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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

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Update because the discussion continues to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419774.msg61393679#msg61393679

This kind of scene is unlikely to happen like someone going all in on just one number. Also, if this happened in real life, I think he (Kevin Hart) will still win the $350,000 as he is not the one who moved those chips or bet and why would the betting be closed after the spin, wouldn't it have been closed when the wheel is already spinning?

I wanted to say why this thread before, but that video convinced me, though it is just a movie.

It is gambling, it can happen real life, but the chance that it would happen is very slim. But we should always advice that betting big comes with big risks.

I would feel like killing the friend, but I do not have option than to forget about it. I will also think he has good mind for me as he did not want me to risk big in a way it can affect me.

This also depends on how rich someone is. If that 10k is just a chicken change to the bettor and having millions of dollars in account and wealthy, he will not think much about it, but in cases that the person is just looking for luck and in a way the money will change his life completely for good, he will feel like killing his friend.

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.

I would be mad and probably depressed for one month and I would not talk to that friend for a while, until I feel better. However, it is unlikely this would ever happen in real life.


While you are right and it is not about losing money but rather "not winning", that would not stop people to get mad or depressed at the fact of the missed opportunity.
It is similar to the situation of those who sold their Bitcoins when they were worth 1000$ and regretted doing it later, because they could have been gotten set for life instead.

By the way, I just searched about roulette etiquette on internet and you are right, no one should touch other's chips, also people is supposed to avoid putting drinks over the felt, etc.

I choose friends and I accept the fact, at the same time I choose a safe round of roulette, maybe that's better for me, than taking a high risk $350,000, maybe i don't do anything but accept that's my sustenance for today in roulette betting.

What if the opposite 'does not' happen, illusion in gambling is one of the factors of losing, high risk gambling, today you get $ 10k that's the limit of your ability, $ 350,000 could boomerang for you, for that accept the victory, will not blame each other, your friend had hockey that day, not you.

Isn't that the point? What are you going to do? Prosecute them, leave them to get thrown out and stay on, or just what most would do and do nothing?

If it's a shared pool of funds he was probably right to move them onto a less risky bet though.

I think there's a certain amount of spins the ball can  do before you have to leave your chips where they are too (set specific to each table and there's probably a few that might not allow you to change at all once the ball starts rolling - that table seemed quite fast).

Highly unlikely that this can happen in real life, no one are allowed to move their bets when it has already been placed whether it's the bettor or his friend. The bet can happen if that how rich you are and you just casually bet $10,000 on a single number however in this case, he is not. Also, no one can bet anymore once the wheel is already spinning not when it's about to stop.

If this scenario happens on real life, his friend will be kicked out from the casino or probably the whole bet he made will be forfeited.

You're absolutely correct.

I don't have to do anything. Maybe tell the manager to look at the recording.
The dealer should have been not letting anyone touch the chips, so it's all on him.

Usually, when this type of thing happens, you would go with the side of the friend because you wouldn’t want to see them lose a lot or probably a precise amount. I’m just betting because you can do a lot with that kind of money that he bet. It’s Heartbreaking if you see him lose in that bet. It just so happens that he won, and he is furious about it, but if it is the other way around, it will probably be thanking the friend for what he did.

In this case, Kevin Hart initiate that he is done betting after placing all his chips on black 15 that is why the dealer spin the roulette already since he is the only one playing but since the dealer sense that there is a conflict on the bettor side. He later on announced the no more bet line to avoid further changing of bets and to proceed on the game. The chips place on the table is the legitimate bet even though the original didn't move it and also the one who moves it is his companion and not a stranger.

OP knows this is unlikely to happen in the real world, you can see here where he says it:

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Well, assuming that happened, I would be very angry with my friend and I would also start to be suspicious of him if he didn't do it on purpose to harm me or if he did it as an accident and if I took him to the casino again I would definitely tell him for him to go play at another casino table and I would be at my casino table, that way I would prevent the same thing from happening again.

coming up with a number like the age where he lose my virginity at 15 is something worth doing, i guess nothing is wrong in trying it on roulette or dice.   :D

i kept replaying it and no matter how serious should i be on what to do, is just not working. i'd just do what kevin did, just hysterical about $350.000.

If it didn't happen that he won this can go as far as causing some problem for the both pals when the bettor will think the friend should think he would be crazy betting with that huge amount and couldn't change the bet. He may say he was high while doing the betting that he should know. What I'm saying is just that he is angry because it happen to be a win but losing he could have realized what help got from the friend.

Assuming that thing happened, I will be disappointed, maybe I'll just shrug my shoulder and let it go.  It is not worth harming a friend because of an intentional mistake.  Besides just think of the case if that move of our friend gives us a win.  So I decided to let it go and learn my lesson from that incident ... "never bring a friend when you are gambling". LOL.

Anyway, I think a friend won't dare to touch our bet in real life.  If ever, they have any other idea, they will suggest it and it is up to us whether to accept it or not.

Well as frustrating as it sounds, thats not losing $350 000 USD. Thats missing out on the opportunity on winning 350k. Which is nowhere as bad as losing 350k, if you were to ask me. Also as much as I enjoy Kevin Harts comedy, I would not quote him on his realism. Obviously this is a very unrealistic scenario because as some posters have already mentioned, nobody can take your chips. They do not allow that. And the bet was already locked in as soon as the wheel started spinning (although it may have been locked in earlier but I am not familiar with the technicalities).

Obviously they make movie gambling unrealistic to make it seem more attractive and/or exciting to the viewer. ::)

I think that wouldn't be allowed as far as I know. I mean the reality is that you wouldn't be allowed to touch it when it's still going on, it's too late to retract the bet, also it would be not allowed to let someone else other than the person who wagered to touch it either. It just doesn't feel like something that would be real, it's just a movie scene. If you wager, you wager, and end of the story.

However, if any of my friends try to persuade me away from gambling then I will always thank them, gambling is a risky business and anyone who tries to stop someone else from gambling their money away is doing something good in their heart, with the good result or bad result doesn't matter the intention was good and that's what matters.

Hahaha! :D

I would feel mad over my friend, just like the actor in the movie. But that is not something that is going to happen for real. Let's say you placed a bet on a casino and your friend attempted to remove or change it. The croupier wouldn't allow him to do this, because he would be interfering in someone's else bets, what isn't allowed. Moreover, we would notice if someone touched our tokens in a casino table. Anyway, the scene was nicely built and was really funny. It's interesting to imagine absurd situations like that happening in reality.

I will also definitely punch him in the face until he bleeds because he's been blocking me from winning so much money. But his intentions were good not to let me use so much money to try my luck. Well, it's nice to see so many comrades trying to look after me and maybe I shouldn't be mad at him. I've also got to win some money to celebrate with my friends, even though it's a glass of beer ;D

Maybe it also happens in real life and some people have experienced it. They are very lucky to have friends who are very caring and try to constantly remind them not to place bets and with too much money.

You cant really say or make out conclusions on what you should gonna do on the time of that kind of intervention which it can ha potentially make you 350k dollars which is something that amount you cant

able to earn on your lifetime which it cant really be that avoided for you not to punch him on the face for such intervention which its none of his business on how you would make a bet.

Yes, its good to know and gives a good feeling that someone do really cares for you on having that safer bet.But the main question is, on that how you
you would consider a safe bet?

It would be more interesting to see what you would do if your friend does that move and YOUR 10,000 USD win 350,000 USD thanks to him. In fact, he would have saved you from losing 10,000 USD. What would you do?


@NeuroticFish I did indeed have such a situation, but it was only for 50 bucks with my brother in Las Vegas on a color. I paid him 100, but those 100 were worth his mental breakdown for that moment and we were making fun and were drunk. I assume the Croupier didn't care because it was just some minor amount.

Edit: I suppose if it ended up in a win against the casino's bank the groupier might have invalidated that round for us (and especially for the amount OP mentioned).

Good knee-slapper scene, would be particularly nasty if it happens in real life. I know that friend of his did the switch with good intentions but I am always going to be in agency of whatever bet I place my money on. The situation could've gotten worse in real life where the friend's actions could've lead to a loss. This is why you never, ever influence or coax a friend into doing "what is right" in the middle of a sticky situation like this. It will almost only lead to you calling it quits or something even worse. 

we all should understand that everything happens for a reason, nothing happens by chance..
A thing like this have a very very slim understand of happening but if it did happen to me, at first, I did be furious, angry at my friend and full of regret, but I will try to look at the situation from the other angle, just as it was possible to win $350k with a bet of $10k, it is also possible that i could have lost the $10k too but this friend helped to save it for me.

I wouldn't kill him, or stop being friends with him, I believe he was only trying to look out for me, $10k is a lot of money to loose and sometimes, we don't get to know what we are about to loose until that thing is gone, so personally for me, I would just get over it and move on, there will always be another opportunity.  

It's a seriously dumb hypothetical because the simple odds describe that you have less than at 3% chance of winning such a bet. Unless you are seriously rich already, in which case you are just in the game for frivolous fun and don't care what happens, then you are unlikely to be wasting such sums without good reason. Nobody can predict what will happen next, it's like trying to pick the color of the next car to come around the corner. If you are so intent on throwing away your money on such a bet, then you should have the courage to pick it yourself and not "blame" it on somebody else when it inevitably does not come through. Only someone who didn't understand basic odds would think in such a silly way.

I must be fuming , but what could i do? It is what it is ... you cannot take the time back and just moving on without have too much debate as it's mean nothing but wasting time , crazy just to think that way .. you are expecting to bagged hundreds thousands dollar but changed to a few bucks.

Im pretty sure anybody must be super fuming on that.

I will really hate him and go into a rage, he did not respect me for doing that,  that is once in a lifetime and your friend just blew it, this is why you don't tag your friends when you're betting in a casino, it's a life-changing win and you and your friend who will not be your friend anymore will haunt that memory for the rest of your life and its hard to make up with your friend after what happened, but maybe time can erase the memory.

It depends. What if the other way around happened? Anyways, it's really hard to assume what will be the exact thing that might happen because I don't see it happening in real life. Our accompanied friend or someone, while we are in a casino, is not that dumb to just moves chips while the spin is currently in motion where in fact, it's not even allowed to do some actions while in that phase. That was embarrassing.

Because of that movie, OP gives us a problem to think about.  :D

I'd probably kick myself for being persuaded by other people on my betting decision. It should have been clear to me that it's my money and it's whatever I want to do with it, be it on a losing or a winning position. Of course some blames will be directed to this friend but I don't think it will natter now that the potential win is lost. I'd rather just keep to myself that my bets should not be affected or influenced by anyone no matter how close we are.

Besides, it's still a win anyway

Let's assume for argument sake.

In any case though, this bet could be voided by the dealer because it was touch by someone other than the bettor himself. He could have called it before calling "no bets". Ok, if the dealer allows it, obviously, he has to pay only $35k. Now the problems arises between these friends, I haven't seen the movie, but it real life, this could be trouble though and maybe some physical altercations between them. For me of course, going to be very difficult as I supposed to win $350k and probably give everyone a big tip, but I have to think about it and maybe I will forgive my friend after sometime. It's just money anyways, for sure if you can bet $10k, probably you can make more money in the future, just saying. But the friendship can't be replace.

In this movie, the intention of the friend is good and just want to save his friend from making a mistake or losing a lot of money. Which is the right thing to do for a friend if you know your friend is doing bad decisions. But the thing is they should have won a lot but due to his action they missed it.

Anyway, if that was me, I should just forgive my friend for messing my bet. It is just money; you can earn or win it some other time. But a friend, especially a true friend, is a lifetime companion. I can never exchange that to money. I will feel bad at first but that would pass later on.


Right. The game is pure luck, and the opposite of the result could easily happen. The friend is concern about you and you should give value to that.

