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Dear Cryptonote followers

I've started this thread because some of you are discussing this on the Coinmarketcap thread and that's the wrong place for that.

So let's talk here about the pros and cons of this two innovative coins and write your opinion down
why MONERO or BYTECOIN is better

Let's have fun and don't be to personally!

Don't forget we are all in the same boat because everyone of us likes Cryptonotes!

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The real question is not so much about Bytecoin, but of the other Cryptonote coins, which one will acheive widest adoption? The most focus now is on Monero, but Fantomcoin and Quazarcoin are of the same family and have their own unique properties. People should check those out in addition to XMR.

The one that has the biggest community , no scams behind it (underground 80% premine).
But all in all it needs the three devs BBR's - XMR's - BCN's willingness to work on there projects and fix the flaws.

XMR is the leader in my opinion and will prevail.

Quazarcoin has none unique property. It just copies Monero from the start and that with a lag...


XMR for me too because i own some. And i own XMR instead of BCN because of the premine and active community. You may call it whatever you like but noone serious would ever invest in something a few people hold 82% of it...And by few i expect it to be less than 25...


As for fantomcoin i dont really know but why would i need it?

Quazarcoin has a longer block period and a slower release phase. Those make it different.

Fantomcoin offers merged mining and 18.4 million coins vs 184 Billion coins of BCN. Those make it different. Also, less coins means more value per coin.

Those who only own Bytecoin will probably call Monero a copy-and-paste clone. Those who only own Monero will probably call Bytecoin a premined scam. Both descriptions are incorrect although they have some sense of truth in them and I think neither coin is necessarily "better" than the other simply because each one has its own pros and cons.

Bytecoin pros:

They were the first to implement CryptoNote.
Skilled dev team who wrote the code and understand it.

Bytecoin cons:

Poor distribution as most coins were mined by the deep web community.

Monero pros:

Much more transparent distribution.
Benefits from a much more inclusive community.

Monero cons:

Dev team didn't write the code themselves and so are probably less familiar with it.

Like I said all Cryptonote coins will help each other if the devs keep on working.

BCN will be "haunted" forver imo due to the bad distribution whatever the devs do.

I would rather lose my investment on XMR than try to persuade people that BCN's distribution was fair.

As i have written again less coins doesnt mean something has more value. Some diseases are rare but not valuable...Merge mining is good but i see no purpose right now...

As for Quazrcoin much difference such wow

I prefer developers over speculators, so Bytecoin is my choice :) Do you really prefer Darkcoin situation or Bytecoin situation? Developers should have credit. Forks count show it all. I don't think there will be clear winner tho.
BTW nobody knows anything about Bytecoin coin distribution. It's anonymous coin, remember ;) Any premine statement about how many people have those 80% are just nonsense.

Yes, the mysterious distribution is my biggest concern with Bytecoin and it's the reason why I didn't go all the way with BCN but invested in Monero as well. Another fact to consider which I forgot to mention is that the distribution opens the price to possible manipulation (i.e. a BCN whale could seriously crash the price). This is not the case with Monero, of course.

Interestingly, the distribution of Bytecoin has many parallels with NXT's initial distribution and attempts by the community to launch forks of NXT with a wider initial distribution.

Finally, there is the moral question to consider among this all. Bytecoin was the one that started it all, and to have it fail would, to me, represent a failure of open source principles. It is apparent that whoever wrote the code behind Bytecoin and its forks put in a lot of effort into it and so there is also the moral idea that the Bytecoin devs have every right to reap the rewards of their creation.

EDIT/DISCLAIMER: I am invested 50:50 in both BCN and XMR.

Monero obviously.

Bytecoin didnt even have a working Miner for christs sakes...PLUS it has a 82% premine....

The premine can be found on the Bytecoin Blockchain geniuses, just because a coin is anonymous and you can't identify a address to a person, doesnt mean that you cant see that 83% of Bytecoins entire coin supply was mined before it became known.

The Bytecoin Blockchain is proof of the premine..Anyone argueing against it either hasn't checked the blockchain, is a troll/blatantly lying, or is a bytecoin bagholder.

I definitely prefer ByteCoin and duckNote over Monero.

It has to do with the devs, community and the coins' brandings for my choices.  Noob geniuses love to yell "premined LOL!OL!!!!111" at ByteCoin, while the people who actually do their research sit quietly mining and buying with confidence.  I'm not here to convince anyone because it's a lost cause--there are fanboys for every altcoin now, so half of the people "investing" in altcoins have no idea what they are investing in and just jump on the hype train.  That's the case with DogeCoin, that's definitely the case with DarkCoin, and possibly Monero (although I just think their branding, logo, name, and devs are terrible).

