, it's easy money for them, whenever a favorite player or team losses a game, there's always a hint of corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 09, 2021, 03:21:58 AM
They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.

They are not forced, but if they don't comply, sometimes their careers are played by the corruptors.  Because by having money they use all means to achieve their goals.  So sometimes, like it or not, the players accept corruption.  Those who don't want their careers to be ruined should resort to such dirty things.

Maybe that is the risk that they will get if they do not follow the corrupt officials to the sportsmen or the players. We do not know what will happen to their careers, but that might happen to them. If that is the case, they can only follow and shut their mouth without saying to other people. The corrupt officials guarantee them that they will be saved as long as they follow them. That will make a hard decision for the players because that is related to their careers and, sometimes, their life.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lorence.xD on March 09, 2021, 04:55:58 AM
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They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.
You don't clearly know what happens behind the scenes, there are players that are coerced to do it because some of them have principles so bribing them isn't a feasible option for the officials. Yes, the decision is up to the players but when you are coerced, you either stand by your principle which could have dire consequences or you accept the condition because you have someone you care about. It is not that bigger than the players payment but it will always come down whether they accept it or they are coerced.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on March 09, 2021, 05:21:21 AM
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They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.
You don't clearly know what happens behind the scenes, there are players that are coerced to do it because some of them have principles so bribing them isn't a feasible option for the officials. Yes, the decision is up to the players but when you are coerced, you either stand by your principle which could have dire consequences or you accept the condition because you have someone you care about. It is not that bigger than the players payment but it will always come down whether they accept it or they are coerced.

I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Reatim on March 09, 2021, 05:36:32 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
I think the most corrupt now is Basketball , Even the most established league in the world ( in which NBA) is now getting involved in to this kind.
and in my country there are so Many issues about a Celebrity player is being Paid to bring the game down and let the opponent wins the game .
this is a clear corruption from side to side.
and also this s the reason why those stupidity bringing down the game popularity .


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 10, 2021, 02:04:26 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
I think the most corrupt now is Basketball , Even the most established league in the world ( in which NBA) is now getting involved in to this kind.
and in my country there are so Many issues about a Celebrity player is being Paid to bring the game down and let the opponent wins the game .
this is a clear corruption from side to side.
and also this s the reason why those stupidity bringing down the game popularity .
wow, I'm surprised, I couldn't imagine that basketball could be the most corrupt today!!!
Especially in NBA, where US rules can be strict with whoever commits this crime.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 10, 2021, 02:40:39 AM
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They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.
You don't clearly know what happens behind the scenes, there are players that are coerced to do it because some of them have principles so bribing them isn't a feasible option for the officials. Yes, the decision is up to the players but when you are coerced, you either stand by your principle which could have dire consequences or you accept the condition because you have someone you care about. It is not that bigger than the players payment but it will always come down whether they accept it or they are coerced.

The worst thing the players can get is get fired from the club without any reason but to disobey the rule. That will stop the player's careers and they will not have any chance to play the game for the rest of their life. Yes, I know that some players coerced to do it because I heard some local players caught by the local officers, and big money has been in their hand. It is a serious matter for player and jobs for the government to be solved and the government needs to protect the players from that thing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Pamadar on March 10, 2021, 03:06:24 AM

The worst thing the players can get is get fired from the club without any reason but to disobey the rule. That will stop the player's careers and they will not have any chance to play the game for the rest of their life. Yes, I know that some players coerced to do it because I heard some local players caught by the local officers, and big money has been in their hand. It is a serious matter for player and jobs for the government to be solved and the government needs to protect the players from that thing.

Players who doesn't wants to get involve with this kind of activities are prone of being thrown away by the team.

Chain of commands and with those big influenced behind the associations, those players most of the time doesn't have the choice, instead of playing clean, with money and pressures from those people behind they'll choose to go along the wave, even how clean they wanted the game, they are not in control but those who managing / manipulating things behind.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: rodskee on March 10, 2021, 04:04:11 AM
They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.

They are not forced, but if they don't comply, sometimes their careers are played by the corruptors.  Because by having money they use all means to achieve their goals.  So sometimes, like it or not, the players accept corruption.  Those who don't want their careers to be ruined should resort to such dirty things.

Maybe that is the risk that they will get if they do not follow the corrupt officials to the sportsmen or the players. We do not know what will happen to their careers, but that might happen to them. If that is the case, they can only follow and shut their mouth without saying to other people. The corrupt officials guarantee them that they will be saved as long as they follow them. That will make a hard decision for the players because that is related to their careers and, sometimes, their life.
i don't believe that they are being forced to do that instead they are being Blinded by the Huge amount of money that has been offered to them.

Imagine that the amount sometimes is enough for them to retire?

My cousin has a close friend in which one of the most famous Basketball player in our time now Here in my country and He admits that corruption is happening and sad to say that they are being part of it.

Because how can you deny a year contract payment that you will only earn in a singe championship game?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: danherbias07 on March 10, 2021, 06:18:50 AM

The worst thing the players can get is get fired from the club without any reason but to disobey the rule. That will stop the player's careers and they will not have any chance to play the game for the rest of their life. Yes, I know that some players coerced to do it because I heard some local players caught by the local officers, and big money has been in their hand. It is a serious matter for player and jobs for the government to be solved and the government needs to protect the players from that thing.

Players who doesn't wants to get involve with this kind of activities are prone of being thrown away by the team.

Chain of commands and with those big influenced behind the associations, those players most of the time doesn't have the choice, instead of playing clean, with money and pressures from those people behind they'll choose to go along the wave, even how clean they wanted the game, they are not in control but those who managing / manipulating things behind.

Like Mafia?
Does that happen in reality?
I have never seen news about one team doing the same thing. Throwing the game just for the purpose of money or they are blackmailed.
I do know about boxers acting though. Like they are knocked out but not really. It's to avoid hurting themselves after they are already paid by someone else just to lose the game.
It's actually funny because the act was caught on camera.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: romero121 on March 10, 2021, 05:24:05 PM

The worst thing the players can get is get fired from the club without any reason but to disobey the rule. That will stop the player's careers and they will not have any chance to play the game for the rest of their life. Yes, I know that some players coerced to do it because I heard some local players caught by the local officers, and big money has been in their hand. It is a serious matter for player and jobs for the government to be solved and the government needs to protect the players from that thing.

Players who doesn't wants to get involve with this kind of activities are prone of being thrown away by the team.

Chain of commands and with those big influenced behind the associations, those players most of the time doesn't have the choice, instead of playing clean, with money and pressures from those people behind they'll choose to go along the wave, even how clean they wanted the game, they are not in control but those who managing / manipulating things behind.

Like Mafia?
Does that happen in reality?
I have never seen news about one team doing the same thing. Throwing the game just for the purpose of money or they are blackmailed.
I do know about boxers acting though. Like they are knocked out but not really. It's to avoid hurting themselves after they are already paid by someone else just to lose the game.
It's actually funny because the act was caught on camera.
Yes, myself too haven't come across such news. I've come across the management providing drugs to players before the games which weren't legally adviced. This is done mostly for added stamina which helps in the winning of match. A team coach/managing head will never involve into similar form of corruption, because it will be mentioned as an anti-national activity.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: CarnagexD on March 10, 2021, 10:58:06 PM
I guess every politician aims to abolish corruption in all shapes and forms but it is my first time encountering it being very particular to Sport Corruption. Now this could be due to various reasons that us outsiders wouldn't know but if it involves using the Government Funds then that could be a call to action. Hence why these politicians in your country are very specific about it.
Indeed, it is very difficult to separate sports and corruption, because in reality the two are closely related. Because for corruptors, sport is the easiest
way to make money. They just need to arrange the results of the match the way they want. They can do this by giving bribes to the referee or
athlete. Because sports are very much in demand all over the world.

Therefore, now there are so many sports betting platforms that have sprung up. Another interesting fact is that it is very difficult to eradicate corruption
in this world. Because corruption occurs everywhere, perhaps it is the human nature of being greedy to make corruption always happen.
sports is undoubtably intertwined with corruption, but the thing is, if let's say the government of the United States all of a sudden released a statement that the Superbowl will be under surveillance to ensure that no corruption will go on, then that means for something major or weird happening in the backgroumd.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 11, 2021, 12:25:58 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 11, 2021, 02:24:45 AM
Players who doesn't wants to get involve with this kind of activities are prone of being thrown away by the team.

Chain of commands and with those big influenced behind the associations, those players most of the time doesn't have the choice, instead of playing clean, with money and pressures from those people behind they'll choose to go along the wave, even how clean they wanted the game, they are not in control but those who managing / manipulating things behind.

Yes, they will not be used as the team, and they can not even play on the other team in that country. Maybe the only way for them is to go to the other country and search for the other team which can accept them. If there are no ways out for that player, I think they need to search for another activity to help them survive.

Corruption and sports can still happen if there is no support from the government and strict action from them.

i don't believe that they are being forced to do that instead they are being Blinded by the Huge amount of money that has been offered to them.

Imagine that the amount sometimes is enough for them to retire?

My cousin has a close friend in which one of the most famous Basketball player in our time now Here in my country and He admits that corruption is happening and sad to say that they are being part of it.

Because how can you deny a year contract payment that you will only earn in a singe championship game?

Some of them are being forced, but some others accept the offers because of huge money. That money will be enough for them, but if they are greedy, there is not enough money for them because they will feel hungry for the money.

That is happening in many countries, and not just in your country, because corruption is happening everywhere. They can not avoid that because they will not be used by the team anymore if they try to run from that.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 11, 2021, 02:05:57 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.

According to this article, football is the most popular sport for sports betting, so your assumption is right.

https://lastwordonsports.com/2020/06/15/most-popular-sports-betting/

and it rank as follows.

1 Football
2 Tennis
3 American Football
4 Horse Racing
5 Basketball


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: romero121 on March 12, 2021, 03:47:20 AM
A form of corruption is Match Fixing. For your information, match fixing is played for a partially or fully pre-determined results. This can been seen with almost every game. This is done for the purpose of making money through gambling. This is attained through money transfer to team players, referees, and other authorities associated with the game.

In recent days the match fixing has increased high. Compared to the year 2019, there is a big rise in the match fixing number during the pandemic. The article Match Fixing On Rise During The Pandemic And Diversifying Into New Areas (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/16/match-fixing-on-rise-during-pandemic-and-diversifying-into-new-areas) gives the detailed information on the games on match fixing. The major focus is over football,tennis, and volleyball.

Source : The Guardian. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/16/match-fixing-on-rise-during-pandemic-and-diversifying-into-new-areas)


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 13, 2021, 12:23:58 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.
Yes, in a way we don't know the numbers exactly. But I think soccer is still one of the most manipulated sports today!!

Another question about manipulation/corruption, do you think a world cup has been or can be manipulated these days?
(I asked about the world cup because it is one of the most awaited soccer events in the world)


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Shasha80 on March 13, 2021, 12:46:41 AM

According to this article, football is the most popular sport for sports betting, so your assumption is right.

https://lastwordonsports.com/2020/06/15/most-popular-sports-betting/

and it rank as follows.

1 Football
2 Tennis
3 American Football
4 Horse Racing
5 Basketball

It is true that football is indeed the most popular sport in the world, so it's no wonder that it is the target of corruptors to get money. Almost all
sports betting sites provide betting options for football, then other sports may not be available on all sports betting sites. But I was surprised from
the ranking that Basketball is at number 5, I thought basketball was the second most popular sport after football but it wasn't. And another
surprising thing that boxing is not included in the top 5 popular sports for gambling.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 13, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.
Yes, in a way we don't know the numbers exactly. But I think soccer is still one of the most manipulated sports today!!

Another question about manipulation/corruption, do you think a world cup has been or can be manipulated these days?
(I asked about the world cup because it is one of the most awaited soccer events in the world)
I don't have a precise answer to that but if does, for sure that's a huge billions of dollars that we are talking with, manipulating such huge events where a lots of people / gamblers are watching/betting.

There might have a lots of speculations and different views about this question as until to date there's none who can give concrete evidence if manipulations been made.  World Cup is the most awaited event and money are flowing within, gamblers picked their sides in hope that the team they've supported will bring them the fortune.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: gagux123 on March 13, 2021, 05:17:21 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.
Yes, in a way we don't know the numbers exactly. But I think soccer is still one of the most manipulated sports today!!

Another question about manipulation/corruption, do you think a world cup has been or can be manipulated these days?
(I asked about the world cup because it is one of the most awaited soccer events in the world)
I don't have a precise answer to that but if does, for sure that's a huge billions of dollars that we are talking with, manipulating such huge events where a lots of people / gamblers are watching/betting.

There might have a lots of speculations and different views about this question as until to date there's none who can give concrete evidence if manipulations been made.  World Cup is the most awaited event and money are flowing within, gamblers picked their sides in hope that the team they've supported will bring them the fortune.
Yes, I agree with you @Fredomago, it is a good question, in my opinion I think there may be some kind of manipulation in some games or moves in the world cup.

They probably do it well. If this manipulation does happen and everyone around the world knows, the world cup will lose your credibility!!  :-\


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 13, 2021, 05:25:05 AM
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They are not coerced to corrupt because those corrupt officials only offer them the money and obey what they want. The decision will be up to the players, but the players can get tempt because of big money offered to them. Although that money is not too big to compare to the corrupt officials, that is big money for the players, and maybe that money will be bigger than what they got from their payment.
You don't clearly know what happens behind the scenes, there are players that are coerced to do it because some of them have principles so bribing them isn't a feasible option for the officials. Yes, the decision is up to the players but when you are coerced, you either stand by your principle which could have dire consequences or you accept the condition because you have someone you care about. It is not that bigger than the players payment but it will always come down whether they accept it or they are coerced.

The worst thing the players can get is get fired from the club without any reason but to disobey the rule. That will stop the player's careers and they will not have any chance to play the game for the rest of their life. Yes, I know that some players coerced to do it because I heard some local players caught by the local officers, and big money has been in their hand. It is a serious matter for player and jobs for the government to be solved and the government needs to protect the players from that thing.
Nope there are some chance that the players that being fired from the club comes back and prove them wrong .

remember that this case has no hard proof because there is no contract inside and just a word of mouth .



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ecnalubma on March 13, 2021, 05:18:02 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
We cannot determine a data for that, because it will be a shame if something like sports fixing is happening in any sports institutions and nobody wants that. Some sports fixing might go undetected probably with the help of higher ranking officials. On to what sports is the most likely corrupted we will never know.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mezzaluna on March 13, 2021, 05:39:09 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I believe that kind of corruption is still not present in our country but that is surely another great way to make money for corrupt officials. The community of people wanting sports are always the greater part of the country because it is one source of their entertainment but rigging the whole system is somehow really scary because we cannot determine on how will they be bribed or playing their matches throughout a season. It would be really a huge blow to people who love sports and people who just do sports to make money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: pinggoki on March 13, 2021, 06:03:29 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Corruption will never be abolished, do you know why? It is because the people b hind this corruptions are those people who is in the higher position so that they have the control on all kinds of aspects. Corruption is everywhere, every country has a corruption and even the richest country is full of corruptions. I've seen a lot of match fixing in e-sports and I see this as an bad habit because they are like doing this in order to earn money they are not playing anymore they are doing this just because whether they win or not they will be having a bribe, no matter what happens they will get the money that they want by just abusing this match fixing. I've seeing so many match fixing on E-sports in China, so be careful gamblers.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: panganib999 on March 13, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Corruption will never be abolished, do you know why? It is because the people b hind this corruptions are those people who is in the higher position so that they have the control on all kinds of aspects. Corruption is everywhere, every country has a corruption and even the richest country is full of corruptions. I've seen a lot of match fixing in e-sports and I see this as an bad habit because they are like doing this in order to earn money they are not playing anymore they are doing this just because whether they win or not they will be having a bribe, no matter what happens they will get the money that they want by just abusing this match fixing. I've seeing so many match fixing on E-sports in China, so be careful gamblers.

Corruption is one of the most worst attitude in  country. Many people actually always tell that there are some corruptions that are normals because people always tend to tolerate it. In my country, there's a lot of corrupted people and one of the most annoying is that the corrupt people are those who have seat in the higher. They always believe that this corrupt government official are always right. Many people started to get brainedwash. In gambling, the corruption might also be a problem in terms of those betters that asking for some sevice. Watch out to those negativeley effect on you.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on March 13, 2021, 09:13:06 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Corruption will never be abolished, do you know why? It is because the people b hind this corruptions are those people who is in the higher position so that they have the control on all kinds of aspects. Corruption is everywhere, every country has a corruption and even the richest country is full of corruptions. I've seen a lot of match fixing in e-sports and I see this as an bad habit because they are like doing this in order to earn money they are not playing anymore they are doing this just because whether they win or not they will be having a bribe, no matter what happens they will get the money that they want by just abusing this match fixing. I've seeing so many match fixing on E-sports in China, so be careful gamblers.

Corruption is one of the most worst attitude in  country. Many people actually always tell that there are some corruptions that are normals because people always tend to tolerate it. In my country, there's a lot of corrupted people and one of the most annoying is that the corrupt people are those who have seat in the higher. They always believe that this corrupt government official are always right. Many people started to get brainedwash. In gambling, the corruption might also be a problem in terms of those betters that asking for some sevice. Watch out to those negativeley effect on you.

I don't think they believe that the corrupt government officials are always right. But usually, they can't do anything about it, so they just go with the flow. Unless, someone has the courage to report this official to the authorities and willing to take the step of pursuing a complaint even it will cause him resources to sue the official. And I know, very rare that you will encounter such individual who is willing to take this action. Normally, people just accept the situation and most of the time they join them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 13, 2021, 10:47:10 PM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
We cannot determine a data for that, because it will be a shame if something like sports fixing is happening in any sports institutions and nobody wants that. Some sports fixing might go undetected probably with the help of higher ranking officials. On to what sports is the most likely corrupted we will never know.

It's not easy to detect sports fixing and government officials are not even focus on that, all they do is just to impose the law which is to tax the gambling establishments and inside the gambling establishment, there's a lot of things they can't monitor anymore, however if the time will come that they will caught because somebody came out and expose it, that's the time that they will act and investigate it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on March 13, 2021, 11:07:59 PM
Strange situation. I can assume that your country is economically undeveloped. If economic processes are proceeding as they should, then corruption (and hence the destruction of sports) is simply unprofitable for those who are engaged in this.

I would like to draw your attention to another point - sport is very often associated with politics. And politics is the main environment for corruption. Therefore, I think the less participation of the state in such matters, the better for everyone. Sport is commerce and a businessman will not be acting to make a loss to his firm (unlike a corrupt politician).


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 13, 2021, 11:23:55 PM
It's not easy to detect sports fixing and government officials are not even focus on that, all they do is just to impose the law which is to tax the gambling establishments and inside the gambling establishment, there's a lot of things they can't monitor anymore, however if the time will come that they will caught because somebody came out and expose it, that's the time that they will act and investigate it.
If someone exposes that there's one that happened on their term and told it to the press, the news will scatter as quick as it can and many won't believe that it had happened in their eyes.
They can reason it out that they're already investigating on it but the verdict could be just remain it as an investigation and there will be no actual result. Well, that's another corruption at its finest.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 14, 2021, 02:53:32 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.
Yes, in a way we don't know the numbers exactly. But I think soccer is still one of the most manipulated sports today!!

Another question about manipulation/corruption, do you think a world cup has been or can be manipulated these days?
(I asked about the world cup because it is one of the most awaited soccer events in the world)
Over the years there have been several matches that have been under the microscope for results that were very suspicious back in the day so I have no doubts match fixing has happened in the past, however I find hard to believe the final has been manipulated in any way, but we never know there have been several scandals in baseball in which the world series has been fixed on the past, so we cannot discard the possibility of this happening on the final game of the world cup.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 14, 2021, 03:45:55 AM
Well, after some comments that I read, I thought to myself, because I couldn't find an exact answer ...

Does anyone know what kind of sport is more corrupt and manipulated these days? Soccer? Boxe?

Corruption in sports is generally greater in developed or underdeveloped countries?
It is going to be difficult to find precise data about it because those that are cheating are not going to go out of their way to try to tell you what they're doing and how they are manipulating things around different sports in order to gain an unfair advantage, however taking into account that soccer is the most popular sport in the entire world by far and it is the sport that moves the most money I think it is a fair assumption to make that most of the corruption in the sport world is in that sport.
Yes, in a way we don't know the numbers exactly. But I think soccer is still one of the most manipulated sports today!!

Another question about manipulation/corruption, do you think a world cup has been or can be manipulated these days?
(I asked about the world cup because it is one of the most awaited soccer events in the world)
Over the years there have been several matches that have been under the microscope for results that were very suspicious back in the day so I have no doubts match fixing has happened in the past, however I find hard to believe the final has been manipulated in any way, but we never know there have been several scandals in baseball in which the world series has been fixed on the past, so we cannot discard the possibility of this happening on the final game of the world cup.

The match fixing already happens today, and I think it is hard to eradicate if the officials do not realize what they do is not right. The final itself can be manipulated somehow, but we don't know how they do that. I think the scandals will hide from the public, so we don't know if that happens. It is hard to prove the scandals, match fixing, or manipulations as the officials who already inside that circle will not let the public know. And the corruption will continue without us know when it will end.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: JohnBitCo on March 14, 2021, 09:14:37 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto.

Governments should focus on removing corruption from all fields of life and not just the sports. Also if in your country, there is a lot of corruption it won't be easy to get rid of it. Government have to take big steps which may involve prisons to some popular personalities involved in this sin. What i have observed, that the law enforcement agencies are themselves corrupt so they just take money and keep the corruption ongoing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: codegnome on March 14, 2021, 09:18:49 AM
Athletes will ask themselves whether it is really worth taking part in corruption. When a tie is enough for 2 teams to make it to the next round of a tournament, you may wonder if that is corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 14, 2021, 10:18:54 AM

Governments should focus on removing corruption from all fields of life and not just the sports.

If they are serious in taking this down, then it should not be in just one particular venue,

but everything  that corruption-related should be taken away.


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Also if in your country, there is a lot of corruption it won't be easy to get rid of it.

If the place have more corruptions, it's not easy to just to carry out any actions as expect that there are many officials that are involved to this business to oppose any laws that your government wanted to impose.

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Government have to take big steps which may involve prisons to some popular personalities involved in this sin.

Yeah right, if this thing will carry out strictly, there are known people who are involve and be imprisoned..