Just got done watching that video. Kind of surprised I haven't seen this movie yet.  I like a few of those actors in this scene, so I will have to check it out! That said, I'm not sure there's really anything I would do other than be pissed off at my friend for quite a long time.  If I want to be stupid with my money, then it's really up to me to be stupid with it, so I'm the one who deserves the consquences whether it turns out well or not.

Nothing can be done, it is his fate. In simple, he's not that lucky to win the big money. If not somehow he could've won that. When it comes to gambling, trading, investment, it is our money and we need to make the decision. Letting friend to make the decision shows how close they were. It is upto them and in such situation I'll have small unhappy feeling which will pass over time.

Actions are restricted once the spin is now in the action.

And if some sort of movements were done while spinning and chips got moved for whatever reason, the supposed first number that is chosen is the original number and that won't be changed.

The movie shared is a comedy that's why stories like that occur but it can't happen in real life.

I thought it was a real life experience because of the title.

Anyways, if ever it would happen to me in real life, I would definitely be freakin mad on my friend for crossing the line. Respect matters a lot to me. Even if you have good intention in doing something, you should always ask consent before actually doing it especially if it concerns other people's lives. You should stop being so nosy and too imposing because it is such a rude attitude. If you want your friend to be on the right path and make sensible decisions, then you could talk to them and not control them.

The act of manipulation is such a bad thing. If they want it, then let them get it for themselves. Ask them if they want to hear your opinion about their decision. If they said they do, give them your insights. Otherwise, shut your mouth if you'll just spit an unsolicited opinion. If you already educated them and nothing still happens, then it's now up to them. Let them handle the consequences of their actions. After all, you shouldn't ,meddle in someone else's life issues. I just don't think it's appropriate to insist to be involved.

I think at least everyone will agree they will become very rage to their friend since their friend ruined it.

Some people might will kill him since they think money is more important than friend, it's nothing new someone might back stabbed you when it's about money.

This is why I never want to gamble with a friend that I think will make me in trouble, a selfish person will let his emotion to do what he want and he wouldn't care with other people opinion/choice.

Why did you allow him to move it then? But if it is really his fault(perhaps you are against his/her decision but he/dhe insisted still) then he/she owe you $10k not $350 because that is the amount you've even if it could have possibly won. You friend will only owe you $350k if that is the amount of the bet he intervened. That's that simple, you cannot put value into an amount especially with money. If I would be on your shoe I won't be mad if he will give back my money as is. But ofcourse I'd regret what happened and might feel quite frustrated. I also had a saying that "if ut is for you, then that'd for you". What if the other eay around happened right? would you still be mad?

Another scenario: His/her bet won. How much would you ask him? Will it be $10k only? The answer would also be the point of OP's question.

lol, it's interesting that we also need someone to remind us when playing gambling, in fact we won't always win at gambling games I won't blame my friends for that

basically maybe I can win a lot of money from my bet but if on the contrary what if I lose maybe I will also blame myself especially the people around me, so maybe a friend has saved me from the mess even though I didn't win much money, I will assume it's not my lucky day

One of my best friends showed his wife how he plays "Crash" on Stake.com... and she thought it was "virtual" monopoly money, so she had a try.... she bet $1000 and when it reached 6x ....she showed her husband, he freaked out... grabbed the phone and pressed "cashout" on 17x .....giving him a win of more than $16 000!

I think he would have been pissed off, if it was the other way around... if she lost a few $1000 bets in a row. I am glad for them, because they needed that financial boost.  ;D ;D ;D

We never know if we have a chance to make 350k dollars and that's what we try but apparently, our friends always warn us not to bet more than we can. They are good friends who always remind us not to gamble with a lot of money. And even if we didn't win a lot of money, at least we did and I think that's enough for us to be able to hold back the anger to punch him in the face because it could later result in a fight between us and the end, we will lose good friends.

I think our friends have given us a safe bet and I think that's what we can do instead of risking by betting a lot of money that we don't know what the outcome will be. We can win or we can lose, that's all. That depends on what you choose.

I don't think this has high chances of happening in real life,sometime when I have won big in the slot machines which I play consistently the maximum I do is to hit with a big bet like 10 to 20 dollar per spin the most and only a couple of times because I know with this kind of bet you get your balance to 0 in just a couple of minutes at best.

For roulette though I have seen that amount to go all in only in movies,I don't know what would I do if a friend tried to get all in,I would most probably stop him right away.I have been in offline casinos a couple of times and I have seen roulette tables but not people going all in with such a big amount.

Nothing because it's not something that can be fixed or repeated if it really happened in my life, maybe I will be a little disappointed that it doesn't win big scores, but what if the situation is just the opposite, it turns out that the friend saved us from losing money.

Funny movie clip and from this trailer it can be seen that this can only happen if you play at a land base casino, whereas if you play at an online casino it means you are doing it with your friends and there must be something where you leave your PC or Laptop so your friends can change the bet.
But the question is, does anyone gambling in online casino together with friends?, because surely many play alone at home without inviting friends or closest people

One of the rules of having fun while gambling is to use low amount of money, $10000 is too much, using just very tiny amount of money is the best. I too do not see anything done wrong at all. In reality, he will likely lose that money, if the money is lost, it will result to regret. I see a friend like that to be a good friend, I can never fight with him. But if I actually nwọn that money, it will really be a pain in the ass for me.

That is not an online casino but a physical casino, people gamble with friends inside physical casinos very well. I gamble with my friends at my house if they come greet me, at there house also using online casinos.

But likely a bet placed on online casinos can not be reversed without any consequences like money deduction in a way his friend may not have changed the money from big to small amount, not even possible when the bet is going on.

Funny to discuss this situation, when this is just a movie and such situation probably would never happen in real life. First - is it even allowed for other person to take or touch other gamblers money? Second - when Kevin Hart placed a bet and the dealer span that ball, the bet is already made and can not be undone. Even if Kevins Hart friend took all the chips and leave only one, technically the bet is already done. Third - when you make such a bet, why close eyes and not follow the situation around? Kevin could only blame himself for being such irresponsible with money.

I believe that nobody is supposed to touch your chips and change your bets on your behalf. If such thing happens, the bet should be revoked.
Anyway, If I would have lost (or failed to win) a big amount because of a friend I would be really pissed, but on the other hand, you never know when luck comes and when it goes. I don't play roulette. It's not my favorite gambling game. Betting 10K on one number in a game of roulette is something only a rich gambling addict would do. ;D

I absolutely agree with you. There are some very serious inconsistencies in this movie that violate the rules of the game. It seems to me that if it were real, the croupier would have stopped the game.

No matter how many times I have tried to play roulette, not once has the number I bet come up, so I only bet on red or black.

First, I'm glad that it did not happen in real life, if it did, it would cause a lot of psychological trauma to both parties involved (player and friend). However, if I was the one, it would take time before I get over it, but this should still not be a basis for severing a friendship. Money will go, but people will remain, especially if he is a long-time friend that is so dependable.

It would be easy for me to let go because it's not the situation where I already have the money and he made me lose it. It's just the situation of making me miss it.

The title of this topic is very interesting, in fact I would blame him if it happened with real money. All decisions are in his hands. So blaming that person is not a good solution. If he had done that then remember the blame lies with him. Why? Since he is the one who does, open the adviser who carries out the action.
Unless a friend he changes without asking permission. Then he deserves to hold him accountable. So whatever it is do as he sees fit, so whatever risks are going to happen he'll accept it because everything he does comes from within him.

Well, before watching the video I already knew that this could not be a real situation. I don't know what it will be like in Las Vegas or wherever the movie takes place, but I doubt very much that a friend would have the posture to legally take my money and put it aside. Depending on how much of a friend he was, you could still sue him for the unearned amount (if it was a close friend, I really wouldn't do that).

But well, it is clear that this is an imaginary situation, which could happen, yes, but it is extremely unlikely.

WTF you did man? Will be the words coming out of my mouth but yeah that's gambling and you can't blame anyone. But this example remind us something if we are betting then we need to make the final decision so we can't blame anyone or have to praise anyone else in case of losing or winning respectively.

Really hard to imagine such a thing happening in reality. Betting 10k USD on a single number is a bit insane, if one of my friends would try to do such a thing I would try to stop him. The risk is way too big and who knows if he is thinking clearly. When a friend would tell me about his plan, or I see him with large sums of money walking towards the roulette table I would say anything to convince him to be cautious with his money. But once the money is in the table I don't think I would Touch it and move it to a different bet. Is that even allowed? Like if I was in that position and placed my bet, can't I just say I didn't change the bet and I want my winnings? How does the dealer know if my friend is allowed to place a different bet for me or not? In the end the casino could ask the 10k from my friend, but would have to pay me 350,000 USD. With these kinds of sums of money friendship stops. If the money was lost I would feel bad every time I see my friend, how do you come back from it?

It will become one of those near win situation that we will talk about for a while as friends. I will not be angry with my friend because his action has only shows that he wanted what was safe for me, perhaps he played it too safe this time, or the situation was not a situation were I required him to play it safe for me. I also have not lost any money (the $350,000 I would have won) because I never had it, I rather did not win what I was supposed to win, but an amount lesser.

Such an incident would never happen, to be honest if it happened, I would be upset and I will always remember it for a joke. Being in that guy's position maybe I'll laugh, let's say didn't win that much money because of a friend's fault he feel definitely embarrassed and uncomfortable to me, rather than we are far from friend better more we are closer together. Although $350K is not a small amount of money. :D

yes because this is just a joke thread, so it wouldn't be possible in the real world, even though it happened too I don't think there's any need to blame friends for their carelessness or mistakes, so just enjoy life without having to think about serious problems because of losing $350k only a mistake I think maybe we can understand even though the mistake will continue to be carried away by dreams  ;D

Luckily that doesn't happen in the real world. imagine if that happens, the money that should be won is not a small amount of money. even if that happened, apart from failing to get that win, they were faced with another gamble that put the relationship between their friendship at stake. and for sure, there will be chaos in the casino which in the end they will be expelled by security.

However, in land-based casinos, as far as I'm concerned. if the roulette game has been played, then the coins that were originally bet on one of the numbers that have been selected "in this case, number 15 black" cannot be taken or transferred to another option, as well as roulette games at online casinos.

So, yes, this only happens in a movie.

Ah, so it's only fictional? I really thought that it was real but I think the same scenario can happen for real especially if you are a kind of friend which is scared. There's always one friend who are like that where they will discourage their other friends to do risky things.

It can be regretful at first thought but if we think again, it can also be beneficial because what if the bet didn't turned out well? Our friend should thank us for this because we save them. For now, what important is that the bet still ended up with a win and it is better than nothing. Blaming should be stopped now as it's not beneficial and will only end up for a broken relationship.

If I were that person, then I would have raged and probably overthink about it. I would also daydream about the things that I could have probably bought with that money but at the end of the day, everything is already decided. It is also impossible to claim and demand $350,000 from your friend; but I would most likely cut-off my connection with him if that were the case.

Remember that though the intention of my friend is good, it does not change the fact that he lacked the authority to change my decision. Regardless of either I win or lose, the risk is borne by myself and not my friend.

At first glance of the title thread, I thought, it is indeed actual situation.
However, if it will happen in reality, it will be like one in a million chance that it will happen.
But if you are in that situation, you need to look at the bigger picture.
If he is indeed your true friend, it is only the money that you will lose in this game, though a huge one.
But your friendship will still remain in a lifetime. He maybe made a mistake at the moment, but it should not dictate the end of relationship to him.

It does totally depend on you whether you do make yourself get influenced by others suggestions and recommendations but since he's your best friend then you would really be having those second thoughts which you might considering on following but its true that if things turns out to be negative then you do have someone to be blamed unless if you do bet on your own then you could simply
move on or you would just be blaming yourself but it is better rather than pointing finger on others and the worst where relationship with someone could really be also at risk.
This is why it would be much preferable that you do bet on your own and dont get been influenced.