I see the Shibisms more and more every day in these coins' communities, and all I can do is laugh or pray for their naivety.  Half of the people here can't even get their numbers straight for how much ByteCoin was mined before the "public release" as they are too concerned with branding it "premined"--a cancerous word in cryptoland.  Most fail to understand that bitcoin is 60% mined already and that most altcoins have a very high percentage of ownership by a very few addresses.

To each their own.  IMO ByteCoin and duckNote are the real deal, in their own special ways.

Is buying with confidence the 6000$ volume for an alleged 2 years coin that is supposed to be well known on darknet ? lold

lold

Oh, hi 12 year old.  If that mindset works for you, that's great.  You're not thinking very far though, and I'll leave it at that.

Oh,hi 6 year old.

It's funny cause Babybobo calls other coins bad, but he likes a coin with a 82% premine(Bytecoin) and a coin that has no dev team, innovation, and was based off Dogecoin which he hates so much(Ducknote). Babybobo is either a troll or someone with a very severe case of dumbass disorder.

*There is no disputing the Bytecoin Premine btw, you can check the Bytecoin Blockchain for yourself and see that over 80% of the total coin supply was mined before Bytecoin was made known.

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FAitIgbF.png&t=541&c=80D5LqttHKA3eg

Disclaimer: I have invested in all of the crytonote coins, including XMR. But given its emission curve, I don't think it's going to hold up as well long-term. Check out the above chart which compares XMR to BTC to QCN. For XMR, roughly 86% will be mined in 4 years. I don't think that's great for long-term purposes. FCN and QCN look better in this respect.

Before all the bashing begins: I said I have invested in XMR. I'm just saying...look at the math.

Wow...stalkers everywhere on here.  Nearly every post I create somebody looks through this account's history to see what I've posted.  How is that post even relevant?  You Monero and DarkCoin fanboys can try to slander me as much as you want, but it's a boring discussion.  I've owned and sold both XMR and DRK, and I even told others when the best point to sell would be and I still got all these trolls on my back.  It's absolutely annoying to talk to you dumbasses.  There is actually a lot to consider with ByteCoin's origin, but you obviously have not looked into it far enough yourself and I'm not doing that DD for an asshole like you.  Thanks for the duckNote advertisement though :D, I'm not wasting any more of my time arguing over the internet...let's get back on topic, creep.

IMO duckNote's aura is similar to DogeCoin's, but also very different.  It is abstract and you probably wouldn't understand, because you don't feel the same sentiment, but yes if you simplify DogeCoin to being "silly" then I could see why you would see duckNote as being "based off Dogecoin".  It's a different style of humor in my opinion though and obviously has much different tech.

 Enjoy arguing with yourselves and creepin' on others.

Yea, because you can definitely feel a coin's "aurora" over the internet..Makes sense.  ::)

I have one question for you and one question only, what drugs are you taking?

How about you read a dictionary, ya dumbass.

Ok, I'll let you continue to feel coin's "aurora" over the internet.

Stay off the drugs buddy..

Doesn't coinmarketcap list bcn as **/significantly premined?

I don't have cable. I love saving money. Between Netflix and this board, I stay thoroughly entertained :)

82% premine by a handful of people before Bytecoin became known by the public.

Check the Bytecoin Blockchain for proof, it's been mined by the same group of people since 2012 when it was released in secret, and it was only made public on March, 2014(this year)

I'd like to see the developers behind bytecoin come forward and destroy the premine in order to make the coin fair. I realize this probably is not going to happen so for me Monero is the winner. I do own some bytecoin, but mostly for short term speculation. I don't see how bytecoin can ever become big with the current issues unresolved. And perhaps it's best this way, I like the name "monero" from a marketing point of view.

I don't own any BBR, FCN, QCN or XDN, I believe in supporting the first fair release with a competent developer team, and that is monero.

Still can't read eh?  LOL okay...enough of this circus trash.  Look again, read again...comprehend again...If you can't even read or understand a common English word and continue to misspell it time after time (after I wrote it and you have quoted it more than once) I don't know what to tell ya ??? (pro tip: "AURA" https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS482US482&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=define:+aura)

ENOUGH.  I get it you're mad that not everybody loves the same coins that you do.  LETS MOVE ON.