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What i have observed, that the law enforcement agencies are themselves corrupt so they just take money and keep the corruption ongoing.

That's the real problem, involvements of those corrupt officials, the very reason why

the government are having difficulty to suppress this illegal activities.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sanitough on March 14, 2021, 10:22:57 AM
Athletes will ask themselves whether it is really worth taking part in corruption. When a tie is enough for 2 teams to make it to the next round of a tournament, you may wonder if that is corruption.

This is not a kind of stage play, this corruption might not be known to their teammates or their fellow teams and this is not a serious problem actually as only few are doing this. They know the consequences, so they are risking their future when trying to partake on gambling fixing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Shasha80 on March 14, 2021, 04:04:19 PM
I guess the team will not know if the corruption is happening on their team because the corrupt people will hide that thing from them, and only people who corrupt will know about that. As long as there is no problem with that, there will be safe and the corrupt people will still play their game without anyone know. But people who are doing the wrong thing will be worried because they will think that their career and life will be at risk if they get caught.

I agree with you, there is no way corruption is done openly. Therefore if there is corruption in one team, not everyone on the team was involved
and knew that corruption had occurred. This can be detrimental to other people who are not involved in corruption. Because if caught there are
indications of corruption occurring in one team, even though the perpetrator is only one person. Everyone in the team is sanctioned, even their
career could be ruined. Therefore, corruption is very destructive to life, it is not only people who commit corruption who are affected by it.
But the people around him also sometimes have to feel the consequences.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on March 14, 2021, 09:13:34 PM
Athletes will ask themselves whether it is really worth taking part in corruption. When a tie is enough for 2 teams to make it to the next round of a tournament, you may wonder if that is corruption.

If we take it globally and for a long time, then corruption hurts everyone, even those who profit from it now. Another thing is that not everyone thinks globally (and sometimes this is correct, since circumstances are in most cases stronger than individuals), therefore, many athletes are involved in corruption in one way or another.
As far as your question about a draw is concerned, there is no corruption here (if there was no direct agreement), this is just an economy of effort. By the way, there are a lot of such examples in chess in recent years.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on March 14, 2021, 10:00:45 PM
Athletes will ask themselves whether it is really worth taking part in corruption. When a tie is enough for 2 teams to make it to the next round of a tournament, you may wonder if that is corruption.

If we take it globally and for a long time, then corruption hurts everyone, even those who profit from it now. Another thing is that not everyone thinks globally (and sometimes this is correct, since circumstances are in most cases stronger than individuals), therefore, many athletes are involved in corruption in one way or another.
As far as your question about a draw is concerned, there is no corruption here (if there was no direct agreement), this is just an economy of effort. By the way, there are a lot of such examples in chess in recent years.

We betters have to adjust in this reality, so we would not complain every time we loss and blame that corruption. All we do is just speculate, just like predicting who will win the game and that's just how the game is played, the more open we are of this possibility the more we can make a better decision.

I'm not saying every game, sports, or league are corrupt but it's happening as there are people who are already convicted in doing so, even the officials are heavily involved on it, but for politicians, honestly, I haven't heard a single news about a politician got involved in sports corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 15, 2021, 04:15:52 AM
I guess the team will not know if the corruption is happening on their team because the corrupt people will hide that thing from them, and only people who corrupt will know about that. As long as there is no problem with that, there will be safe and the corrupt people will still play their game without anyone know. But people who are doing the wrong thing will be worried because they will think that their career and life will be at risk if they get caught.

I agree with you, there is no way corruption is done openly. Therefore if there is corruption in one team, not everyone on the team was involved
and knew that corruption had occurred. This can be detrimental to other people who are not involved in corruption. Because if caught there are
indications of corruption occurring in one team, even though the perpetrator is only one person. Everyone in the team is sanctioned, even their
career could be ruined. Therefore, corruption is very destructive to life, it is not only people who commit corruption who are affected by it.
But the people around him also sometimes have to feel the consequences.


If one person is caught because of corruption, all people inside the team would be investigated by the police, and only people involved in the corruption will get investigated further. For innocent people, they will not get sanctioned because they are not involved in that corruption to continue their careers. But that will not happen to people involved in corruption and will get to jail for a long time. The team will not have a chance to grow if their team has corruption cases because that can reduce people's trust in that team.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 15, 2021, 11:05:07 AM
I guess the team will not know if the corruption is happening on their team because the corrupt people will hide that thing from them, and only people who corrupt will know about that. As long as there is no problem with that, there will be safe and the corrupt people will still play their game without anyone know. But people who are doing the wrong thing will be worried because they will think that their career and life will be at risk if they get caught.

I agree with you, there is no way corruption is done openly. Therefore if there is corruption in one team, not everyone on the team was involved
and knew that corruption had occurred. This can be detrimental to other people who are not involved in corruption. Because if caught there are
indications of corruption occurring in one team, even though the perpetrator is only one person. Everyone in the team is sanctioned, even their
career could be ruined. Therefore, corruption is very destructive to life, it is not only people who commit corruption who are affected by it.
But the people around him also sometimes have to feel the consequences.


If one person is caught because of corruption, all people inside the team would be investigated by the police, and only people involved in the corruption will get investigated further. For innocent people, they will not get sanctioned because they are not involved in that corruption to continue their careers. But that will not happen to people involved in corruption and will get to jail for a long time. The team will not have a chance to grow if their team has corruption cases because that can reduce people's trust in that team.

There will be a big effect because it's not only on the team but its entirely on the league. Sports are suppose to be clean and fair, but if one team is involve in corruption, fans would not like it as they feel they get betrayed cheering for a certain team that there's already a winner before it was even played.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kittygalore on March 15, 2021, 11:28:39 AM
If one person is caught because of corruption, all people inside the team would be investigated by the police, and only people involved in the corruption will get investigated further. For innocent people, they will not get sanctioned because they are not involved in that corruption to continue their careers. But that will not happen to people involved in corruption and will get to jail for a long time. The team will not have a chance to grow if their team has corruption cases because that can reduce people's trust in that team.
That would be the best case for the team, get everyone in line and have them each investigated as to who participated in the scheme. People that are involved in this kind of scandal often get only a slap of the wrist for punishment, maybe a ban for a year or two but there isn't anyone that is going to jail, this businesses will negotiate for the player to not be jailed as they can still play and they can still be a pawn. Corruption runs deep in sports, and if it wasn't then a lot of dopers and throwers have been jailed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on March 15, 2021, 12:16:42 PM
If we take it globally and for a long time, then corruption hurts everyone, even those who profit from it now. Another thing is that not everyone thinks globally (and sometimes this is correct, since circumstances are in most cases stronger than individuals), therefore, many athletes are involved in corruption in one way or another.
As far as your question about a draw is concerned, there is no corruption here (if there was no direct agreement), this is just an economy of effort. By the way, there are a lot of such examples in chess in recent years.

We betters have to adjust in this reality, so we would not complain every time we loss and blame that corruption. All we do is just speculate, just like predicting who will win the game and that's just how the game is played, the more open we are of this possibility the more we can make a better decision.

I'm not saying every game, sports, or league are corrupt but it's happening as there are people who are already convicted in doing so, even the officials are heavily involved on it, but for politicians, honestly, I haven't heard a single news about a politician got involved in sports corruption.

Have you heard anything about the Sochi Olympics, after which the global exposure of the corruption system based on achieving results (getting medals) at any cost began? This system was created at the highest state level and was subordinated to political goals.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on March 15, 2021, 11:26:15 PM
Sports fixing is as old as sports itself. But this shouldn't mean that people and athletes are to jist be lenient enough about it just because it has been in the talks for a very long time. Everyone should actively participate in abolishing such corruption in sports as it defeats the whole purpose of sports as a way to celebrate the human capabilities and their innate achievements in ways that accentuate one's skill. As our technology advances, we'll find out that there are ways to destroy this pest in the sports industry.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 16, 2021, 04:46:31 AM
I guess the team will not know if the corruption is happening on their team because the corrupt people will hide that thing from them, and only people who corrupt will know about that. As long as there is no problem with that, there will be safe and the corrupt people will still play their game without anyone know. But people who are doing the wrong thing will be worried because they will think that their career and life will be at risk if they get caught.

I agree with you, there is no way corruption is done openly. Therefore if there is corruption in one team, not everyone on the team was involved
and knew that corruption had occurred. This can be detrimental to other people who are not involved in corruption. Because if caught there are
indications of corruption occurring in one team, even though the perpetrator is only one person. Everyone in the team is sanctioned, even their
career could be ruined. Therefore, corruption is very destructive to life, it is not only people who commit corruption who are affected by it.
But the people around him also sometimes have to feel the consequences.


If one person is caught because of corruption, all people inside the team would be investigated by the police, and only people involved in the corruption will get investigated further. For innocent people, they will not get sanctioned because they are not involved in that corruption to continue their careers. But that will not happen to people involved in corruption and will get to jail for a long time. The team will not have a chance to grow if their team has corruption cases because that can reduce people's trust in that team.

There will be a big effect because it's not only on the team but its entirely on the league. Sports are suppose to be clean and fair, but if one team is involve in corruption, fans would not like it as they feel they get betrayed cheering for a certain team that there's already a winner before it was even played.

Sooner or later, the corruption will be found and once the public knows about that, they will not like their team, and they will leave it without thinking to back again. That will be related to the morale of the officials who do corruptions, and they will not think about what will happen to them, especially if the public know. The fans themselves will judge them and decide to leave their team.

If one person is caught because of corruption, all people inside the team would be investigated by the police, and only people involved in the corruption will get investigated further. For innocent people, they will not get sanctioned because they are not involved in that corruption to continue their careers. But that will not happen to people involved in corruption and will get to jail for a long time. The team will not have a chance to grow if their team has corruption cases because that can reduce people's trust in that team.
That would be the best case for the team, get everyone in line and have them each investigated as to who participated in the scheme. People that are involved in this kind of scandal often get only a slap of the wrist for punishment, maybe a ban for a year or two but there isn't anyone that is going to jail, this businesses will negotiate for the player to not be jailed as they can still play and they can still be a pawn. Corruption runs deep in sports, and if it wasn't then a lot of dopers and throwers have been jailed.

Maybe that is a scenario from the other higher officials who involve in the corruptions because sometimes, that can hide their prove about the corruptions. If some officials getting jails, that will be temporary, but the truth is, they can handle the other corruptions from the jail because their network is too wider. We really need clean officials who can work to eradicate corruption, and although that is not easy, they need to cooperate with the other officials who also can be trusted.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 17, 2021, 05:56:14 AM
Over the years there have been several matches that have been under the microscope for results that were very suspicious back in the day so I have no doubts match fixing has happened in the past, however I find hard to believe the final has been manipulated in any way, but we never know there have been several scandals in baseball in which the world series has been fixed on the past, so we cannot discard the possibility of this happening on the final game of the world cup.

The match fixing already happens today, and I think it is hard to eradicate if the officials do not realize what they do is not right. The final itself can be manipulated somehow, but we don't know how they do that. I think the scandals will hide from the public, so we don't know if that happens. It is hard to prove the scandals, match fixing, or manipulations as the officials who already inside that circle will not let the public know. And the corruption will continue without us know when it will end.
When people think of match fixing most of the time there is a focus on the coaches or the players but the easiest way to fix a game is by bribing the referees, they do not earn as much money as the players and they have a greater control of the games as they can always show an additional yellow card, ignore a foul, show a red card or give a penalty kick to the team they want to favour, and in fact this happened, probably one of the most controversial penalty kicks ever awarded happened at the 1990 FIFA World Cup Final in which a dubious foul was awarded to West Germany against Argentina making the difference in the game, to this day there are still discussions about if it was just a mistake or if it was a deliberate act by the referee.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: leea-1334 on March 17, 2021, 07:53:55 AM
I think there is a lot of unspoken corruption going on at top levels of football especially at FIFA and EUFA,,, of course we all are told at low level leagues and in underdeveloped sporting countries the rampant corruption is there but let us not all forget that Manchester City who is supposedly at the highest level of football, falsely reported financial figures AND got fined for it.

And still were allowed to play football.

Mourinho says (yes he is my manager but I'm not cherrypicking) they got fined that means they did something wrong. But no punishment except for money? Corruption is this not?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 17, 2021, 03:35:34 PM
Athletes will ask themselves whether it is really worth taking part in corruption. When a tie is enough for 2 teams to make it to the next round of a tournament, you may wonder if that is corruption.
If two teams decide to play a tie intentionally then I believe it is indeed corruption and match fixing because any event that is played must have its integrity maintained and if players are throwing a game intentionally, if even because the team eventually benefits from it, it's just wrong and categorized as match fixing.

There was such an instance in badminton and you might want to read the article: How players intentionally tried to lose matches to gain an advantage (https://www.wired.com/2012/08/badminton-round-robin/)

As long as the result of any match is determined without competitive action with an intention to win, I believe it's corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mr.right85 on March 17, 2021, 03:53:56 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: tyz on March 17, 2021, 07:22:38 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto.

Well, you might want to tell us what country you're from? That would help the discussion as a whole. It is part of democracy that something is promised, but in the end is not kept. That is completely independent of the country. It's just that it's more entrenched in some countries than others.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 17, 2021, 08:16:57 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.

All your questions are answerable because of money, the greed of money coming from those corrupt individuals who are encircling this indusdtry. Sports gambling is to wide so expect that there are people who have a huge amount of investment, they are throwing huge amount of money just to control everything without any trace.

Though it's not exactly no traced but because again of money, they can work in front of those blind officials with the eyes that fully covered of huge amount of bribe money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Shasha80 on March 17, 2021, 08:45:55 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
All your questions are answerable because of money, the greed of money coming from those corrupt individuals who are encircling this indusdtry. Sports gambling is to wide so expect that there are people who have a huge amount of investment, they are throwing huge amount of money just to control everything without any trace.

Though it's not exactly no traced but because again of money, they can work in front of those blind officials with the eyes that fully covered of huge amount of bribe money.

It is true that money and greed are the main causes of corruption, especially since the circulation of money in sports gambling is enormous. Make
some people in the world of sports become involved in corruption, because they want large amounts of money, so do whatever it takes to earn money.
Even though they know that corruption is wrong, those who are involved in corruption only focus on money. This is a human being who cannot control
his greed, will inevitably be involved in corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: dunfida on March 17, 2021, 08:59:01 PM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
All your questions are answerable because of money, the greed of money coming from those corrupt individuals who are encircling this indusdtry. Sports gambling is to wide so expect that there are people who have a huge amount of investment, they are throwing huge amount of money just to control everything without any trace.

Though it's not exactly no traced but because again of money, they can work in front of those blind officials with the eyes that fully covered of huge amount of bribe money.

It is true that money and greed are the main causes of corruption, especially since the circulation of money in sports gambling is enormous. Make
some people in the world of sports become involved in corruption, because they want large amounts of money, so do whatever it takes to earn money.
Even though they know that corruption is wrong, those who are involved in corruption only focus on money. This is a human being who cannot control
his greed, will inevitably be involved in corruption.
A never ending problem because humans are naturally greedy and once they do get the opportunity to get more money with other means then they would definitely do it even
if its already a non-ethical thing to be done for.So better deal with it because it does exist and you would just be pressured or got stressed if you do mind it up too much.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TheNineClub on March 18, 2021, 05:48:47 AM
If anybody is interested there was a good study published way back in 2016 that looked into the different types of sports corruption that look into it not being only or directly affected by money but there's also politics and national pride that come into play. It's a good but lengthy read that explains a lot https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329977201_Corruption_in_Sport


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AicecreaME on March 18, 2021, 06:46:50 AM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 18, 2021, 06:53:27 AM
If anybody is interested there was a good study published way back in 2016 that looked into the different types of sports corruption that look into it not being only or directly affected by money but there's also politics and national pride that come into play. It's a good but lengthy read that explains a lot https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329977201_Corruption_in_Sport
national Pride to be the cause of corruption ? Looks like a Joke lol   :)

Politics Means Money that's the short term for that.

We will Not be corrupted if there is no Money that they are targeting , and about that pride ? politics has no Pride , they are  Hard faces ..


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 18, 2021, 07:02:29 AM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ucy on March 18, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
All your questions are answerable because of money, the greed of money coming from those corrupt individuals who are encircling this indusdtry. Sports gambling is to wide so expect that there are people who have a huge amount of investment, they are throwing huge amount of money just to control everything without any trace.

Though it's not exactly no traced but because again of money, they can work in front of those blind officials with the eyes that fully covered of huge amount of bribe money.

It is true that money and greed are the main causes of corruption, especially since the circulation of money in sports gambling is enormous. Make
some people in the world of sports become involved in corruption, because they want large amounts of money, so do whatever it takes to earn money.
Even though they know that corruption is wrong, those who are involved in corruption only focus on money. This is a human being who cannot control
his greed, will inevitably be involved in corruption.

I guess you are blaming the corruption partly on gambling in Sport betting? Well, that wouldn't surprise me too much if morality isn't enforced in Sport Betting/Prediction Market. Prediction/Betting Market and other businesses must be safe for society and people. If you don't promote safety and enforce it, people will do whatever they want.
Match fixing should never be encouraged or tolerated. It will likely encourage the kind of corruption Mr.right85, Fredomago & you described.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: traderethereum on March 18, 2021, 12:09:03 PM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 18, 2021, 01:17:41 PM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.
Literally no one is going to work for free and the government's offer because of their excellence in sports is justified with such offer but stastically most sportsmen retires and keep living as rich life for few years and they will completely disappear when they exhaust their balance, only few sports person managed to understand they need to keep their source of income via investing to keep their life style high all the time.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: oHnK on March 18, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.

It is too strange if the reason for corruption is due to fear of losing a job due to old age and not meeting the requirements.  Humans are given reason to think and while working in the world of sports, they should have mitigated this from the start.  Isn't it just sportsmen who have age requirements.  But there are many other types of jobs that have these requirements.  So, I strongly disagree if the corruption mindset is motivated by a lack of sense of work.  Those who are corrupt are not less intellectual but lack faith.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Alucard1 on March 18, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
Corruption is really common in a higher position, there is always corruption and I don't think that it would be removed in a certain country, greediness is always the reason why corruption happens, even though they already have a stable life, good life and good money they still want more their way on this is not a good thing because they are stealing the money of other people. In our country as well, that statement is really common, the good thing in our country is that our president has lessen the corruption unlike before wherein the corruption is really obvious and most of the officials are doing it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on March 18, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
national Pride to be the cause of corruption ? Looks like a Joke lol   :)

Politics Means Money that's the short term for that.
As long as there's a politics related to sports, there will always be that stain and belief that it would always be dirty.

We will Not be corrupted if there is no Money that they are targeting , and about that pride ? politics has no Pride , they are  Hard faces ..
Because there's nothing to corrupt if there's no money involve. But we have to accept and embrace the fact, that it's the cause of corruption in every sector of the government when there's money on it, a huge money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: molsewid on March 18, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
Corruption is really common in a higher position, there is always corruption and I don't think that it would be removed in a certain country, greediness is always the reason why corruption happens, even though they already have a stable life, good life and good money they still want more their way on this is not a good thing because they are stealing the money of other people. In our country as well, that statement is really common, the good thing in our country is that our president has lessen the corruption unlike before wherein the corruption is really obvious and most of the officials are doing it.
There is no other reason why people tend to end up corrupting and that is they are not being satisfied with what they have earned but instead they are living in a fancy life where there have no allocation on their salary. At some other point, i am curious why those people who are in government position are the one who ended up in this dirty actions. Well i guess when it comes on the government corruption i already used about it, but in sports i couldn't think about it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: rosenbauer02 on March 18, 2021, 04:35:57 PM
Corruption in sports will depend on what country you are living. If you get to know the third world country corruption is rampant from smaller unit to high unit handling key positions especially in government units.

It is not a surprise that even in sports people with authority will be most likely to get tempted and becoming a corrupt individual. This is a serious problem in a third world country and the worst is that people are seeing it but they just not minding the things that are happening in their place and it just became normal scenario after all and others had already accepted the fact that this is the usual event to take place.

So sad, but it is the reality to sports and other agency of corrupt individuals. Mostly money is the reason that turns a good man into a bad one.

For me the most corrupt sports that probably take place are basketball and the football. These are two big sports known accross the globe.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on March 18, 2021, 10:58:31 PM
Corruption in sports will depend on what country you are living. If you get to know the third world country corruption is rampant from smaller unit to high unit handling key positions especially in government units.


That's not true, corruption in sport are everywhere. the bigger the sports and its gambling exposure the more there's corruption. Would you believe that even the biggest league in the world like NBA, NFL, and NHL, there's a corruption happening inside?

Me, I believe there's corruption happening although few are only proven though.

I followed more on the NBA since that's what I usually watch and bet.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: arwin100 on March 18, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
Corruption in sports will depend on what country you are living. If you get to know the third world country corruption is rampant from smaller unit to high unit handling key positions especially in government units.

It is not a surprise that even in sports people with authority will be most likely to get tempted and becoming a corrupt individual. This is a serious problem in a third world country and the worst is that people are seeing it but they just not minding the things that are happening in their place and it just became normal scenario after all and others had already accepted the fact that this is the usual event to take place.

So sad, but it is the reality to sports and other agency of corrupt individuals. Mostly money is the reason that turns a good man into a bad one.

For me the most corrupt sports that probably take place are basketball and the football. These are two big sports known accross the globe.

What? Everywhere corruption in sports is happening and you can see it even in minor leagues, although sometimes its not totally visible but you can observe how the teams and other officials work with the whole system, also its not really surprising to see this since theres a huge money involve and everyones belief will be flipdown ones they offered a big bunch of cash just to do something which can give an advantage to their opponents.

I agree most of this happen on football and basketball since this two sports are the biggest sports which gives heavy cash flow.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Quidat on March 18, 2021, 11:58:49 PM
Corruption in sports will depend on what country you are living. If you get to know the third world country corruption is rampant from smaller unit to high unit handling key positions especially in government units.

It is not a surprise that even in sports people with authority will be most likely to get tempted and becoming a corrupt individual. This is a serious problem in a third world country and the worst is that people are seeing it but they just not minding the things that are happening in their place and it just became normal scenario after all and others had already accepted the fact that this is the usual event to take place.

So sad, but it is the reality to sports and other agency of corrupt individuals. Mostly money is the reason that turns a good man into a bad one.

For me the most corrupt sports that probably take place are basketball and the football. These are two big sports known accross the globe.