You are right, it's all just luck but if we change his condition then his friend has saved him from gambling losses, so there is nothing to blame because in gambling even though we feel regret but actually you are not lucky at that time. If it's your friend then you don't have to blame him because everything about money can still be found from other jobs but repairing friendship will be very difficult if we have damaged it because only friends will help when we are in the worst condition.

Those people defy the rules of roulette because that's for comedy purposes.

In most cases, the chosen numbers are locked once the spin is now in motion. Even if there's a forced attempt to move those chips, either just honors the first pick or the bet of that specific gambler on that round will be totally voided.

Maybe we can discuss another gambling-movie-related scene that can somehow happen in actual for real.

I don't really know the possiblity of this happening but if it could happens then it will be rare. Gambling can be very different from the way we look at it on a daily basis. What you saw was just a film and the tendencies of happening I'm real life may be impossible or slim. Well this is gambling world and somethings might look so unreal but still have the chances. I don't play roulette and I don't know things about how it works but I am certain that things works in a different ways.

Believe me, nothing like that will happened in real life. It's just a movie where every rare case can happen. In a casino, you can nowhere see some group of friends having a funny moment like that. That's why even if we put it that way that it's real, we can't think of something realistic scene that is close to happening.

Just take that story with a grain of salt and enjoy that movie shared by OP. :)

If that happens to me, I don't mind missing out on the $350k winnings as long as that friend of mine pays for the $10k if it ends up losing since he shouldn't have changed that bet knowing it's not his money. It would've been understandable if it was just a suggestion and I made the decision to switch at the last second. Also, I doubt you can easily let someone have a free bet with your own money unless that $10k is like a pocket change to you.

Although he could blame his friend for taking the $10,000 for another bet, the decision was still really his. It was his money and his friend cannot insist on another bet if he made it clear that it was his money and therefore it was also his decision to make where the money is bet.

This is very unfortunate if this happens in real life. I guess wouldn't be talking to my friend for days or weeks or even months. This is also the reason why I would rather not suggest too much in gambling. I might take the blame in the end.

For the sake of answering OP, I'd probably be malding really. I mean he had good intentions, yes, but the result was a win in the end, so really it was his fault. The answer can be pretty skewed imo since it's a "win", if it was a "loss" then we'd probably be thanking the friend instead.

In reality, though I don't think you're allowed to change bets when the roulette has basically started as others have said, so the scenario isn't really going to happen. Even if someone did change the bet, pretty sure the dealer will still honor the original one since, well, another person changed it midway which is not allowed in the first place. 

Agree the scene was just fiction, they break tons of rules on that scene, in real life that would be impossible to see because if a user place a bet other user can't remove the chips, even if he is a friend. Just can't happen.

But let's suppose it's possible and it happen to me, i would blame the casino fro letting other user take my chips and fight for the full payment of my original bet. And about the friend i would call can uber and send him to his home.

This is called betrayal if you are betting with your own money your friends do not have the right to replace your bet, I can only advise my friend to not proceed but physically manipulating the bet is something I will not do, because it might backfire, he is the one who put the bet so he should be the one to replace it, I don't know if the video you show me happens in real life there's the possibility that it has but not documented, If this happen to me I will unfriend the guy he does not deserve to be in my circle of friends. 

I also think so because that much money is used as an unwise bet. After all, we are taking such a big risk too. There is no guarantee we can win a very large amount of money. That's why if we get a warning from our friends about not betting too much, we might as well comply. After all, it's also for our own good and we don't need to lose a lot of money even though there will be potential for luck to come our way.

If it is happening to me, I wont let anyone take my bet and move it to other bet. Simple, it is my own money not his/her and he has no right to move my bet unless he is responsible for what he is doing. Responsible here means that the he is ready to pay me if my bet is a winning bet but he moved it that make it a lose bet or win less than what I should win.

This is why we shouldn't bet while our friends watching us because they could disturb us and ruin our play since somehow they will give their own opinion which is doesn't meet to our game plan towards the games we are playing. Don't want to get dictated since my money my rules so if this case happen and I wasted a lot of money because of his bad interference well I will just dump him and find another friend which doesn't bother me when I am in focus doing something.

I disagree though, I'm not seeing this happening in real life, I usually play with my friends in roulette and this doesn't happen because we know that we can't touch each other bet unless we really tell him to do that.

In this case this is for the movie itself and it just so happen that this became a discussion here but many of us know that again, this is not going to happen, maybe there are few cases in real life, but I guess friendship will still take over here.

That's hilarious. Kevin Hart, authentic comedian.
I might react the same as Kevin Hart did. Maybe worst. I felt it, I will bet for it, so all my friend should do is believe in my forecast.

It made me miss the feeling of being in a physical casino although not that type of casino, just poker tables with many players chatting on the sides and waiting to get a chair.
That's the best part of it, making friends who understand you and your hobbies.

No not that because this just happened or is video because sometimes the imput of a friend can be helpful to the game that we want to play. Having our friends stay around can be good too when we doing wrong decision to selecting the type of game, odd or betting options to play. This incident that occurred isn't only to the negative but can be to the positive also.

Betrayal ? Kevin Hart should have set limits then on what his friends can do or can not do. I think that this friend, that took money from the bet is more loyal than others. As he showed that he cared about his friend, showed that he cared about his friends future. While others stood there like "ok let him make a bet, if he lose, it is ok, if he wins, it is ok". In fact, this is just money, they can be earned. Not everything should be measured with money. What if he did not win? Other friends will be same bunch of people around, but that friend who took the bet will be his saver.

Hilarious scene right there and something that will not happen in real life unless in the movies  :P ! But this being a game of chance I think the friend made the right call..imagine if Kevin's 15 Black didn't land ??? That would have been a - 15k on his bank account and he would have blamed his buddies for not stopping him from that bad decision but what I missed from this scene is did the safer bet land or lost?

Totally agree with you! But what's not unusual is that most of us do pick numbers based on past events or special dates but winning based on this its a probable chance tbh.

We have that one friend who decides for you and regrets it for the rest of his life.  ;D That's a funny clip though.
What would I do if a friend of mine did it to me? That's actually a difficult question unless you are in the exact situation as what is shared.
I will get mad, that's first, for sure. Maybe next to it is the question of, why? (with an angry tone)
But I doubt there's a good answer for that, he will be silent for most of the hysterical shit that you will say.

Having friends who accompany us to play is not a problem because we can ask them for advice and although the final decision is still ours, we can use their advice as our consideration.
And as good friends, they will always remind us to be careful in placing bets in every spin because they don't want to see us suffer a big loss.
And they will also definitely ask us to stop if we have lost or gained a lot of money from gambling.
A good friend doesn't want to see his friend lose a lot of money in gambling and because of that, they will pay attention to us.

I laughed while watching the clip but still took a lesson from it. We will always have friends who want to protect us from too much gambling. They're the ones who knows us very well that they tend to take control when they could feel that we aren't doing right. It's just so happen that on the video, the lucky guy's day was ruined because of his friend's control. If I were that bettor, I will surely get mad and will be filled with regrets for a long time but I will still forgive my friend but I won't go along with him to a casino.

Yes, there could never be a good answer to this but getting mad is reasonable. I will be hysterical at the chance to have $350,000 but slips away. I will drink a whole bottle of brandy just to forget the day.

I was expecting some mad answers in the thread actually but maybe it can only happen when it literally happens to you in a gambling den. You may really have a big fight.

what I would do would depend on how it happened. I mean, if I agreed with my friend to place it on a "safer bet" then I'd blame myself but I'd also blame him and be pissed at him, but If my friend suddenly moved my bet to a much "safer bet" at the last second, then I'd extremely pissed at him.

Eventhough Op said this was just an drama, it can still happen in real life. If that type of thing has not happened before but was only acted, nothing says it can not still happen in future. And you are correct about what you said when it comes to our reactions to winning and losing money in betting. If we stay out or bet small and the bet loses, we are happy. But if we did not play a bet and it wins, we feel sad. This is to show you that man always loves winning but forgetting that when you win, someone loses.

Why would you blame your friend when you also agree on it at the first place? And what if he will put the blame back at you? He have the right to do it. The second thing that you said will also depend. We don't know what if your friend is only concern at you and he doesn't want you to lose big?

But, a friend can also lie and will make that as an alibi while his true intention is to mess with you. He doesn't want you to win big. I don't know if there is a way to prove this but maybe a lie detector test will do? But before we end up there, we need to see our results first. All this will only happen if we win but if we lose then we will not take it seriously.

No one would really care if someone losses on the other side as long they do really able to win the that what matter most.They dont really care as long they do won but on the time you would really be the one who losses

then it would really be basically be showing that kind of common reaction.In the situation where op had been saying about being altered on the way or on the time you do make bets and suddenly it won
and you have seen that it could give out that huge winning amount the pretty sure you would really get angry.

Relationships could really be make out to be affected whenever we do talk about huge sums of money.People could really change with that.

Yes. No one is allowed to do that unless you let him do it. Otherwise, you are not losing unintentionally, since you are really bound to lose because of wrong bet. However, not all we see in movies that show about gambling is close to reality. Some are just wild imaginations that are hard to happen in reality. If you’re not a gambler, you will really believe on it, but if you are a pro in gambling, you will know it’s impossible to happen.

Is it allowed for anyone to touch your bet without you giving him the consent?
Assuming you give him the consent and you agree with his idea, then probably you can’t blame him on that and losing the opportunity to win big should not be the reason of losing that friend, you still have to assess the situation. This might be a heart broken situation, but that’s how gambling works we can’t take every opportunity to win because we tend to change our emotion from time to time.

There are always rules in certain casinos and if you are going against the rules, not only you will be kicked out but probably banned in that casino. But this scenario is impossible to happen in real life since we know once you put that chip, other people are not allowed to moved it. So this is very unlikely to happen in gambling casinos, players are more professional than we expected them to be.

It happens somewhere in real life and if that happens to me, I'll have that heavy heart to my friend. But I'll only have that feeling if it's my money that he has moved and chose to bet the others.

Well, if it's not my money and he has moved it then I'll just let it go since it's not mined. But things will change if it's my money that's being moved and that's what I'm gonna have with that replaced bet.

Yes, the bet is definitely closed when the wheel starts to spin so there are no moving out of chips, otherwise your bet will be forfeited. But if you are stupid enough in real life, you will do what is impossible and what is against the rules. And you will be moved out in the casino eventually. But since this is very unlikely to turn into reality, no one will certainly do things like this unless if you are not aware of the game and don’t know how to play it either.

How safe was the latter bet? Did he win? How much did it amount to? Those are things that'll make me calm down my temper, otherwise I'll just act weird like the way Kevin did ....lol . Gaming in roulette ain't no easy-peasy so if I'd have that chance to win, then I shouldn't be denied of that... that's just a formulated series cus in real life, when the game is stacked, the funds are retracted right?? ....I won't even go with someone like that.
This made me laugh my godammmm ass out.!!! Kevin's made a great fun in that content and that's just something that wouldn't hesitate to happen in real life.

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I will probably do the same thing that he did when he got angry with his friend because he didn't follow what I told him to bet the 10K$, although he had good intentions for me. After all, even if I lost at least I still have a lot of money to spare. That's why it hit, of course, if I was the friend who changed his bet amount, I would feel guilty that instead of being rich, he became a stone because of me.

But anyway, everything has a reason, whether it's good or bad, whether it's in our favor or not, all of that God allowed to happen to us for a good reason, in the end, it's just that simple for me, although It's really hard to accept at first.

Moreover, this has never happened in reality, otherwise it would have appeared in the gambling news and newspapers, like other news we have seen lately.

If it had happened, it is understandable that the protagonist would feel like killing his friend, and that he did it for his own good, but I don't think it's worth getting too excited about a plot of a film.