Technically it was more of a ninjamine than a premine.

the distinctive atmosphere or quality that seems to surround and be generated by a person, thing, or place.
"the ceremony retains an aura of mystery"
synonyms:   atmosphere, ambience, air, quality, character, mood, feeling, feel, flavor, tone, tenor; More
a supposed emanation surrounding the body of a living creature, viewed by mystics, spiritualists, and some practitioners of complementary medicine as the essence of the individual, and allegedly discernible by people with special sensibilities.
any invisible emanation, especially a scent or odor.
"there was a faint aura of disinfectant"

I'm sure they're talking about tangible things, not virtual items..

Yeah, I think that's a pretty good point. Monero is backed by not only competent developers .. but experienced cryptocurrency developers with years into this even before Monero. Some of them have been here since the same time BCN genesis block was launched. That's not a small thing to pass up or look over.

I can think of one likely CN dev in particular who is suffering because of inexperience in the cryptocurrency field .. but is still a competent developer who knows the protocol nonetheless. It takes much more than knowing a protocol to make this stuff fly. Past experience with cryptocurrencies will win out over knowing one protocol. For all that time it's existed, there was certainly enough time to advance the protocol. They could have been spending time inside this board, but instead seem to have made a cryptocurrency as a side project over the last two years. Now all of a sudden it's some big thing to them and they need to share it? Why not even 6 months after it was released?

If bytecoin fails not failure of open source. 
It was not them that developed the tech it was cryptonote.

Bytecoin is first implementation of cryptonote tech. Perhapse bytecoin was given tech on conditions to make it open source.  I don't know just guessing. Some are giving way too much credit to Bytecoin. 

Looking at Coinmarketcap.com, Bytecoin has a higher market cap than Monero ($8 million vs. $5 million) but it also has 20 times less volume ($10,000 vs. $250,000). Which measure is more important when determining success and which coin would be considered the more successful of the two right now?

Tenebrix was the first scrypt coin. It was also a premine an a fail. First-mover advantage is overrated, ask VHS, HTML, SDRAM or Flash - none of them had first-mover advantage.

Edit: regarding the origin of Bytecoin, read the full story (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6850085#msg6850085). I bet most of you well amazed, even those who think they know.

Edit2: I would like several coins to succeed, not only one. At least for  diversity, I truly believe diversify is paramount for survival. Plus, one can imagine several coins for several uses or community. Dollar and yen are basically the same coin on the technical side but worth a different userbase  -  US and Japan, in that case.

Monero has been the most hyped coin of the year (except DRK)...
It's gotten so absurd that "Hero Members" are claiming it's the first alt they ever bought...
And people on here are claiming that a $5 million cap coin has a "network effect".

But let's look at the numbers...
The first 7 days after listing on Polo Monero averaged 0.00530...
Right now after 6 more weeks of non-stop hype...
And a COVETED MintPal listing...
Monero is trading at..................... wait for it.......... 0.00530

That is not a good sign...
For people that constantly talk of Monero taking out LTC and BTC.

Also, the secondary CN coins like XDN are getting slaughtered (4 sats and $100,000 cap)...
It takes an expert to tell one CN from another...
Yet one is trading at 50 times the price of another.

And the answer is always to attack BCN or people like me...

The core problem is that crypto culture is completely devoid of spirituality...
And a specific Alt becomes an obsession and takes on cult-like qualities...
Complete with abusive Cultic Purity Enforcers like you see in religious cults and THIS THREAD.

For me there are only 3 CryptoNote coins that have reason to exist.

Bytecoin:
Without this coin we wouldn't had this technology available. Great innovaters but a horrible closed room premine experiment.

Monero:
The first Cryptonote clone. Great community, great devs but the coin was rushed by TFT to be first. Still the XMR community developed proper pool software and optimzed code. Great to have this coin backed by oldschool BTCers.

Boolberry:
Someone who understands Cryptonote better then most people think. Solved the slow syncing issue by using the scratchpad and added many tweaks that benefit the blockchain. A true innovator on top of Cryptonote. Monero maybe has the community but Boolberry has proven to be here for a long time.

The rest of all CN coins are just clones and made for a quick buck, dont support them let them die asap.

Was thinking to join either Bytecoin or Monero, but after reading some threads i don't want any. Lately Coinmarket thread for ex. turned into a dump where people insult each other. I wanted to post it there but i was afraid of getting a bunch of random insults even though i didnt do anything. People, please be nice to each other.