What? Everywhere corruption in sports is happening and you can see it even in minor leagues, although sometimes its not totally visible but you can observe how the teams and other officials work with the whole system, also its not really surprising to see this since theres a huge money involve and everyones belief will be flipdown ones they offered a big bunch of cash just to do something which can give an advantage to their opponents.

I agree most of this happen on football and basketball since this two sports are the biggest sports which gives heavy cash flow.
Normally it would really be present on those sports which do generate tons of money and you are right that this is indeed happening but those are situations which cant really be seen that easily.
but as a sports lover or fan then you can eventually able to tell if there is something happening shady with those plays out from those players which you would really assumpt that this is somewhat a rigged one.
We can be that suspicious but we cant really prove it out but the probabilities are there.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kittygalore on March 19, 2021, 03:47:16 AM
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Maybe that is a scenario from the other higher officials who involve in the corruptions because sometimes, that can hide their prove about the corruptions. If some officials getting jails, that will be temporary, but the truth is, they can handle the other corruptions from the jail because their network is too wider. We really need clean officials who can work to eradicate corruption, and although that is not easy, they need to cooperate with the other officials who also can be trusted.
Easy to say that we eradicate corruption but the only way to really have it completely eradicated is when we do an ironclad policies regarding corruption like death penalty for proven cases of corruption. Honestly, it is going to be difficult to eradicate corruption because we can't defeat human nature that is the root of corruption, with people that is striving for more power, wealth and influence, I think that we still haven't got any progress of eradicating it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on March 19, 2021, 09:19:57 AM
Corruption is really common in a higher position, there is always corruption and I don't think that it would be removed in a certain country, greediness is always the reason why corruption happens, even though they already have a stable life, good life and good money they still want more their way on this is not a good thing because they are stealing the money of other people. In our country as well, that statement is really common, the good thing in our country is that our president has lessen the corruption unlike before wherein the corruption is really obvious and most of the officials are doing it.

The reason is not greed, but in the system itself: when an official disposes of what does not belong to him, the temptation to profit from this is very great. Where there is a state, there will always be corruption. There is practically no corruption in private business, since the owner will not steal from himself.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ewox on March 19, 2021, 11:05:29 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Vaculin on March 19, 2021, 11:26:35 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: traderethereum on March 19, 2021, 11:36:56 AM
It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.
Literally no one is going to work for free and the government's offer because of their excellence in sports is justified with such offer but stastically most sportsmen retires and keep living as rich life for few years and they will completely disappear when they exhaust their balance, only few sports person managed to understand they need to keep their source of income via investing to keep their life style high all the time.
If the payment for the sportsmen is good, they can retire without thinking of searching the other job to earn money.
But not many of them can have that such a good life and many can not get rich from sports.
Maybe they can not manage their money and need more support from the governments by giving them a chance to work as government officers.
That trigger some sportsmen to involve in the corruptions circle without thinking about the risk of their career and if they caught, they could not get another good offer from other instances.

It might be their solution for a faster way of retirement.
Making money out of sports is limited. When you are not that strong anymore (old) they will kick you out.
Injuries is also a problem. Accidents can happen anytime.

What happens afterward if you don't find anything to make money?  A job. Companies with age requirements and will try to avoid old applicants.
This is just one of the reason I can think of.
There may be more.

If it is on of their reasons, I guess I'm gonna be disappointed. Because it's not them who will decide when will the players would quit their passion, that would be devastating for them having no choice but to quit because of corruption in sports, that's pretty messed up to be honest. Athletes are not playing their sports just to earn money, it's because they like it and they dedicated their life for it because it's their passion.

The problem about certain Government is that they abuse their power, they want to control everything so that they could have the profit from all of us.
Not true actually because people who represents their national on international level will be rewarded with a government job in some sector with lot of other offers but who needs a job when they already have money and ready to become an investor from the next day after their retirement?
Who knows about that because if they want to have a job, they can accept the government's offer to work as many people and earn more money monthly besides becoming an investor.
Many athletes work in the government office as a staff, so they can still use their skills from the academy, and also they can back to the sports anytime, especially if their instance needs them.
But we hope that the athletes who work in the government's staff don't commit to making money but should have an effort to serve society.
Besides that, if they can be government staff, they can retire with a monthly pension income or they can get a pension in their old.

It is too strange if the reason for corruption is due to fear of losing a job due to old age and not meeting the requirements.  Humans are given reason to think and while working in the world of sports, they should have mitigated this from the start.  Isn't it just sportsmen who have age requirements.  But there are many other types of jobs that have these requirements.  So, I strongly disagree if the corruption mindset is motivated by a lack of sense of work.  Those who are corrupt are not less intellectual but lack faith.
I think that is not strange because they will have many reasons to corrupt, and most of them have an excuse because they need money for their life.
Maybe they do not have motivated to corrupt because of a lack of sense of work, but they tempted by the money given to them, so they decide to follow the officers corrupt.
Yes, you are correct that saying they lack faith because they can not think about the damage or risk they will get when caught.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: johhnyUA on March 19, 2021, 10:34:50 PM
If anybody is interested there was a good study published way back in 2016 that looked into the different types of sports corruption that look into it not being only or directly affected by money but there's also politics and national pride that come into play. It's a good but lengthy read that explains a lot https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329977201_Corruption_in_Sport

Nice link, thanks. I will quote it for next references to it (and to not forget where it was)
It's like real semi-scientific work, lol  ;D

And yeah, in sport and gambling in all times will be a lot of corruption. This is a reason why top football (and other games) players are so high paid. It's better to pay them more, they will afraid to lose it and will not try to cheat the system.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: RealMalatesta on March 20, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Easy to say that we eradicate corruption but the only way to really have it completely eradicated is when we do an ironclad policies regarding corruption like death penalty for proven cases of corruption. Honestly, it is going to be difficult to eradicate corruption because we can't defeat human nature that is the root of corruption, with people that is striving for more power, wealth and influence, I think that we still haven't got any progress of eradicating it.
I think it is impossible to eradicate corruption, the thing is the officials and not just refs who are corrupted are the ones that are leading it, so who are you going to complain about them? They are at the top so they make all the decisions and unless they are jailed and some new ones come up that are non-corruptible which is another impossible thing, we can't find a way to get rid of them.

It  is really a human nature thing, making tens of millions of dollars from corruption and saying no to it is not something many people would be able to do, I mean I can honestly say that I have never been tested that way, but if I were I think I would probably accept it as well considering not just myself but my family as well. It is hard to find people who would be so good that they would say no to tens of millions of dollars in corruption money so it is going to be very difficult.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: peter0425 on March 20, 2021, 09:36:59 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
Corruption is still corruption no matter what is your motive good or Bad.
Because if we will give consent on their activities then we must allow everything that comes illegal in this world.
and besides they are the only one whos profiting while many are being a victim.

They must be put in jail and suffer from their BS works.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on March 20, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
Corruption is still corruption no matter what is your motive good or Bad.
Because if we will give consent on their activities then we must allow everything that comes illegal in this world.
and besides they are the only one whos profiting while many are being a victim.

They must be put in jail and suffer from their BS works.

Of course as they are the reason why a certain sport loses its reputation, it's not good for the sports in overall. As what we remember, there are some speculation about a conspiracy in NBA in the past, and although it's not happening now, people still have doubt, it will actually stay so it's better to prevent it and jail those people who are doing it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: pilosopotasyo on March 20, 2021, 11:54:06 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

There's corruption everywhere or in any group or organization, there's no perfect organization, people are greedy and they want to exert their power to those who they can control, much more on sports, sports is a multi-billion dollar industry, and there are always greedy players who will connive with corrupt officials and groups to manipulate games because the money that they are going to make is ten times or even bigger than what they are earning.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 21, 2021, 12:55:52 AM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Wexnident on March 21, 2021, 01:10:42 AM
Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: StartupAnalyst on March 21, 2021, 08:07:51 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: freedomgo on March 21, 2021, 10:35:06 PM

Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.

Though not everyone is involve but as long as there's one person in a team that will do the corruption, it already has a huge effect especially for the bettors. Imagine, the 0.5 difference in sports betting could case a huge loss already for the bettors, that if a player will intentionally achieve a certain number to hit a certain point spread or even the totals.

Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: yazher on March 21, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Yeah! there are lots of them in our country mostly some old veterans basketball players or even some old celebrities who are famous in their times and they get enough numbers of votes to win the election. By the way, only a few of them has done their job well and most of the time they been using their position just to make money and to support their financial activities which they've been doing since they were an artist. Most of these guys don't have any idea what they are going to be and how politics runs. the only thing that they know is acting and the area that they covered hasn't got any improvement after they've been elected.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: StartupAnalyst on March 22, 2021, 06:24:50 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ScamViruS on March 22, 2021, 06:52:00 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 22, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on March 22, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.

You can't guarantee that though, human  are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Hamphser on March 22, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  :D


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: MCobian on March 23, 2021, 12:50:28 AM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.
I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  :D

Money can change a person, even someone who has a large income can be tempted by a large amount of money. Because everyone's greed limits
are different, star players who have large incomes may also be involved in corruption. There are always possibilities, so it doesn't guarantee that
star players won't get involved in corruption. Therefore if there is corruption, an in-depth investigation must be carried out so that all parties involved
can be caught.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lorence.xD on March 23, 2021, 03:49:14 AM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 23, 2021, 07:46:16 AM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bitzizzix on March 23, 2021, 08:37:30 AM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.
Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 23, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.
Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.
Yes, the corrupt people will have almost everything to escape from the investigation, and maybe they can pay off the people who know what they did not to tell the officer or police. That will be a big job for the clean officers to try hard to investigate and collect every proves out there, even if they need to use a trap to catch one of the corrupt people. In the government, some people are in that circle, and they can free to do what they want without thinking if they are breaking the law. Sooner or later, justice will be revealed and the bad people will get in jail by the police.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on March 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
~snip~

Like you, I used to naively believe that sooner or later the good guys would beat corruption. How very wrong I was. At present I am sure that the special services have long ago collected so much dirt on most of the people in power that they can be prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time at any time. Corruption is a lever to force the weaker players to play by the rules of the stronger players and protect their interests.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ScamViruS on March 23, 2021, 04:40:40 PM
Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

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You can't guarantee that though, human  are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.

Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on March 23, 2021, 04:52:07 PM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.  
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

Corruptions already been a decade inside this business, there are always the good guys who tried to expose this and just ended up losing careers and be forgotten. It's not something that can easily battle then win but most of the time, before this people brings evidence to fully exposed whatever anomaly that they've known, those high officials that are involved to this behind already made stories to counter the expose.

It's a long battler field unless the officials and not just one but more officials to stand against this practice the very possible that it will end up and clean back the images of this business.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 24, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.
There is no need to go that far, what must be done is to make sure that the players are following the rules and if there is a suspicion of something going on then an investigation must follow to see if something is wrong, if this is done often enough then corruption in the world of sports will be reduced significantly as people that would otherwise be willing to cheat are going to think it twice since they will be afraid of being caught and being penalized.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on March 24, 2021, 04:02:31 AM
~snip~

Like you, I used to naively believe that sooner or later the good guys would beat corruption. How very wrong I was. At present I am sure that the special services have long ago collected so much dirt on most of the people in power that they can be prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time at any time. Corruption is a lever to force the weaker players to play by the rules of the stronger players and protect their interests.
No, we are not wrong thinking like that because no matter if that is hard, I believe the corruption can get solved. But it would need a long time to solve the case one by one because corruption already happened a long time ago. And if the corruption can solve it could be related to the old corruption that has already happened, especially if it's related to the old officer involved in the corruption at that time. We as a citizen can only hope the corruption can get solved in the future.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 24, 2021, 06:33:20 AM
Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.
But we never know how many of the superstars were caught like 50% or 20% or everyone?

They will be living like a superstar until they get caught but match fixing reduced a lot due to the better camera quality so even if they try to cheat they will get caught in the end.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ucy on March 24, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

The bolded will likely not work if everyone is not very transparent. Imagine what will happen in a society where most people are completely transparent (no privacy/anonymity), while some secretly avoid being totally transparent. If the secret ones are evil, they will likely harm the transparent ones secretly. I think everyone has to be completely transparent and good for this to work.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: perfect999 on March 24, 2021, 10:37:42 AM
Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.
I think governments could do this, governments could handle something like this if they wanted to. Let's face it, the leagues all around the world is under control of the government a bit but not a whole lot and they try to be as supportive as possible since it is a good thing for the community and I get that, but UEFA which is a private organization has a lot more say about the teams than any government, while governments could do something about a team, UEFA could literally force it to close by punishing them constantly if they wanted to.

This is why it is obvious that we should be focusing on the governments, they could fire all the responsible people and charge UEFA with criminal act for all the corruption and that could end it all. However I know that none of those politicians would do it because obviously they are in it as well.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Silberman on March 27, 2021, 04:30:51 AM
Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.
But we never know how many of the superstars were caught like 50% or 20% or everyone?

They will be living like a superstar until they get caught but match fixing reduced a lot due to the better camera quality so even if they try to cheat they will get caught in the end.
Things have changed thanks to the increase on the popularity of sports all over the world, for a star now it does not make sense to cheat as much as before because they are being paid a fortune on and off the field, while decades ago this was not the case as television rights did not paid as much money during these days so many stars were more willing to cheat because the money was worth it for them, that does not mean that corruption has been eradicated, it is not, but we are slowly moving in the right direction.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: maydna on March 27, 2021, 06:04:06 AM
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

The bolded will likely not work if everyone is not very transparent. Imagine what will happen in a society where most people are completely transparent (no privacy/anonymity), while some secretly avoid being totally transparent. If the secret ones are evil, they will likely harm the transparent ones secretly. I think everyone has to be completely transparent and good for this to work.

It is hard to expect them for transparency, especially if they are organized for a long time. Corruption is a big thing that already happens in many businesses, and when some good officers want to eradicate it, they need to have a strong backup from the high-level officers. Otherwise, those good officers will not survive in their job or even their lives. Yes, it needs time to eradicate. Although it is hard, it still needs to do because the root of corruption already reaches the low level of the officers. It needs more support from all good officers who don't want corruption to happen so that all things can be good in the future.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ucy on April 09, 2021, 09:58:24 AM
I think this is cancer in many countries. In my own country every year people claim some footballers are getting sold out in specific high rate matches so they make small teams win against bigger teams. Referees are rumored to be fixing match results by giving weird red/yellow cards and random penalties.


I wonder what the football governing bodies do if evidences for accusations of that nature are presented to them? Do they ignore or investigate them thoroughly and transparently?  I strongly believe taking every important complaint of fraud seriously and addressing it satisfactory will certainly help reduce corruption. And it's important to always have witnesses and evidences to support the fraud accusations. A good judge should be able to know the truth and pass judgment that both the accused and accuser can't find fault in.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: aioc on April 09, 2021, 11:04:34 AM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yamifoud on April 09, 2021, 11:15:26 AM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

The government has to act on this, this is betrayal of public trust because sports are supported by fans and the fans are the public. The greed for money is the main reason, but without a strong implementation of law, this would become rampant.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: molsewid on April 09, 2021, 01:22:26 PM
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.
Sad to say these people are really exists they don't care whether their reputation gone ruining coz what matters to them was they can earn and generate a profit favourable to them. But what was worst than we think was it does existed in any kind of organization sometimes even in small organization and yeah even in sports it also happened. These people are the reason why sometimes involving in sports betting are crucial because they have the power to control the game which is toxic and it sucks.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on April 09, 2021, 01:24:39 PM
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

I condemn such people, but I understand where they come from. In many sports, a negligible number of players make more or less normal profits. Do you agree that it is quite difficult to spend all your youth on one sport and realize that you will not be a top player and your efforts will not pay off? I think disappointed such people are trying to make money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on April 09, 2021, 01:28:59 PM
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

I condemn such people, but I understand where they come from. In many sports, a negligible number of players make more or less normal profits. Do you agree that it is quite difficult to spend all your youth on one sport and realize that you will not be a top player and your efforts will not pay off? I think disappointed such people are trying to make money.

But that is still not a good excuse, you choose that sport, you should love and respect it, when you cheat you are cheating the fans of the sport and I don't think that's acceptable.

Let's put it this way, a certain league like NBA is very successful because the fans are supporting it, watching the game and buying their stuff that's why the organization were able to pay their players with lucrative salary, but if one player will rig a game and it was discovered, that's a shame for the entire organization and bad image for the NBA and possible other sports will be affected.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: qory on April 09, 2021, 02:11:48 PM
Maybe you should make a topic with corruption on the forum. especially with all those corrupt DT members that are involved in this business.
Jollygood for example.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Pamadar on April 09, 2021, 02:53:07 PM


Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
People who are doing this are ruining the reputation of the sports where they belong, they are not the top players and officials of the sports so they want to destroy it, they only want money and they don't care about the organizations, we have these kinds of people in every organization, we have a saying in every jungle there are snakes, so don't be surprised if we have these kinds of people in the sporting world.

The government has to act on this, this is betrayal of public trust because sports are supported by fans and the fans are the public. The greed for money is the main reason, but without a strong implementation of law, this would become rampant.

The greed for money is key factor, the very reason why this kind of issue is still existing up to know,

Worse things happened as it influenced more sports gambling all over the world, big and small  this corruptions are very active, lots
of people are engage to this events, very need to implement strong rules about it and try to clean it out if there's still possibilities.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 09, 2021, 03:54:35 PM
I think this is cancer in many countries. In my own country every year people claim some footballers are getting sold out in specific high rate matches so they make small teams win against bigger teams. Referees are rumored to be fixing match results by giving weird red/yellow cards and random penalties.
I think that is happening to many countries because the corrupt people or the country's officers will still try to search for the chance to get the dirty money. They can use many ways to corrupt the money, especially in sports, because that is big money involved in that business, so they will not let the chance is gone. The public will not know if the referees will be fixing match results as that will be under other people's hands. The referees can only do their job and let the rest will arrange by the corrupt officials.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fortify on April 09, 2021, 04:33:30 PM
What sort of country do you live in that sports has such a corruption issue? Might it be Russia? It does happen in many countries but if sports people are corrupt, that is usually because the government has widespread corruption and it filters through everything in day to day life. You can usually set up rules and transparency that mean cheaters can be caught over the long term, so it is not difficult to stop it if they really wanted to. Some countries think that winning at all costs is better than playing fairly, which again is a weak mentality that encourages people to take short cuts like using banned performance enhancing drugs. If you have such a big and prominent issue with sports then it is usually a sign of poor morality pervading through your whole society which cannot be fixed by a few band-aid solutions.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: hahay on April 09, 2021, 04:46:46 PM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mirakal on April 09, 2021, 10:09:24 PM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.

Politicians are not close in participating in this corruption, especially a major sports, but for small sports, then probably they can but if fans knows what's going on, will they still play and enjoy the game? I think no, that doesn't makes sense anymore to follow, maybe that's one of the reasons why there are countries who love international league than their local league, probably due to some corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: BuNga_cute on April 09, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
I think this is cancer in many countries. In my own country every year people claim some footballers are getting sold out in specific high rate matches so they make small teams win against bigger teams. Referees are rumored to be fixing match results by giving weird red/yellow cards and random penalties.
I think that is happening to many countries because the corrupt people or the country's officers will still try to search for the chance to get the dirty money. They can use many ways to corrupt the money, especially in sports, because that is big money involved in that business, so they will not let the chance is gone. The public will not know if the referees will be fixing match results as that will be under other people's hands. The referees can only do their job and let the rest will arrange by the corrupt officials.

There are always greedy people who want to get large amounts of money through corruption. Moreover, in the world of sports, there are
so many corruptors. What makes sports so attractive to corruptors, because it is usually related to sports betting which can generate a lot of
money if the result of the match can be arranged. Therefore, until now there are always cases of corruption in the sports world, because
in my opinion corruption is always permanent and it is very difficult to eradicate.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 10, 2021, 01:39:06 AM
I think this is cancer in many countries. In my own country every year people claim some footballers are getting sold out in specific high rate matches so they make small teams win against bigger teams. Referees are rumored to be fixing match results by giving weird red/yellow cards and random penalties.
I think that is happening to many countries because the corrupt people or the country's officers will still try to search for the chance to get the dirty money. They can use many ways to corrupt the money, especially in sports, because that is big money involved in that business, so they will not let the chance is gone. The public will not know if the referees will be fixing match results as that will be under other people's hands. The referees can only do their job and let the rest will arrange by the corrupt officials.

There are always greedy people who want to get large amounts of money through corruption. Moreover, in the world of sports, there are
so many corruptors. What makes sports so attractive to corruptors, because it is usually related to sports betting which can generate a lot of
money if the result of the match can be arranged. Therefore, until now there are always cases of corruption in the sports world, because
in my opinion corruption is always permanent and it is very difficult to eradicate.
Yes, that is right. Greedy people will always want to get more money but they do not see that they have a limit which is luck that will not always come to them. The corruption is not permanent but it is difficult to eradicate and only with honest officers that can do that with big support from the government and all section. But so far, many a high officer also part of that corruption so that is made difficult to eradicate it. I am sure someday, corruption will not happen the most.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sebas.tian on April 10, 2021, 07:36:41 AM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.
All i could see here is betrayal of public trust. We the public trusted them and made them head these organizations or clubs and they aren't be trusted by the same individual who put them there. Also, i think the problem also come from us the public becasue we are still same individual who will go ahead to defend these criminals becasue they belong to our constituencies or family members. The laws of the land should catch up with any who is find braking the law period and others will learn.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mauser on April 10, 2021, 11:58:15 AM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.
All i could see here is betrayal of public trust. We the public trusted them and made them head these organizations or clubs and they aren't be trusted by the same individual who put them there. Also, i think the problem also come from us the public becasue we are still same individual who will go ahead to defend these criminals becasue they belong to our constituencies or family members. The laws of the land should catch up with any who is find braking the law period and others will learn.

I fully agree with you. The laws are just to mild for corruption in my opinion. If there would be longer prison sentences and more monetary backslashes then athlete's would think twice before doing something wrong. Salaries are already high for the big teams, there is no need to break the trust of the fans and industry. Then again fans keep forgetting quite fast. When there is only a 1 or 2 year ban for cheating than everything is forgotten. With so much money involved in the betting market we need tougher controls against corruption and manipulation.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on April 10, 2021, 01:34:49 PM
I condemn such people, but I understand where they come from. In many sports, a negligible number of players make more or less normal profits. Do you agree that it is quite difficult to spend all your youth on one sport and realize that you will not be a top player and your efforts will not pay off? I think disappointed such people are trying to make money.