So what you say it's better for my argument: not only is it extremely unlikely that such a thing would happen in reality, but it would be impossible according to the rules, so let's not give it any more thought.

The bet must have been closed and his friend had replaced the chips so when the result came out, he couldn't get a big win. But he was also lucky because he could win some money and we do not know if that happened in real life, we would break the rules or if it is still allowed. But since it's a video, it looks like it's allowed. Hopefully, it doesn't happen in real life because it can become a fight between friends because they have changed chips without the friend who placed the bet knowing.

If this would happen in real and reputed casino, the security guards would move that friend away from the casino, as he has touched other persons chips/money. Once bet is done, only the dealer is allowed to touch money. I even think that this round would be stopped and the dealer will restart the roulette. But, I see no big reason for Kevin Hart to be angry, in the end, he still won and have a positive balance.

This could happen in real life but if this happen to me I will be in total rage I will be like Kevin Hart uncontrollable and ready to kill  :D but this is no big joke that $350k is enough to retire me and live like a king here in our country, of course this is a movie but in real casino once you made a bet you are the one who can move the bet, there should be no interference from other party, I'd like to watch the movie and see how it ends.

One of the reasons why we are adults is for the fact of being responsible enough to make decisions irrespective of friends or family. One wouldn't really put much blame on the friend who influenced your decision because you have a brain and know better. I know the money might be small for you because of the way you put it, but I can only say, what are friends for, if not for inconveniences.
I wouldn't advise for a brawl to breakout, but lessons learned from mistakes as this is one to either expose your friend in true light and for you to know what you can endure.
I would advice myself next time and follow my heart.

If anyone has a brawl with a friend because he lost a bet, it shows how immature he is. Friendship should not be traded for money no matter what happens. What if he had won the bet would he be quarrelling with his friend? No. The bettor should take responsibility for his loss and not put the blame on someone else. Adults take responsibility when things go bad and not trade blames.

If you do not consider this situation as a simple joke, then I would demand the full winnings from the casino. "Friend" is not a legal concept and he has no right to cancel the bets that you have made, the fact that he took the chips from the table is the problems of the casino/croupier. In fact, the bet was made and after that the responsibility for its safety lies entirely with the casino, which means that the player must receive the full winnings.

It seems a ridiculous risk to me to bet 10 or 15k on a number? Well there are a lot of strategies in roulettes, and you can bet all kinds of amounts but just to bet 10k - 15k on a number? I don't see that happening soon? And let's not forget that afterwards it is always easy to apply analyzes and conclusions to a situation. The point is that the bet has not been placed, and that seems binding to me. You don't know how it all went, it could also just be a big joke or media attention circus.

I don't think there's room for dispute from a legal point of view (formalities) as we have a video (hahaha) of the player making a bet and insisting on it. Outsiders (even if they are his friends) can't cancel it.
Financial actions, including advice, do lead to serious consequences, so it is wise to avoid getting involved in the financial affairs of your friends. The one who fully assumes the consequences of financial decisions should manage the money. Any problems and unsuccessful outcomes can lead to unnecessary quarrels and resentments.

  - Maybe for him, he knows that he will win and his friends don't believe him. And because of the concern of his friends, were worried about the large amount that could be lost, because of what he was going to bet, his partner thought that he should stop his big bet and hinted at a friend who changed it and made it just a small amount.

So I think God allowed that to happen to show that that big gambling win was not really for him. And maybe God is also teaching him something, that's why for me it's a sign to make me laugh at that show a lot, hehehehe

In real life, this kind of thing might never happen, because when betting and playing gambling I never invite my friends because it will mess with my mind, but if it really happened I would definitely be angry with him, but not scold him loudly. and hurt his heart, I think just slap him like I usually do if my friend is unconscious when he's drunk from drinking too much let alone $350k not a small amount of money

Almost impossible in a normal casino because in this scene a number of factors came into play. All the little things that never go as planned went like that. For instance, the casino employees not saying anything about the funds being moved when the one that placed the bet did not watch. Usually when you bet they confirm it by saying something like all bets are closed now and you know if you're participating. From that point you cannot move the chips and if they see you messing around they'll tell say it loud.
What I'd do? Probably tell my friends that they owe me now and moved on. They messed with my win they have to pay me back somehow. I wouldn't want the money but they'd be paying for alcohol that night, or would have to drive me home, something like that. I wouldn't let it slide, that's for sure :D

This is one of the major problem with most people when we talk about gambling. We need to be optimistic in whatsoever we are doing based of the kind of game we are betting on . Lack of trust in what we do make us lose more because we don't believe in what we do or choose. I have won a big amount of money in sport bet due to my confidence in the kind of game I choose that made many persons to castigate me of taking a bigger risk. I almost change the game but one thing assured me to leave it like that because I always prepared to either lose or win. At the end of the the match won which made many gamblers to be asking questions about my confidence.

To me this is the correct explanation for that scene, only the owner of the chips can change the bet at all and any friends or other people at the table cannot really do so unless we are talking about their own chips, also at some point bets are closed off and you cannot put new bets or modify the existing ones, so I think in that case the person betting at a particular number will still win his bet, but taking into account such a huge win it will most likely take some time before the money is paid.

At first place, my friend doesn't have any rights to change my bet because it's my money and not his/hers.
Second, we can't predict the future and that safer bet might be a better choice. It's just that, the riskier bet won and unfortunately because of your stupid friend, you didn't win that money.

These scenarios happen rarely and TBH, I don't know if there are some stupid friends out there who will change the bet of their friend because at first place, it wasn't their own money. Maybe on the next time you will go to a casino, try to go alone so nobody will change your bets. If I'm on that situation, I'll just move on with it, but the friendship will be over :D.

If he gets drunk and makes a mess while you are playing, it's out of his control because he can't think normally.
But it's best not to slap him because he might get back at you, which could put you and him in an uncomfortable situation.
Maybe you can just play online gambling instead of playing offline gambling because by playing online gambling, you can play in your room without anyone disturbing you.
That's what I do so I can be free in playing gambling.

Even if Kevin Hart manages somehow to rollback his friends action and insist on him winning 350k, casinos security will have 1001 reason to cancel that bet, because betting rules were broken.

If I was in that situation, I would not be much disappointed if I did not win 350k, but won only 10k. Reason is simple. If I can allow to make such a bet and be so reckless about it, then money is not a problem for me. So winning or loosing 350k is not a big deal.

It is strange that at first you write that your friend does not have the right to cancel/change your bet and then write that because of this friend you did not receive a win. If your friend cannot change your bet, then you should get a win as the bet is considered made - after all, you have a bet with a casino, and not with "casino and a friend."

The scene is quite unrealistic, but its fun watching this movie, I don't know if there's a possibility that something like this could happen in real life, for one once you place your bet and the roulette is in motion you cannot change your bet or even touch it, second, you don't close your eyes when betting because unexpected things can happen in physical roulette.
And what would I do I just going to hate my friend for the rest of my life, for ruining my fortune.

Yes, its unrealistic but those are what if's situation which is something we do presume out that it could happen and ending up on real which you could really be definitely be able to hate up your friend
or anyone that do really stop your fortune.You cant really just accept it easily yet it does involved huge amount of money.I agree on what you had said about that rolling on physical
roullete which it is really impossible that you wont really be able to stop if someone would really be making out alterations on your bet.You arent that closing your eyes imho.
This is why this particular condition or situation cant really be happening even if we do say about what if's.

We talk only by the gambler's perspective, but imagine how it would be from the friend's perspective. His intention was noble, since he worried about his gambler friend losing huge money in a foolish bet, so he removed the bet with the best intention as possible of preserving his friend's bankroll and preventing him from becoming depressed after a severe loss that looked a certain at first point.

But after all, the one who became depressed and regretful was the friend who tried to help his gambler mate for messing his big win. I can imagine how frustrating it should have been for him. Probably felt the worst friend in the world!

Precisely. You have the full control on your chips, and nobody is allowed to touch it other than you. So if you bet correctly, you’ll definitely win. And not that others are responsible if ever you lose. And if this scenario will happen in reality, that friend of yours will definitely be banned and not allowed to play again.

therefore I know how my friend is behaving, so I never invite him to play online or offline gambling with him because he will definitely disturb me playing, he is also not someone who understands gambling, so I let him busy with his drink and I gamble

If ever this is happening in reality, then I have to call the attention of the manager and tell him about the event. But this will not happen actually because no one gets to move our chips unless if we let that person too. What is actually happening in a movie may not be applicable in reality, so never make it a problem OP as it’s never be allowed to happen in real casinos.

Even if the rule isn't very strict the dealer would take not and at least ask you if that's your intention to change the bet.
If that happened to me I'd be angry at my friend but for it to happen we'd both have to be drunk. Me too drunk to notice and my friend to drunk to listen to me and know that it's my bet not his, so we'd probably laugh it off and go play at another table.

That movie can only fool those who do not understand roulette and physical casinos if we take the scenario seriously he can protest the results because his friend who is not the bettor touched the chips so his action is invalid, his bet should be the one that is counted and should go home with the $350k, but if the bet is invalid his friend just burn the bridge on their friendship, it will take years to forget that $350k is such a huge amount to forget easily.

Could neither be forgotten or would really be as good like forever on which you would definitely cutting your friendship.For some 350k might not be something worth but
honestly this is already a life changing amount for most people and if someone do touches up your bet and missed out that opportunity then you cant really avoid not
to punch him on the face on what he had done.You would really be cutting off ties on making him as a friend but its true that this one could really be debated on
considering that casinos arent allowed for sudden changes of bets unless if the bettor itself do make out such changes on the go.

And while he's busy with his drink, we can enjoy our moment gambling.
If I had a friend like your friend, I would also not ask him to go gambling but if he didn't bother me while playing, maybe I would be happy to have him as long as I play gambling.
Maybe he will always try to remind me not to gamble continuously and to stop.
This can help us to reduce tension because of a friend like that.

Reality is far from a movie, and a movie is far from reality.
Ain't gonna happen in real life. You don't wanna touch your friends bet coz it's gonna be a total chaos when something like the movie happens. Plus, I guess we are not allowed to touch other person's bet on the table, most especially once the roullete have started rolling.
The most realistic scenario for that, is to give your friend an advice on what kind of risk he's been into, but touching his bets and replacing it, not gonna happen in reality. Unless you and your friend are drunk af.

It happens in real gambling in my country especially in the place where I live. Although the game is not the same as mentioned by OP but it is a bit similar. It is a game where players against the dealer. Players place bets and other players can move other's money to others or even take the money of other's players but they responsible for it. Means that if the taken money or moved money is a bet, the one who take or move it should pay the winning. Perhaps it is not happening in big and professional land based casino, but it is happening in traditional gambling in my area.
Below is the gambling game I'm referring to where players can touch (take/move) other's money:

https://i.imgur.com/7nsX375.jpg

Well I would interpret lop as profit, there are times we let opportunities go by because we don't know very well, of course letting go of winning so much is something that can affect a lot, especially emotionally, especially when it is such a monstrous amount of money, but that would help of teaching, I think that here in gmbling as in trading the best of all are the teachings, I think that the friend learned a very valuable lesson and that is what matters, of course if we see it from the winning point of view it is obvious that He stopped winning a lot, but at least he won something and I am in favor of leaving with a positive balance and not a negative one, that is what I like the most.

It is very clear, traditional gambling and casino gambling have a difference that looks very contrasting. whether it's from game rules, security guarantees, playing comfort, the many types of games, and the most important thing is the purity of the game which tends to be controlled by the dealer.

