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May 14, 2022, 07:29:51 PM
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I think i figure it out ...what russians are trying to do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gf3g8jfZ6E

They are trying to starve Ukraine to death ...
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May 14, 2022, 09:26:34 PM
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Chronology of the statements of the Kremlin leaders:

February 22: the army of Ukraine will not be able to show any noticeable resistance to the units of the RF Armed Forces!
February 24: Kyiv will be captured in 2-3 days!
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May 14: Ambassador to Washington: Russia firmly tells US that there will be no capitulation of Moscow in Ukraine

That's all I wanted to say Smiley

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May 14, 2022, 11:07:08 PM
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Chronology of the statements of the Kremlin leaders:

February 22: the army of Ukraine will not be able to show any noticeable resistance to the units of the RF Armed Forces!
February 24: Kyiv will be captured in 2-3 days!
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May 14: Ambassador to Washington: Russia firmly tells US that there will be no capitulation of Moscow in Ukraine

That's all I wanted to say Smiley

If no capitulation it will be a long long war.
Long wars are never good ... means Ukrainians will starve,also Russians and at the end when they realize there is no hope some idiot will push the button do to fact there is no more balance of powers...

With all that territory Russia still wants more territory ... incredible how greedy this people are.

Here is also a secret: we take absolute nothing with us when we die and the observable universe is so big that it it may be infinite and after that there is a non-observable universe even bigger and after that there is a multiverse that is said to have a infinite number of universes ... 21 century and people are still fighting for peanuts ... oh brother we are so stup...id
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May 14, 2022, 11:48:11 PM
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You might be right on firepower of a large nation like Russia but to guess their tactics is probably giving too much credit.   They pulled back because of so many losses while counting any success, war is ultimately destructive and a horrible loss for both sides this is always true.
  They destroyed buildings and its a civilian city, I think their fight is not well chosen or directed for winning anything tactically in effective advancement of the war or possession of this country; I would not want to advise them on any better course of action as the whole endeavor is an appalling waste of time and life for those paying the cost.

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May 15, 2022, 02:49:18 AM
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Being a neutral party to this conflict, I would say that the performance from the Russian armed forces have been below par so far. Even with much superior equipment and manpower ratio, they have suffered huge losses and failed to maintain the initial momentum. On the other hand, the poorly equipped rebel forces (those of the rebel territories of DNR and LNR) have made significant gains on ground, even with 19th century equipment in their hand. During the last two months or so, almost all the territorial gains for the Russian side were achieved in areas where the DNR/LNR militias did the fighting (Oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Eastern part of Kharkiv). Ukrainian forces have advanced in areas where the proper Russian troops were deployed (Oblasts of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Mykolayiv and Northern part of Kharkiv).

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May 15, 2022, 06:57:24 AM
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its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. These days even small man portable weapons can significantly damage bigger military formations, Drones can bring down misslile systems and missiles can sink ships.
The war these days is a  protracted affair of attrition and Russian generals knew this, so they moved in slowly and cautiously
Not quite right. The Kremlin made a bet during the attack on Ukraine on February 24 precisely on a massive offensive in order to shock the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the number of troops and equipment. The calculation was also on lightning speed. Putin expected to seize the territory of Ukraine in a few days. Therefore, the invaders had dry rations for only three days, and there was practically no rear escort. Already when the Russian army was bogged down in the war in Ukraine and began to experience problems with food, an instruction was received from the Kremlin to switch to self-sufficiency, that is, the troops were allowed to rob shops and the civilian population, which they did.

Almost the entire Russian army is now fighting on the territory of Ukraine. They have already gathered troops from almost all of Russia, including the Far East, and now they are even withdrawing their troops from Syria, as well as sending sailors from the Northern Fleet. Everything that is possible is already being raked out, because almost half of the Russian army has already been killed or wounded. In terms of the amount of destroyed military equipment, the circumstances here are even worse. Russia is already equipping new recruits with the 1891 Mosin rifles that were used in World War I a century ago.
Therefore, I do not think that Russia is at war with Ukraine not at full strength. It's just that the professionalism and spirit of the Russian army is much lower than that of the Ukrainian one. This explains the military defeat of Russia in Ukraine.