The only thing that bothers me about XMR is its suspicious difficulty chart. Several big peaks which are not associated with any event, so it's probably a botnet.

It has been discussed recently that XMR diff peaks coincide with mining trojan activity all over the web - if it will go further this way XMRs future is very questionable.

Monero can be mined by GPU's now. So Botnets(which also was there for Bitcoins beginnings) are much less of a "problem"..

GPU's are much less effective compared to CPU. Unfortunately, GPU mining is not solving the problem.

I think Bitcoin history is irrelevant now since it was 4 years ago and botnet issue (in terms of mining, of course) probably should be resolved by now. I'm not a tech guy tho, so I can't suggest something specific.

Here what I found on the forum

Now there's XMR on Mint and their results don't show on http://cryptvote.com. XMR won with a margin of a few thousand votes, anyway 15,000 bought votes is 15 BTC. (Each 0.001 BTC received will count for 1 vote.)

Dudes threw $8,500 cash on the exchange according to conservative estimates. I'm sure they want to quickly get the cash back making a lot of noise around XMR and creating the illusion of activity. Clear to me that once the price rises on the exchanges so that they can recoup their costs, big stakeholders will immediately sell their coins. This's a classic pump and dump just a little longer than usual.

MONERO DEVZ ARE LITTLE GREEDY MOTHERFUCKERZ WHO WANTZ TO DUMP THEIR INSTAMINE!

known from authorized source

If Monero guys’s skills are not enough to create a decent site how they can create well-working coin??

There are 3 translations on http://www.monero.cc/ (http://www.monero.cc/)... And “we can’t find what you’re looking for.” Nothing.
It doesn’t seem they really want big future for their coin.    
Design…  is absent. This is not enough to make a white paper for your site.      

So:   XMR site sucks.
  
And XMR's bubble will burst very-very soon.

BBR is not a pure Cryptonote coin because it use Wild Keccak.

QCN is able to become a leader if we will view cryptocurrencies like a marathon but not a sprint.

Quiet an alarming thing.

I was waiting they would let it go up to $4 before the dump.

But for some reason they decided to dump their instamine earlier. Nothing bad with that, I also had a chance to mine some. Everybody had. But this topic is strange.

Maybe it is because the original developer of Bitmonero has the idea of relaunching and splitting the blockchain with new community support.

I think it is the best time to sell almost all XMR now. Sad :-[ I expected more organized game.
 
!!! Can sell huge amount of XMR/BMR/MRO whatsoever for QCN or BTC at a special price. Just PM me and we make the deal. Be fast!

Unfortunately the XMR guys got very badly organized recently. And getting worse day from day.

May be there are some internal problems inside the team?
So, what's the plan? 

A lot of noise and chaos and less real work.
But was very enthusiastic start.

No bubble lasts long, it is clear. The question is "what is the good time to quit"?

Who's next taking the challenge?

now I know most of you people are trolls. GPUs are much more effective than CPUs at mining genius....are you that dumb...

I'm working with three different devs and we're pushing code to branches that's being tested daily. There aren't any internal problems, fluffypony is out with rpietila and Peter Todd in Europe right now discussing the future of the chain and engineering issues regarding it.

There are many big things that will be rolled out in the coming months, so stay tuned.

Did you mean A BIT effective?  +50 h/s! It's not "much more effective " at all.

Why does MRO guys like to exaggerate everything?

 I won't fight FUD with FUD  (http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/can_we_please_stop_fighting_fud_fud)

 FUD is commonly used against giant successful companies too  (http://crackberry.com/blackberry-introduces-blackberry-fact-check-portal)

 FUD can be fought with facts  (http://www.crn.com.au/Feature/314129,how-to-fight-the-fud.aspx)

 People will say anything to make themselves look good  (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-to-fight-the-fud/180)

 What is FUD anyways?  (http://modernwebaccessibility.com/en/blog/stop-fud-a11y)

 A better understanding of FUD  (http://www.marketingprofs.com/articles/2013/10310/stop-fud-from-paralyzing-your-marketing)

so much trolling in this thread...

if you guys want to learn things or make money or do both at the same time, it's happening there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.0

There's one thing I don't understand. Why is any of this trolling?

As soon as someone talks about BCN you guys are running with the speed of light to FUD about the questionable devs, premine etc.
BUT, when someone calls bullshit on XMR it's all trolling. What the hell with all the hypocrisy?

