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March 20, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
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I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Retirement plan for whom?

I guess no excuse could justify this because it's a crime, it's a certain team or league against the people, this is betraying public trust as their job is to entertain the people and in return they'll get money from people, that should only be the limitation and not to participate in any fix game or corruption which is a criminal offense.
Corruption is still corruption no matter what is your motive good or Bad.
Because if we will give consent on their activities then we must allow everything that comes illegal in this world.
and besides they are the only one whos profiting while many are being a victim.

They must be put in jail and suffer from their BS works.

Of course as they are the reason why a certain sport loses its reputation, it's not good for the sports in overall. As what we remember, there are some speculation about a conspiracy in NBA in the past, and although it's not happening now, people still have doubt, it will actually stay so it's better to prevent it and jail those people who are doing it.

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March 20, 2021, 11:54:06 AM
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In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

There's corruption everywhere or in any group or organization, there's no perfect organization, people are greedy and they want to exert their power to those who they can control, much more on sports, sports is a multi-billion dollar industry, and there are always greedy players who will connive with corrupt officials and groups to manipulate games because the money that they are going to make is ten times or even bigger than what they are earning.

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March 21, 2021, 12:55:52 AM
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Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
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March 21, 2021, 01:10:42 AM
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Corruption is inevitable in life. It basically covers every sphere and sports isn't going to be an option. I hear there are fixed  bets and I wonder how does this happen? Because actually,  some assured draws comes off that way and I you wonder how did it happen. Its only because of the corrupt officials and stake holders in the sports system. Sports is entertainment as much as it is business and as such, it would always be exploited for some profit by stakeholders when they aren't closely monitored.
While I agree that corruption is inevitable and that some level of it is going to exist in every single country around the world we cannot use that as an excuse to not fight against it, corruption in sports is a very big deal because the whole point of holding sport competitions is to see who is the best at an activity when you have a level playing field, if one person or team has an unfair advantage over their opponents then not only that is cheating but that also denies any reason to watch the sport at all.
Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

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March 21, 2021, 08:07:51 PM
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Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.



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March 21, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
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Louder. Corruption is a thing, and will continue to be a thing yes, but removing it from the scene, even if temporarily,  is still a huge benefit to everyone in that scene. Sides, you can't exactly expect for only a single group to eradicate corruption in a group/scene for all eternity right? They'd have to commit mass genocide for that to even work. Maybe if we were to ignore a person's privacy rights and let everything be publicly reflected, it could be reduced to the minimum, but in the end, it still needs to have that central figure that wouldn't allow corruption.

No one person can control everything. In sports, as everywhere else, there are a lot of people working. Even if the head is not involved in corruption, it does not mean that his subordinates will not be involved. It seems to me that corruption is a thing that is inevitable. At least as long as people will make the decision. Or it is necessary to build a maximum vertical of power to minimize it, but even then it will not disappear.

Though not everyone is involve but as long as there's one person in a team that will do the corruption, it already has a huge effect especially for the bettors. Imagine, the 0.5 difference in sports betting could case a huge loss already for the bettors, that if a player will intentionally achieve a certain number to hit a certain point spread or even the totals.

Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

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March 21, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
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I think this is one of their retirement plan wherein it’d be easier for them to earn that amount of money without playing the sports they were known for. Some even would run for government officials because people already know them when they were an athlete.

Yeah! there are lots of them in our country mostly some old veterans basketball players or even some old celebrities who are famous in their times and they get enough numbers of votes to win the election. By the way, only a few of them has done their job well and most of the time they been using their position just to make money and to support their financial activities which they've been doing since they were an artist. Most of these guys don't have any idea what they are going to be and how politics runs. the only thing that they know is acting and the area that they covered hasn't got any improvement after they've been elected.

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March 22, 2021, 06:24:50 PM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.



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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

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March 22, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.

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March 22, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

I don't think a star player would want to put his career at risk. The amount of money they can earn is huge, so it can be very dangerous for them to be attracted to more money. Again many times the intoxication of money prevents people from thinking deeply so they make wrong decisions.

But in the past, many stars were involved in various forms of corruption so that they were caught in such activities. So players often get offers of something huge and they do not hesitate to risk everything.

Most of those superstars in any sports events are already being offered with huge amount it ill lessen the chance of any participations with fixed gamings.

The managements understand the flow of events around this business, in order to secure their assets providing a very competitive
and alluring offers are being provided to every deserving stars.

Though the accuracy can't conclude if there's no big names that's been involve to this kind of activities.