But that is still not a good excuse, you choose that sport, you should love and respect it, when you cheat you are cheating the fans of the sport and I don't think that's acceptable.

Let's put it this way, a certain league like NBA is very successful because the fans are supporting it, watching the game and buying their stuff that's why the organization were able to pay their players with lucrative salary, but if one player will rig a game and it was discovered, that's a shame for the entire organization and bad image for the NBA and possible other sports will be affected.

Of course this is a bad excuse, but it is a good reason for a scammer to be dishonest. If you have noticed, then any fraudster primarily thinks about himself and his own benefit, and not about society and the global consequences of his actions. I see the reason for these actions. I don’t know how to fix this because in sports the majority will always be the losers.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: blockman on April 10, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.
It's not about the athlete but it's about the management that handles these athletes. These athletes were ones a dreamer and won't replace the career that they have ever dreamed of for corruption.
It's just the people that handle them that get corrupt because of big money that can be offered to them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: just_Alice on April 10, 2021, 08:04:46 PM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.
It's not always sportsmen that "run the game" and establish these rules, especially if we're talking about those, who are new in sports. Sometimes the sportsmen can simply be faced with the fact that they should follow someone's orders and they realize, that it's either they who will take the bribe and the glory or this will be proposed to someone else, a competitor, for instance. Even if they don't want to in such situations there's not much choice. Either dump your career or accept the proposal. The sports industry is swarming with corruption schemes, so, unfortunately, one has to get used to it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Rengga Jati on April 10, 2021, 08:26:44 PM
I think that is happening to many countries because the corrupt people or the country's officers will still try to search for the chance to get the dirty money.
And this problem will never end because money is legit, everything needs money,more you get money, more money you want, and this, corruption likely will never end  ;D (should I laugh or be sad??)  ;D ;D ;D :(

And worse, it is not only about corruption but also the gambling game behind the sports itself. Sometimes the big bookies ask a club to win or lose in order to win gambling. And this is actually very unfair to the sports world.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 11, 2021, 03:42:47 AM
I think that is happening to many countries because the corrupt people or the country's officers will still try to search for the chance to get the dirty money.
And this problem will never end because money is legit, everything needs money,more you get money, more money you want, and this, corruption likely will never end  ;D (should I laugh or be sad??)  ;D ;D ;D :(

And worse, it is not only about corruption but also the gambling game behind the sports itself. Sometimes the big bookies ask a club to win or lose in order to win gambling. And this is actually very unfair to the sports world.
That is the fact because that happens a long time ago. People will never be satisfied, especially if they already got huge money and that makes them search for more. You can do both laugh and sad at the same time ;D

When corruption happens, the corrupt people will search for other things to make fast money, and that is also happening in sports. The big bookies can arrange the sports and determine which team can win or lose, and with support from the corrupt officer, they can easily get the big money. But hopefully, in the future, everything can change although that is hard to eradicate.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: pawanjain on April 11, 2021, 03:54:40 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Corruption is something that will never end because of the greed that lies in almost every other human. Not only sportsmen but every other person has some kind of greed.
Some have the ability to control themselves for their moral duty while the other do not and end up being corrupted.
Even is the government try to end corruption it will take a long time for corruption to be demolished in a particular field.
Even then I believe that at least some portion of it will still be left and it will never end.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: finaleshot2016 on April 11, 2021, 05:20:40 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Why don't they take action against the government first? There are far too many crooked and inept government officials who are simply swimming in people's money. In the sports league, there are many match fixings, which is really unfair to those who are trying to bet on their favorite teams. So, if they can't get rid of corruption in government, I believe that corruption in smaller cases, such as sports, will continue.

As long as people are trying to deceive others for money, corruption will exist.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: molsewid on April 23, 2021, 05:21:54 PM
Why don't they take action against the government first? There are far too many crooked and inept government officials who are simply swimming in people's money. In the sports league, there are many match fixings, which is really unfair to those who are trying to bet on their favorite teams. So, if they can't get rid of corruption in government, I believe that corruption in smaller cases, such as sports, will continue.

As long as people are trying to deceive others for money, corruption will exist.

Well based on my observation politicians are only good for there purposes when they are running for a position but once they were on the position they are already forgotten what are those of their platforms and programs and I don't know but maybe some of them has their own agenda for running in that position. So what I truly mean was I guess corruption was already been part of politics and couldn't be doubt even in sports corruption would be present.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on April 23, 2021, 05:35:03 PM
Why don't they take action against the government first? There are far too many crooked and inept government officials who are simply swimming in people's money. In the sports league, there are many match fixings, which is really unfair to those who are trying to bet on their favorite teams. So, if they can't get rid of corruption in government, I believe that corruption in smaller cases, such as sports, will continue.

As long as people are trying to deceive others for money, corruption will exist.

Well based on my observation politicians are only good for there purposes when they are running for a position but once they were on the position they are already forgotten what are those of their platforms and programs and I don't know but maybe some of them has their own agenda for running in that position. So what I truly mean was I guess corruption was already been part of politics and couldn't be doubt even in sports corruption would be present.

Definitely right! Politicians always that way having a flowering words during the campaign they are great pointing their plans and platforms but after that once they'll get to the office nothing or most are not being implemented.

Corruptions always been their in terms of sports gambling, those illegal doers are expert from this field they are well-organized executing this activities.

It take a decade cleaning it up or we can say to lessen this illegalities inside this business.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on April 23, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Well based on my observation politicians are only good for there purposes when they are running for a position but once they were on the position they are already forgotten what are those of their platforms and programs and I don't know but maybe some of them has their own agenda for running in that position. So what I truly mean was I guess corruption was already been part of politics and couldn't be doubt even in sports corruption would be present.

Corruption occurs where officials redistribute other people's resources. If the sport was run entirely by businessmen (as it should be), then there would be no corruption. It is very stupid to steal from oneself - the owner is most interested in the fact that everything is fine with the enterprise, while the official does not care.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: romero121 on April 23, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
Well based on my observation politicians are only good for there purposes when they are running for a position but once they were on the position they are already forgotten what are those of their platforms and programs and I don't know but maybe some of them has their own agenda for running in that position. So what I truly mean was I guess corruption was already been part of politics and couldn't be doubt even in sports corruption would be present.

Corruption occurs where officials redistribute other people's resources. If the sport was run entirely by businessmen (as it should be), then there would be no corruption. It is very stupid to steal from oneself - the owner is most interested in the fact that everything is fine with the enterprise, while the official does not care.
When the same handled by businessmen there is possible chances of corruption and I've come across some information relative to the Indian Premier League. In some finals the match is predicted as a loss for Mumbai Indians and finally they've won the trophy.

IPL tournament is full of fame and a big business is tied to it. Mumbai Indians is owned by the richest person of India. Based on that some news got spread, he might have paid the opponents. I'm not sure this is true, I've mentioned it to state corruption doesn't have any differentiation. It happens with businessman officials and with all levels, because in some way it gets connected with money/fame.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: YOSHIE on April 23, 2021, 07:13:19 PM
Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment. If they do corruption, many sports officials are caught for committing corruption, sport should not become a culture among sports officials, I hope that in the future the world of sports will truly have leaders with honest and upright spirits, This should not happen again, considering that sport is an arena that involves the community for a more decent and prosperous life without corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on April 23, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: johhnyUA on April 23, 2021, 09:20:23 PM
Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment. If they do corruption, many sports officials are caught for committing corruption, sport should not become a culture among sports officials, I hope that in the future the world of sports will truly have leaders with honest and upright spirits, This should not happen again, considering that sport is an arena that involves the community for a more decent and prosperous life without corruption.

In your country (if i remember correctly - Japan) football players (in majority) paid not so well as even ukrainian (we even not talk about russian players, which can be paid with millions of dollars per year). If player is not get paid well, he can fall under some shady agreements like fixed games . This is how life is going


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iTradeChips on April 24, 2021, 08:18:54 AM
Politicians will always do politics everywhere and of course, they'll use sports to their advantage. We also have a serious problem on our Sports agency where being played by the politics over the past decades and until now. Athletes are suffering because of them and some good athletes was not able to compete because of no funds at all, knowing the corrupt officials it will be hard to have a good sports agency on our country, this is why we didn't experience to participate on Olympics. 

Sports unfortunately has been marred with issues ever since money, big money got involved in it. Maybe in old times rigging has already been a fixation, if not rampart, in any sports. So the issue really is how to get rid of that corruption and how to be able to make a big revamp of the sports industry, how it is governed, how teams are managed and most important of all, how it can be a clean game without tampering of powerful forces that wants to earn big easy money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AmoreJaz on April 24, 2021, 12:22:15 PM
Politicians will always do politics everywhere and of course, they'll use sports to their advantage. We also have a serious problem on our Sports agency where being played by the politics over the past decades and until now. Athletes are suffering because of them and some good athletes was not able to compete because of no funds at all, knowing the corrupt officials it will be hard to have a good sports agency on our country, this is why we didn't experience to participate on Olympics.  
Sports unfortunately has been marred with issues ever since money, big money got involved in it. Maybe in old times rigging has already been a fixation, if not rampart, in any sports. So the issue really is how to get rid of that corruption and how to be able to make a big revamp of the sports industry, how it is governed, how teams are managed and most important of all, how it can be a clean game without tampering of powerful forces that wants to earn big easy money.

the idea is great but i dont think we can eradicate corruption in the sports industry. corruption has been in all kinds of industries, and you can find it in all forms. so dont really expect that we will see a clean industry thru and thru.
lets just accept the fact that it does exist. what we can do is just dont participate when you are at that situation. you cant expect others to follow you but at least you will have clear conscience if you decide not to get involved


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on April 24, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
Corruption occurs where officials redistribute other people's resources. If the sport was run entirely by businessmen (as it should be), then there would be no corruption. It is very stupid to steal from oneself - the owner is most interested in the fact that everything is fine with the enterprise, while the official does not care.
When the same handled by businessmen there is possible chances of corruption and I've come across some information relative to the Indian Premier League. In some finals the match is predicted as a loss for Mumbai Indians and finally they've won the trophy.

IPL tournament is full of fame and a big business is tied to it. Mumbai Indians is owned by the richest person of India. Based on that some news got spread, he might have paid the opponents. I'm not sure this is true, I've mentioned it to state corruption doesn't have any differentiation. It happens with businessman officials and with all levels, because in some way it gets connected with money/fame.

These are isolated cases (or at least their percentage is small), since a very small number of owners are ready to harm their business with dirty deeds. That club owner from India, if he does business like that, he will soon cease to be the richest man in India. Officials, on the other hand, are devoid of concern for the welfare of business - they manage other people's resources, therefore, they more easily become involved in corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 24, 2021, 02:19:59 PM
Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
Maybe there is a punishment, but that is only for the formality and they let the public knows about that, but they really do not mean about the punishment. But the corruption is everywhere in many businesses, and it makes many corrupt officials involved in that business.

I agree that if the law is abode and the punishment really gives to the corrupt people, that will make the violators think twice and not try to corrupt. That can reduce the number of corruption that will happen.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: uneng on April 24, 2021, 03:19:55 PM
Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
Maybe there is a punishment, but that is only for the formality and they let the public knows about that, but they really do not mean about the punishment. But the corruption is everywhere in many businesses, and it makes many corrupt officials involved in that business.

I agree that if the law is abode and the punishment really gives to the corrupt people, that will make the violators think twice and not try to corrupt. That can reduce the number of corruption that will happen.
The problem with corruption punishments is that when the big fishes are caught, they aren't punished accordingly, as they are connected to judiciary and political members. As they are protected, the impunity reigns in the country, because the common citizens see what happens at the upper levels of the society and don't have any positive examples to follow.
So the common people also go through the corrupt way, as if the big fishes aren't punished, they believe to not be punished as well. And that is what is seen in every sectors of the society. In sports, corrupt referees receives bribery to favor a team or another, what creates chaos among the crowd/fans, leading to violent fights, which result in casualties sometimes. In the end, nothing happens to people involved on these acts or just some of them receive a penalty.

It's just a consequence example of impunity reigning.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 24, 2021, 06:45:34 PM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on April 24, 2021, 09:16:42 PM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.
Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 25, 2021, 04:22:21 AM
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The problem with corruption punishments is that when the big fishes are caught, they aren't punished accordingly, as they are connected to judiciary and political members. As they are protected, the impunity reigns in the country, because the common citizens see what happens at the upper levels of the society and don't have any positive examples to follow.
So the common people also go through the corrupt way, as if the big fishes aren't punished, they believe to not be punished as well. And that is what is seen in every sectors of the society. In sports, corrupt referees receives bribery to favor a team or another, what creates chaos among the crowd/fans, leading to violent fights, which result in casualties sometimes. In the end, nothing happens to people involved on these acts or just some of them receive a penalty.

It's just a consequence example of impunity reigning.
Unfortunately, the punishment has been given to the common citizens because the upper levels of the society seem untouchable by the law. That makes the corruption in high-level citizens still happen without people out there knows because they get something like immunity from the law. The common people will get punish and get in jail, while when the high-level citizens get in jail, they will get more luxury amenities than the common people. That gives social jealousy among the people, but the government does not do anything.

That is happening in any country. But we do not know if that is happening because the media has been paid not to tell the public.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on April 25, 2021, 04:59:55 AM
If player is not get paid well, he can fall under some shady agreements like fixed games . This is how life is going
That really triggers players to get into corruption if they are not well compensated. Because if they do, they wouldn't let themselves be part of corruption and match fixing.

It is all about the money and as we know in sports, there's a lot of money that gets in and out through it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mauser on April 25, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

It seems that in most countries the punishment is just not enough severe enough. In my opinion when caught cheating there should always be a lifetime sports ban and a civil charge to recover the last 2 years salary. It can't be that the athletes are being paid millions and break the trust of the fans like that. Even Valve lowered their punishments on cheaters and will let them play again after a few years. There shouldn't be new chances if you are caught. They are already lucky not to go to prison.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iTradeChips on April 25, 2021, 11:48:53 AM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Paying penalties, fees, and not playing for a specific number of seasons or weeks is for me a very light punishment. We need strict regulations that would ensure these people to be punished severely for their actions like tampering and game manipulation. Suspension is already good, but there should be jail time as well. If not jail time, then at least community work and public apology should also be adequate punishments. Them knowing many people already know their previous deed would ensure that they will play fair next time.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Slow death on April 25, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
In my country there is a very big and serious problem, the corruption that is in the sport is something very big and worrying, the tournament winners are decided before the tournament starts, to be some club manager in my country, it is necessary that people whether from the political party in power, all sponsors only sponsor sports clubs where there are only presidents of the ruling party, corruption is very high in my country and sport is not evolving for that reason

Corruption seems to have become a disease that is hard to get rid of in sports circles, in this case it does not only happen in your country, my country also has the same thing, Corrupt behavior with a consumptive lifestyle makes people close their eyes to punishment.

in africa corruption is at a frightening level, in all areas corruption is involved, if the person is not corrupt in africa then that person cannot get involved in government and sport positions, or he will either have a heart attack or he will be murdered


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yamifoud on April 25, 2021, 12:12:34 PM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.

Paying penalties, fees, and not playing for a specific number of seasons or weeks is for me a very light punishment. We need strict regulations that would ensure these people to be punished severely for their actions like tampering and game manipulation. Suspension is already good, but there should be jail time as well. If not jail time, then at least community work and public apology should also be adequate punishments. Them knowing many people already know their previous deed would ensure that they will play fair next time.

That's correct, this is just a small league so these players has not put a lot of value as if they will be suspended here, they can still look for other league to play since they have the talent, the bad thing is, they can still do the same rigging again which only makes our sports reputation worst.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 25, 2021, 07:03:49 PM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.
Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.
What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

It seems that in most countries the punishment is just not enough severe enough. In my opinion when caught cheating there should always be a lifetime sports ban and a civil charge to recover the last 2 years salary. It can't be that the athletes are being paid millions and break the trust of the fans like that. Even Valve lowered their punishments on cheaters and will let them play again after a few years. There shouldn't be new chances if you are caught. They are already lucky not to go to prison.
Yes, their ruling isn't that much too scary and needs to sharpen the teeth of their law regards to this issue.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on April 25, 2021, 09:07:33 PM
Sometimes the punishment is really a problem, on some countries, when someone caught cheating in sports, a cheater will just be fine on or ban, there's no criminal liability, if that punishment will be serious, then I guess these violators will think twice before doing it.
That's right, the punishment for some countries don't have the teeth and they're just going to pay the fine and they're going to render the days that's punished to them upon suspension.
Those punishments are easy to take because they're just going to pay and if their suspended, they'll just go into training and they're going to be back soon.
Maybe the cases is not so rampant yet, but the moment they see that it's been widely abuse, then probably they will amend the rules to put a more serious punishment on anyone who violate the law particularly the "game fixing" which could involve big money especially if its a big market in bookies.
What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.


It's only an isolated if the league will not make a serious action on this, they maybe are trying to protect their reputation without knowing it will only make this kind of activity to spread in the league, and people will slowly loss their trust on the league especially the advertisers which usually gives a good amount for the success of the league. you know, reputation really matters a lot and they need to protect it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 26, 2021, 05:22:51 PM
What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

It's only an isolated if the league will not make a serious action on this, they maybe are trying to protect their reputation without knowing it will only make this kind of activity to spread in the league, and people will slowly loss their trust on the league especially the advertisers which usually gives a good amount for the success of the league. you know, reputation really matters a lot and they need to protect it.
Reputation does matters and that's why a league's management are getting rid of it as much as they can and, as soon as they've found out that something like this existed.
But hopefully, most of these corruptions and sell outs won't happen anymore in bigger leagues that we've used to follow because their following are really high and they know how huge the fan base they have in the world.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 27, 2021, 02:42:49 PM
What I think is that cases like these have became isolated. And for those who are risking their sports career and have no choice be involved on it are really forced due to those reasons and other management issues that they've found.

It's only an isolated if the league will not make a serious action on this, they maybe are trying to protect their reputation without knowing it will only make this kind of activity to spread in the league, and people will slowly loss their trust on the league especially the advertisers which usually gives a good amount for the success of the league. you know, reputation really matters a lot and they need to protect it.
Reputation does matters and that's why a league's management are getting rid of it as much as they can and, as soon as they've found out that something like this existed.
But hopefully, most of these corruptions and sell outs won't happen anymore in bigger leagues that we've used to follow because their following are really high and they know how huge the fan base they have in the world.
Although eradicating the corruptions is not easy, we need to be sure that someday that thing can eliminate from sports so people and fans can enjoy the match without any fixing match from the corrupt people.
It is a big job from the clean officers to investigate all people who corrupt in sports, and that will need time to reveal all of the things in the public. Hopefully, everything will solve in the right time.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: carlisle1 on April 27, 2021, 03:09:48 PM
Reputation does matters and that's why a league's management are getting rid of it as much as they can and, as soon as they've found out that something like this existed.
They'll lose a lot if they'll not take any actions whenever there's information regarding to this corruptions or other illegal things that present
from their jurisdiction.  Good thing that there are many people now who are concern about this and willing to help.

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But hopefully, most of these corruptions and sell outs won't happen anymore in bigger leagues that we've used to follow because their following are really high and they know how huge the fan base they have in the world.
Big league are being monitored and likewise, there are many things to risk if something like this was proven, better to avoid or if possible to stop

better to take the action the sooner the possible.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Swopon on April 27, 2021, 05:57:29 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
Whenever a players involved with match fixing for losing the match, there has a huge budget for him to do it and that's how the big gameplay gambling is running. That's why, there has a huge demand for gambling in the market. Corruption and sports are relatively involved with each other.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: DU18 on April 27, 2021, 08:15:39 PM
Corruption has been a big problem in various countries for decades, economic impetus is the initial cause of corrupt behavior, the consumptive lifestyle then plunges more people into corruption, the misguided permissiveness of society and the indifference of the government in eradicating corruption makes it even more prevalent and also does not escape, corruption has now spread to sports, which have always had the motto "uphold sportsmanship" as if now they are only used as a gold field to get wealth by those who claim to love sports, even in my country there have been several changes of sports ministers involved in corruption cases and it seems that now this corruption has become a culture for officials.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 27, 2021, 08:38:00 PM
Although eradicating the corruptions is not easy, we need to be sure that someday that thing can eliminate from sports so people and fans can enjoy the match without any fixing match from the corrupt people.
It is a big job from the clean officers to investigate all people who corrupt in sports, and that will need time to reveal all of the things in the public. Hopefully, everything will solve in the right time.
We're also enjoying even without knowing that corruption is happening behind the teams and management. But we just hope for the best that in the future, it will be completely wiped out.

They'll lose a lot if they'll not take any actions whenever there's information regarding to this corruptions or other illegal things that present
from their jurisdiction.  Good thing that there are many people now who are concern about this and willing to help.
It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 28, 2021, 05:27:01 AM
Although eradicating the corruptions is not easy, we need to be sure that someday that thing can eliminate from sports so people and fans can enjoy the match without any fixing match from the corrupt people.
It is a big job from the clean officers to investigate all people who corrupt in sports, and that will need time to reveal all of the things in the public. Hopefully, everything will solve in the right time.
We're also enjoying even without knowing that corruption is happening behind the teams and management. But we just hope for the best that in the future, it will be completely wiped out.
People who do not know about corruption happen in that sports will enjoy and not think the match already set it up. If we have more clean officers fighting against corruption, sooner or later, that corruption will be wiped out, making the sports clean from the corruption.

They'll lose a lot if they'll not take any actions whenever there's information regarding to this corruptions or other illegal things that present
from their jurisdiction.  Good thing that there are many people now who are concern about this and willing to help.
It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.
Yes, both of you are right. It needs an investigate furthermore to know who is the person behind of the corruption. If the person can do something if they got the information about the corruption, it could give the chance to do something to know deeper.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Alucard1 on April 28, 2021, 06:04:18 AM
Corruption is everywhere even in sports, even if the government will intervene, there are still greedy people who will commit a crime to serve their personal interest. Sports fixing brings big money to fixers, that's why they will not stop if they will not get caught, this is not new, not only in our country but it's all over the world as the world game-fixing is happening in every country.
Yeah thats true, corruption is very common in many factors of our lives, that is why I am so tired of gambling because most of the time I feel like the platform that I am playing is not fair or just a scam. In any gambling website or any casino gambling the owner of the gambling will always be the winner, it is really hard for us to win on it because there is always a house edge in any gambling site. Corruption is also very common in any politics that is why most of their promises get broken because of corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: smyslov on April 28, 2021, 10:44:18 AM
It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.

