Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..

[be.open]

territory of the DPR territory of the LPR

The OSCE report doesn't say DPR or LPR (it says Donetsk and Lugansk regions) and it doesn't say which side violated the cease fire.

Topic moved to another section? Then I will answer.

The links in the OSCE reports also contain a link to the full version of the PDF with a map showing the places where the ceasefire was violated. From these maps, you can easily understand which side violated the ceasefire.

Nor should it matter to Russia, because all of this happened not in Russian territory.

Perhaps this was not important until February 22, when Putin signed the Laws on the ratification of treaties on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and the republics of the DPR and LPR. However:

February 22, 2022
332 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 703 violations of the ceasefire, 1224 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1224 population of the ceasefire // Report No. 41/2022, OSCE

February 23, 2022
345 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 528 ceasefire violations, 1075 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1182 ceasefire violations // Report No. 42/2022, OSCE

Simply put, Ukraine shelled Donetsk from Grad February 22, 2022. Even if the direct double casus belli that I mentioned above is not enough for you, this is an indirect casus belli, when Ukraine attacked independent states that have an agreement on friendship and military protection with Russia. Russia regards such an attack as an attack on itself. Russia immediately responded to such a manifestation of military aggression from Ukraine by launching a military special operation.

Since February 21, the war in Donbas has ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine, and since February 22, it has become a matter for Russia as well.

[bitgov]

Since February 21, the war in Donbas has ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine, and since February 22, it has become a matter for Russia as well.

It is nature's law that one who takes birth has to die according to God will. But today life seems to be in hand of war lords. Who are trading deaths everywhere. No One know how many dreadful deaths we have to see in the days to come. May we all witness the dawn of peace. 

[tam31]

*Russia is actually helping Ukraine to win the war against what some would call globalists. She is not attacking nor fighting against Ukraine.


In regards to the topic, ofcourse, Russia made a mistake with that withdrawal. It wasn't ordered by the ONE who sent her to the battle.

Plus Russia was slowed down due to innocent civilians/people. Satan realized this and took advantage of it by using people as human shield to make things more difficult for Russia. But that problem can easily be solved.

I would definitely consider the attack on Ukraine killing Ukrainian civilians as "not helping". I know that there are Russian trolls and bots online, and I agree that you should be saying that in order to get paid and that is why I understand and that makes sense.

However, the reality is not what you claim to be, it is different and it is not the reality. The reality is that Russia is killing innocent people who had nothing to do with the politics, that is the issue. If there is something Russia hated, then deal with them, deal with people made the decisions, killing innocent Ukrainian’s is not the answer nor would give some response or result to you.

[af_newbie]

territory of the DPR territory of the LPR

The OSCE report doesn't say DPR or LPR (it says Donetsk and Lugansk regions) and it doesn't say which side violated the cease fire.

Topic moved to another section? Then I will answer.

The links in the OSCE reports also contain a link to the full version of the PDF with a map showing the places where the ceasefire was violated. From these maps, you can easily understand which side violated the ceasefire.

Nor should it matter to Russia, because all of this happened not in Russian territory.

Perhaps this was not important until February 22, when Putin signed the Laws on the ratification of treaties on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and the republics of the DPR and LPR. However:

February 22, 2022
332 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 703 violations of the ceasefire, 1224 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1224 population of the ceasefire // Report No. 41/2022, OSCE

February 23, 2022
345 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 528 ceasefire violations, 1075 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1182 ceasefire violations // Report No. 42/2022, OSCE

Simply put, Ukraine shelled Donetsk from Grad February 22, 2022. Even if the direct double casus belli that I mentioned above is not enough for you, this is an indirect casus belli, when Ukraine attacked independent states that have an agreement on friendship and military protection with Russia. Russia regards such an attack as an attack on itself. Russia immediately responded to such a manifestation of military aggression from Ukraine by launching a military special operation.

Since February 21, the war in Donbas has ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine, and since February 22, it has become a matter for Russia as well.

Russia broke international law by invading Donbas and Crimea in 2014.  Since then they have committed genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Since Feb 24, 2022, they intensified their genocidal actions.

The whole world will stop them. First in Ukraine, then in Russia, and all Russian-occupied territories since the 1500s.