You can't guarantee that though, human  are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.

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March 22, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  Cheesy

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March 23, 2021, 12:50:28 AM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.
I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.
You are right! Its just impossible to think that they would really be giving out some big amounts but who knows if the deal is a sweet one for a certain star player then these situations are possible.

Everything could happen behind the curtains that's why we can just end up on presuming things without valid proofs that it does actually happen but we know that once

money is on the line or in talks then people minds do eventually change even if you do thought that they do have that kind of dignity of fairness or sportsmanship.  Cheesy

Money can change a person, even someone who has a large income can be tempted by a large amount of money. Because everyone's greed limits
are different, star players who have large incomes may also be involved in corruption. There are always possibilities, so it doesn't guarantee that
star players won't get involved in corruption. Therefore if there is corruption, an in-depth investigation must be carried out so that all parties involved
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.
Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.

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March 23, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told. 
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.
That is only if he can realize that what he did before is wrong and it's not matched with his heart. He needs to have a strong heart to get out of that circle, and maybe that needs help from other people. But once he tells his problem to other people, that can attract that person to investigate deeper about the corruption that already happened before.  Maybe only with that, the corruption will have a chance to eradicate slowly as the clean officer will search for people in that circle.
Eradicating corruption is indeed not easy because there will be a reliable team to anticipate if it is revealed and made suspects for those who are not involved because corruptors have great teams and lawyers, and corruptors also have strategies and look for victims who will be involved if caught.
and all because of money and greed, if tempted to earn large sums of money, anyone will get involved and even become the sole suspect.
Things like that often happen to organizations or governments, and anyone who is strong will win and the point is never to try or be tempted by money that is not his right because it is a temptation of how strong your faith is.
Yes, the corrupt people will have almost everything to escape from the investigation, and maybe they can pay off the people who know what they did not to tell the officer or police. That will be a big job for the clean officers to try hard to investigate and collect every proves out there, even if they need to use a trap to catch one of the corrupt people. In the government, some people are in that circle, and they can free to do what they want without thinking if they are breaking the law. Sooner or later, justice will be revealed and the bad people will get in jail by the police.

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March 23, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
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Like you, I used to naively believe that sooner or later the good guys would beat corruption. How very wrong I was. At present I am sure that the special services have long ago collected so much dirt on most of the people in power that they can be prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time at any time. Corruption is a lever to force the weaker players to play by the rules of the stronger players and protect their interests.

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March 23, 2021, 04:40:40 PM
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Refs and star players have big impact in the game, so if they'll rig the game it could give a big impact to a certain sport.

I don't think the star players are involved in corruption. The top athletes have very good contacts and earn a lot. Besides, they have contracts with big brands. I don't think they would risk everything for a few hundred thousand dollars. After all, if they were found out that they were involved in corruption, they would lose everything they have.

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You can't guarantee that though, human  are greedy by nature so even if they are already receiving a huge salary or contract, they can still cheat if it's not that too risky to get caught. Thing is, with billions of money being wagered in sports, a star player depending on how big the league he is playing if he will participate, $1 million could be easy for him in one game and that's a huge bonus aside from the salary they are getting.

Players often try to take advantage of the opportunity, when they see a large amount of money can be found from there and the risk is low. Those who know sports news may know how many superstar players have been involved in fixing at different times.

They didn't always survive by fixing, many times many superstars were caught fixing and their careers were ruined. So in some cases greed has affected many superstars in the wrong direction.

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I support your point of view. In addition, the practice of blackmail and coercion to the necessary actions under the condition of non-disclosure of compromising information is very often used among the corrupt and bribe takers. So if a player has ever been involved in corrupt schemes, then get out of this vicious circle will be virtually unrealistic, as either he will lose his reputation or will continue to do what he is told.  
There will be a breaking point for someone and I think that if that person is going to have a change of heart, I think that getting out of this vicious circle is possible but that means that he/she is ready to face the consequences and be ready to whistleblow on the corruption that he/she had participated into, reputation wise I think that depending on how that player delivers his/her words.

Corruptions already been a decade inside this business, there are always the good guys who tried to expose this and just ended up losing careers and be forgotten. It's not something that can easily battle then win but most of the time, before this people brings evidence to fully exposed whatever anomaly that they've known, those high officials that are involved to this behind already made stories to counter the expose.

It's a long battler field unless the officials and not just one but more officials to stand against this practice the very possible that it will end up and clean back the images of this business.

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