I mean, traditional gambling like you show in this picture. I don't guarantee 100%, but in most cases bookies from traditional gambling tend to play unfairly with the various tricks they do. at least, that's what happened in my country. after all, most of this kind of gambling is no longer popular because of the sophistication of technology. Gradually, traditional gambling will disappear with time.

however, there is one thing that modern casinos and traditional gambling have in common, namely, in the end, the dealer always wins. the difference is, traditional bookies are more inclined to cheating tricks, but if in a modern casino, players don't know the time so the money at stake will gradually run out too. So, that's roughly the difference.

I'm afraid that the casino won't bother at all and will just try and help to de-escalate the situation so that the other bettors won't be disturbed. Lucky for you if they will return your bet because most management will just talk to you privately that the situation can't be restored nor the bet, and will put the finger to your friend who did moved the chips. Trying to claim that $350k will be impossible, that's just pushing your luck for nothing.

I had a similar incident, although not exactly in this way. It was 4 years ago. A close friend and I had a joint gambling account. When we were gambling, we made joint decisions and acted that way. But one day it didn't happen that way. When I was going to bet equally on two different games, my friend changed his mind according to his own opinion and played with all the money in one game. He did something like this without my knowledge. At the end of this incident, when we were going to have a lot of money, we didn't have any money. As a result, he is still my friend :) After this incident, he returned my main money and we ended our partnership. Since then, I have not involved anyone in gambling.

It is a good thing that he is still your friend because this can be easily be an incident which could destroy a friendship if it is not managed correctly, personally even if I have great friends and family members in which I trust I have always thought that it is important to keep the topic of our finances apart, as this is a very sensitive topic and even something which you think it is not a big deal for you may destroy a friendship as the other person does not share your opinion.

Well you didn't lose $350,000, you lost $10,000 only. If you are going to think this way, every time you place a $1 bet in slots and lose, you may as well say you lost $10,000 which isn't true. Maybe yes, you can say that you lost the chance of winning $10,000, that would make more sense but still weird.

Well, if that is something that happened to me because of my friend, I guess we both would regret and laugh it off. I am sure he is feeling much more shittier than me. But things like this never happen in real life. Once you place the chips, there is no taking back.

That is why it is better for us not to share our gambling accounts with other people, even our friends, because we do not know when they will use that gambling account. Moreover, if they don't have good self-control, they can use all the money in the gambling account and not ask or tell us about it. This can lead to fights between us and friendships can be damaged because of this little thing. But you are still lucky not to lose that friend of yours and are still my friend.

I don't know anyone sharing their gambling accounts with others and I also think that any account is a personal thing and should be kept private.  Because often times friends plays joke and it is no joke if our accounts get compromised.


Indeed even can end in worst than just a fight.  I read lots of news about friends committing crime because because of money.  So as far as friendship is concern, lets be responsible and keep our accounts by ourselves.  It will keep our friends away from sinning.

You are right!

There's no way that the banker or the one whose incharge on a certain table would allow to do it so.Once the ball is rolling then those bets on the table are considered final.
Any alterations or changes would really be that not allowed.
If ever someone or your friend do change up your your bet and the it won but you didnt able to win up the amount because it was changed.
Then it would really be a huge chaos.
This isnt an amount which you can just slip away and move on, even if he's your friend you would really be beating him up
so badly for what he had done but eventually this isnt realistic.

Actually, it's not always bad to have a joint gambling account as I have one myself with one of my friends which is just mainly for sportsbetting as we want to maximize our profit by having a larger bankroll. One thing that we established before making the decision of sharing an account is that we will make a decision where we can both agree on but if in any case one of us is not available to make a decision then we have a certain amount limit to bet on to avoid losing a huge chunk of our bankroll. Also, we never blame each other if one of us bet and lost as we both share our winnings as well as when we lose.

I agree with you. What matter there is, we are still control our financial status properly even we do gambling. That's why I don't consider a heavy gambler as a person that don't know what do as what if in the end, they are still disciplined even how addicted they are in gambling.

Back to topic, it's really hard to put some real thoughts there because that is something can't really happened in real life.

Well, mix emotions if this happened to me. I place the bet, that means i'm already prepared whatever the outcome is. Because it's my decision to go all in and try my luck. If my friend changed my bet out of concern, I appreciate it and his intention, but still, he has no right to interfere. So regardless of the result I'll be mad at him.

But anyway this is just a movie and can't happen in reality since you can't change/move bets when the ball is already rolling. The dealer should not allow this too.

Oh, it's a nice idea to have a joint gambling account with a friend, as long as your friend is trustworthy. I have yet to try to have a joint account with my friend, that is a good idea to win bigger, but I am just scared since it involves money, though I do really know them well. Still, it involves money, so I am curious how they react. Also, when betting, you and your friend should decide which team to bet on, but the problem is that if you are betting on a different team, how do you decide?

Thus, we are free to use our funds and do not need to share with our friends because one day, we can feel jealous of the profit sharing. And if that has happened, there may be a fight between us.

When it comes to money, the little things that happen between us can turn into betrayals and bring us great losses. We can lose money and also lose friends. We definitely don't want to feel that because losing a friend can make us sad.

Maybe you don't think that's always a bad thing because as long as we can be honest using that shared account, no problem will happen. There may be a way to avoid getting into trouble later; if you want, you can make a pact between the two of you. But I still don't want to share accounts with my friends; instead, I will suggest they create their own accounts and gamble together. That's probably a good way for us because we learn to be responsible for managing our accounts.

You don't need to made a pact to each other as long as both of you have agreed on disclosing information regarding every bet you'll both made. Also, it's best to only do this to someone you personally know so that you won't have any issue trusting each other.
I don't personally suggest sharing an account to every gambling activities you made as not all bets should be shared on as some are better done separately. We only do this on sports betting and not on other kind of gambling games.

It would be better because if they can make it, they won't try to break it, especially if it's about profit sharing. It's better if we can choose someone we already know so well that we can trust each other and won't try to cheat.

But if it can provide a bigger chance of winning at sports betting because each of us has skills in choosing a team to compete with, we could share an account with someone we trust.

And if there is a credit card linked to it things could be many times worse, after all people trust in their friends and they are not going to check every single thing they do, and if you have a joint account then it could be possible for your friend to abuse that trust you have in them and make some withdrawals without your permission, so it is better to keep our accounts separated, besides I think most casinos do not like arrangements like this one as it could bring financial loss to them.

What we are trying to here is match the fictional part of movie with the real one which is very unlikely to happen as others have already told you.If someone is allowed to change the bets and remove chips then what's the fun of placing bet at all? So casino don't allow it but what if happens? You would not speak to him for rest of your life and end friendship with him but can't kill him  ;D The gambling is full of risk and even with the same bet you might have not be able to win that amount so take a chill pill and relax and creating imaginative scenes.

I would not suggest using a credit card to deposit money for gambling because I am worried that the bill at the end of the month could increase due to the lack of control from each of us. While we might say we have good self-control, we know how the temptations of gambling will get to us so each of us should deposit some money into the sharing account and tell the others. That is to avoid cases of abuse of trust and credit card bills later. We must protect our accounts by not sharing them with friends unless they are very close to us and can be trusted.

here in africa if that happened i am absolutely sure that the guy who was deceived would spend years looking for his friend to do the same thing to him, here in africa they even kill each other for something like 1$, yes you are not reading it wrong, here in africa in africa people are capable of killing another person for 1$, now imagine if it was $350,000? losing that money the person would not forgive you and would spend years resentful and hating you, even if they were friends since they were children, when it comes to money here in africa people forget things like friendship and love, money becomes the most important thing It is important, even when people go to buy lottery tickets, there is already a tense atmosphere, it seems that they are in a fight


If there's one thing that I absolutely wouldn't do, it's using a bank card to go and play at the online casino, even at the physical casino, even if I'm a person with a lot of self-control, I wouldn't do that, for the following reason: when a person plays and has money to spare at that moment when he is playing that person will always be tempted to use that money that is with him, the thought will always be that he can use that money and then when he wins he will replace that money and with that thought the person will continue losing money, and will continue thinking that next time he will win and will replace the money but at the end of the day the person will lose all the money that is in the bank. the right thing is for the person to always deposit a small amount, that even when he loses, he will not have more money to deposit

Its really fictional which is something that cant really happen in real world situation which it isnt really that possible for your bets to be changed when the roulette is rolling.
If ever they would really be able to allowed such thing then they would really be sued out on what they had done on letting others alter those bets which means it cant really be that possible
on real life situation.

If ever this one happens into my part where my friend did really changed up a bet and then it win up huge amount then just like the rest been saying that this particular friendship is over
or something that you would really be punching up his face on why he do that?
Relations could really be ending up if we do talk about money but into that certain extent which the amount involved is something big.

indeed it's much better to have a limited bankroll for gambling so things don't go out of control
if using a credit card at least use a separate one from normal use and control the money limit so you don't get in trouble

better safe than "sorry in big debt"

Never ever suggest on using up your credit card when it comes to gambling yet that control you've been talking would really be that impossible on this case.I already have that bad experience on using up credit
card which you could really make yourself that impulsive when it comes to spending.Even you would really be telling into yourself that everything should be on control but on the time that you are
on the actual situation then this is where things becomes even more harder to resist,specially if you do know that you do still have the money or the capacity on spending
since you could always make use of your credit card which is really a very bad idea on no matter what angle.

You will not feel your spending if you use your credit card so its not advisable so much better to use the money we have on hand since this will give us much awareness that we exceed to our limits sand we are much very careful on our bets.

But if we can't avoid this maybe set some limits according to your capacity and practice this always so that this could not lead to worse condition to us.

I very much agree with this.

It's really a bad advice to tell someone to use their credit card for luxurious things that in the first place, they are not thinking on splurging with.

Using your credit card for your wants once in a while is okay as long as you have the means to pay it and if you know it to yourself that you are disciplined enough to pay it back before the due date. Spending it to your necessities and to increase your credit score could be a good way to maximize your credit card usage for rewards and points accumulation which you could also utilize in the future.

However, telling someone to use it for gambling just gives me a negative vibe because a person that has a credit card doesn't necessarily mean he's already equipped with financial literacy. Most people especially the new cc holders fall into the trap of borrowing money and ended up accumulating big interest and loans they can't afford to pay. Which could literally ruin their life if ever they'll be victimized by continuous use of credit card without having the right mindset of obligation in paying.

 ???Yes, that's true. Never link a debit or credit card to gambling because we must think that we still have savings that we can use for gambling and even we can think that we can use the money in the bank for gambling. There have been many people who have lost a lot of money, some of them did not even link their cards to gambling but they deposited more on gambling sites. This should not happen to us, especially if we have to sacrifice a friendship with our friends because we will lose friends and money. Those are very valuable things in our lives. By playing on our own account, we will not risk losing our friends' trust and we are responsible for our account and ourselves. We must realize that the temptation of gambling will become greater, making us forget our reason for playing gambling.

Of course, we won't use a credit card to play gambling, even though we have separated it from the main credit card because we can still easily get the temptation to continue gambling. We must always limit the amount we use to gamble to limit the amount of money we lose in gambling games.

Human instinct and it is a money matter. Maybe it's not just a punch, but with that huge amount of money, I'm pretty sure
that the anger will flow and maybe you won't be able to think the right way.

If your disappointment triggered you, might be possible that you will think of killing
The person even it is your friend. Huge amount of money can change everything.

I know some people who think the same way after they lose their money because of their close relatives and friends so those guys are now in hiding. People work hard to get that money and to lose it as simple as that, it would be a disaster unless the person is a multi-millionaire and maybe he will just do some light punishment maybe he won't ever want to see the person who loses that money again but if it's the only money he has and he becomes poor because of their foolishness, he might do the unthinkable because of his frustrations.

there are ways to control yourself using a credit card
worst case scenario one could have a credit card just for gambling as I suggested with a small limit
or even leave the app that controls the credit card limit with a trusted person if you don't trust yourself for being able to control it

I don't think you can modify your bets once the game have started. It must be against the rules and you will not be qualified anymore whatever the result will be. It's not fun when someone joins your decisions but we can talk with them and tell them if what is the problem. They should stop after it and we can return to the game eventually.

