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November 10, 2022, 11:42:27 AM
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If it didn't happen that he won this can go as far as causing some problem for the both pals when the bettor will think the friend should think he would be crazy betting with that huge amount and couldn't change the bet. He may say he was high while doing the betting that he should know. What I'm saying is just that he is angry because it happen to be a win but losing he could have realized what help got from the friend.

Eventhough Op said this was just an drama, it can still happen in real life. If that type of thing has not happened before but was only acted, nothing says it can not still happen in future. And you are correct about what you said when it comes to our reactions to winning and losing money in betting. If we stay out or bet small and the bet loses, we are happy. But if we did not play a bet and it wins, we feel sad. This is to show you that man always loves winning but forgetting that when you win, someone loses.

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November 10, 2022, 09:12:03 PM
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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?
what I would do would depend on how it happened. I mean, if I agreed with my friend to place it on a "safer bet" then I'd blame myself but I'd also blame him and be pissed at him, but If my friend suddenly moved my bet to a much "safer bet" at the last second, then I'd extremely pissed at him.
Why would you blame your friend when you also agree on it at the first place? And what if he will put the blame back at you? He have the right to do it. The second thing that you said will also depend. We don't know what if your friend is only concern at you and he doesn't want you to lose big?

But, a friend can also lie and will make that as an alibi while his true intention is to mess with you. He doesn't want you to win big. I don't know if there is a way to prove this but maybe a lie detector test will do? But before we end up there, we need to see our results first. All this will only happen if we win but if we lose then we will not take it seriously.
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November 10, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
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If it didn't happen that he won this can go as far as causing some problem for the both pals when the bettor will think the friend should think he would be crazy betting with that huge amount and couldn't change the bet. He may say he was high while doing the betting that he should know. What I'm saying is just that he is angry because it happen to be a win but losing he could have realized what help got from the friend.

Eventhough Op said this was just an drama, it can still happen in real life. If that type of thing has not happened before but was only acted, nothing says it can not still happen in future. And you are correct about what you said when it comes to our reactions to winning and losing money in betting. If we stay out or bet small and the bet loses, we are happy. But if we did not play a bet and it wins, we feel sad. This is to show you that man always loves winning but forgetting that when you win, someone loses.
No one would really care if someone losses on the other side as long they do really able to win the that what matter most.They dont really care as long they do won but on the time you would really be the one who losses

then it would really be basically be showing that kind of common reaction.In the situation where op had been saying about being altered on the way or on the time you do make bets and suddenly it won
and you have seen that it could give out that huge winning amount the pretty sure you would really get angry.

Relationships could really be make out to be affected whenever we do talk about huge sums of money.People could really change with that.

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November 10, 2022, 09:42:27 PM
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I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

1. This is not losing 350k, it's.. not winning 350k.
2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?

Let's not confuse movies with reality.
Yes. No one is allowed to do that unless you let him do it. Otherwise, you are not losing unintentionally, since you are really bound to lose because of wrong bet. However, not all we see in movies that show about gambling is close to reality. Some are just wild imaginations that are hard to happen in reality. If you’re not a gambler, you will really believe on it, but if you are a pro in gambling, you will know it’s impossible to happen.

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November 10, 2022, 09:49:06 PM
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Is it allowed for anyone to touch your bet without you giving him the consent?
Assuming you give him the consent and you agree with his idea, then probably you can’t blame him on that and losing the opportunity to win big should not be the reason of losing that friend, you still have to assess the situation. This might be a heart broken situation, but that’s how gambling works we can’t take every opportunity to win because we tend to change our emotion from time to time.
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November 10, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
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It is gambling, it can happen real life, but the chance that it would happen is very slim. But we should always advice that betting big comes with big risks.
Highly unlikely that this can happen in real life, no one are allowed to move their bets when it has already been placed whether it's the bettor or his friend. The bet can happen if that how rich you are and you just casually bet $10,000 on a single number however in this case, he is not. Also, no one can bet anymore once the wheel is already spinning not when it's about to stop.

If this scenario happens on real life, his friend will be kicked out from the casino or probably the whole bet he made will be forfeited.

2. This cannot happen because afaik nobody is allowed to touch your chips, even if that one is with you/your friend. An I wrong?
You're absolutely correct.

There are always rules in certain casinos and if you are going against the rules, not only you will be kicked out but probably banned in that casino. But this scenario is impossible to happen in real life since we know once you put that chip, other people are not allowed to moved it. So this is very unlikely to happen in gambling casinos, players are more professional than we expected them to be.
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November 10, 2022, 09:54:28 PM
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It happens somewhere in real life and if that happens to me, I'll have that heavy heart to my friend. But I'll only have that feeling if it's my money that he has moved and chose to bet the others.