There's connivance among players, officials and authorities and they will get exposed only if some of them have the conscience to expose it, it's hard to catch people rigging and accepting bribes there should be solid pieces of evidence that can prove it, and there's a long trial involves and people are going to forget it because of here very long trial.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 28, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
Although eradicating the corruptions is not easy, we need to be sure that someday that thing can eliminate from sports so people and fans can enjoy the match without any fixing match from the corrupt people.
It is a big job from the clean officers to investigate all people who corrupt in sports, and that will need time to reveal all of the things in the public. Hopefully, everything will solve in the right time.
We're also enjoying even without knowing that corruption is happening behind the teams and management. But we just hope for the best that in the future, it will be completely wiped out.
People who do not know about corruption happen in that sports will enjoy and not think the match already set it up. If we have more clean officers fighting against corruption, sooner or later, that corruption will be wiped out, making the sports clean from the corruption.
It's in the background and we don't know how things are going there but let's just hope that things are happening good behind.

They'll lose a lot if they'll not take any actions whenever there's information regarding to this corruptions or other illegal things that present
from their jurisdiction.  Good thing that there are many people now who are concern about this and willing to help.
It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.
Yes, both of you are right. It needs an investigate furthermore to know who is the person behind of the corruption. If the person can do something if they got the information about the corruption, it could give the chance to do something to know deeper.
As usual, when there's an investigation they'll figure it out who's the one behind it unless the involved and caught folks won't say a thing.

It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.

There's connivance among players, officials and authorities and they will get exposed only if some of them have the conscience to expose it, it's hard to catch people rigging and accepting bribes there should be solid pieces of evidence that can prove it, and there's a long trial involves and people are going to forget it because of here very long trial.
That's right, if those involved folks won't say any detail and they're just keep their mouths shut, it's hard for the authorities to figure out who's behind it. Well, it's just giving us thoughts that we should really think of but hoping for the best and issue like this will be mitigated.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Botnake on April 28, 2021, 11:11:59 AM
It's a big business today and that's why there are many who are willing to help but still can't maintain the cleanliness of it. We'll never know the hidden corruption until someone exposes them.

There's connivance among players, officials and authorities and they will get exposed only if some of them have the conscience to expose it, it's hard to catch people rigging and accepting bribes there should be solid pieces of evidence that can prove it, and there's a long trial involves and people are going to forget it because of here very long trial.

When there's a lot of people are involved, it would be easier for them to catch as the rigging will become obvious, and in the long run, one may expose the illegal activities inside. It should be properly investigated, sports is a friendly game, it suppose to bring entertainment so the doubt of the fans should not exist against the reputation of the sports or a certain league.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: MrcMrc on April 28, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on April 28, 2021, 11:31:26 AM
Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
Could be the case but most of the time it is an isolated case. Now that I think of it, you are probably right, if the political system is corrupt then that means that they are tolerating corruption in other aspects too.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 29, 2021, 07:48:36 AM
It's in the background and we don't know how things are going there but let's just hope that things are happening good behind.
Yeah, someday, corruption can eliminate and people will be shy if they are corrupt because the officer's mentality becomes better and maybe there will be a social sanction that will give to them.

As usual, when there's an investigation they'll figure it out who's the one behind it unless the involved and caught folks won't say a thing.
Some of them will say something while others do not say anything. But the big boss behind that corruptions will still free without any investigation because the officer will hard to reveal who is the boss. Maybe the officers can use the undercover way to penetrate into their network so slowly they can know who is corrupt.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: passwordnow on April 29, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
It's in the background and we don't know how things are going there but let's just hope that things are happening good behind.
Yeah, someday, corruption can eliminate and people will be shy if they are corrupt because the officer's mentality becomes better and maybe there will be a social sanction that will give to them.
I think that corruption will remain and if it's no longer big, there will still be some small activities that would exist but as said, we can only hope that things behind that we can't see are going good.

As usual, when there's an investigation they'll figure it out who's the one behind it unless the involved and caught folks won't say a thing.
Some of them will say something while others do not say anything. But the big boss behind that corruptions will still free without any investigation because the officer will hard to reveal who is the boss. Maybe the officers can use the undercover way to penetrate into their network so slowly they can know who is corrupt.
That's the usual case, it's always the big bosses that will be freed and won't get any accusation because the little involved ones will do everything to hide them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Natalim on April 29, 2021, 09:35:07 PM
Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
Could be the case but most of the time it is an isolated case. Now that I think of it, you are probably right, if the political system is corrupt then that means that they are tolerating corruption in other aspects too.

It's only an isolated case because only a few have participated and it's hard to detect corruption in sports. But, in reality, even one person would rig a game, he can make millions of money depending on how valuable he is on a team, a star player gets more minutes so he can help in rigging the game for his favor, whether he lose or win in a particular game, what matters is he serves the purpose to win the bets on the sportsbook.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: samcrypto on April 29, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
Could be the case but most of the time it is an isolated case. Now that I think of it, you are probably right, if the political system is corrupt then that means that they are tolerating corruption in other aspects too.
Some sports are partnering with the politicians so they can have a good access with regards to public documents and there’s a high possibility that a sports club are being organized by many politicians as well especially if the team owner have a great connection in the government. Corruption is everywhere and only players and fans are suffering with this one, I also believe on fixed game most of the time, its all about money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: michellee on April 30, 2021, 02:24:34 PM
I think that corruption will remain and if it's no longer big, there will still be some small activities that would exist but as said, we can only hope that things behind that we can't see are going good.
Yeah, you are right. Someday, the number of corruption will decrease, especially if people can have a better life because when their lives can fill easily, they will not think about searching for the "hot money" and doing the bad things.

That's the usual case, it's always the big bosses that will be freed and won't get any accusation because the little involved ones will do everything to hide them.
That will be hard work to find the big bosses who do the dirty jobs and have a strong network to do corruption. If they can catch, the corruption will decrease sooner or later, and people who often corrupt will think twice to corrupt because they will also get caught someday.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Warren Buffet on April 30, 2021, 04:12:04 PM
Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
Could be the case but most of the time it is an isolated case. Now that I think of it, you are probably right, if the political system is corrupt then that means that they are tolerating corruption in other aspects too.

It's only an isolated case because only a few have participated and it's hard to detect corruption in sports. But, in reality, even one person would rig a game, he can make millions of money depending on how valuable he is on a team, a star player gets more minutes so he can help in rigging the game for his favor, whether he lose or win in a particular game, what matters is he serves the purpose to win the bets on the sportsbook.

If my two cents are of interest, it is not an isolated case. Corruption in sports comes in all shapes and forms. Whether it be relatives of sports players betting on certain outcomes or top level corruption like giving the World Championship to Qatar.

Everyone in his right mind knows that the WC given to Qatar was fishy. If these corrupt networks work thoroughly in conjunction with consulting of the best lawyers out there, there is almost no chance to catch them. Even if you catch them, that is also taken care of as these guys know in advance whom to get on board should things go wrong.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Davidvictorson on September 10, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

The same is the case with the country where i reside. In the just concluded Tokyo Olympics, a couple of their athletes were disqualified because the funds that were budgeted to ensure that the athletes get adequately prepared for the games were diverted to the pockets of some of the sports administrators. The sad part is that this is a recurrent issue and no one has been punished for it therefore the cycle is bound to continue with the next administration. Corruption in the sports sector in any country is worse than the COVID-19 pandemic because it kills dreams and shatters hopes of the athletes.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: poldanmig on September 10, 2021, 10:47:06 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kelvinid on September 10, 2021, 10:51:09 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.



Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: sunsilk on September 10, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.
I think before hitting an achievement, it's hitting the whole process of the sports being involved with corrupt people inside it. They're unlikely to receive any achievement since they're all for the corruption which they're only aiming for the fund.

Instead of those funds going through trainings and improvement not just by the players but as well as the management, that gives discomfort and not into the full capacity which should be expected because of the fund but as it goes corrupt, it doesn't go with the best and expected result.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: yazher on September 10, 2021, 11:19:30 AM

Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.

Yeah, it's like a river on the top of the mountain where it flows around it before reaching the bottom. When the water is clean from the top, it goes all the way until it reaches its destination. But if someone is corrupt and will try to pollute the flowing water, it will become polluted but will soon be clean again because, from the top, everything is all right. When the top is corrupt then expect nothing good when it reaches the bottom. luckily we have a government that doesn't tolerate such bad acts and punishes everyone involved as soon as they are found guilty.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: rodskee on September 10, 2021, 11:47:34 AM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.


Actually yea, the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iv4n on September 10, 2021, 12:13:42 PM

Corruption is actually everywhere, but it started with the government, if the government is corrupt, then most probably the government are not good in implementing the law and that sectors and community will be corrupt as well, it will run in the system and everyone will be corrupt, and those people who are at the bottom will suffer from the greediness of the corrupt people.

Yeah, it's like a river on the top of the mountain where it flows around it before reaching the bottom. When the water is clean from the top, it goes all the way until it reaches its destination. But if someone is corrupt and will try to pollute the flowing water, it will become polluted but will soon be clean again because, from the top, everything is all right. When the top is corrupt then expect nothing good when it reaches the bottom. luckily we have a government that doesn't tolerate such bad acts and punishes everyone involved as soon as they are found guilty.

About which government do you talk about here? Nice analogy, but sadly too many governments in too many countries tolerate, and not only that, they are earning big money from corruption in the sports sector! Here we talk about billions of dollars every year that goes in their pockets from selling players, manipulating with results, etc...
There are countries where the law is respected, but on another side, we have a lot more countries where the law is just a written thing on paper! The highest government officials are becoming rich (some of them insanely rich) while they sit on the top and shit in the water that is going down... on us!


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 12:37:29 PM
^

Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Botnake on September 10, 2021, 01:04:36 PM
^

Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Rruchi man on September 10, 2021, 01:34:45 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
 It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: zanezane on September 10, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
 It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: RealMalatesta on September 10, 2021, 05:08:29 PM

Corruption in the sports sector is linked to the political system where the entire government, from election to governance, is corrupt. This has affected the sports activities in most countries and even the premier league.

FIFA and other sport governing bodies are not left out in the corruption.
I think now that corruption has entered all sectors of government including sports, and of course this is what actually destroys the a country sporting achievements, and I think the impact of corruption has finally made the athletes who have been victims all this time.
I agree that corruption exists in almost anything and the corruption at the governmental level is the worst. But I am not sure how a corrupt government will influence a sportsperson because usually, the government corrupts things that aren't related to sports. Usually, the corruption that happens at the government level is - nepotism, extortion, and bringing.

Maybe the selection process can be corrupted for a sportsperson and it's hard for real talents to shine. But once you are selected and playing for the country there is nothing that can force you to rig or tank matches other than greed.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: AmoreJaz on September 10, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
 It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.

you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on September 10, 2021, 05:44:30 PM
Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

I understand this better than you think) Corruption in sports is not much different from any other. If a sports team, coach or boxer agreed to a fake match for the sake of money, then after that he can be managed as he will do anything not to spoil his reputation. If an athlete is caught in this vicious circle, it is not easy to leave him, because he becomes a puppet. Corruption in sports is punished no less severely than in any other sphere.  


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: SirLancelot on September 10, 2021, 08:40:23 PM
the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .
You are mistaken here. It's some of the gamblers (big ones) who fix games and the gambling house itself. the house earns money based on the different bets placed on their platform and doesn't need to fix athletes to lose a game.

Basically, if the house has 1 million $ wagered on Djokovic and $1m wagered on Federer, they don't need to do anything but wait for the result because both sides will get around 1.85 odds or such and the house wins free 7-8 cents on each bet.

Nowadays people are even fixing the officials because bringing the players is risky and costly while the officials control the entire match and are mostly underpaid.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kasabus on September 10, 2021, 08:59:46 PM
the athlete and the gamblers are always been the victim and the gambling owner and the government in which the corrupt one is always the winner,
they bag all the money and athlete and gamblers suffer.
also the corrupt officials of each sports that what makes this issue happening , hope that this will end so the gambling and the sports will back to their feet and support because nowadays people are losing interest .
You are mistaken here. It's some of the gamblers (big ones) who fix games and the gambling house itself. the house earns money based on the different bets placed on their platform and doesn't need to fix athletes to lose a game.

Basically, if the house has 1 million $ wagered on Djokovic and $1m wagered on Federer, they don't need to do anything but wait for the result because both sides will get around 1.85 odds or such and the house wins free 7-8 cents on each bet.

Nowadays people are even fixing the officials because bringing the players is risky and costly while the officials control the entire match and are mostly underpaid.

The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: DoublerHunter on September 10, 2021, 09:16:16 PM
The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.
^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Botnake on September 10, 2021, 09:22:52 PM
Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

I understand this better than you think) Corruption in sports is not much different from any other. If a sports team, coach or boxer agreed to a fake match for the sake of money, then after that he can be managed as he will do anything not to spoil his reputation. If an athlete is caught in this vicious circle, it is not easy to leave him, because he becomes a puppet. Corruption in sports is punished no less severely than in any other sphere.  

I'm just looking at the gambler's point of view as that's the main reason why there's corruption in sports. That's why it's illegal for a player to bet on his game because it could affect his performance and he could intentionally make things that aren't supposed to happen, but since we have a lot of sports bettors who cater bets, even millions of bets, the greediness of the people will always show as that's easy money for them achieved in an illegal way.

This kind of sports rigging is really hard to determine, lots of conspiracy theories that are out, even the most popular leagues but if we look at the numbers of people who got convicted and punished, there are only few.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Yamifoud on September 10, 2021, 11:04:57 PM
The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.
^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.
This is how the money made people change and such greediness will likely have a negative impact. I don't think that sportsbook had to take responsibility and put it in question as they are only accepting bets. The corruption probably happens among those who are involved in that game. Those who are capable to pay and control the game will certainly have the guts to manipulate others.
"I got my share, I don't care if I lose" This is really how it looks like.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 10, 2021, 11:17:35 PM
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.
It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lordhermes on September 10, 2021, 11:36:09 PM
The house or the sportsbook only accept bets, they might get some information on fixed games but they cannot control the game. The ones that could potentially fix a game are those who are playing the game, the players, even the coach, and the referees, as their decision making could be vital to the outcome of the game.
^ I am quite curious how they have information on the game, it is probably an insider who wants to make a profit. But that is right, there is no such way that they will get an accurate result, they make it all by there selves. Fixed games are often happening in sports because as for me, they are also fighting their dignity not only for money. If you have a very strong team, it is possible to get lost. However, anywhere as of now, there is always a corrupt.
Corruption is every where not only in sport,one or two persons always have their greedy and personal interest to affect the result of a game for his own selfish benefit,neglecting the feelings of the masses, bringing down and tarnishing their reputation for money.

When games are influenced,It usually comes from inhouse,someone who is in control of the game.If it in football,it can come from the Referee,the players,the coach,etc.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Johnyz on September 10, 2021, 11:50:19 PM
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.
It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.
In short, the house can control everything as long as there’s a money. In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: goinmerry on September 11, 2021, 09:18:08 AM
In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.

Not a player themselves but mostly the officiating is the problem in sports.

It's hard for players to participate in such activities because their career is at stake and in danger. In a fixed game match, most cases are done with the cooperation of officials. They can control easily the game compare to players.

Hard to do a fixed game if there's no involvement of officiating officials and only players will do the job.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: btc78 on September 11, 2021, 09:56:53 AM
In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.

Not a player themselves but mostly the officiating is the problem in sports.

It's hard for players to participate in such activities because their career is at stake and in danger. In a fixed game match, most cases are done with the cooperation of officials. They can control easily the game compare to players.

Hard to do a fixed game if there's no involvement of officiating officials and only players will do the job.
wrong mate , I personally knew a player close to me that admit about being corrupt, they tend(him and his team mate)  are accepting money just to drop the game .. and now he quits the sport he loved because of death threat  the fruit of His own greediness .
but i hate to know that because i once live that said sport but after knowing that statements? then i stop supporting the game.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 11, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.
It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.
In short, the house can control everything as long as there’s a money. In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.
They can.

It's for sure that they're in full control of everything that lies with the whole management whether it be the sports commission/agency or the athlete/talent pool management.

As for the dirty games involving in sports, it's also happening but we'll never know when and what game.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ziskinberg on September 11, 2021, 10:37:53 AM
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.
It also includes embezzlement of money within a certain organization and with such, a sports organization.

That issuance of amount, they should have brought that issue as soon as they've accepted it or they should've contested that why is it that the prize was very low.
In short, the house can control everything as long as there’s a money. In sports, I believe many players are into dirty game by making a fixed matches, corruption can’t be stop and this would be always in favor to the house and private investors, sports are already corrupted.
They can.

It's for sure that they're in full control of everything that lies with the whole management whether it be the sports commission/agency or the athlete/talent pool management.

As for the dirty games involving in sports, it's also happening but we'll never know when and what game.

Although we may think that it's already rampant, but without evidence or people getting jailed, we can't prove that and the majority will still trust them. The problem is, if one will get caught rigging, the league or a certain sport might just hide the incident as it would potentially result in damage to the entire reputation of the league.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iTradeChips on September 11, 2021, 12:10:28 PM
Well, in my opinion, it is not just connivance on the part of many players, officials, and authorities. There is a syndicate of people who organize and executes plans for accumulating money either from taxes committed to sports or money through private means like game rigging and others. I think it has been minimized due to the pandemic. But we will never know the extent of the worldwide scope of corruption in sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: madnessteat on September 11, 2021, 12:36:44 PM
Corruption is a kind of a hard control mechanism of subordinate people as at any moment an unfit person who has stopped following unspoken instructions can be sentenced to several years in prison and in some countries more severe punishments can be imposed. That is why corruption exists in all countries and absolutely in all spheres of our life. It is just that some countries are more thorough in hiding corruption cases.

We are talking about corruption in sports, and normally our understanding is that what is happening is "sports fixing", some people may not be too concern about it, but for gamblers or sports bettors, this is a big thing as they can use this as their basis on making a decision, and I believe that some sports bettors believe that no sports are clean or safe from sports fixing.

I understand this better than you think) Corruption in sports is not much different from any other. If a sports team, coach or boxer agreed to a fake match for the sake of money, then after that he can be managed as he will do anything not to spoil his reputation. If an athlete is caught in this vicious circle, it is not easy to leave him, because he becomes a puppet. Corruption in sports is punished no less severely than in any other sphere.   

I'm just looking at the gambler's point of view as that's the main reason why there's corruption in sports. That's why it's illegal for a player to bet on his game because it could affect his performance and he could intentionally make things that aren't supposed to happen, but since we have a lot of sports bettors who cater bets, even millions of bets, the greediness of the people will always show as that's easy money for them achieved in an illegal way.

This kind of sports rigging is really hard to determine, lots of conspiracy theories that are out, even the most popular leagues but if we look at the numbers of people who got convicted and punished, there are only few.

Are you that naive? If a player is forbidden to bet on his own game, it can be done for him by anyone - brother, distant relative, friend, etc. This kind of restrictions simply do not work.

Track fake matches is possible because the participants make a lot of money on this. You just need to do a lot of work to collect evidence, and this is of little interest to anyone when there are easier ways to catch the corrupt officials.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fortify on September 11, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

While it is an admirable cause, you've got to wonder if the government has it's priorities straight if targeting sports cheating is one of their top aims. Surely that can be left to sporting organizations who should want to weed out cheaters who are tarnishing every sports person. I fear from your description that cheating and bribery is endemic to your whole way of life. So maybe it is more a case about toughening up laws, making sure the judiciary is less corruptable and protecting whistleblowers because it is impossible to target just one aspect while ignoring the rest of the system. Unfortunately corrupt individuals are only looking out for themselves, but it's worth noting that sometimes violence or threats can be a consequence of not accepting a bribe too - they need a decent wage incentive and protection to reject them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Natsuu on September 11, 2021, 02:24:03 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 11, 2021, 02:44:42 PM
Are you that naive? If a player is forbidden to bet on his own game, it can be done for him by anyone - brother, distant relative, friend, etc. This kind of restrictions simply do not work.

Track fake matches is possible because the participants make a lot of money on this. You just need to do a lot of work to collect evidence, and this is of little interest to anyone when there are easier ways to catch the corrupt officials.

As far as I know, the only working way (at least from the bookmaker's side) is to look at the volume of bets. If the volume is sharply higher than the average for a regular match (we exclude top events), then such a match is often considered suspicious and bets are returned to all those who have already made them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: chaser15 on September 11, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
wrong mate , I personally knew a player close to me that admit about being corrupt, they tend(him and his team mate)  are accepting money just to drop the game .. and now he quits the sport he loved because of death threat  the fruit of His own greediness .
but i hate to know that because i once live that said sport but after knowing that statements? then i stop supporting the game.

Maybe in your story that was just a low-class league. A professional player playing in a big league will think twice if they need to drop a game so I agree with the user you quoted that most cases of rigged games are because of officials and not mostly with the players. How come that player can still drop a game if he's the one only involved. The coach can bench that player.

What is the sport involved by the way?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Beparanf on September 11, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.

Right now, Sports is just running because its already a business. That's why most the team is a franchise to gain income for expenses on team roster as well the management side. Sports is pretty just for money and most players are playing because of money and not just for fun and entertainment. So all this money talks, Corruption and bribe just to fixed match is common scenario to gain more profit out of it for the higher ups in gambling. This is the sad truth.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Victorycoin on September 11, 2021, 03:03:53 PM
Commercialization and corruption have also started burning in the stadium instead of developing sports, it has become a matter of financial transactions and trade no one thinks through entertainment that everyone is starting a new business. Making money is their main goal so corruption is engulfing everything people are willing to do bad things for money each team and their members are playing for money.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 11, 2021, 06:06:04 PM
Commercialization and corruption have also started burning in the stadium instead of developing sports, it has become a matter of financial transactions and trade no one thinks through entertainment that everyone is starting a new business. Making money is their main goal so corruption is engulfing everything people are willing to do bad things for money each team and their members are playing for money.