You know, I'm usually calm about this whole forum wars, but seriously, this is too much.

Claymore provides virtually no benefits now. So you are dumb.

What do you mean? (Don't write such large letters, if you can.)

Darkota, you are really troll! It does not make sense to explain you anything, but for others, who are interested in facts:

Read this post of Boolberry dev: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg7479014#msg7479014   - it shows that coin mining is pretty well distributed. Moreover, the guy who owns GPU miner is pretty open about it. This was discussed a lot and if it is the only problem of Boolberry, then I am pretty comfortable to invest into it. He made an innovation and innovations are what moves society (and also cryptocoins and boolberry) forward. Moreover - the difference between CPU and GPU mining is not so high if you count also costs (not only mined coins).  And finally - it seems, the miner will be opensourced soon.

For me, the more important issue is botnet friendlines of a coin. Somebody provided interesting information about this and Monero. If I would own XMR, I would check it carefully. Botnet owners are real thieves, who do not hesitate to dump any coin for quick profit. To be honest, I do not know, how is it with botnets and BBR, but I will try to investigate it on my own.

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

Your opinion is highly suspect seeing as how you started a moderated thread called "Litecoin is Dead," then have been deleting every post to the contrary of your absurd statement.

Monero is a sinking ship. First it was XBC, then it was XC, now its XMR. If the rabid flaming trollbox pack attaches itself to your coin, consider it done. Good coins don't need cheerleaders or hired goons. They support themselves with their own integrity.

What do you think, Darkota? That if you delete your original post and paste it exactly the same after my answer to it, will it make your arguments better? It is new level of trolling, but I am not going to play your game. You can be proud to be first person on my ignore list. Welcome!

Ignore DARKOTA he is a troll who PUMPS and DUMPS - Look at his original thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658541.100

Then look here:

 https://bitcointa.lk/threads/litecoin-is-officially-dead.331214/page-5

Troll on indeed:

http://coinmap.org/
www.uselitecoin.com

This thread is starting to show the true TROLL: I have been PM'ing everyone in this thread, some have even joined the Litecoin Talk forum because of this troll so i actually think its ok his lies - everyone is being PM'd this:

'Litecoin is dead'

Look at the original thread - he has deleted more than 40 posts from people supporting Litecoin, he is a troll who pumps and dumps

Btw, guys, where is this idea of 'premine' coming from?

Everyone from the X-Bubble Team repeats it as mantra just because they have less of that?

You show this way the lack of competence.
Or paranoia!
I really enjoyed that 'Intel relaunch' request, just because they did not told us they gonna be a great company. That was neat.

Look, that has almost no effect on Bytecoin brand, but shows you are nervous and don't have your personal plan of development and growth. Or you do?

You still have a chance to gain wide adoption, but look more mature and serious.

Could you please show your plan and milestones and organized team work instead of just flaming on the forum?

Blaming on Microsoft or Intel or Bytecoin is just a fashion for a personal PR and is totally fine, but please focus part of those efforts on creating something really valuable and new.

Good luck and anyways thank you for your efforts! Do your best!

Thank you, Saigonsmokes! That explains a bit.

Yes, that is sad - poor wasting of time in most of the X-Bubble threads.
Poor moderation and chaotic informational support, too much paranoid propaganda.

It was OK in the beginning, but now it's time to do business, guys.
Community is not going to support such a disrespectful approach forever.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin

My researches show, that BCN didn't have even a website before late 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

Also the Git repository was not there before:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commits/master?page=2

So this is very suspicious and should not be supported AT ALL.
Even IF they started 2012 they didn't let ANYONE participate, because they didn't go public.

But I doubt, that the coin existed so early. I think (as I already said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7425175#msg7425175 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7425175#msg7425175)), that they probably even faked the blockchain timing easily like this:
- they rented a bunch of computers
- set the time to 2012
- created a time changing script or something similar on all of their computers, so that the time passes faster
- started the coin in november 2013 secretly and mined it secretly for a few months
- then they announced the coin in february(?)

People are screaming about 1% premine which I can't really understand, because the programmers should have their coin, because otherwise they maybe won't support it enought. I am even fine with 5%. NEM takes 25%. It is still OK.
But 80% is just an impudence. And I can cry about the people supporting it to a market-cap of 10 million...