Sometimes our friend can do that because they have an itchy hand and can't be contented on just watching you playing. It can also be a sign that they want to be involved with the game. We must not be angry with them but we can try to provide some capital to them if we have extra money. There is no need to break the friendship.

Is the story shared by the OP was real and happened in real life? It's just that it is almost too unlikely to happen because I don't think that anyone could modify that bet once it already started, even if it's your friend or not. I haven't saw such scenario like that before when I was fond of playing roulette. Looking forward to know more details about this.

I just noticed on this topic, almost most of the commenters do not believe that this movie show is realistic in the real life of people. Which for me is true. But we know that most movies are purely unrealistic, the impossible is made possible in movies, just like in the video we watched.

But if the show is true and it happened to me, I don't know what I can do to my friend, to be honest. I'm sure I won't do well.

Well, its totally true since there are people who cant really be able to control their anger which means that they could really go into that certain extent which you might really be able to kill him in that case.

But not really that worth on killing someone and put yourself in prison forever just for that $300k, which do means that it is really mattering on self control and discipline in towards into your emotions

which you should really know on how to control or stop yourself.Yes, its a big amount but its not really that worthy on taking someones life because of that.

The story is certainly unrealistic so I don’t have to put myself in that situation knowing it will never really happen in real life. And besides, before you start to enter into a casino, you should know already the things that are not allowed to happen, otherwise you’ll be banned there and don’t have the chance anymore to gamble on that certain casino. And for sure a drunk person will never be allowed to enter to gamble.

Although it's a movie, it will be frustrating if this happens. However, as mentioned several times it's a common etiquette not to touch a bet once it is placed. I believe at some point some might happen in real life, like believing in signs when betting. He did not lose $350,000 but lost the opportunity to win it. If you are to make a situation realistic, let's say example if you asked a friend or someone to place a bet on your behalf and they forgot to do it and found out you hit a jackpot, I am sure you will feel the frustration and be mad for losing the opportunity to win a jackpot. But I will not get to the point where I will hurt my friend or someone because of it.

It's not a matter of realistic or not. Op, has explained it before in his thread. that what happened in the trailer of the film, would not be possible in the real world. because, the things a friend did to take and replace betting coins that didn't belong to him, violated the casino's terms and rules.

However, what Op is questioning is. what if this happened in the real world, without relating to violations of the rules of the casino.  and what are we going to do, if such thing happens to. remembering that the money that should have been won, was not a small amount of money. thus, nearly 90% percent of the people who should have earned the $350,000 would be outraged. fatally there will be chaos that might lead to things of physical violence, even this fight and chaos will continue outside the casino.

well, fortunately this only happens in a movie and will not happen in the real world.

What you’ll lose is only the amount you bet, and not your expected profits. But no matter how it goes, a loss will remain a loss. So just leave it with that. And if this will happen to me in real life, I guess all I have to say is better luck next time. And definitely end my partnership with this friend of mine since he can’t be reliable at all.

If you dont make yourself that obliged on paying up on the amounts that you have used then you would really be messing up your entire life later on which is something that you wont really want to happen.
I do already have the experience and i had learned up a lesson on very hard way because we know that paying up huge interest is never been simple or easy.There's nothing  you can do but to pay
up since there that agreement which you are really that responsible and obliged on paying up on what you had used. Making use on gambling? You are really just making things
even more worst because once those funds are totally lost then there's nothing you can see on where those funds been used into.

Yes, I agree with what you say, but unfortunately the majority of people do not think that way, when it comes to money many people transform and do not recognize friendship or have any shame in doing whatever they give them their money, This is something that you should see very well when doing business with someone, especially when it is with a friend, because there is trust and you know how the person is, I would never put money first in a friendship, the person should be My same comp level so that I can fully understand the risks of a business and what it entails to be able to take them to a scenario where things go wrong and I cannot have control, that is where true friendship is seen.

sometimes money can act as an augmented lens
it'll make some traits of personality bigger
this results in some people becoming more greedy and aching to have power and others to be more prone to charity and good acts of will.

If we only want to chase money from gambling, I don't think it will be easy because we already know that gambling is not a way to make money. Although some people can earn money, the number will be smaller than the number of lost people. We should avoid being greedy in gambling or other things so we won't get caught in a situation we don't want. And if we really want to make friends, money is not something we use because it relates to our emotions.

yes you are right
some people make big wins and end up changing their lives because of gambling but these are outliers, most will lose over the long run

money makes things easier but only solves the problems related to money, not all the issues in life.

This topic always made me remember how some people got befallen by some unforseen circumstances and, there are sometimes left with nothing to decide on, no option to follow, no decision to make... sometimes they're not even given an opportunity to make a choice, Just like the happenings from this story.
That would have been an opportunity to change his life , maybe momentarily, maybe forever but, I feel that it was not just meant to be. Secondly, friends are very annoying and jealous atimes... Let's assume that his friend knew he was gonna win big but decided to get it all FUCKED, just as he was convinced in his options, how's that supposed to be termed?

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While nowhere near as extreme as what it is described in the OP, something similar happened to a friend of mine once, he wanted to buy a lottery ticket and he made a research about the numbers that came the most often, he finally decided the numbers he wanted to play but since he was busy he asked his mother to buy the ticket for him, the next day he read in the newspaper that the numbers he selected won a new car and he was incredibly happy, but his mother decided against it as she thought it was a waste of money and so he missed the opportunity to win a new car.

Not carrying credit cards or bank cards is a wise decision or method of a responsible gambler in any casino whether it is online or physical. Because what is said is true and I often know that it still happens to gamblers who have no control over gambling in reality.

At least if the only thing a gambler brings is the gambling amount and nothing else, even if the money he gambled is used up, even if he is still tempted to play, he will be forced to stop or just watch the gamblers play. even if he is in a land-based casino.

Apparently, in this way, they can somehow apply what is called self-control and proper handling of money in gambling.

Lemme just answer from the title first, I can't risk to lose $350k just a friend and for what reason would I have wasted such opportunity if it happens i came across it. If I could have such a friend who would take me backward then no need to have them around.

That is a good strategy but unfortunately it is not very effective in our modern world, almost all banks now have an app you can use to keep track of your income and your expenses, which means that even if you go to the casino without any credit or debit card that makes no difference as it is likely that you will bring your smartphone, now a solution could be to not bring your smartphone with you, but what kind of person does not use a smartphone these days?

you must have misread the OP. he didn't actually lose $350k. it was the possible money that could have been won if a friend didn't take the money on the table.

but this is just a scene on a movie. and he asked away if what we'd do if it happens to us. but either way, losing $350k in 2022 will give you a heart attack.

probably the only case in which somebody wouldn't be really pissed for losing 350k usd is on these cases of people who have more than 20 million usd, and even in these cases

of course there are several situations
losing by risking it in an endeavor is really different than losing it because of a friend

On your statement, only people who have flowing money can endure that amount, but if you are not that kind or you are not a rich gambler, that amount is too much for you to lose.

Though it isn't near to any reality when someone is playing or inside a gambling house, most of them
don't want to be bothered by anyone. Most of them will choose to play quietly as they are focusing
in finding ways to win against the house.

Even those with stable incomes would still feel that amount missed cheaply unless they are such that worth hundreds of million or more. This is money we are talking about, it would affect most people unless they are not from this world. Yet, it's a lesson, one should trust their instincts 100% rather than trusting friends. Because if it were to be he who made the mistake, the psychological effect would be minimal.

However, the consolation of such a person should be towards the fact that it is not real money yet credited, life goes on, it should be forgotten.

you'd be surprised to see that some people have quite different ways to relate to money
some value it to a point losing it hurts a lot
others are way more detached

one of the best ways is probably to approach gambling with a fixed amount where you don't put more if you lose it all
like fixed risk bags

The first thing I would do is not blame my friend for my actions.  I don't believe any major casino would allow someone else to move your bet without your approval.  If they did, I would probably complain and try to get the money I was owed.  If I gave the OK to my friend to move the bet, then it's on me.  It could have just as easily gone the other way and then you'd be thanking your friend for the move.  I don't think I would let the chance of a game determine whether or not I was angry with my friend.  That doesn't seem logical.

The account of us in trading must be private and for exclusive use only, you can make a company with meito, that is, you can exchange information but each person must be the owner of their bets and who manages their own account, sometimes when there is money involved, things can become difficult and the person appeals to their emotions and this can lead to misunderstandings, there are people who are very little aware and would not have paid what is owed to them, on other occasions people are more delicate and I would have created a tremendous problem just by making a decision without the consent of the other.

I believe you were very lucky. Because your friend, despite being irresponsible in the game by betting everything on impulse without consulting you first, at least had the character to admit that he was wrong and return his part of the value.

If you were a dishonest person or simply someone who was in financial trouble, most likely you would never be able to recover the lost money.
I have never opened a joint account with friends and I strongly discourage people from doing so.

Obviously, this sum of money can make you achieve a goal faster, but friendship and trust must be very strong in order to overcome any addiction or lack of control on the part of any of those involved... which is very difficult to achieve. achieve.... I don't even trust myself :D

This is the kind of business that will break a friendship. Even to the most honest person you know, you would rather keep the friendship without having him as a partner in a gambling activity. The fact that he returned the money and ended the partnership means, the friendship has already soured. A life lesson was learned from that situation. Because a friend can think who else can you not betray?

betraying a friend would definitely risk ending the friendship
though it must be possible to have a partnership, work together and separate business from friendship in some cases
it varies, and it's not easy, but may be possible

But according to the video clip, it seems that no rules were violated because the bet was reduced in favor of the banker if the bet was not reduced, the banker would have paid a lot, that's why the bettor's friend was just careless, in terms of caring as a friend

But you're right in what you said, it shouldn't lead to anger that can destroy a friendship, it's good that you said that it's better if you just give your friend a level playing field instead of messing with your forecasting strategy.

It is not ideal to make an all-in with a one-pot game because its just an all-or-nothing game and we know the possible odds with the game mostly with this kind of game, at the end get the courage and make a risky still decision of the player to make it with this large amount it will really test your friendship if you will make it continue or not well if you decision will become tough because its a battle against friendship vs the money situation and trust is really the big deal.

I agree, even if it may seem to be too strict it is never a good idea to mix your friendship with a business venture as it often leads to all kind of trouble, now if both friends can separate their feelings and be as professional as possible then there may be a chance to make this work, but there is not a lot of people which can detach themselves so easily from their feelings, so a situation like the one is mentioned here in most cases will destroy the friendship as the confidence will be lost among the two former friends.

I think that was the motto of most gambler. It is better for them to go home empty than winning only small amounts so they just bet huge and accept if it's a loss. There is no need for them to stay longer inside the casino because they will do other important things. In the story it is said that the bettor is winning but the wins are cut off because of a concerned friend but I don't really know if he is truly concerned or he is only tripping.

This is disappointing in the side of the bettor and incidents like this can potentially end a friendship. I know it sounds selfish and inappropriate but there are really people who can value the money more than anything else.

This is heavy, and the question now would be, isn't this a bad gambling habit?.
Less say for example, a gambler with this mindset and attitude towards gambling keeps betting huge amount of money and keep going home empty everyday for atleast a week, this is not easy way into depression?.
I am not a professional gambler and might likely never know what it feels like to be one, but morals teach us to always gamble with funds we can afford to loss on daily, weekly or monthly basis, though many other times, greed has pushed many of us into gambling away far more than we can afford to loose all because we wanted to hit it big, but eventually lost all and end up struggling to cope with the loss - this is coiled from my personal experience.