Well, if it's not my money and he has moved it then I'll just let it go since it's not mined. But things will change if it's my money that's being moved and that's what I'm gonna have with that replaced bet.

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November 10, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
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This kind of scene is unlikely to happen like someone going all in on just one number. Also, if this happened in real life, I think he (Kevin Hart) will still win the $350,000 as he is not the one who moved those chips or bet and why would the betting be closed after the spin, wouldn't it have been closed when the wheel is already spinning?
Yes, the bet is definitely closed when the wheel starts to spin so there are no moving out of chips, otherwise your bet will be forfeited. But if you are stupid enough in real life, you will do what is impossible and what is against the rules. And you will be moved out in the casino eventually. But since this is very unlikely to turn into reality, no one will certainly do things like this unless if you are not aware of the game and don’t know how to play it either.

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November 10, 2022, 11:48:56 PM
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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?
How safe was the latter bet? Did he win? How much did it amount to? Those are things that'll make me calm down my temper, otherwise I'll just act weird like the way Kevin did ....lol . Gaming in roulette ain't no easy-peasy so if I'd have that chance to win, then I shouldn't be denied of that... that's just a formulated series cus in real life, when the game is stacked, the funds are retracted right?? ....I won't even go with someone like that.
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I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.
This made me laugh my godammmm ass out.!!! Kevin's made a great fun in that content and that's just something that wouldn't hesitate to happen in real life.

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November 11, 2022, 04:26:38 AM
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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

I will probably do the same thing that he did when he got angry with his friend because he didn't follow what I told him to bet the 10K$, although he had good intentions for me. After all, even if I lost at least I still have a lot of money to spare. That's why it hit, of course, if I was the friend who changed his bet amount, I would feel guilty that instead of being rich, he became a stone because of me.

But anyway, everything has a reason, whether it's good or bad, whether it's in our favor or not, all of that God allowed to happen to us for a good reason, in the end, it's just that simple for me, although It's really hard to accept at first.


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November 11, 2022, 04:31:18 AM
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But since this is very unlikely to turn into reality, no one will certainly do things like this unless if you are not aware of the game and don’t know how to play it either.

Moreover, this has never happened in reality, otherwise it would have appeared in the gambling news and newspapers, like other news we have seen lately.

If it had happened, it is understandable that the protagonist would feel like killing his friend, and that he did it for his own good, but I don't think it's worth getting too excited about a plot of a film.

There are always rules in certain casinos and if you are going against the rules, not only you will be kicked out but probably banned in that casino. But this scenario is impossible to happen in real life since we know once you put that chip, other people are not allowed to moved it. So this is very unlikely to happen in gambling casinos, players are more professional than we expected them to be.

So what you say it's better for my argument: not only is it extremely unlikely that such a thing would happen in reality, but it would be impossible according to the rules, so let's not give it any more thought.

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November 11, 2022, 09:41:26 AM
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This kind of scene is unlikely to happen like someone going all in on just one number. Also, if this happened in real life, I think he (Kevin Hart) will still win the $350,000 as he is not the one who moved those chips or bet and why would the betting be closed after the spin, wouldn't it have been closed when the wheel is already spinning?
Yes, the bet is definitely closed when the wheel starts to spin so there are no moving out of chips, otherwise your bet will be forfeited. But if you are stupid enough in real life, you will do what is impossible and what is against the rules. And you will be moved out in the casino eventually. But since this is very unlikely to turn into reality, no one will certainly do things like this unless if you are not aware of the game and don’t know how to play it either.
The bet must have been closed and his friend had replaced the chips so when the result came out, he couldn't get a big win. But he was also lucky because he could win some money and we do not know if that happened in real life, we would break the rules or if it is still allowed. But since it's a video, it looks like it's allowed. Hopefully, it doesn't happen in real life because it can become a fight between friends because they have changed chips without the friend who placed the bet knowing.

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November 11, 2022, 10:38:39 AM
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If this would happen in real and reputed casino, the security guards would move that friend away from the casino, as he has touched other persons chips/money. Once bet is done, only the dealer is allowed to touch money. I even think that this round would be stopped and the dealer will restart the roulette. But, I see no big reason for Kevin Hart to be angry, in the end, he still won and have a positive balance.