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its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. These days even small man portable weapons can significantly damage bigger military formations, Drones can bring down misslile systems and missiles can sink ships.
The war these days is a  protracted affair of attrition and Russian generals knew this, so they moved in slowly and cautiously
Not quite right. The Kremlin made a delivery to Ukraine on February 24 precisely on a mass offensive in order to shock the APU of the fast army and equipment. The calculation was also on lightning speed. Putin calculated the acquisition in a few days. Therefore, the invaders demanded dry rations for only three days, and there was practically no rear escort. Already when the Russian army was bogged down in the war in Ukraine and there was a problem with food, the Kremlin ordered to switch to self-sufficiency, that is, the troops were allowed to rob shops and the civilian population, which they took.
Almost the entire Russian army is now fighting on the territory of Ukraine. They have already gathered almost all the troops of Russia, including the Far East, and at present they are even withdrawing their troops from illnesses, as well as sending sailors from the Northern Fleet. Everything that is possible is already being raked out, because almost half of the Russian army has already been killed or wounded. In terms of the number of common military equipment, here the turnover is even worse. Russia is already equipping new recruits with the 1891 Mosin rifles that were used in World War I a century ago.
Therefore, I do not think that Russia is at war with Ukraine not in full force. It's just that the discussion and spirit of the Russian army is much lower than that of the Ukrainian one. This explains the military defeat of Russia in Ukraine.
Russia has done so much damage to Ukraine already. They have taken away the leftover food and utensils of people of Ukraine.
That is so sad and that is so disturbing. I think Russia should stop now and they should focus of rebuilding themselves and new drama of rehabilitation will start. OH I am so tired of these superpower dule faces.

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May 15, 2022, 07:06:52 AM
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You might be right on firepower of a large nation like Russia but to guess their tactics is probably giving too much credit.   They pulled back because of so many losses while counting any success, war is ultimately destructive and a horrible loss for both sides this is always true.
 They destroyed buildings and its a civilian city, I think their fight is not well chosen or directed for winning anything tactically in effective advancement of the war or possession of this country; I would not want to advise them on any better course of action as the whole endeavor is an appalling waste of time and life for those paying the cost.
They are a lot of factors as to why Russia they are pulling back with their attacks to Ukraine. We know as much that Russia can win the war that they've started with Ukraine however I don't that this war's purpose is to mainly destroy the country or overtake it.
Clearly, they are just showing their power not to Ukraine but to the whole world in case a much more bigger conflict could occur. Also, I'm sure that there are more negotiation going on that is not being shown in the media that will provide a huge gain with Russia.

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To a greater extent too I have wonder what OP said in my quiet times because Russia has been said to be in the world power ranking but they have not been able subduing Ukraine and retracing leaves more questions. Although Russia is not coming out clearly to the use of nuclear weapon but that should not be all that Russia has to go into warfare. Maybe Putin is just making his military presence felt or that is the highest they can go.
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I suspect Russia is committing as much as it can and is finding it much, much harder going than it anticipated, for example in the news today:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russias-donbas-offensive-has-lost-momentum-2022-05-15/

TL; DR: “ LONDON, May 15 (Reuters) - Russia has probably lost around a third of the ground forces it deployed to Ukraine and its offensive in the Donbas region "has lost momentum and fallen significantly behind schedule", British military intelligence said on Sunday.”
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Chronology of the statements of the Kremlin leaders:

February 22: the army of Ukraine will not be able to show any noticeable resistance to the units of the RF Armed Forces!
February 24: Kyiv will be captured in 2-3 days!
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May 14: Ambassador to Washington: Russia firmly tells US that there will be no capitulation of Moscow in Ukraine

That's all I wanted to say Smiley

If no capitulation it will be a long long war.
Long wars are never good ... means Ukrainians will starve,also Russians and at the end when they realize there is no hope some idiot will push the button do to fact there is no more balance of powers...

With all that territory Russia still wants more territory ... incredible how greedy this people are.

Here is also a secret: we take absolute nothing with us when we die and the observable universe is so big that it it may be infinite and after that there is a non-observable universe even bigger and after that there is a multiverse that is said to have a infinite number of universes ... 21 century and people are still fighting for peanuts ... oh brother we are so stup...id



Well, you see - and Russia will be hysterical that it does not want to capitulate Smiley But nothing, Hitler also dreamed of a great Reich, like his pathetic parody in the Kremlin, but we know how he ended ....

Ukraine must not surrender - losing this war will be tantamount to the cessation of the existence of Ukraine, and we do not agree with this, we have plans for a long and happy life. This, in general, infuriates the crazy maniac in Moscow .. The aggressor must cease to exist, and we are striving for this. I think such a final will be supported by the majority of normal countries. Yes, I know that the price of each day is life. The lives of the defenders of Ukraine, ordinary citizens, the destruction of infrastructure. I saw who the Rashists were in Kyiv, and I saw Irpen and Bucha, what the Rashists did to them. And I don't want my country to turn into a giant common grave. Therefore, it is only necessary to win and destroy the aggressor. And I must admit that our army is doing great, even though we are not "the second most powerful army in the world" Smiley We are supported by the whole normal world, we are supported by ordinary people and governments. At the same time, we helped the world to see where the metastasis of the new Nazism had ripened, and taught us not to be afraid of the threats of a crazy fascist, who was used to lying to everyone and always. Victory will be ours !