I was mining bytecoin and monero both in march. I just didn't know of the premine and didn't pay attention about "2012" at that time and was unsure, what to do.
I had a small computer and a big computer. The big one had about 4 times the hashrate of the small one.
As monero was said to be the second one I was mining bytecoin with the big one and monero with the small one.
I was mining 200000 BCN and about 65 XMR (I think it was about 2 weeks or something).
200000 * 0.00000010 = 0.02 BTC
65 * 0.004 = 0.26 BTC
(Prices at time of writing)

keep in mind, that:
- monero has about half of the market cap now (after the crash, before it was also about double)
- i used the 4 times faster cpu for BCN!

If BCN would have been "fair" with their launch, there would have been no monero, and I would have mined BCN alone and the marketcap would even be higher due to no FUD and so on.
So I probably lost AT LEAST 1 BTC (4*0.26 BTC - 0.02BTC) in that short time because of not being able to participate and mine the right shit. Thank you BCN.

Satoshi's plan being sad about too few Bitcoins left for him? Or Federal Reserve?! Secret 5 ?

So actually you've shown there was no premine.

Deep mine by developers and early adopters is OK.
It is OK because it is a first coin and they probably did not like to fail with the first implementation.

And you call this premine which is actually wrong.

I can imagine how many technical issues can occur before going public.

But is that really important at all on a big scale as a user or inverstor? Nope.

The eventual exchange rate in a year or two or three - that is important.
 
Today You can buy THE FIRST next generation coin at a low price. That is great.

I think it will be supported and adopted for larger goals.

you don't need to test that for that long time. 2 months are WAY enough. And even if they want to test longer.
There is no need of keeping a beta blockchain. If they didn't want to premine, they could have started the coin from the beginning.

As I already said, its ok, if they have a lot. But this is nearly all...
I wouldn't even say anything at all, if they write officially on their website, that they premined.
But they pretend to be fair! Thats the problem!
A lot of people don't know it and are supporting it, what they wouldn't do, if they knew it.

IMO this dispute will continue forever since there isn't really another comparable example of a coin that remained under the radar for so long except Bitcoin.

I've already made my decision about its premining after lots of statements that were written in BCN thread and I suggest you to do the same.

  Why don't you go somewhere else?
Everybody knows that you came here to FUD bytecoin .

IGNORE DARKOTA  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7428414#msg7428414

Who did you tell that? Another "certified" whistleblower?

I will agree with you only if phrase "active dev team" means "guys who can only copy other techs".

I don't understand where do you get such information?

 If you didn't know about Bytecoin after its launch, then it's your problem. A lot of people still doesn’t know about Bitcoin.

This doesn't prove that the coin was premined

Although its fairly easy for any multicellular organism to understand why Bytecoin is premined or instantmine or whatever here is a link too:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin

I don't know if you're trolling or naturally ________


The bytecoin blockchain shows the premine my friend...It was mined since 2012 by a small group of people, and has been mined In secret by that same group, for around 2 years before it was announced to the public. That small group of people premined over 82% of all bytecoins.

The Bytecoin blockchain is proof and shows everything...

The group mining bytecoin kept it purposely hidden, since it was released in secret..

I would suggest that you guys read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg7126913#msg7126913

IGNORE DARKOTA - I was thinking it's a bot but he just FUDing BCN for money


Even though, he use the same phrases.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665950.msg7643183#msg7643183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7633440#msg7633440

VOTE FOR BCN !!!

BCN THE FIRST CN-BASED COIN WITH THE DEVELOPERS TEAM WHO WERE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT API AND WHO PROMOTE CN TECHNOLOGY!!!



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Monero does not deserve to be compared with Bytecoin. Seems like the only two things Monero developers are able to do are copying and then pasting. What an impressive set of skills huh? Also Monero-supporters are well-known for spreading fud on this forum.

Oh, by the way, have you seen Monero's "official site" ? Looks like a five-year-old made it.

Cryptonote devs confirmed that BCN has community from the beginning, not as big as nowadays , but still there was a bcn community who mined it.
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10

show me ANY page that exists before November 2013... the bytecoin.org is proven to be not existent!

Legit. Thread is over.

Damn. Interesting, how much he earned by stabbing our lovely community in the back?

Another kid who are ready to repeat someone's words without giving any proofs. Good luck, young man, your opinion will not be listened.

No one but a dumb cunt would invest in a currency thats owned by some group on the darknet you aspie.

Well, revision history shows that Bytecoin wiki page has been around since 2012
Prooflink: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/index.php?title=Structures&action=history

What do you mean, hes getting paid for that?