You probably have a misconception about business and corruption - commercialization and corruption are mutually contradictory things. A businessman will not steal from himself, corruption occurs only where officials dispose of other people's assets - as, for example, in football, where UEFA and FIFA officials are symbols of corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: wxa7115 on September 11, 2021, 06:52:09 PM
Corruption is a broad term, it has eaten deep into many spheres and aspects including sports unfortunately. It has many applications. I remember a story of how a friend who is a good athlete told about he and three others participated in a federal government 4x100 athletic competition, they came first at the end and were issued an equivalent of $2 to share as their price money.
 It sounded very ridiculous for the government to issue such an amount, i am very certain that the officials involved has pinched out percentages from the money, and unfortunately, that was what was left. This is also corruption.
It's not broad term, any kind of abuse in power is already a corruption, it's not a broad term but it's more like it can define a lot of activities rather than the other way around. You're friends, I feel bad for what they've experienced but they could've been able to appeal it if there's a rule book that states their prizes when they win.
Agreed, anyone that is at the top of a hierarchy and then decides to take decisions that he knows are going to benefit himself is committing an act of corruption, but there are some countries where this is so common that it also gets to the sport world.

For example it is very common in many countries that soccer players actually need to pay money to move up the ladder and become professional, this does not make sense, as a young and good player should be given priority as not only will benefit the team and they could sell his rights for a high price, but those dealing with those players do not care about it and are only looking for their own personal benefit.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 11, 2021, 08:48:53 PM
They can.

It's for sure that they're in full control of everything that lies with the whole management whether it be the sports commission/agency or the athlete/talent pool management.

As for the dirty games involving in sports, it's also happening but we'll never know when and what game.

Although we may think that it's already rampant, but without evidence or people getting jailed, we can't prove that and the majority will still trust them. The problem is, if one will get caught rigging, the league or a certain sport might just hide the incident as it would potentially result in damage to the entire reputation of the league.
Yeah.

The sad part is if you accuse them and you have no proof and you've named names, you're likely the one that will be accused of false accusation.

But we all knew that there's really something behind that happens such as corruption but yeah, hard to prove that if you have no black and white proof.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lanatsa on September 11, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
They can.

It's for sure that they're in full control of everything that lies with the whole management whether it be the sports commission/agency or the athlete/talent pool management.

As for the dirty games involving in sports, it's also happening but we'll never know when and what game.

Although we may think that it's already rampant, but without evidence or people getting jailed, we can't prove that and the majority will still trust them. The problem is, if one will get caught rigging, the league or a certain sport might just hide the incident as it would potentially result in damage to the entire reputation of the league.
Yeah.

The sad part is if you accuse them and you have no proof and you've named names, you're likely the one that will be accused of false accusation.

But we all knew that there's really something behind that happens such as corruption but yeah, hard to prove that if you have no black and white proof.
This is why as a normal citizen you would really be ending up on just dealing with the reality even if you do know that theres something behind then but still you cant do anything about it because providing

proofs wouldn't really be that easy nor not even possible and it is somewhat risky if ever there would be some reverse or counter which would really be putting you into big trouble.

Corruption is a global problem which cant really be resolved, it doesn't matter on what industry it do belongs but it would always be present.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Rengga Jati on September 11, 2021, 09:13:12 PM
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Corruption is a global problem which cant really be resolved, it doesn't matter on what industry it do belongs but it would always be present.
Because it is about money and power. Money is something very sweet, tempting, and can even make us forget good and bad things.
In terms of corruption, it is true, this is really like it can't be destroyed, in any field. Even there is happening on the athletes, institutions, clubs, and so on. More if this has been like being a habit.
We cannot stop it 100%.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: iTradeChips on September 11, 2021, 09:46:52 PM
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Corruption is a global problem which cant really be resolved, it doesn't matter on what industry it do belongs but it would always be present.
Because it is about money and power. Money is something very sweet, tempting, and can even make us forget good and bad things.
In terms of corruption, it is true, this is really like it can't be destroyed, in any field. Even there is happening on the athletes, institutions, clubs, and so on. More if this has been like being a habit.
We cannot stop it 100%.

Come think about it, who does not want money? Who does not want power? Well I think this corruption issues with sports has been with us for such a long time now. Like I mentioned before there must be syndicates who control these things and there is nothing to stop them from doing their evil deeds. Maybe the only way to stop them is to revamp the sports system altogether, revamp and put new people in or let them know that the government or the regulatory body is watching - unless they are also part of the system.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on September 11, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
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Corruption is a global problem which cant really be resolved, it doesn't matter on what industry it do belongs but it would always be present.
Because it is about money and power. Money is something very sweet, tempting, and can even make us forget good and bad things.
In terms of corruption, it is true, this is really like it can't be destroyed, in any field. Even there is happening on the athletes, institutions, clubs, and so on. More if this has been like being a habit.
We cannot stop it 100%.

Money works all the time, and it's true that in every places corruptions are present not only with the government but there are many institutions where corruptions are dominating.

It's something that stuck and really hard to remove. Maybe in some little ways it can lessen this practice or maybe can completely remove if the govern bodies are all influenced by good leadership. (Maybe ;D)

But moving back to the topic. Corruption in sport is very likely influenced by huge amount of money that circulating inside the club where everyone who are involve can't resist but just follow the flow.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 11, 2021, 10:17:44 PM
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But moving back to the topic. Corruption in sport is very likely influenced by huge amount of money that circulating inside the club where everyone who are involve can't resist but just follow the flow.

And how do you imagine these cash flows? Would even the average athlete (who clearly does not need money like the average person) risk his career to make some extra money? For some reason it seems irrational to me. Even having received this dirty money, you still need to somehow legalize it ... in general, more trouble and risks than profit.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 11, 2021, 11:02:59 PM
Yeah.

The sad part is if you accuse them and you have no proof and you've named names, you're likely the one that will be accused of false accusation.

But we all knew that there's really something behind that happens such as corruption but yeah, hard to prove that if you have no black and white proof.
This is why as a normal citizen you would really be ending up on just dealing with the reality even if you do know that theres something behind then but still you cant do anything about it because providing

proofs wouldn't really be that easy nor not even possible and it is somewhat risky if ever there would be some reverse or counter which would really be putting you into big trouble.

Corruption is a global problem which cant really be resolved, it doesn't matter on what industry it do belongs but it would always be present.
We have no choice.

Yeah, sad reality but we have to bear it as that is how the system works even if you're aware that there's something shady that happens.

But you're not in the position to attest whatever is shady there unless you have proof or you're too big to face these people behind any anomaly.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: 7788bitcoin on September 11, 2021, 11:56:25 PM
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As far as I know, the only working way (at least from the bookmaker's side) is to look at the volume of bets. If the volume is sharply higher than the average for a regular match (we exclude top events), then such a match is often considered suspicious and bets are returned to all those who have already made them.
Have you came across that scenario where the bets you made were voided. I got bets getting voided but usually those are issues with the bookmaker and not because of manipulation and leaked outcomes. Even if there is corruption in sport you wont be knowing about it until years when there is an investigation that exposes them and by that time nothing changes in the bets you made.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: TimeTeller on September 11, 2021, 11:58:50 PM
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As far as I know, the only working way (at least from the bookmaker's side) is to look at the volume of bets. If the volume is sharply higher than the average for a regular match (we exclude top events), then such a match is often considered suspicious and bets are returned to all those who have already made them.
Have you came across that scenario where the bets you made were voided. I got bets getting voided but usually those are issues with the bookmaker and not because of manipulation and leaked outcomes. Even if there is corruption in sport you wont be knowing about it until years when there is an investigation that exposes them and by that time nothing changes in the bets you made.

I have had some bets voided but it is not because of the bookmaker but because of the game itself.
Anyway, corruption is everywhere and sports is not excluded in this human behavior.
This is true, situations involving corruption of officials will only come to light years later, once somebody brought it to public.
But you can't do anything much when that happens because it was already over, and you can't do anything much about it but accept.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on September 12, 2021, 01:14:38 AM
In terms of corruption, it is true, this is really like it can't be destroyed, in any field. Even there is happening on the athletes, institutions, clubs, and so on. More if this has been like being a habit. We cannot stop it 100%.

yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.



Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KingsDen on September 12, 2021, 02:55:37 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing
. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
There exist what you may call corruption in almost every profession. You cannot see an ideal profession. However, it is moderated. Some do theirs ethically and organised, then they will appear appear as saints.
Sports itself is a Business and Politics . If these two are not handled well, sports will lose it's savour. Business is to make profits why politics is to influence decisions in your favour. So, we should not expect a Saint from the union of the above two.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: tabas on September 12, 2021, 10:18:46 AM
yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.
We're all against corruption especially if it's with our favorite team and sports. But those groups are rich enough and untouchable. They really are hard to be caught.
Those corrupt people that are keep doing it under the sports management, they really don't think of anything but only wants to gain for themselves.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: rodskee on September 12, 2021, 10:41:31 AM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
sports nowadays is mostly consider already as business or profiteering and the essence of the sporting or the enjoyment of the game is not there, officials and even players are acting for the sake of one thing and that is MONEY and not to totally entertain the viewers or bring joy to the fans.
this same reason why sports nowadays are losing supporters and people are now turning into total gambling and not just because they love the sports but how much they can make money.
and in this same reason why corruption is taking part because there are big amount involves in this area, and we cannot change that now.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ziskinberg on September 12, 2021, 11:40:49 AM
yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.
We're all against corruption especially if it's with our favorite team and sports. But those groups are rich enough and untouchable. They really are hard to be caught.
Those corrupt people that are keep doing it under the sports management, they really don't think of anything but only wants to gain for themselves.
That's full greediness, corruption usually came inside, may it be coming from the management, the players, or the refs of the game. I followed basketball most of the time, and there's a theory that says NBA is corrupt, and I somehow believe in that but there's no proof that it's really corrupt by rigging games.

Actually, sports are so corrupt more than we ever see, that's the reality.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kelvinid on September 12, 2021, 12:55:53 PM
yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.
We're all against corruption especially if it's with our favorite team and sports. But those groups are rich enough and untouchable. They really are hard to be caught.
Those corrupt people that are keep doing it under the sports management, they really don't think of anything but only wants to gain for themselves.
That's full greediness, corruption usually came inside, may it be coming from the management, the players, or the refs of the game. I followed basketball most of the time, and there's a theory that says NBA is corrupt, and I somehow believe in that but there's no proof that it's really corrupt by rigging games.

Actually, sports are so corrupt more than we ever see, that's the reality.

The reality that we cannot prove due to conspiracy inside, and sports is own by private businesses, so they'll always protect their interest which is to make money, and they can only do that if they will make their sport popular and continue to maintain the good reputation.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: crzy on September 12, 2021, 01:18:25 PM
yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.
We're all against corruption especially if it's with our favorite team and sports. But those groups are rich enough and untouchable. They really are hard to be caught.
Those corrupt people that are keep doing it under the sports management, they really don't think of anything but only wants to gain for themselves.
That's full greediness, corruption usually came inside, may it be coming from the management, the players, or the refs of the game. I followed basketball most of the time, and there's a theory that says NBA is corrupt, and I somehow believe in that but there's no proof that it's really corrupt by rigging games.

Actually, sports are so corrupt more than we ever see, that's the reality.

The reality that we cannot prove due to conspiracy inside, and sports is own by private businesses, so they'll always protect their interest which is to make money, and they can only do that if they will make their sport popular and continue to maintain the good reputation.
Corruptions are every where and yes those business owners will not take such risk if they are just gonna lose money because even if they didn't win the title, they still make money. I'm pretty sure many officers are into corruption as well especially if a team is suffering financially, now that we are still in pandemic, many teams are suffering yet they can still survive simply because the owners are making a good deal with other people, we may not have the proof but corruption is indeed happening.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 12, 2021, 01:28:01 PM
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As far as I know, the only working way (at least from the bookmaker's side) is to look at the volume of bets. If the volume is sharply higher than the average for a regular match (we exclude top events), then such a match is often considered suspicious and bets are returned to all those who have already made them.
Have you came across that scenario where the bets you made were voided. I got bets getting voided but usually those are issues with the bookmaker and not because of manipulation and leaked outcomes. Even if there is corruption in sport you wont be knowing about it until years when there is an investigation that exposes them and by that time nothing changes in the bets you made.

No, but I hear about such cases every year. Obviously, the cancellation of bets for such reasons applies to low-level games and events - for example, in the Champions League it is almost impossible because there are no match-fixing there due to the fact that at a high level there is no economic sense in cheating.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on September 12, 2021, 02:21:02 PM
yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich.
We're all against corruption especially if it's with our favorite team and sports. But those groups are rich enough and untouchable. They really are hard to be caught.
Those corrupt people that are keep doing it under the sports management, they really don't think of anything but only wants to gain for themselves.
That's full greediness, corruption usually came inside, may it be coming from the management, the players, or the refs of the game. I followed basketball most of the time, and there's a theory that says NBA is corrupt, and I somehow believe in that but there's no proof that it's really corrupt by rigging games.

Actually, sports are so corrupt more than we ever see, that's the reality.
We might have seen many people involved in the sports organization do corruption without others or the public knowing. But fortunately, the media can blow up that case because someone reports the case so the corrupt people can get arrest and get punishment. But still, it is hard to eliminate the corruption that happens in the country as that happened a long time ago. But I believe that it is just a matter of time before all of them get caught and no one is trying to do corruption. Even if some people are trying to corrupt, they will get caught too sooner or later.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: fiulpro on September 12, 2021, 04:07:51 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

For some of the people it's the only way to earn something credible which they do not have to pay a shit loads of money from and for them it comes guilt free since they are not getting caught, they are using their freedom in this sector to make easy money since sometimes the money which is generally given go them by the government is not enough..

It might be :
Greed
Necessity
Forced !!! ( At some places, people are a actually forced to accept such kinds of bets since at the end of the day, one unwilling person might take them all to the court and generally everyone gets involved as well )

We do not know the reason but it's something that will continue for the future as well until and unless we have better laws in place.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Cling18 on September 12, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
In terms of corruption, it is true, this is really like it can't be destroyed, in any field. Even there is happening on the athletes, institutions, clubs, and so on. More if this has been like being a habit. We cannot stop it 100%.

yes, surely everyone seems to be against corruption because it steals and violates the rights of others, especially for the sports industry which has a large scope. and even defrauding athletes, sponsors, governments for personal gain I think that's a very evil thing. what else is done by people or groups who are already very rich?



Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: livingfree on September 12, 2021, 05:26:28 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.
It's always been corruption that they do when there's big money involved. There really is unfairness in many things and these corrupt people don't think of being fair with others.

That's why in many things including in sports, they tend to corrupt anything that they can because it is easy for them to do.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: tyz on September 12, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.

But corruption is also only possible when there are hardly any rules and monitoring measures. Normally, corruption should hardly exist in developed countries nowadays. But in fact, there are always surprising revelations that show it is still widespread. FIFA can be cited as a good example. Without corruption, the awarding of the World Cup to Qatar would not have happened.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Desmong on September 12, 2021, 06:26:29 PM
Commercialization and corruption have also started burning in the stadium instead of developing sports, it has become a matter of financial transactions and trade no one thinks through entertainment that everyone is starting a new business. Making money is their main goal so corruption is engulfing everything people are willing to do bad things for money each team and their members are playing for money.
The problem of corruption in sport did not just started today. It has started since previous centuries and nobody was ready to fight against it. The rate at which sport corruption is happening in this recent time is alarming  even in the bigger sports where big transactions are made. Corruption are not really noticed because many persons decide to pay more attention on government issues maybe they think it's the main source of corruption but sports do have there own share of the cake.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Smartprofit on September 12, 2021, 07:09:23 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Yes, match-fixing is very common these days.  Corruption is very difficult to defeat. 

What is the reason for the ineradicability of corruption (including in sports)? 

Now the most widespread social system on planet Earth is capitalism.  Capitalism prioritizes profit. 

However, if the most important thing in the world is profit, then this means that honor, dignity, professionalism are not very important.  It is important to get money (profit).  In my opinion, this is a distortion of moral and ethical values. 

This distortion leads to the fact that match-fixing is perceived as a type of business.  And that's bad.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fredomago on September 12, 2021, 08:00:19 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.
It's always been corruption that they do when there's big money involved. There really is unfairness in many things and these corrupt people don't think of being fair with others.

That's why in many things including in sports, they tend to corrupt anything that they can because it is easy for them to do.

Corruptions dictate many things as there is a huge amount of money that involves,

It's hard to terminate this business since there are still many  people who are willingly embracing this system, not just for sports but in vast majorities, corruption is present.

I would like to believe from the post above you that there are still honest people who want fairness in their business, while others
continue to entertain corruption. let's wish for more people to realize and stop this dishonesty.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Tumanggor on September 12, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
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after living day to day athletes forget the reason why they love the sport they are in and it happens to athletes all over the world
the government will not be able to stop corruption in sports because the funds circulating there are very large

in my own country corruption in sports, especially football is very big, even they openly show their corrupt behavior
most of their political promises are bullshit


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: livingfree on September 12, 2021, 09:23:20 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.
It's always been corruption that they do when there's big money involved. There really is unfairness in many things and these corrupt people don't think of being fair with others.

That's why in many things including in sports, they tend to corrupt anything that they can because it is easy for them to do.

Corruptions dictate many things as there is a huge amount of money that involves,

It's hard to terminate this business since there are still many  people who are willingly embracing this system, not just for sports but in vast majorities, corruption is present.

I would like to believe from the post above you that there are still honest people who want fairness in their business, while others
continue to entertain corruption. let's wish for more people to realize and stop this dishonesty.
Corruption isn't a business.

Well, it might be already the business treatment for those corrupt people that are inside the sports org or any agency where they belong.

There are those people that makes it as a business already and they've became used to it with how much money they can make from it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on September 12, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.
It's always been corruption that they do when there's big money involved. There really is unfairness in many things and these corrupt people don't think of being fair with others.

That's why in many things including in sports, they tend to corrupt anything that they can because it is easy for them to do.

Corruptions dictate many things as there is a huge amount of money that involves,

It's hard to terminate this business since there are still many  people who are willingly embracing this system, not just for sports but in vast majorities, corruption is present.

I would like to believe from the post above you that there are still honest people who want fairness in their business, while others
continue to entertain corruption. let's wish for more people to realize and stop this dishonesty.
Corruption isn't a business.

Well, it might be already the business treatment for those corrupt people that are inside the sports org or any agency where they belong.

There are those people that makes it as a business already and they've became used to it with how much money they can make from it.

The main reason why corruption happens in sports is the big money stake in it, make sports betting illegal and there will be no more corruption. The sports betting industry as reported is a billion-dollar industry, with that huge money, I think greedy people will be interested in taking their share, and that is using their influence for their personal benefit.

Though this doesn't look like a big crime as no life was taken, it should be treated the same since it's stealing the real entertainment of what the fans deserved and the fans made this league run profitably because of their support.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ReiMomo on September 12, 2021, 09:51:52 PM
The main reason why corruption happens in sports is the big money stake in it, make sports betting illegal and there will be no more corruption. The sports betting industry as reported is a billion-dollar industry, with that huge money, I think greedy people will be interested in taking their share, and that is using their influence for their personal benefit.
I think anything that involves money is prone to corruption, there is big money in the gambling industry that can make them become rich when they know how to play with it. Everywhere there are too many greedy people that they think that sometimes manipulating by their own power will give them huge benefits and that is why we can't deny that there is corruption even in gambling because this is a common practice from our political people.

Political power plus huge money can manipulate and create corruption not even in gambling.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on September 12, 2021, 10:01:38 PM
Corruption is the easiest way that they know to get richer which is too unfair especially to hardworking athletes and people who involve in sports. However, there are still trustworthy people who work fairly. We can't stop corruption but let's hope that more honest people in the world of sports would exist.
It's always been corruption that they do when there's big money involved. There really is unfairness in many things and these corrupt people don't think of being fair with others.

That's why in many things including in sports, they tend to corrupt anything that they can because it is easy for them to do.

Corruptions dictate many things as there is a huge amount of money that involves,

It's hard to terminate this business since there are still many  people who are willingly embracing this system, not just for sports but in vast majorities, corruption is present.

I would like to believe from the post above you that there are still honest people who want fairness in their business, while others
continue to entertain corruption. let's wish for more people to realize and stop this dishonesty.
Corruption isn't a business.

Well, it might be already the business treatment for those corrupt people that are inside the sports org or any agency where they belong.

There are those people that makes it as a business already and they've became used to it with how much money they can make from it.

And getting out of the situation will downgrade their lifestyle, so, they choose to keep what they are doing despite of being unacceptable in the society. They can't let go because they may not sustain their lifestyle by doing so. So in short, it is greed in play here. And I believe, we can't really avoid this in any government agency, so sports organization or government agency is not excluded from this practice.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: paxmao on September 12, 2021, 10:19:20 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Viscore on September 12, 2021, 10:28:44 PM
The main reason why corruption happens in sports is the big money stake in it, make sports betting illegal and there will be no more corruption. The sports betting industry as reported is a billion-dollar industry, with that huge money, I think greedy people will be interested in taking their share, and that is using their influence for their personal benefit.
I think anything that involves money is prone to corruption, there is big money in the gambling industry that can make them become rich when they know how to play with it. Everywhere there are too many greedy people that they think that sometimes manipulating by their own power will give them huge benefits and that is why we can't deny that there is corruption even in gambling because this is a common practice from our political people.

Political power plus huge money can manipulate and create corruption not even in gambling.

That would be easier for them to manipulate the sport if they have politicians behind them, it would add more confidence on the crooks as they know if they get caught, some powerful politician will protect them if we live in that kind of world, it's not only sports that are messed up, even the future of our children and the country as we whole.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: finaleshot2016 on September 13, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
The main reason why corruption happens in sports is the big money stake in it, make sports betting illegal and there will be no more corruption. The sports betting industry as reported is a billion-dollar industry, with that huge money, I think greedy people will be interested in taking their share, and that is using their influence for their personal benefit.
I think anything that involves money is prone to corruption, there is big money in the gambling industry that can make them become rich when they know how to play with it. Everywhere there are too many greedy people that they think that sometimes manipulating by their own power will give them huge benefits and that is why we can't deny that there is corruption even in gambling because this is a common practice from our political people.

Political power plus huge money can manipulate and create corruption not even in gambling.

That would be easier for them to manipulate the sport if they have politicians behind them, it would add more confidence on the crooks as they know if they get caught, some powerful politician will protect them if we live in that kind of world, it's not only sports that are messed up, even the future of our children and the country as we whole.
Politicians who seek money are ruining our country; the fact that they ran for office in the first place because they only wanted the benefits and salary of the position is already a problem. They will continue to enter areas where money is involved especially gambling and take advantage of it. I despise such movements; our taxes are being squandered as a result, rather than being used to advance our country. That's why I don't usually support politicians who have a history of gambling; most of them are probably addicted to it, and there's a chance they'll use the money of the people to their advantage.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: stadus on September 13, 2021, 01:32:07 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.