Such a motto is a wrong motto is you ask me, I would rather go to the casino with an amount I can afford to lose-(learnt in the hard way), and if I must not return home with big amount, then let me return with small amount instead of returning with absolutely nothing.

the only situation where it'd make sense, imo, is risking it all IF you make a fixed risk bag, usually smaller than 2% of your total money available to gamble
so you'd risk a really low amount

I know, way different than going all in

but avoiding ruin is a must.

I do agree that it wouldn't be an easy thing to "accept", it's something you just have to live with, what are you going to do put a gun to their heads and ask for the money? You just have to move on, but emotionally you would be damaged afterwards even if you just carry on with your life.

You will live all your life thinking what would have happened if you just hold it, or kept looking at it and not allow your friend to do something like that and so forth. I mean even in the USA that type of money is a lot.

If you bought a house for about 80k, that house would generate at least 700-800 dollar rent, probably a bit more but lets take the taxes out, that means you could have bought 4 houses with that money, which means about 3-4k income give or take per month, making it about 35-50k range per year, after taxes, that's insanely good income if you also have a job, that means you will life a very comfortable life.

It ruined the relationship and even it was a honest thing that being done, the relationship will be the same. Maybe they can settle but trust issue will always be there to hunt one another.

Though there are people who can work it out and bring things to solve it the right way
and not dwelling to that same case or issue, but moreso there are many that will keep
that same situation and will continue to live with it.

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Okay just to follow up on this topic after all we are all in this discussion anyway.

Which one would you prefer?

• Losing money because unintentionally your friend does something like removing it on the black 15
• Or losing a friend because he bet the amount without consulting you?

I'd rather lose a so-called friend rather than losing my hard earned money. Because if someone really considers you as a true friend of theirs, they will not do anything that will upset you or frustrates you despite knowing it. They will respect your decision and will not cross the boundary to showcase their disrespect. Instead of getting your money and betting it on something else without properly asking your permission, a true friend will ask you if you want advice or not and base from your answer, he will suggest you a better option or choice he knows. But will not really impose his beliefs on you to control or manipulate you.

It should be a common knowledge already to not meddle if it's not your business to begin with. A person must know his limitations in being involved in someone else's lives. Otherwise, trouble will really arise.

Losing money is better than losing friends. But it would be a different story if we could not trust our friend and it would be better to lose him than lose money because of his attitude. But if he accidentally made a mistake, we can forgive him because everyone makes mistakes. And hopefully, after we forgive him, he can be better than before and not make mistakes again. Friendships sometimes do often experience cases like that and this makes us have to be wise in reacting to it.

I agree here that friends are more important than money
just adding a small caveat: make sure your friends are really your friends.
similar to love, it's not always the case that a relationship is mutual

There are several risks associated with gambling. I wouldn't trust people so easily with such amounts. It's a lot of money. If you do want to gamble, I wouldn't involve other people in your area unless you are very sure that you can trust those people. But you do hear more strange things about situations like that, only the amounts are considerably smaller. When it really comes to a lot of money, there are ultimately very few people you can trust. Hopefully it will still turn out well in this story, otherwise it would have become a real financial catastrophe.

Important than money but not all would really just afford and let his friend would do such thing specially that we are talking about $350k which is something that you cant just let it slip away.

It might not really that a big amount for other people but this is indeed already life changing for some which you cant just let others do mess it up and dont make it happen.Its unrealistic somehow

because once bets had been placed then there's no way that there would be alteration or changes on mid-way which it would really be in their negligence or their fault
in case it did really happen.You could really make out complaints or contest it out if there would be argumentations in  this regard.

it's much easier to decide and see through situations after they happened than predicting it
I think this is one of these cases
we don't know what the people involved in the situation felt or thought while it was happening

tricky

if it happened to me and it was done by accident, i would prefer to take the middle road.
so I'm going to consult my friend and ask to return half of what he had accidentally gambled. but if he can't return half of the total bet, I will provide a solution to return as much as he can.
so I choose wiser in dealing with cases like that. because good friends are harder to find and more valuable.
all of that is not because I pretend to be wiser, but not just because of gambling and money we lose our friends.


anyways it was done by accident and we don't have to judge our own friends by accident

As much as possible, don't gamble with your friends that have a different view than you do because they will influence you to create a different decision which is against your will and you would end up blaming them if the result fails. You better gamble alone so you can focus on what you want to achieve. Always keep in mind that anything that involves money can ruin relationships especially when it comes to gambling.

When you confront a friend in returning half the amount, it's more than likely that you can crack this friendship to pieces. Or even if he agrees to send you half the amount, would you expect the friendship will still be the same?

One thing that I have seen in people is when they already have a family of their own, they wouldn't care much about people anymore even a best friend or a family member but thier family. Maybe it varies on the kind of person you are.

That's why we have to find a friend who can be a friend because nowadays we have seen many friends who are only "friends" when we are happy and leave when we are having a hard time. It's not a "friend" who can be used as a friend because a friend will be by our side, supporting us when we are down and feeling happy when we are happy. If we have found it, we must really maintain our friendship with him and if there is a problem, we should discuss it to find a solution. And if he does something wrong by mistake, we should be able to forgive him and still accept him kindly.

Even if  you are a real friend then you dont actually need to be that too protective which it do really end up on the sense that you are trying out to change bets of your friend while he's playing.
It is really crossing out on the boundary when it comes to friendship, as a true friend then you wont really be making such thing and you wont really be doing things which would be potentially
be able to break that friendship of yours because even we do say that friendship is indeed strong and cant be broken up but when in speaking with money
and specially if its something big then you cant really make out that kind of assurance.

no, that's not going to happen.
because from the start I said I would take steps to consult or discuss with him (my friend) to approve or not regarding the return.
if indeed my friend can't give me the full $350k I will offer to refund half. but if he really can't give me half back, I'll take it a step further to give up my $350k for friendship. ruining friendships over money while gambling is really bad for me.



gambling is only for entertainment, it is not good if we lose friends just because of money and gambling. IMO

Noted, I appreciate you if this case happened in the real world because giving up a loss of $ 350k is very ironic but if the loss is only $ 350 it doesn't matter to me, but holding him responsible for his mistakes does not include destroying friendship, but he must be responsible for what he did and although in the end it may only be necessary that half of the losses have to be paid.

This line of thought is similar to other gamblers fallacies like "I've put so much money into this game the next bet has to be a winner". No it doesn't, in most situations every single bet is independent than any previous or future bets, yet some people trick themselves into believing that somehow the casino owes them a payout. People are terrible at estimating the correct odds and if he wanted to throw away money then he should of had the conviction to make his own choice instead of relying on the guess of someone else. That bet had a 3% chance of paying off, so he would have lost that 10k 97 times out of every hundred times he attempted it in when looking at averages.

Yes, there are ones who do really say up things when they arent on the situation but on the time that they are on the said situation then pretty sure you wouldnt really know on what or on how you would really act.

Each person does have their own personality and if they do really give out importance that much with money then they could pretty sure trying out to take up some revenge in case they would miss out out getting

that $350,000 because of that stupid change of bets just because of that shitty concern of your friend that you might lose up big or become addicted.
Its not really actually a solid reason.

yeah right, if it happened in the real world $350k that seems like a lot but to me it doesn't matter. we can't judge a friend just because of an accidental mistake.
indeed it is his responsibility as a friend who has made a mistake but we have a way to forgive rather than forcing to return whole or return half but it will never happen if he really can't return.

and i think, if we can afford to forgive the $350k lost it will be fine it will definitely be rewarded at gambling making a profit of over $350k

As true friends, we will never be overly protective of our friends because we know they also have desires of their own that we cannot force. We can only give them the best advice we can and then they will have to decide. And relation to gambling, a true friend will not betray his friend's trust because it will not bring good for both of them. They will always try to maintain that trust and will do anything to ensure their relationship is fine. And if we were in that movie, I would not be mad at him even if I missed a chance to make a lot of money.

   - In the scenario of the video clip we watched, I would prefer to lose a friend, because for me it is not a true friend to care about my decision, whether it is wrong or right. Because I have a friend, when I say something that I'm doing and I'm going to do it, when he sees that it's wrong from his point of view, he tells me a friend's reminder of the consequences that can be faced.

Apparently, he is not forcing me to do what he reminded me, but he is making me understand the possibilities that I can face. That's what a true friend can say.

I think value of good friendship can be priceless. There are some people that takes care of their friends in their worst experiences in life. I always consider this when I ask help from a friend. In OP's situation it doesn't differ a lot. OP lost a chance to make 350k dollars which is obviously great amount of money anywhere in the world. But I think his friend mainly tried to help him not sabotage... So I think I would mainly laugh at a friend and ask for dinner. Nothing more.

yes, we live in weird times where relationships are more and more shallow
takes time and effort to go deeper and what I see is that most are too busy with their lives to take care of their relationships
hopefully this may change in the future but I don't know.

Not sure about this if things really happen in real life, that's a huge amount of money and most of the time friendship or good relationship
can be ruined by this huge amount of money.

Though, if you are really that kind and you are willing to let go the other half just for the sake
of friendship, then so be it. Your take and how you handle if the situation comes up will be defined
from how you will solve the issue.

The final option is to forgive him because he can do nothing but regret his actions, I'm not the type to hold grudges but I'm just judging some of the posts above based on a real life perspective that it's hard for someone to forgive if your friend caused you to lose $350k in gambling. That's why I don't involve friends in gambling unless I just take some advice.

Well, if these things are possible in gambling, then there might be a lot of breaking rules and banning incidents for sure. Because if we can see it in the real picture, no man is in his right thinking to change the bet that is supposedly not his own. But if it’s really unstoppable, then that friend of him might only be there to oppose his luck and bring him losses instead of profits. Too bad for him, maybe winning that huge is not really intended for him.

Banker shouldnt really allow for any changes specially if the roulette is turning around which if they would really be allowing it then it would really be their error and that certain bettor could really make out that kind of

complaint on what happen because it shouldnt really be moved or changed in the first place.They shouldn't really allow someone on doing so and if this case then it could really be argued upon.
As for that friend who do changed up the bet just for the talks of protecting his friend then it did really have done the other way around.
For someone's friend then we do know on what comes next since its a huge winning we are talking on here.

People who are calm with their responses should also see what could have happened with 350k if you were smart with your money. USA banks requires you to provide at least 20% of your capital when buying a house, then rest could be a loan. This character in the movie is American, and that means if 20% is 350k, then you could buy houses worth up to 1.75 million dollars.

Obviously, there is a loan issue where you would have to pay it back, but you could stretch it as long as 30 years these days, but even at 20-25 years that means you are going to get paid rent, and then you will be able to pay the loan back with the rent. Not want to risk it that way? Just get one of the houses as old thorned down, spend some money on it, and then sell it after it's brand new. Pay the loan for a long time out of that profit.

You had used huge money for the bet. My opinion is not highly recommend one. Because risking with huge money will cause two things to you. One it will give you 10 times of the profit from the betting amount. Secondly it will made to big loss for you. It’s leads to spend huge time to recover from that loss. So instead you play some games with less bet and win. This may leads to good profit and fun from the game. To make is survival for the longer period, you can’t win for the longer period by using the gambling for longer period. Losing a money to earn is the only way by the gambling for sure.

If you do have that business minded like or investors mind like then pretty sure you would really be coming up with these ideas but for those who doesnt have then pretty sure they would really be
buying off things that they do have in mind or simply with their needs and not their wants.Majority doesnt really think off about their long term situations which they are really minding with the
on point or real situation or condition as of this moment.If they do saw that they could bare out on having a rent for the rest of their lives and paying up those loans then they would really be sticking into that.

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Back on topic about on having a friend who do changed up bets whose putting up the risk of that 350k to be done then you
would really be definitely be cursing up that man.

Yeah, because for sure, for others that's already a fortune, $350K is not something that you can easily forget unless you are such
a Billionaire or you really gambled with a friend like him.