Monero has a ton of bugs and nobody is able to fix them because - guess what -  Monero developers have no idea what thay are doing. I2P integration into CryptoNote? Who told you that would be a good idea??

Long  story short, i find Bytecoin more reliable.

Bytecoin devs didnt even have a working miner, until people from monero fixed it For Bytecoin. They also copied code from Monero and Boolberry and guess what happened? It ended up with people who sent Bytecoin, losing it because of a bug with transactions. Bytecoin has 3 commits on github. Monero has 88.

Ducknote is better than Bytecoin, at least it wasnt premined 82% by a few people and it had a working miner from the start lol!

Lying wont help that 82% premined coin tjkurtisss...

the page www.bytecoin.org shows also entries from 2012 that were not there last year:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

so your link does also not proof, that this page was availabe. I am talking from ANOTHER page but the fakey bytecoin.org.

Bytecoin obviously.
Bytecoin developers are first who made API, so they really move technology!
Only Bytecoin can be first currency which will be in extensive use.

You realize that without an IP solution any blockchain anonymity is rendered meaningless right?

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Best proof imo. Since now all XMR users should keep silence

BCN is premined so much,so nobody is willing to play with BCN,I suggest xmr and bbr.

Any prooflinks? Any thoughts? Or you are just going to repeat somebodies words?

They will never give you any proofs just because they haven't them. They are scams (just like XMR devs) and they want to cheat a huge number of people.

If some idiots are not willing to play it doesn't mean that nobody is willing to play ;)

Some? Better to say "one". Don't want to offend anyone, but some of BCN-haters are so dummy x)

They've just learned one simple sentence "BCN is premined" and repeating it over and over again. I'm sick of it. This scams should stop their activity! 

In my opinion BCN have all chances to win this race

Can you explain what you are talking about?

Of course i can. The only argument that currency is premined without any proofs can't let XMR win this race. That's exactly what i was talking about.

And that's all? That's why one currency should be "number one"? Because of XMR users have no good arguments?

No, it's not. I said that BCN has a chance to win this race because XMR fans are don't know what they talking about. But if you want to talk what coin should be under "#1" tag you can open another topic. But this race, imo, can't be won by Monero.

There is no proof. There is evidence:

1. No sign of existence on the internet before November 2013.
2. The network hashrate was largely between 1 and 5 KH/s for its existence before around March 2014.

It is not necessarily a premine, but it is a extremely disproportionate distribution of coins.

When there was a discuss about this question in CoinMarketCup topic somebody put a link to the BCN website. If i'm not mistaken, there was an announcment (2012) about BCN launch.

No there wasn't. There was no announcement. It was released in secret and purposely hidden, I and many others have checked the archives for anything related to Bytecoin and found nothing

Lying makes you seem even more pathetic PizzaTraveler...

Is it necessary to put a finger on a "capslock" button? I'm kiddin. But large-scale font is looking stupid too.


And it's also funny that you compare Bytecoin to bitcoin, but not to Monero. Maybe XMR is premined?

Really? Only 7% of all XMR's have been generated, it has not been premined, neither have any other of the cryptonote coins been premined, except Bytecoin which has been premined 82%

Whoa whoa whoa, slow it down. I said that there was a man who gave us a link. I'm not a liar. Don't be so rude, kid. Your temper just like your intentions - quite sinister.

BCN is great. Even gmaxwell (Greg Maxwell) is has BCN wallet. This matter a lot as he does not invest in coins with a bad reputation

Monero for sure, why would anyone with half 10% a brain want a coin that has been mined in secret for over 2 years with over 80% of the total maximum coins in the hands of those people?

I think the person behind darkota is definately getting paid for hours spent on this forum. I would troll for money too! Where can i get this job?  :D

So according to Monero fans logic we all guys are idiots, dumbasses, etc. How cute.
Those who are able to read more than Monero thread and troll posts, please, do some research and you will find out some interesting facts about the heart of the Monero team and maybe something about user thankful-for-today.

Whats wrong with thankful for today?

If you dont like XMR, go with BBR.

One thing everyone knows for sure is that BCN is 80% premined and that it has no volume and that its devs crashed their own coin trying to implement a fix from XMR's dev.


If you support this currency, either you are an idiot, either you are a BCN shill, either you were scammed into buying BCN and now you have to scam other people in order to get rid of your shitcoins.

Seriously, there is no worse investment than BCN - any shitcoin is better!