Corrupt politicians usually do that and they will create a lot of problems if there are more corrupt politicians running the country than the good ones, especially if most of them are holding a higher position in the government.

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: zanezane on September 13, 2021, 02:46:23 PM
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you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.
Don't say that BS that it's inevitable or unavoidable, if the parents teach their kids the right thing then we will see something different slowly come up when the new generation rolls out, it's the way we raise the children that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Pamadar on September 13, 2021, 10:07:09 PM

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.


True! More on internal people who completely understand how the rules were being implemented.

It's no brainier that this kind of people are aware of how to influence other people who are also involved in certain sports,
they are dealing behind and with the help of huge amount of offers it can easily be done.

We do hear lots of rumors about game fixing but up to date there are less that being executed, only means that corruptions inside the sport business are highly controlled and hard to stop..


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Rengga Jati on September 13, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
Come think about it, who does not want money? Who does not want power? Well I think this corruption issues with sports has been with us for such a long time now. -snip-
Money works all the time, and it's true that in every places corruptions are present not only with the government but there are many institutions where corruptions are dominating.
They actually have had much money, but once they can get higher money again, they will do. How much they have, if they have been involved in any corruption cycle, they will not be able to be out from that cycle. They want higher and higher money again.
Yeah, to be true, they may think money is everything.

And how do you imagine these cash flows? Would even the average athlete (who clearly does not need money like the average person) risk his career to make some extra money? For some reason it seems irrational to me. Even having received this dirty money, you still need to somehow legalize it ... in general, more trouble and risks than profit.
A club or institutions consist of many people, various people with various personality, desires, and power. Here in the world of Sport and Club, we not only talk about athletes themselves but the unity of the people in it.
When there is a gap where they can use corruption, they will not work alone. And of course, they will play neatly, especially if this has happened many times and becomes like a cycle of corruption in the club or the sports institution.
Even if someone knows this, he could not dare to report it, more - more they did not have greater power. Or precisely they will join again to enjoy the money from the corruption.
They usually won't play openly. The budget markup is one of the ways that is most often used for this corruption. And much more.
For athletes themselves, I did not accuse, but not all athletes have a good payment, and when they are tempted by the money that can be produced, then they can take it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sled on September 13, 2021, 10:30:59 PM

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.


True! More on internal people who completely understand how the rules were being implemented.

It's no brainier that this kind of people are aware of how to influence other people who are also involved in certain sports,
they are dealing behind and with the help of huge amount of offers it can easily be done.

We do hear lots of rumors about game fixing but up to date there are less that being executed, only means that corruptions inside the sport business are highly controlled and hard to stop..
That it looks bad and getting worse at all since this has become a practice by now. Have nothing to do with this but just be at least we are to know how it is be going like that. Corruption has been in the mind of those people and these people will continue to do this thing as long as they can still make a deal.
I don't think this is just only a rumor but probably this becomes an issue right now and that has been obvious.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: livingfree on September 13, 2021, 10:37:56 PM
Corruption isn't a business.

Well, it might be already the business treatment for those corrupt people that are inside the sports org or any agency where they belong.

There are those people that makes it as a business already and they've became used to it with how much money they can make from it.

And getting out of the situation will downgrade their lifestyle, so, they choose to keep what they are doing despite of being unacceptable in the society. They can't let go because they may not sustain their lifestyle by doing so. So in short, it is greed in play here. And I believe, we can't really avoid this in any government agency, so sports organization or government agency is not excluded from this practice.
True.

They've been used to that lifestyle as if it's already part of their life to corrupt things including the sports.

But if they will be caught and get arrested, for sure that they will regret that they've done it. They don't realize what they do is bad because they're experiencing it with lavish life through corruption but it will come to an end.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ipanks on September 14, 2021, 08:52:05 AM

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.
True! More on internal people who completely understand how the rules were being implemented.

It's no brainier that this kind of people are aware of how to influence other people who are also involved in certain sports,
they are dealing behind and with the help of huge amount of offers it can easily be done.

We do hear lots of rumors about game fixing but up to date there are less that being executed, only means that corruptions inside the sport business are highly controlled and hard to stop..
That it looks bad and getting worse at all since this has become a practice by now. Have nothing to do with this but just be at least we are to know how it is be going like that. Corruption has been in the mind of those people and these people will continue to do this thing as long as they can still make a deal.
I don't think this is just only a rumor but probably this becomes an issue right now and that has been obvious.
I believe the corruption can control and even stop but that needs an effort from the government to arrest their colleague who involves in that corruption. People who do commit corruption are hunger for making more money and they got offers from the people who are usually corrupt. That is just the beginning because if their deal continues, that can attract more people to join with them. It needs serious prevention from the government because the corruption was already touched the high-level instances to the low-level instances and that was happened everywhere.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: carlfebz2 on September 14, 2021, 11:34:54 AM

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.


True! More on internal people who completely understand how the rules were being implemented.

It's no brainier that this kind of people are aware of how to influence other people who are also involved in certain sports,
they are dealing behind and with the help of huge amount of offers it can easily be done.

We do hear lots of rumors about game fixing but up to date there are less that being executed, only means that corruptions inside the sport business are highly controlled and hard to stop..
That it looks bad and getting worse at all since this has become a practice by now. Have nothing to do with this but just be at least we are to know how it is be going like that. Corruption has been in the mind of those people and these people will continue to do this thing as long as they can still make a deal.
I don't think this is just only a rumor but probably this becomes an issue right now and that has been obvious.
Would stay as a rumor because proofs could be easily be deleted or erased if they wanted to and even kill out someone for giving out leaks or something like that this is why its really hard to prove out once theres some anomaly that do happen not only limiting on business but also in other common sectors as well.

Corrruption is everywhere and to those who do sit up on the high ranking or the top of the chain will always have that kind of motive since they do really have the position and also with other

people who are financially capable then they would be using up their finances to earn more money even if its means on corrupting something.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Natalim on September 14, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
~snip~
people who are financially capable then they would be using up their finances to earn more money even if its means on corrupting something.
That's how greedy people, those who are already rich will get richer and while the poor will continue to struggle and will become poorer. There's no humanity for them anymore, all they aim is to make money even if they will commit a crime, and they are not afraid of committing a crime as they know they are powerful enough that they can get away when they get caught.

Sports are created for competition, but once the betting came in, speculators already starts to doubt the reputation of the sports.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kittygalore on September 14, 2021, 12:08:36 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.
Corruption can happen anywhere, it's just that it's prevalent in politics but that doesn't mean that it can't happen in another aspect of life, and corruption is a blanket term so it's covering a lot of stuff like stealing, killing for power and power tripping and abuse. Sports isn't an exception, people in the higher ups when they get too much power for them to handle, they get too corrupted by it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Maslate on September 14, 2021, 12:15:22 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.
Corruption can happen anywhere, it's just that it's prevalent in politics but that doesn't mean that it can't happen in another aspect of life, and corruption is a blanket term so it's covering a lot of stuff like stealing, killing for power and power tripping and abuse. Sports isn't an exception, people in the higher ups when they get too much power for them to handle, they get too corrupted by it.

We can focus on the corruption in sports or what we called sports rigging.

This is not new, though not many have been convicted on this crime, based on the speculation, it's happening in the small or big leagues in any sports.
One of the most popular scandals in the past is the NBA refs rigging the game because he was betting on the game.

Tim Donaghy, is it familiar?


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: poldanmig on September 14, 2021, 01:29:18 PM
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people who are financially capable then they would be using up their finances to earn more money even if its means on corrupting something.
That's how greedy people, those who are already rich will get richer and while the poor will continue to struggle and will become poorer. There's no humanity for them anymore, all they aim is to make money even if they will commit a crime, and they are not afraid of committing a crime as they know they are powerful enough that they can get away when they get caught.

Sports are created for competition, but once the betting came in, speculators already starts to doubt the reputation of the sports.

Corruption now seems to have become a cultural culture for politicians and state officials, and in my opinion excessive consumptive lifestyle makes officials corrupt without thinking a lot of people they are harming, even in my country, corruption has occurred in various state authorities including sports nowadays, it can be said that corruption is like a disease, the stage of corruption develops steadily from acute to chronic, from benign to malignant  :'(.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: coupable on September 14, 2021, 02:41:42 PM
Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
The answer is simple; it's because the sports business generates so much revenue than expected. This expanding growth open the eyes of greedy persons who should be ready to shit in order to get a portion from that money. I think it's a little bit over to compare thi situation with the situation of poor people starving; sports become useless if we consider poorness as priority to fight against without to remember that the business of sports itself is responsible for the life of millions of people who work on it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Mahanton on September 14, 2021, 07:40:35 PM
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you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.
Don't say that BS that it's inevitable or unavoidable, if the parents teach their kids the right thing then we will see something different slowly come up when the new generation rolls out, it's the way we raise the children that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.
Its an important thing but not an assurance that when they do grow up they wouldnt really go into that path considering that there would lots of factors that could really affect along the way.
I agree somehow that this is something that cant really be avoided nor really get rid of it but there are still ways on at least easing this kind of situation.
Corruption is something that cant really be totally resolved out.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: tippytoes on September 14, 2021, 11:01:36 PM
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you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.
Don't say that BS that it's inevitable or unavoidable, if the parents teach their kids the right thing then we will see something different slowly come up when the new generation rolls out, it's the way we raise the children that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.
Its an important thing but not an assurance that when they do grow up they wouldnt really go into that path considering that there would lots of factors that could really affect along the way.
I agree somehow that this is something that cant really be avoided nor really get rid of it but there are still ways on at least easing this kind of situation.
Corruption is something that cant really be totally resolved out.

Even if the kids today are raised in appropriate manner, you are right, along the way, they may change their perspectives in life or their morales depending on what situation they are in. I've seen good people turning to corrupt individuals once they got their power or have political position. We can never be sure that kids brought with good moralities in life will stick to what they grew up with. So yes, sometimes it is unavoidable as we can't predict someone's behavior when they start experiencing power on their hands.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 14, 2021, 11:01:47 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.

Corrupt politicians usually do that and they will create a lot of problems if there are more corrupt politicians running the country than the good ones, especially if most of them are holding a higher position in the government.

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.

Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: slackovic on September 15, 2021, 08:52:04 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ipanks on September 15, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ziskinberg on September 15, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.

Actually, what I see is not the law, it's the fact that it's hard to prove a fixed game, and only a few got caught on that. If it's within inside and no one will talk or no one will show up as witness of the sports rigging, nothing will happen because all we can do is to speculate.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Xinarae* on September 15, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kittygalore on September 15, 2021, 12:57:15 PM
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We can focus on the corruption in sports or what we called sports rigging.

This is not new, though not many have been convicted on this crime, based on the speculation, it's happening in the small or big leagues in any sports.
One of the most popular scandals in the past is the NBA refs rigging the game because he was betting on the game.

Tim Donaghy, is it familiar?
Tim Donaghy rings a bell, I would lie to you if I said that I am familiar with him but yeah, I've seen a fair share of sports rigging in my country because it's a third world country so corruption is a norm. I am familiar though with referees doing bad calls and players doing bad plays.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Maslate on September 15, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
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We can focus on the corruption in sports or what we called sports rigging.

This is not new, though not many have been convicted on this crime, based on the speculation, it's happening in the small or big leagues in any sports.
One of the most popular scandals in the past is the NBA refs rigging the game because he was betting on the game.

Tim Donaghy, is it familiar?
Tim Donaghy rings a bell, I would lie to you if I said that I am familiar with him but yeah, I've seen a fair share of sports rigging in my country because it's a third world country so corruption is a norm. I am familiar though with referees doing bad calls and players doing bad plays.

It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Peanutswar on September 15, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Today we know that sports one of the most exciting parts and many people support their team/fighter but to those top names like boxing including Manny Pacquiao for sure there's a transaction with this kind of event that the people know this is just a fight only but also have a large amount of money involved not only in boxing if we are talking about money for sure corrupts would like to join this event and taking out the incentives, cut the rewards of the players and organization.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: carlisle1 on September 15, 2021, 02:35:06 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Yes! it's more on business and knowing that there are many influenced that will make more money,
then corruptions is very likely to increase.

Business always matters the most, flowing money makes interest with big names behind.
With the system that always has lapses, we can all agree that those rumors are not just a hearsay but things that really happening.
but to prove is another thing, money already washout all those possible proofs and already done paying who are involved with the possible exposures.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Kittygalore on September 15, 2021, 02:59:22 PM
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It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.
Yes it's normal for some bad calls here and there but people have eyes and some have common sense and they know when the calls are a total bullshit or if something's fishy. I think that Tim isn't the last one there is because I am pretty sure that if there's one, there's definitely more, they just can't confess.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 15, 2021, 03:27:51 PM
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself? Usually this is done by officials who harm what they manage (but they do not care because the harm that the industry receives does not concern them and they put the profits from dirty deals in their pocket). In my opinion, the higher the concentration of business in any activity, the less corruption, and the higher the concentration of officials, the higher the corruption.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: bL4nkcode on September 15, 2021, 07:07:48 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sanitough on September 15, 2021, 09:38:05 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

I hope that's what everyone thinks, but what if they are the ones who manages the corruption, like sports rigging, they rig sports for their personal interest as they can beat on a player or a team to make easy money. Actually, it's so easy to make money once you are in control, and being an owner, you have all the liberty.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Lanatsa on September 15, 2021, 10:53:33 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

I hope that's what everyone thinks, but what if they are the ones who manages the corruption, like sports rigging, they rig sports for their personal interest as they can beat on a player or a team to make easy money. Actually, it's so easy to make money once you are in control, and being an owner, you have all the liberty.
This is the reality!

Its no surprise that they could really play around because they do have the position and the power to do so.This is the sad truth and it is something that we should stress ourselves out in regarding to this.

Lots of industries isn't really exempted for such matter specially with Corruption.There would be always those people who are on the top of command which would really be utilizing
their power and position on taking up advantage and earning money on easiest way as possible.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 15, 2021, 11:30:11 PM
It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.
Yeah, sometimes refs calls are being said favorable but if there's really a foul, they should call it.

We're thinking like that because we're not with the favored team by that call. But there are also instances that there really are bad calls and seems to be suspicious.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ipanks on September 16, 2021, 08:53:55 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.

Actually, what I see is not the law, it's the fact that it's hard to prove a fixed game, and only a few got caught on that. If it's within inside and no one will talk or no one will show up as witness of the sports rigging, nothing will happen because all we can do is to speculate.
As a witness, those people will not say anything to the public or their officials because those people can get bribes. People who are related to one case can drag the other people who look clean and do not have any correlation from the case. The case will be buried if, somehow, one person is disappointed with the corruption and will blow the whistle to drag the other people to come out. But I doubt that the high-level officials will not do something to make their name dirty.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 16, 2021, 09:27:19 AM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

The national level is just a hotbed of corruption because officials rule there, there is not a single businessman in the classical sense. And many officials follow the course of their country's authorities, and if these authorities are obsessed with ideas about greatness and "victories", then they will try to win at any cost, even through doping, undercover games and any kind of dirt. I think everyone knows about Russia and about the doping system that was revealed there.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Russlenat on September 16, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
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It seems to me that many people just don't understand how deeply corruption is embedded in sports at all levels. It is so difficult to investigate and provide evidence of corruption in sports that I get the impression that corruption will never be eradicated from sports. 

Exactly, that's why corruption will continue to exist, some games look questionable but we can never question them because there's no evidence that would prove they are doing something wrong, all we have is inside our mind and we speculate of what could probably be happening.

As a bettor, I also consider that sports are rig and I don't fall in love with sports easily, so I can be wise when it comes to betting, that's using my mind not my emotion.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: virasog on September 16, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Yes! it's more on business and knowing that there are many influenced that will make more money,
then corruptions is very likely to increase.

Business always matters the most, flowing money makes interest with big names behind.
With the system that always has lapses, we can all agree that those rumors are not just a hearsay but things that really happening.
but to prove is another thing, money already washout all those possible proofs and already done paying who are involved with the possible exposures.

Where there is money involved, there is  always bad people who want easy money and they will do corruption. You will find a lot of corruption in sports also but most of the time it does not come on the media. Sometimes the players are also corrupt and they fix the matches even though they already earn a lot of legal money. Greed of money is never ending.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Sanitough on September 16, 2021, 02:05:35 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Yes! it's more on business and knowing that there are many influenced that will make more money,
then corruptions is very likely to increase.

Business always matters the most, flowing money makes interest with big names behind.
With the system that always has lapses, we can all agree that those rumors are not just a hearsay but things that really happening.
but to prove is another thing, money already washout all those possible proofs and already done paying who are involved with the possible exposures.

Where there is money involved, there is  always bad people who want easy money and they will do corruption. You will find a lot of corruption in sports also but most of the time it does not come on the media. Sometimes the players are also corrupt and they fix the matches even though they already earn a lot of legal money. Greed of money is never ending.

How would we know if there's corruption happening if it's not proven? That's the kind of question we always have in our mind, but we still presume that corruption is really happening since we can see it and sometimes it's too obvious. The organizers will keep doing it as it's been generating a lot of money for them, but they are slowly destroying the reputation of the sports by not making it clean so the fans will have a fair experience in terms of enjoyment.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: KTChampions on September 17, 2021, 10:00:07 AM
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It seems to me that many people just don't understand how deeply corruption is embedded in sports at all levels. It is so difficult to investigate and provide evidence of corruption in sports that I get the impression that corruption will never be eradicated from sports. 

One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Botnake on September 17, 2021, 11:00:32 AM
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It seems to me that many people just don't understand how deeply corruption is embedded in sports at all levels. It is so difficult to investigate and provide evidence of corruption in sports that I get the impression that corruption will never be eradicated from sports. 

One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).
That's what it is, you are in the same sport, and one person found guilty of rigging games, the whole reputation of the sports will be ruined. That's why it's very serious that the government has to impose a serious punishment on people who are caught rigging games, especially if it's the organization itself as it's a coordinated action and massive cheating is happening inside.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mv1986 on September 17, 2021, 12:48:48 PM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Totally agree. The doping scandal has had an enormous impact on the reputation of absolutely all Russian athletes. Due to the corruption, which has become systemic, many honest athletes have to feel some discomfort from the increased attention given to doping tests and performances at international competitions without the national flag and anthem of their country.

If it's systemic the way you described it here, like authorities are also involved, it is probably the worst situation anyway. It is systemic anyway in my opinion because athletes who don't dope know they won't have a fair chance to compete, so they are pulled into the doping system almost automatically.

Dopers are always one step ahead of anti-doping authorities as the dopers and their doctors can innovate while as an anti-doping authority you don't even always know what you are looking for. You can only find what you are looking for, and if you look for the wrong things you won't be able to detect anything. That makes it a profitable and attractive business practice for doctors: try to be the one who develops stuff that nobody can find or prove you being guilty of taking it. I guess most of the absolute superstars are taking something.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ziskinberg on September 17, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
But I doubt that the high-level officials will not do something to make their name dirty.
The fact that they tolerate or control the corruption, they are considered as big syndicate as we are talking of million or billion dollar business depending on the popularity of the league, the more popular it is, the more money will come in the form of bets, and with corruption, rigging games is easy and that would result to easy money by those who give tips to big bettors or what we called sharks or whales.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Pamadar on September 17, 2021, 03:59:00 PM

If it's systemic the way you described it here, like authorities are also involved, it is probably the worst situation anyway. It is systemic anyway in my opinion because athletes who don't dope know they won't have a fair chance to compete, so they are pulled into the doping system almost automatically.

They are, behind the doors, they don't have any opportunities if the system was already corrupt, the only thing they can do
is to go with the flow. If they wanted to continue playing or being part of the team, they need to comply and they needed
to play the role that the management asks them to act without any further question.

That's the only thing if the system of corruptions already there before players even start joining the team.
Dopers are always one step ahead of anti-doping authorities as the dopers and their doctors can innovate while as an anti-doping authority you don't even always know what you are looking for. You can only find what you are looking for, and if you look for the wrong things you won't be able to detect anything. That makes it a profitable and attractive business practice for doctors: try to be the one who develops stuff that nobody can find or prove you being guilty of taking it. I guess most of the absolute superstars are taking something.

Another truth that we can't see, those people are always one step ahead, whatever plans the execution bodies are planning
Those people already have their own alternatives. The fact that most of them are part of the system, so there's nothing that
really possible unless the government and the whole organization will diminish everything and replace everyone with a high
conscience and very trusted parties.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: JohnBitCo on September 17, 2021, 05:04:58 PM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

So if sports is a business is it necessary that there should be corruption there ? I think we should change our mindset and avoid corruption at every cost. The world would be so peaceful if everywhere there is no corruption and merit existed in every field of life.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: alegotardo on September 17, 2021, 06:18:10 PM
So if sports is a business is it necessary that there should be corruption there ? I think we should change our mindset and avoid corruption at every cost. The world would be so peaceful if everywhere there is no corruption and merit existed in every field of life.
Since God gave us "Free Will", there has always been the one who works for the good and the one who works for the evil.
And when the sport became a business (not just entertainment), there are those people who use the money to invest in sport and grow a team, as well as those people who use sport and a team to corruptly earn money.

It isn't just a matter of changing the mindset, corruption is something that is embedded in everything these days.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: markdario112616 on September 17, 2021, 06:30:50 PM
So if sports is a business is it necessary that there should be corruption there ? I think we should change our mindset and avoid corruption at every cost. The world would be so peaceful if everywhere there is no corruption and merit existed in every field of life.