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November 11, 2022, 01:28:01 PM
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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

This could happen in real life but if this happen to me I will be in total rage I will be like Kevin Hart uncontrollable and ready to kill  Cheesy but this is no big joke that $350k is enough to retire me and live like a king here in our country, of course this is a movie but in real casino once you made a bet you are the one who can move the bet, there should be no interference from other party, I'd like to watch the movie and see how it ends.

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November 11, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
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One of the reasons why we are adults is for the fact of being responsible enough to make decisions irrespective of friends or family. One wouldn't really put much blame on the friend who influenced your decision because you have a brain and know better. I know the money might be small for you because of the way you put it, but I can only say, what are friends for, if not for inconveniences.
I wouldn't advise for a brawl to breakout, but lessons learned from mistakes as this is one to either expose your friend in true light and for you to know what you can endure.
I would advice myself next time and follow my heart.

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November 12, 2022, 06:39:28 AM
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I wouldn't advise for a brawl to breakout, but lessons learned from mistakes as this is one to either expose your friend in true light and for you to know what you can endure.
I would advice myself next time and follow my heart.

If anyone has a brawl with a friend because he lost a bet, it shows how immature he is. Friendship should not be traded for money no matter what happens. What if he had won the bet would he be quarrelling with his friend? No. The bettor should take responsibility for his loss and not put the blame on someone else. Adults take responsibility when things go bad and not trade blames.

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November 13, 2022, 05:23:30 PM
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He particularly chose Black 15 for $10K on roulette which he could have won $350,000 but a friend took the $10K and replace a safer bet. I know this is likely not to happen in real life. But let's say it did. What would you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4GcK6Dpkk
I was trying to look for Kevin Hart movies on Netflix so I found one. Turns out one scene is an unsatisfying win.

If you do not consider this situation as a simple joke, then I would demand the full winnings from the casino. "Friend" is not a legal concept and he has no right to cancel the bets that you have made, the fact that he took the chips from the table is the problems of the casino/croupier. In fact, the bet was made and after that the responsibility for its safety lies entirely with the casino, which means that the player must receive the full winnings.
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It seems a ridiculous risk to me to bet 10 or 15k on a number? Well there are a lot of strategies in roulettes, and you can bet all kinds of amounts but just to bet 10k - 15k on a number? I don't see that happening soon? And let's not forget that afterwards it is always easy to apply analyzes and conclusions to a situation. The point is that the bet has not been placed, and that seems binding to me. You don't know how it all went, it could also just be a big joke or media attention circus.

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November 15, 2022, 02:14:57 PM
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If you do not consider this situation as a simple joke, then I would demand the full winnings from the casino. "Friend" is not a legal concept and he has no right to cancel the bets that you have made, the fact that he took the chips from the table is the problems of the casino/croupier. In fact, the bet was made and after that the responsibility for its safety lies entirely with the casino, which means that the player must receive the full winnings.
It would be still situational or something that could be argued but you do actually had the point on which it would really be that final or considered to be fixed bet and when someone do really make out some changes and not the bettor itself then they dont really have the rights on doing so.Although this situation is really that something impossible to happen but still a certain friend could really punch up his friend if it turns out
that he had missed out on winning that $300k amount because of that intent on saving him up.This is why its always been that ideal on not to take involvement on someones decisions even if he's your friend.
No matter on how close you are, when it comes to money then everything could really changed up.In overall, this is really an impossible scenario and even myself cant really think off
that it could really be happening.

I don't think there's room for dispute from a legal point of view (formalities) as we have a video (hahaha) of the player making a bet and insisting on it. Outsiders (even if they are his friends) can't cancel it.
Financial actions, including advice, do lead to serious consequences, so it is wise to avoid getting involved in the financial affairs of your friends. The one who fully assumes the consequences of financial decisions should manage the money. Any problems and unsuccessful outcomes can lead to unnecessary quarrels and resentments.
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November 15, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
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Is it allowed for anyone to touch your bet without you giving him the consent?
Assuming you give him the consent and you agree with his idea, then probably you can’t blame him on that and losing the opportunity to win big should not be the reason of losing that friend, you still have to assess the situation. This might be a heart broken situation, but that’s how gambling works we can’t take every opportunity to win because we tend to change our emotion from time to time.

  - Maybe for him, he knows that he will win and his friends don't believe him. And because of the concern of his friends, were worried about the large amount that could be lost, because of what he was going to bet, his partner thought that he should stop his big bet and hinted at a friend who changed it and made it just a small amount.

So I think God allowed that to happen to show that that big gambling win was not really for him. And maybe God is also teaching him something, that's why for me it's a sign to make me laugh at that show a lot, hehehehe

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