Free Caucasus, Komi, Yakutia, and other non-Russian territories!!!

[mm2543363580]

Russia broke international law by invading Donbas and Crimea in 2014.  Since then they have committed genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Since Feb 24, 2022, they intensified their genocidal actions.

The whole world will stop them. First in Ukraine, then in Russia, and all Russian-occupied territories since the 1500s.

Free Caucasus, Komi, Yakutia, and other non-Russian territories!!!

Already so much damage is made and so much trouble has been done.
Still people want Russia to impose more power on Ukraine. War needs to be stopped whatsoever is the case. There is no justification for the war.

[OgNasty]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries. 

[og kush420]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries. 

What are the plans of Russia?
Why is this war? has Russia achieved what they wanted to achieve? If yes -then there is no need to put bombs on innocent civilians. The war is not the solution - it has to stop no matter what.

[af_newbie]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries.  

What are the plans of Russia?
Why is this war? has Russia achieved what they wanted to achieve? If yes -then there is no need to put bombs on innocent civilians. The war is not the solution - it has to stop no matter what.

Russia's plan is simple.

To kill any anti-Russian opposition in Ukraine and annex its territories to Russia.

Then Russify the Ukrainian lands and erase all Ukrainian culture from the annexed territories.

In two words, establish: "Russian Peace" or "Russkiy Mir".

[BADecker]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically ..


Maybe this is the answer...


USA, Soviet Heated Argument | You Only Live Twice (1967)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmsfrWJMsQ


... But if it isn't, maybe this is the answer...


A Normal Day In Russia #8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlepG3ahf4



 

[Majestic-milf]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

Why the russians are allowing the ukrainens to win ... they had Kiev in their hands and then they retreat ,it makes no sense,tactically it makes no sense ... as a general i would have bombed Kiev like Mariupol or worse ...

Russia has a lot of resources ...ammo never finishes for russians ...you had Kiev in your hands why would you give it back ? ...no sense ...


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/why-hasnt-russia-mobilised-its-vast-air-power-against-ukraine

The reason why Putin is not using it's full force in Ukraine is quite simple. No matter how desperate he is to win the war, he cannot afford to incure the wrath of the UN by making use of nuclear weapons available in his arsenal. Because doing this would also be an infringement on human rights.

[og kush420]

The reason why Putin is not using it's full force in Ukraine is quite simple. No matter how desperate he is to win the war, he cannot afford to incure the wrath of the UN by making use of nuclear weapons available in his arsenal. Because doing this would also be an infringement on human rights.

Russia is not fighting with powerful country where they have to show their muscles.
They have done enought damage to UKRaine - with only half the force. I think it's time war should end.
From Afghan to Ukraine - endless wars have done so much damage. People want peace. NOW!

[yazher]

Russia is not fighting with powerful country where they have to show their muscles.
They have done enought damage to UKRaine - with only half the force. I think it's time war should end.
From Afghan to Ukraine - endless wars have done so much damage. People want peace. NOW!

Of course, we want peace but the leader of this nation is the key to stopping this nonsense war and all we can do is pray and hope for the leaders to consider doing peace talks rather than wasting ammo and their soldiers in this war. The problem here is, that there are lots of countries supporting Ukraine by sending weapons instead of doing anything they can to force the peace and make Ukraine a living place again for its people and migrants.

[bitgov]

Russia is not fighting with powerful country where they have to show their muscles.
They have done enought damage to UKRaine - with only half the force. I think it's time war should end.
From Afghan to Ukraine - endless wars have done so much damage. People want peace. NOW!

Of course, we want peace but the leader of this nation is the key to stopping this nonsense war and all we can do is pray and hope for the leaders to consider doing peace talks rather than wasting ammo and their soldiers in this war. The problem here is, that there are lots of countries supporting Ukraine by sending weapons instead of doing anything they can to force the peace and make Ukraine a living place again for its people and migrants.

Yes - they are sending support but actually they are accelerating war.
I wish if the warlords understand the fact that there so much damage already done to the must hurting world. Hope the things get better. Pakistan too have paid a hefty price of visiting Russia when they were planning to attack Ukraine. Such a mistake.