I'd agree, but it's impossible. In business, money is always involved, and we all know that one of the roots of evil is Greed. Money is a product of greed, and those people that have the capacity to bend the rules have the advantage. The sports industry is a one huge corrupted industry and avoiding this corruption can cause some life to be honest. It would be nice if this can really be removed but in reality even we avoid it, we can still feel it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: herurist on September 17, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

So if sports is a business is it necessary that there should be corruption there ? I think we should change our mindset and avoid corruption at every cost. The world would be so peaceful if everywhere there is no corruption and merit existed in every field of life.
this is an impossibility and can only be achieved in imagination.
it is true that the world would be at peace without it.
but we are talking according to the existing reality, humans basically have a greedy side in themselves and what is happening now, especially in sports, of course we know that there can be a good business ground, and in all forms of business believe it or not it will always be there is such a thing as politics, controlling the rights of others and corruption.
I'm talking like this doesn't mean I support this bad thing, but it will always be there even if there are those who refuse and try to eradicate it I think the success rate is only a fraction of a percent of the total corruption in sports, because things like this don't can be prevented except with the awareness of all business people here.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: terrorJR on September 17, 2021, 07:39:45 PM

Corruption in sports cannot be eradicated for two reasons:
1. The difficulty in investigating and collecting evidence of participation in corrupt schemes
2. Too weak punishment at the legislative level
this is indeed possible because of course they do something risky like that with planning and strength from various parties because I believe the perpetrators in this sport corruption case are not only from people related to sports but can be from outside factors and even very possible Once corrupt officials and law enforcement officers are involved, it will be very difficult to stop this because everything is interconnected and protects each other.

related to weak laws is also one of the reasons that is quite strong and the problem in some countries is indeed the policy of the government which is not firm in regulating laws like this which makes corruptors free to carry out their actions without worrying about punishments that befall them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: DoublerHunter on September 17, 2021, 08:59:38 PM
~snip~
Corruption in sports cannot be eradicated for two reasons:
1. The difficulty in investigating and collecting evidence of participation in corrupt schemes
2. Too weak punishment at the legislative level
I think similar to match-fixing which is really punishable stuff, this is one of the most common fraudulent activities in sports betting when there is a match-fixing it will take advantage of others and will surely have a win-win situation when there is fixing the match. The punishment if I am not mistaken is should bet must in imprisonment for about a maximum penalty of 10 years. How sad, you will be in prison just because of that fraudulent activity, your juts wasting your time in prison.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Botnake on September 17, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
~snip~
Corruption in sports cannot be eradicated for two reasons:
1. The difficulty in investigating and collecting evidence of participation in corrupt schemes
2. Too weak punishment at the legislative level
I think similar to match-fixing which is really punishable stuff, this is one of the most common fraudulent activities in sports betting when there is a match-fixing it will take advantage of others and will surely have a win-win situation when there is fixing the match. The punishment if I am not mistaken is should bet must in imprisonment for about a maximum penalty of 10 years. How sad, you will be in prison just because of that fraudulent activity, your juts wasting your time in prison.
That's what would happen if there's corruption in sports, but the words corruption in sports is so deep that there's a lot of things happening inside and it's not only done by a few numbers of people, it's most likely done by the high ranking official in the league and as they have more power to dictate whatever they want to serve their evil purpose.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Alisha-k on September 17, 2021, 10:36:34 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
sports has turned into a massive business vendor and the key players would want to get the king size from the business. Greed is vertually in all sectors and none is left out. I think for sports there is actually no remedy because the players involved are pillars and organizers of the sporting activities. It's just for the Norma man to play along


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Quidat on September 17, 2021, 11:38:38 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
sports has turned into a massive business vendor and the key players would want to get the king size from the business. Greed is vertually in all sectors and none is left out. I think for sports there is actually no remedy because the players involved are pillars and organizers of the sporting activities. It's just for the Norma man to play along
Who could really able to resist specially if the offered amount is something you can earn on a short span of time? Of course you would really be agreeing with those kind of terms.
Corruption is something not new not only on gambling industry but on other industries as well thats why its no surprise that there are really instances or incidents might leaked out
which could really tell that there is something behind is happening.Can we get rid of it? No its not and they would do this as long they havent been bust up yet.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: tippytoes on September 17, 2021, 11:51:59 PM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
sports has turned into a massive business vendor and the key players would want to get the king size from the business. Greed is vertually in all sectors and none is left out. I think for sports there is actually no remedy because the players involved are pillars and organizers of the sporting activities. It's just for the Norma man to play along
Who could really able to resist specially if the offered amount is something you can earn on a short span of time? Of course you would really be agreeing with those kind of terms.
Corruption is something not new not only on gambling industry but on other industries as well thats why its no surprise that there are really instances or incidents might leaked out
which could really tell that there is something behind is happening.Can we get rid of it? No its not and they would do this as long they havent been bust up yet.

Corruption is already part of human lifestyle, sad to say about this reality. And since money just come and go in gambling industry, it is an easy target for those who want to bribe someone in the agency or any government-related organizations. Now, it is up to the player if he will also join this bad practice or live with his morale intact. Usually, this will arise problem and misunderstanding and the public won't know it up until someone spilled the beans.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: BuNga_cute on September 18, 2021, 02:20:36 AM
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sports has turned into a massive business vendor and the key players would want to get the king size from the business. Greed is vertually in all sectors and none is left out. I think for sports there is actually no remedy because the players involved are pillars and organizers of the sporting activities. It's just for the Norma man to play along
Who could really able to resist specially if the offered amount is something you can earn on a short span of time? Of course you would really be agreeing with those kind of terms.
Corruption is something not new not only on gambling industry but on other industries as well thats why its no surprise that there are really instances or incidents might leaked out
which could really tell that there is something behind is happening.Can we get rid of it? No its not and they would do this as long they havent been bust up yet.
Corruption is already part of human lifestyle, sad to say about this reality. And since money just come and go in gambling industry, it is an easy target for those who want to bribe someone in the agency or any government-related organizations. Now, it is up to the player if he will also join this bad practice or live with his morale intact. Usually, this will arise problem and misunderstanding and the public won't know it up until someone spilled the beans.

Corruption does occur in all sectors of life, even in my own environment where I often encounter corrupt practices. It sounds scary, as many people
have low morale and don't feel guilty about committing corruption. Especially in the world of gambling, where the velocity of money is very large,
it makes sense if there is a lot of corruption. Most people are very easily moved by money, so I'm not surprised that many sports competitions
are supposed to be fair play, match-fixing often occurs in the world of sports. To eradicate corruption is not easy, it takes the role of honest people
who dare to report if they find corrupt practices. Because corrupt practices are difficult to detect if no one leaks and reports.  Sometimes
the punishment for the perpetrators of corruption must also be severe, for a deterrent effect.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: uneng on September 18, 2021, 02:28:54 AM
In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.
sports has turned into a massive business vendor and the key players would want to get the king size from the business. Greed is vertually in all sectors and none is left out. I think for sports there is actually no remedy because the players involved are pillars and organizers of the sporting activities. It's just for the Norma man to play along
Who could really able to resist specially if the offered amount is something you can earn on a short span of time? Of course you would really be agreeing with those kind of terms.
Corruption is something not new not only on gambling industry but on other industries as well thats why its no surprise that there are really instances or incidents might leaked out
which could really tell that there is something behind is happening.Can we get rid of it? No its not and they would do this as long they havent been bust up yet.
Honest athletes who value their own reputation, the reputation of their countries and respect their adversaries can resist such temptations and that is this kind of athletle who is carrying the true meaning of "sport" alive. Unfortunatelly there is no way to get rid of it, because most people think these practices are normal and acceptable since they would also cheat, if they had the opportunity of doing so.

But real athetles don't need shortcuts. They are forged through their effort and integrity. The example of great sportsmen like Usain Bolt don't let me lie: they didn't cheat and were still able to break records and insert their names in history.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: hello_good_sir on September 18, 2021, 03:46:23 AM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Yeah, I think that it is definitely an issue.

The same people who are breaking the rules are enforcing the rules which is a huge issue in my opinion. The regulators are often the most corrupt people that are getting the benefits of these arrangements.

There needs to be a real effort for change from the government and not superficial rules to actually make a difference.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mirakal on September 18, 2021, 12:29:25 PM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Yeah, I think that it is definitely an issue.

The same people who are breaking the rules are enforcing the rules which is a huge issue in my opinion. The regulators are often the most corrupt people that are getting the benefits of these arrangements.

There needs to be a real effort for change from the government and not superficial rules to actually make a difference.

There's a wide corruption happening if the government is already involved. I think a certain league that is corrupted this much has no chance to earn the fans respect, there's no way the fans would not know if the government is already involved, IMO, only gamblers would love the sports as they can bet in the side that they think is rigged to win.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Fatunad on September 18, 2021, 01:22:38 PM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Yeah, I think that it is definitely an issue.

The same people who are breaking the rules are enforcing the rules which is a huge issue in my opinion. The regulators are often the most corrupt people that are getting the benefits of these arrangements.

There needs to be a real effort for change from the government and not superficial rules to actually make a difference.

There's a wide corruption happening if the government is already involved. I think a certain league that is corrupted this much has no chance to earn the fans respect, there's no way the fans would not know if the government is already involved, IMO, only gamblers would love the sports as they can bet in the side that they think is rigged to win.
There's no way on people to know about those possible rigged games yet these kind of information is something that cant be known unless if you are part of those vips and clubs which are financially capable.
Corruption is something been a default thing on this world doesnt matter which industry you are on because it would be always present or lurks in the shadows which normal joes couldnt really able to know.
It would be always there and there's nothing we can do about it thats why its no surprising that there would be some games which you do seem to be rigged but we cant really give out proofs.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Taskford on September 18, 2021, 01:25:53 PM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Yeah, I think that it is definitely an issue.

The same people who are breaking the rules are enforcing the rules which is a huge issue in my opinion. The regulators are often the most corrupt people that are getting the benefits of these arrangements.

There needs to be a real effort for change from the government and not superficial rules to actually make a difference.

There's a wide corruption happening if the government is already involved. I think a certain league that is corrupted this much has no chance to earn the fans respect, there's no way the fans would not know if the government is already involved, IMO, only gamblers would love the sports as they can bet in the side that they think is rigged to win.

Well this is not surprising if the government is involve in such activity and we can expect a rampant cheating on various sports and I'm sure if this always happen the sports scene will fade out since many fans would lose an interest to watch the game due to game fixing. But actually we can detect if some fixing happen since for sure we cannot see the players play at their full potential and we can always see a miss play nor obvious calls and play execution.

But I don't also think government is involve in this but maybe we can point out some rich organization which we can see that they are unto sports scene.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: terrorJR on September 18, 2021, 02:44:47 PM
One of the main problems is that the same people who are engaged in it are fighting corruption  ;D The result is clearly visible in our country, which was caught on the state doping system and now the entire national sport bears heavy consequences in the form of discrimination even against those athletes who were completely clean (at least they were not caught on anything).

Yeah, I think that it is definitely an issue.

The same people who are breaking the rules are enforcing the rules which is a huge issue in my opinion. The regulators are often the most corrupt people that are getting the benefits of these arrangements.

There needs to be a real effort for change from the government and not superficial rules to actually make a difference.
The problem is that humans are too greedy for things and want to get as much profit as possible that they can't reach with their hands.
it will be very difficult for the government (because of course there are good governments, even if only a little) to enforce the law on corruption but on the other hand the people who thwart it are people from within the government itself who make it seem as if the law can be traded and the law becomes soft.
and it is not impossible if the longer it goes on like this the image of the government itself will be getting worse in the eyes of the public, especially in sports lovers.
and sport is no longer a requirement for professionalism and sportsmanship if you see corruption continues to thrive in line with the times.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mv1986 on September 18, 2021, 05:11:10 PM

If it's systemic the way you described it here, like authorities are also involved, it is probably the worst situation anyway. It is systemic anyway in my opinion because athletes who don't dope know they won't have a fair chance to compete, so they are pulled into the doping system almost automatically.

They are, behind the doors, they don't have any opportunities if the system was already corrupt, the only thing they can do
is to go with the flow. If they wanted to continue playing or being part of the team, they need to comply and they needed
to play the role that the management asks them to act without any further question.

That's the only thing if the system of corruptions already there before players even start joining the team.
Dopers are always one step ahead of anti-doping authorities as the dopers and their doctors can innovate while as an anti-doping authority you don't even always know what you are looking for. You can only find what you are looking for, and if you look for the wrong things you won't be able to detect anything. That makes it a profitable and attractive business practice for doctors: try to be the one who develops stuff that nobody can find or prove you being guilty of taking it. I guess most of the absolute superstars are taking something.

Another truth that we can't see, those people are always one step ahead, whatever plans the execution bodies are planning
Those people already have their own alternatives. The fact that most of them are part of the system, so there's nothing that
really possible unless the government and the whole organization will diminish everything and replace everyone with a high
conscience and very trusted parties.


I think sponsorships and money play a huge role here. Imagine you dedicate all your life to a sport, become a professional at a certain level and get your first contracts, earn some decent money. You adjust your lifestyle, get a bigger contract and afford more stuff in life. Now you get to the level where you understand that the only way to keep up your lifestyle, to please your sponsors is to take something down your throat or into your veins in order to compete with the world elite. That's actually not funny at all.

We now even see the discussions with technical stuff at the last Olympics where the runners broke all those records because of shoes that were designed differently by a certain company, can't remember the name. But that, on the other hand, is by far not as bad as pimping up your body and risking your health. Technical stuff should be fine for the most part. Technical stuff counts a lot in many sports. It is just where bio-substances come into play that it really sucks, also for us fans.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: wxa7115 on September 18, 2021, 08:01:32 PM
I think sponsorships and money play a huge role here. Imagine you dedicate all your life to a sport, become a professional at a certain level and get your first contracts, earn some decent money. You adjust your lifestyle, get a bigger contract and afford more stuff in life. Now you get to the level where you understand that the only way to keep up your lifestyle, to please your sponsors is to take something down your throat or into your veins in order to compete with the world elite. That's actually not funny at all.

We now even see the discussions with technical stuff at the last Olympics where the runners broke all those records because of shoes that were designed differently by a certain company, can't remember the name. But that, on the other hand, is by far not as bad as pimping up your body and risking your health. Technical stuff should be fine for the most part. Technical stuff counts a lot in many sports. It is just where bio-substances come into play that it really sucks, also for us fans.
Corruption is all over the place in the world of sports and it is not difficult to understand why, the world of sports is a meritocracy, basically the ones that win receive all the attention while no one really remembers who came in second.

This means that people will do everything in their power to be the first place and while cheating by using illegal substances is heavy penalized there are many people that will take them as they believe they deserve to win as they have dedicated their lives to the sport, and this is why cheating is so common in sports despite the dislike fans have for cheaters and how much it damages sports in general.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Ziskinberg on September 18, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
I think sponsorships and money play a huge role here. Imagine you dedicate all your life to a sport, become a professional at a certain level and get your first contracts, earn some decent money. You adjust your lifestyle, get a bigger contract and afford more stuff in life. Now you get to the level where you understand that the only way to keep up your lifestyle, to please your sponsors is to take something down your throat or into your veins in order to compete with the world elite. That's actually not funny at all.

We now even see the discussions with technical stuff at the last Olympics where the runners broke all those records because of shoes that were designed differently by a certain company, can't remember the name. But that, on the other hand, is by far not as bad as pimping up your body and risking your health. Technical stuff should be fine for the most part. Technical stuff counts a lot in many sports. It is just where bio-substances come into play that it really sucks, also for us fans.
Corruption is all over the place in the world of sports and it is not difficult to understand why, the world of sports is a meritocracy, basically the ones that win receive all the attention while no one really remembers who came in second.

This means that people will do everything in their power to be the first place and while cheating by using illegal substances is heavy penalized there are many people that will take them as they believe they deserve to win as they have dedicated their lives to the sport, and this is why cheating is so common in sports despite the dislike fans have for cheaters and how much it damages sports in general.

I like to believe that it's happening but the corruption is not rampant, why? because if there's massive corruption in sports, fans are cheated all the time and it's like these people are stealing the real happiness of the fans. I don't want to think that way because once it's in our heads, we will not appreciate the true beauty of sports. Everytime our team loses, we would always think that there's a rig happening, not good.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 18, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
Corruption is all over the place in the world of sports and it is not difficult to understand why, the world of sports is a meritocracy, basically the ones that win receive all the attention while no one really remembers who came in second.
That's true.

Those who are in the second and also 3rd doesn't get that much attention after but it's all about the 1st place. That's why everyone is aiming to be at the top.

Not just about glory, prize and as well as fame.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mv1986 on September 18, 2021, 11:46:57 PM
I think sponsorships and money play a huge role here. Imagine you dedicate all your life to a sport, become a professional at a certain level and get your first contracts, earn some decent money. You adjust your lifestyle, get a bigger contract and afford more stuff in life. Now you get to the level where you understand that the only way to keep up your lifestyle, to please your sponsors is to take something down your throat or into your veins in order to compete with the world elite. That's actually not funny at all.

We now even see the discussions with technical stuff at the last Olympics where the runners broke all those records because of shoes that were designed differently by a certain company, can't remember the name. But that, on the other hand, is by far not as bad as pimping up your body and risking your health. Technical stuff should be fine for the most part. Technical stuff counts a lot in many sports. It is just where bio-substances come into play that it really sucks, also for us fans.
Corruption is all over the place in the world of sports and it is not difficult to understand why, the world of sports is a meritocracy, basically the ones that win receive all the attention while no one really remembers who came in second.

This means that people will do everything in their power to be the first place and while cheating by using illegal substances is heavy penalized there are many people that will take them as they believe they deserve to win as they have dedicated their lives to the sport, and this is why cheating is so common in sports despite the dislike fans have for cheaters and how much it damages sports in general.

I like to believe that it's happening but the corruption is not rampant, why? because if there's massive corruption in sports, fans are cheated all the time and it's like these people are stealing the real happiness of the fans. I don't want to think that way because once it's in our heads, we will not appreciate the true beauty of sports. Everytime our team loses, we would always think that there's a rig happening, not good.

At the same time approaching the topic in a naive way can also be destructive, especially for your athletes and their development. The best example is bodybuilding and instagrammers: most of them are on juice, but are those average Joes thinking who are hitting the gym 6 times a week and have no idea why they can't get even close to their role models or influencers they like? That destroys peoples' views on life and reality in general. Doesn't sound like a better alternative to me. A lot of great achievements haven't been achieved fully naturally, and it is important to keep that in mind when you are about to challenge yourself or see how hard your own children might work for their goals one day but frequently lose steam because they just look up to those guys who are on gear.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Twinkledoe on September 18, 2021, 11:53:30 PM
Corruption is all over the place in the world of sports and it is not difficult to understand why, the world of sports is a meritocracy, basically the ones that win receive all the attention while no one really remembers who came in second.
That's true.

Those who are in the second and also 3rd doesn't get that much attention after but it's all about the 1st place. That's why everyone is aiming to be at the top.

Not just about glory, prize and as well as fame.

That's the reality and we can't do much about this. But if you are directly involved and you feel you have valid reasons to complain, you can always make a move and lobby for the justice that you think you deserve. It takes sheer determination to go against all odds.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: CDC AP on September 19, 2021, 12:11:11 PM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: ethereumhunter on September 20, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
Well, I think corruption or bribery in sports goes back to the sportsman or the athlete himself, because if he really likes his profession and thinks about his future career, then corruption or bribery in sports will not happen because they or the players will definitely refuse. I personally never know if an election campaign says that because usually they only deal with corruption in government circles and not in sports but anyway, if it is done then of course to fight corruption is a good thing.
Corruption can happen in many things and not just in government, so we do not have to be surprised if somehow, it happens in sports. As long as people only think about how they can make fast and hot money without thinking about their career in the future, they will still do that and not stop before the government catches them.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Chato1977 on September 20, 2021, 09:38:09 AM
what happened to this thread? i have been seeing this in Gambling discussion section why now sitting here in Off Topic?  ;D

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But corruption is part of every league and lets admit that . you really can't take that out.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 21, 2021, 09:03:13 PM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.

Actually, what I see is not the law, it's the fact that it's hard to prove a fixed game, and only a few got caught on that. If it's within inside and no one will talk or no one will show up as witness of the sports rigging, nothing will happen because all we can do is to speculate.

Well the fact is that there will be corruption, but it will not be as easy as before, although there will always be a lot of money involved and that unfortunately it will be above sport, at least people can witness the fraud and that will do have much more noise worldwide to see embarrassing events and that injustice is seen, this will cause many referees to be sanctioned and some will ban them from being in high-level football matches, at least it will help to minimize some of the corruption or it will expose her.

Without going very far, as happened in the Olympic games with the case of the Colombian boxer and the Filipino, which, the Filipino was almost in KO and they gave him the winner, although the Colombian Olympic federation claimed they did not give importance to his appeal , but it actually looked really bad.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 21, 2021, 11:56:35 PM
what happened to this thread? i have been seeing this in Gambling discussion section why now sitting here in Off Topic?  ;D
Moved by the mods.

But corruption is part of every league and lets admit that . you really can't take that out.
It is but you'll not know if there is because mostly, they're hiding it.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Chato1977 on September 22, 2021, 01:23:55 AM
what happened to this thread? i have been seeing this in Gambling discussion section why now sitting here in Off Topic?  ;D
Moved by the mods.

But corruption is part of every league and lets admit that . you really can't take that out.
It is but you'll not know if there is because mostly, they're hiding it.
None will accept that fact mate even how Visible it is already nowadays.

there are certain decisions that they made in which an obvious questionable but they are standing towards so they are literally showing none professionalism .


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: boyptc on September 22, 2021, 08:33:13 PM
But corruption is part of every league and lets admit that . you really can't take that out.
It is but you'll not know if there is because mostly, they're hiding it.
None will accept that fact mate even how Visible it is already nowadays.

there are certain decisions that they made in which an obvious questionable but they are standing towards so they are literally showing none professionalism .
Yes.

Even if it's already in front of some, they will just ignore it because they don't want to be the one to be voicing it or else, the eyes of those corrupts will be on you.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: DeathAngel on September 23, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
It’s not isolated to sports, there is corruption & greed in all walks of life. Don’t be surprised at how shitty some people can be. Expect the worst, look after yourself & your family & you will be OK.


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: mistereverything on September 26, 2021, 11:27:56 PM
I think all sports can be rigged... humans are very corruptible 


Title: Re: Corruption and Sports
Post by: Chato1977 on September 27, 2021, 03:41:13 AM
But corruption is part of every league and lets admit that . you really can't take that out.
It is but you'll not know if there is because mostly, they're hiding it.
None will accept that fact mate even how Visible it is already nowadays.

there are certain decisions that they made in which an obvious questionable but they are standing towards so they are literally showing none professionalism .
Yes.

Even if it's already in front of some, they will just ignore it because they don't want to be the one to be voicing it or else, the eyes of those corrupts will be on you.
And this is the same reason why i stopped supporting sports now a day instead i only act when i am betting in sports gambling but other than that? liek what the old days that i watched and support them?
now it is long gone .