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     Probably because they are underestimating Ukraine and the tenacity of the Ukrainian people. But I don't think they would underestimate it to the point that it would make the war drag on this long. One thing I can think of would be the way they think that they should always be prepared for whatever implications their invasion on Ukraine may bring. Although it may be unlikely for the other countries to be involved to an extent of attacking Russia directly but I guess they just want to be well prepared for whatever scenario.

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Because it doesn't make sense for them to use so many resources against a country like Ukraine. It would be like killing a cockroach with a bazooka, it makes no sense.
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Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?


Because there are many fact and causes behind of this. If Rasia attack with full force in Ukraine, then other countries  will get a chance to attack Russia there is another main things that the War is very expensive so I think, Russia thinks that they are already very powerful country and Ukraine is a small weak so that can be defeated by a small attack. Even then there's is a connection of geopolitics.

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     Probably because they are underestimating Ukraine and the tenacity of the Ukrainian people. But I don't think they would underestimate it to the point that it would make the war drag on this long. One thing I can think of would be the way they think that they should always be prepared for whatever implications their invasion on Ukraine may bring. Although it may be unlikely for the other countries to be involved to an extent of attacking Russia directly but I guess they just want to be well prepared for whatever scenario.

Also, we don't know the truth about their actual weaponry. Does Russia have those resources to sustain this war? And maybe, they are not using full force because they know the world is watching, and other countries may possibly help in case the situation calls for. Anyway, we don't know the reasoning behind this, and we are only giving speculations. What we can aim for is that hopefully this war will be over soon as many lives are now being sacrificed. The longer this war will be, the more sufferance it will give to both sides, whether Russian or Ukrainian.
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If Russia fight with its complete force Ukraine will get backed by more countries, then the same might turn as a war between Russia and rest of the world. Such a situation is worse and to avoid such happening it looks like Russia have been slowly evading Ukraine. Russia needs to come to an end at the shortest than troubling the country where the citizens weren't able to move independently.

We don't know what is the exact plan of Russia, but it showed they're strong to the world. Again through the sanction they weren't down, which showed their potential to withstand the opposition of western nations.

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Because it doesn't make sense for them to use so many resources against a country like Ukraine. It would be like killing a cockroach with a bazooka, it makes no sense.
Because other countries will take action against them and they might lose a lot of resources if they go all in with Ukraine. Russia knows that this is a long war so technically they are preserving their army for a bigger purposes. Let’s hope that Russia will take all out against Ukraine, because for sure Ukraine can’t handle it.
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Because it doesn't make sense for them to use so many resources against a country like Ukraine. It would be like killing a cockroach with a bazooka, it makes no sense.
Because other countries will take action against them and they might lose a lot of resources if they go all in with Ukraine. Russia knows that this is a long war so technically they are preserving their army for a bigger purposes. Let’s hope that Russia will take all out against Ukraine, because for sure Ukraine can’t handle it.

No need to underestimate Ukraine. After Russia and Turkey, they have probably the largest and best trained Armed Forces in all of Europe (although the three months of war has wiped out a large portion of that force). And it is also not true that Russia has not used it's full force in Ukraine. Right now they have close to 150,000 troops in Ukraine, which works out to a considerable proportion of their active fighting strength. And they have suffered significant losses as well (despite using the poorly trained reserves from LNR and DNR as cannon fodder).

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its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. 

And more important Russia (USSR) is not getting America and Geat Britain's help anymore, it's their first war when they fight alone without somebody stretching their forces on 3 fronts. And when it comes to 1:1, Russia fails miserably, that's why in their history books they go from Napoleon to Hitler, forgetting about Napoleon III, Katsura Taro, and Wilhelm II.

If everyone is asking why are they not throwing more forces in battle, look at those Pikachu faces on Russian national television:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUlgd7HZtYU

Simple, there is nothing left to throw at, a cardboard tank that was never produced, a 17th generation fighter that can't fly, a ship that was supposed to do that and that and somehow pressed the transform to a submarine button.
Why is everyone surprised by this, remember the wars in  Chechnya?

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yah so.   what makes all of you think thats theres fighting in ukraine has anything to do with politics land or ideology or security?

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