Not to justify but like you, it's tough to forget that amount and you will keep dwelling on that
particular loss and always reminds you that one time in your life you lose a huge amount of
money because of your friends' mistake.

I agree.Who would not have cursed that man,the problem is though that we have seen many times in movies that the guys who do such things ends up badly but from what I have seen in real life it is the exact opposite.I see government officials corrupted up only to sky is the limit and they had done so with my and your taxes,they get cursed by all of us but I see them securing generations to come while me and you are just getting our ridiculous salary compared to their total income.

Unfortunately in life these guys like the one who run away with the money are called smart and not cheaters because people say with just a move he secured his life.I say to people yes but at what expense?At that of another ruined life.
Bottom line life is not fair.

The mistake we all do at most times is in having a reliability and trust in our friends who are just hanging around us because they needed our company, money or valuables to sustain theirs, this has call for more reasons to study the kinds of company we keep and notbto rely on them once it comes to dealing with money, I've also seen a friend who carted away the bet him and his other friend place together only because he happens to be with the slip, friends shouldn't be trusted when it comes to money.

I have experienced something like that where I trusted him, but he betrayed that trust because he no longer needed me. Money can change the nature of someone who was once trustworthy but eventually left everything just like that. If you want to bet with your friend, always make sure that he is really a friend who will not betray you in any way, even with money. Thus, you don't have to worry if he abuses that trust. But if, in the end, he made a mistake and the mistake happened by accident, we also can't directly blame him but rather help him find his mistake and fix it together.

It's very rare in the real world for someone to misplace $350k in gambling.
but at least it's just speculation that if that were to happen i would never be the bad guy forcing an accidental person to refund the $350k he lost.
and I'm sure if that happened in the real world, a gambler who can have money at a bet of $ 350k is definitely a rich gambler. so even though he lost $ 350k because his friend accidentally lost his money and I'm sure the gambler still has more money in his pants pocket

involving friends in gambling is very disturbing.
I mean when we gamble online and there are our friends beside us, of course we don't focus on gambling and sometimes these friends prank us while gambling by deliberately asking for jokes continuously and causing the wrong bet to be placed. I've experienced this.
therefore now when I gamble online, I choose a room and lock the door so I can enjoy my gambling. instead of losing money when gambling because of being bothered by friends

Well, to do an all-in seems like something very risky, at this point I wouldn't take a risk like that, unless it's at a time when I have so much money that I wouldn't care if I lose or not. , but really betting and leaving the money like this is something that you have to have nerves of steel, I think that this type of thing should be thought about very well, in which case this is something each person has in themselves to make their decision, to my are things that when one is in a period of emotion one must have a lot of restraint, a lot of control and above all that the reason is the one that prevails, in a casino game one can very easily lose control, that is where our willpower and responsibility.

I learned pretty early on in life to make your own decisions so that if things go wrong you don’t seek to blame others. Sometimes involving others is inevitable in life, and personally this is where I tend to run into problems because nobody is as passionate about your ideas as you. Same thing with your decisions. Nobody has as much on the line for your decisions as you do, so take responsibility for them and don’t look to blame others regardless of the situation.

taking responsibility for our own decisions is the best way to go in life
taking the blame before blaiming others, not complaining, so forth and so on.
makes life much better.

Yolo is something that is common inside casinos. Most of the time, those who are desperate are the ones who practice this thing, thinking that if luck permits them, they will win and recover or win more.

Big difference with OP's hypothetical case. If you do Yolo and a friend change it up, then
the original bet wins. You cannot say what emotions you can have learning that you are
not earning that huge amount of money because of the mistake you didn't commit.

I have seen personalities who put all the money in their pocket in one bet and watch the reactions on thier faces when they lose it. I actually sympathize a bit seeing the regret on thier faces while just watching us play and him on the corner. But you know they are back the next day.  Addiction I guess but they are conscious about what they do.

But you know when I see them win after yoloing, I'm actually amazed at how happy this guy with the absence of strategy can make it if he continues to do it. then you learn he bet it all again. It's just that our neighborhood gambling house is full of unimaginable characters.

Taking responsibility for our own decisions can be a process of how we can act wisely and deal with all situations that might occur. And if we accidentally make mistakes after making decisions, we can also learn from those mistakes. This will also make us understand that the decision-making process continues and will mature us later. We will not complain about what we will receive because we are aware of the risks so we will think about reducing the risks that might occur later.

a little bit of YOLO (you only live once) mindset can be good in life to give us energy and initiative, but too much can kill us
it's better to find some sort of balance between present focusing and future focusing

and always manage risk and avoid ruin

I believe alot of gamblers would have learnt their life time lessons from depending their trust with friends, there's no extent of how you can go without being disappointed by your friend (s) and this has made many people assume themselves to be responsible to the outcome of what they've been through than been influenced by friends which will end up turning a disappointments, trust is only confided on self and not with a third party or friend as the case may be.

I will be angry and disappointed of course but he or she doesn't have the right to move or do anything with it because he or she didn't own it in the first place and I think that shouldn't be valid as it was not my friends bet and it was mine. I just hope that it wouldn't happen to anyone because it would really destroy friendship.

You are absolutely correct, always looking for someone to blame for any and every situation is a sign of low self esteem and lack of confidence in your self and your decision, one have to have confidence in themselves first before trusting their own decisions, and when a person end up blaming some one else for his or her own mistakes, then that shows the person never trusted in his decision and as well lack self confidence.

I also agree that there are times when blaming somebody for some thing that has to do with us is inevitable, but in such a situation, then person should remember the other person he wants to or he's blaming didn't force him to do what he did with a gun pointed to his head.
If one decided to follow another person's advice, the keyword there is "decided" which simply means you were not forced, so what ever be the outcome of following that person's advice, should be on you, if following the advice was a mistake, don't blame the person that gave the advice, but blame yourself for following the advice.

If there are many gamblers, who can learn from what they have got, of course, there will not be many gamblers who experience gambling addiction problems. And if it is trust in a friend, they may be disappointed if the friend has made a mistake and will not be able to trust him again fully. It is difficult to accept mistakes made by other people but only forgiving is what we can do so that he can also learn from mistakes while supporting him so he doesn't repeat them. After all, many of them made mistakes unintentionally, and we should be able to forgive them.

If I am not mistaken this is not allowed at a casino, if you make a bet on a specific number of the roulette no other player is even allowed to touch your bet, so I doubt it will be allowed that another person other than the owner of that money can move the bet, however you never know, I suppose there are some casinos out there that may consider not paying the bet in the case it won a huge mount of money, but in that case you have bigger problems than your friend as you should probably not be in that casino gambling your money away.

Has become a general rule. If in a physical casino, obviously it will not allow someone to take bets that you have previously made. moreover, if this roulette game has been played. something that is highly discouraged, and not allowed. besides breaking casino rules, someone will also have problems with their friendship.

But yes, fortunately this only happened in a movie show. imagine, if this really happened. to be sure, there will be a little commotion at the casino that attracts attention while disturbing the comfort of other visitors. the effect will vary widely, but one thing is certain. a friendship is also at stake because experiencing this unpleasant incident. but again, luckily this is just a movie.

This is why lot of people been saying that it isnt really a realistic scenario which someone could really make out those changes of bets when it is already closed.The dealer or agent wont really be allowing such

alteration which in this case then you would really be that sure that it would really be that final.If in case that this one happens then you can sue them out on why letting other people do changed up their bets.

As for your friend, then you do know his concern which its not bad but if we do speak on something about winning huge then this is where relationship might end up.
You cant just let past that missing 300k win just because of such sudden change.

You must be angry and disappointed when you see him do it but what if he did it by accident and had no intention of doing it?
Everyone can make mistakes unintentionally, moreover, we can also make those mistakes ourselves.
And we can only forgive him and try to come to terms with what he did.
And when we can accept and forgive it, it won't ruin the friendship we have made for a while and it might even strengthen our friendship.

Yes that is the rule, but sometimes if a roulette machine is very busy the dealer can't identify who bet who in the game. If this is a baccarat or blackjack yeah, the dealer can identify it. Probably there is casino that are not going to pay when someone touches you besides the bettor. But this example could have happened in many casinos and it's really up to the individual involved how they are going to settle it, specially their friendship.

But that was not a small amount of money, it might be small to some people, but according to the movie, it was not a small amount to the bettor. Although if I am his friend, I may not just do anything and leave it like that, just because of what you said to be the reason. If I make mistake, I will not become the enemy of myself and I will move on in life, but if a friend make a mistake that could have helped me, that if he did not involve himself at all I would have been lucky, I will always put the blame on him.

trust walks in a delicate balance
it's hard to build up and easy to destroy

it's usually better to keep friendships separate of money matters, imo
even when it comes to business partnerships.

It is a very intelligent way of thinking, money should always be given the value it deserves and it deserves that we know how to use it at the moment of fun, sometimes for just a moment of adrenaline you can lose everything and it is worse, because it would stay out of the game and without money, if the strategy you say is applied it is much better, because only one can afford the amount of money that can be lost and the other amount will always be intact for personal or family expenses, that is knowing how to think and to do things, if a person cannot take these preventive measures very easily, they can become addicted if they lose their money and have no way to support such losses.

Friends and money are the most dangerous things, where trust will be lost if our friends know that we have a lot of money and events often occur in several environments. I've had the same experience, but this is a different bet from what the OP mentioned, where when I bet on a football match, I usually leave the betting money with my friends because at that time I didn't have a smartphone to access the betting site, so I always came to his house to give the betting money.

At that time I won around $500 that was one of the biggest wins, some of the wins I actually wanted to buy a smartphone so it wouldn't bother him anymore and when I asked for my money he just disappeared and no one knows where he is now, even though every time I win I often tipped him around $5 to $10. As a life lesson for me, we can't always trust friends even though I consider them like brothers and this is quite a bitter experience for me.

I agree that trust is something that is easily lost, and that is something I have to deal with everyday as a person with mental doubt at all times. It's not something I ignore, I work on it everyday, but I know that one bad word, one terrible situation, one big mistake and I can lose my wife, my friends, everyone I love, because I said the wrong thing or did the wrong thing.

Not everyone lives with the fear of this, I do, and that is why I would never do something like the video showed, impossible, I would just let them lose their money completely, and that way I would be watching them make a mistake if I have to but I still wouldn't be able to intervene.

This is true. Have you heard the issue with stake last time? Their business partner which I think it was also their friend, sue them. This of course because of the money. Money create problems. The only downside of being solo is it can be boring but this is better than losing a friend.

We can still hang out with our friends once we are done with our business. Some of my friends have disappointed me before but it was from a different thing, not money or gambling. Good thing I can control my temper and I can extend my patience so me and my friends are still solid even until today. Sometimes it only has to do with our emotions. We should think about the consequences before taking an action.

Well, it's natural to be mad if such thing happened but just think the other way around. What if you lose if you insist your choice and your friend just avoided the worst and you ended up being grateful to him.

You'll definitely think of it for a week or even longer but you'll digest it sooner or later as time pass by but if you still can't move on. You are free to try it next time. Pretty sure that friend won't interfere again after what happened.

Basically we never know how lucky he is if he bets and doesn't avoid it. Maybe he could win it, and maybe he would lose because winning and losing are just possibilities. I have heard the same thing from several gamblers, for example if I bet $5K on Saudi Arabia's win over Argentina then maybe I will win $500K at the end of the match.

In fact, I often try friends' suggestions in betting that there is a loss in the end, there is also a win and I thank him, this is indeed winning and losing is just a possibility or it's called luck if a friend guesses and we follow it but we have to be careful that it's luck the rest can be valued which one is better for your own bet.
I thought that what if someone bets on Saudi Arabia maybe he has won 100x from the bet placed, but I'm sure a lot of people will choose Argentina in that match.