[DrBeer]

The Russia Ukraine war is very hard to analyse because we only get one sided information here. On TV we only see Russian losses, all Ukrainian casualties are being not disclosed. It makes it hard to get an objective picture from the war. What we do know is that Putin tried a blitzkrieg and overthrow the government in Kiev quickly. That didn't work because of some wrong Intel or it was just a high risk, high reward strategy. The Ukrainian army is bigger than the number of Russian troops in Ukraine, but Putin can use his forces much more concentrated than the Ukrainian. He is choosing which area to attack, while Ukraine needs to defend the whole country. The big issue for how many troops to be used in Ukraine is the logistic. Already with the current amount of troops Russia is having problems supplying all the front line battalions. It must be very frustrating to leave behind armor because of the lack of fuel. Now it's a war of attrition and Russia will need to access its vast supply of old weapons, while Ukraine is being supplied by Western countries.

You have a somewhat distorted view of the information. Although I partially agree, but with an explanation. What did Ukraine do right this time in terms of informational confrontation?
1. They blocked many information dumps of the Russian media, which poured 24x7 wild information nonsense aimed at developing depressive and decadent moods among Ukrainians.
2. They began to publish openly, through all channels, information about the losses of Russian terrorist troops, with photo and video materials. A huge number of real photos and video evidence.
3. Dosed submit information about our losses. But if you want - the data can be found.
As a result, truth and reality were able to block the lies of the Kremlin propaganda. I understand that not everyone likes it

Regarding the resources of Russia. Technical - tell me, what can you say about the situation, for example, with tank units? And the situation is such that now they are trying to restore and transfer the almost decommissioned tanks to parts? The losses are huge, the costs are huge, production cannot fully replace - sanctions + technological left for Russia .... Human resources "thinned" by almost 1/3 (killed + wounded), from the combat-ready composition before the war. There is no demobilization, but there are coffins in all regions.

[mm2543363580]

Regarding the resources of Russia. Technical - tell me, what can you say about the situation, for example, with tank units? And the situation is such that now they are trying to restore and transfer the almost decommissioned tanks to parts? The losses are huge, the costs are huge, production cannot fully replace - sanctions + technological left for Russia .... Human resources "thinned" by almost 1/3 (killed + wounded), from the combat-ready composition before the war. There is no demobilization, but there are coffins in all regions.

Let's say for a minute - enough damage is done. The warlords should take a break now.
The world has suffered so much during last 2 years. Inflation is uncontrollable now this war - this is affecting the whole world. May the powerful understands.

[DrBeer]

Russia is not fighting with powerful country where they have to show their muscles.
They have done enought damage to UKRaine - with only half the force. I think it's time war should end.
From Afghan to Ukraine - endless wars have done so much damage. People want peace. NOW!

Of course, we want peace but the leader of this nation is the key to stopping this nonsense war and all we can do is pray and hope for the leaders to consider doing peace talks rather than wasting ammo and their soldiers in this war. The problem here is, that there are lots of countries supporting Ukraine by sending weapons instead of doing anything they can to force the peace and make Ukraine a living place again for its people and migrants.

I recommend listening to the rhetoric of Russia's top leadership. You will be surprised, but they want to destroy not only Ukraine, but also the Baltic countries, Poland and others, whom they either considered "their territories" (according to an absolutely delusional, fictional "story"), or classify the country as "not loving Russia" . Therefore, the war should end only with the defeat of Russia, and its subsequent de-fascistization, de-militarization, its division into several independent and devoid of nuclear weapons states, possibly with temporary external control, as was the case with Nazi Germany. Only after that the whole world will breathe easy and live in peace!

PS I hope that this will end, and I give an interesting forecast - after the collapse of Russia, in about 1-2 years, most terrorist organizations will suddenly disappear or "dissolve". Why - think for yourself!

[Sayeds56]

Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ?

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries.  

What are the plans of Russia?
Why is this war? has Russia achieved what they wanted to achieve? If yes -then there is no need to put bombs on innocent civilians. The war is not the solution - it has to stop no matter what.

I strongly agree with you that war is not solution of any problem but further aggravates the situation. This war has already created economic problems all over the over the world, fuel $ prices are sky high, inflation is historically high and developing countries like Srilanka are defaulting and many more will fall in the same crisis if this war is not stopped. If Russia is not not using its full force or deadly weapons , it means Putin doesn't want massive killing of human in its neighborhood.

[be.open]

I strongly agree with you that war is not solution of any problem but further aggravates the situation. This war has already created economic problems all over the over the world, fuel $ prices are sky high, inflation is historically high and developing countries like Srilanka are defaulting and many more will fall in the same crisis if this war is not stopped. If Russia is not not using its full force or deadly weapons , it means Putin doesn't want massive killing of human in its neighborhood.

The reality is that armed conflicts regularly occur in the world. War means not being able to solve the problem through diplomacy, but that doesn't mean that war doesn't solve anything. As an extreme method, force pressure can be very effective. And in the context of the financial crisis provoked by the pandemic and extensive quantitative easing programs, war is a good method of solving economic problems. The policy of pacifism and non-resistance to evil in practice only leads to the prosperity of evil. I'm sorry when innocent people die and suffer, life is sometimes very unfair. But there are things that cannot be tolerated and there are things that are worth dying for - even if these things are not physically things.

[DrBeer]

I strongly agree with you that war is not solution of any problem but further aggravates the situation. This war has already created economic problems all over the over the world, fuel $ prices are sky high, inflation is historically high and developing countries like Srilanka are defaulting and many more will fall in the same crisis if this war is not stopped. If Russia is not not using its full force or deadly weapons , it means Putin doesn't want massive killing of human in its neighborhood.

The reality is that armed conflicts regularly occur in the world. War means not being able to solve the problem through diplomacy, but that doesn't mean that war doesn't solve anything. As an extreme method, force pressure can be very effective. And in the context of the financial crisis provoked by the pandemic and extensive quantitative easing programs, war is a good method of solving economic problems. The policy of pacifism and non-resistance to evil in practice only leads to the prosperity of evil. I'm sorry when innocent people die and suffer, life is sometimes very unfair. But there are things that cannot be tolerated and there are things that are worth dying for - even if these things are not physically things.

I apologize for interfering in your dialogue, I will clarify a little. I agree that WAR is a consequence of the failure of diplomatic efforts, negotiations. War ... This is when the army fights against the army, with the aim of either making some decisions, or changing power by force / military means, or resolving territorial disputes. But our situation is different. This is an attempt to DESTROY the country, people, culture. Massacres, and sadistic ones, are not war. This is fascism and terrorism. Deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure is fascism and terrorism. The systematic, purposeful, total destruction of civilian cities is fascism and terrorism. The purposeful destruction of a nation, its culture, history, language is genocide, fascism and terrorism. According to your logic, it turns out that - the mass, purposeful, murder of Jews by Nazi Germany, is it just "not agreed"? No, this is called genocide and fascism! In our reality, genocide as a consequence of terrorism and rashism. Let's be honest about the situation!

[be.open]

I apologize for interfering in your dialogue, I will clarify a little. I agree that WAR is a consequence of the failure of diplomatic efforts, negotiations. War ... This is when the army fights against the army, with the aim of either making some decisions, or changing power by force / military means, or resolving territorial disputes. But our situation is different. This is an attempt to DESTROY the country, people, culture. Massacres, and sadistic ones, are not war. This is fascism and terrorism. Deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure is fascism and terrorism. The systematic, purposeful, total destruction of civilian cities is fascism and terrorism. The purposeful destruction of a nation, its culture, history, language is genocide, fascism and terrorism. According to your logic, it turns out that - the mass, purposeful, murder of Jews by Nazi Germany, is it just "not agreed"? No, this is called genocide and fascism! In our reality, genocide as a consequence of terrorism and rashism. Let's be honest about the situation!

I would rather agree to call Kyiv's policy towards the Russian-speaking population of Donbass a genocide than Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Calls to be honest should come from an honest person, and your brain is clouded by propaganda and it seems you perceive the projections of your internal complexes as reality. The easiest way is to shift from a sick head to a healthy one, but this will not cure a sick head. The operation in Ukraine will continue until Russia fully achieves its goals, be patient.