There is nothing wrong with him, I think.
He just separated from other Monero developers because of reasons I don't know.

Well, that doesn't matter what misunderstandings they had that caused his leaving but after he has left Monero other Movero devs began to FUD about BCN.

That's not true, I don't know what you get out of spreading lies. He simply left because he wanted to, other developers came in and he decided to step down.

BCN has to be the worst cryptonote coin there is btw. Even ducknote is more advanced.

DARKOTA IS MONERO STOOGE


And he has troubles with maths. So, i guess his monero masters underpay him.

What I don’t like about Monero is their team which doesn't looks like a team of pros.  They often complain about other coins’ faults instead of making their own coin better.

I don't advocate Monero
I simply despise scam coins with scam premines like Bytecoin.

Monero is way better,No Premine and devs are active plus huge community

Just some simple market facts:

BCN:

24-hour Volume: 6 (coinmarketcap.com)
Only 6 buy orders and 12 btc of support (on polo, no other exchange accepts it)

XMR:

24-hour Volume: 187
Plenty of buy orders and 118 btc of support on poloniex (and now add mintpal/bittrex/hibtc/bter)

Nobody wants BCN. It's no wonder that their devs have to buy hero member's account or make countless newbie account in order to hype their coin. How else would they able to unload their 80% (pre)mined coin?

MONERO = PUMP'N'DUMP (because monero "devs" has to return money they wasted to it)

Do you really think somebody spent $8000 for Mintpal voting just because he is kind Santa?
Do you think they rent enormous amounts of  amazon servers and botnets just for fun? LOOOOOOL

PUMP! PUMP! PUMP! AND DUMP. Dump is coming!

What's the prize? They're both dead on arrival. Bloat bloat bloat.

This isn't even a competition. Monero's long term competition is Bitcoin with Side chains, the CryptoNote war is already over.

The pool bloat is now over, the Monero chain grows about 40mb per week. This is a good deal for an anonymous coin.

So it's not "bloat, bloat, bloat".

Do some research and you'll be smarter for it.

It seems to me that before entering a race, your vehicle should at least be able to move.


Just wait for your tx to be included. That'll work well. You guys are a riot. Also I was not referring to pool bloat, but denomination bloat. Your blockchain will be many times larger than a standard blockchain. Can you say centralization?

Actually no.

Monero is now only growing at double the bitcoin blockchain rate.

20mb vs 40mb per week.

So you're either saying that it's not worth having an anonymous coin if the blockchain is double the size per week than Bitcoin, or you just have no idea what you're talking about.

Except we are moving, and fast.

You're either misinformed or just spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable.

I already explained to you in another thread that masternodes will be trustless through encrypted data. There will be no way for masternode owners to unmask transactions through collusion. Darkcoin made serious improvements to Coinjoin, Gmaxwell's comments refer to the old version. Point number 4 is abject bullshit because there are already users of Darkcoin who are not criminals. Also I'm glad if the devs have alot of Darkcoin. I wouldn't support the project if they didn't.

Interesting.

I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all.

I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar.

The coinjoin concept is trustless by default. How does encrypting data make a difference? You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have extensive cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream?

Incase you didnt know, Monero, Boolberry, Bytecoin, they all have GUI wallets. Maybe you should go and use them instead of making up lies.

Darkcoin "fanboys" should never try to hate on other coins, cause the amount of deceit Darkcoin has gone through, is unbelievable. Darkcoin's own devs freaking instamined their coin 50%...

If the data is unencrypted, and an entity owned a large number of nodes, they may be able to unmask a small % of transactions. Encryption solves this issue.

Bitcoin can't be used by a moron at the moment. You need a reality check.

Just saunter on over to the respective threads of each of those coins and watch the incessant barrage of crippling issues that people deal with on a daily basis. It makes for good comedy.

Considering that I've taught people that are computer illiterate how to use Bitcoin, I'd disagree.

Hmm, I recall that Darkcoin forked multiple times when it first tried going into RC3, then it tried a second time...and Failed again.

You shouldn't be talking about issues Lmfao.

The fork caused issues for a few hours. Your coin(s) are an issue unto themselves. It will take months and months of development effort to bring them to something that can be considered a beta.

It doesn't, because if you own a large number of nodes, you can map out the in's and out's of all your nodes and build up a reasonable graph of connections between your own nodes. The fact that it is encrypted makes no difference.

I have been reading the Darkcoin forums, and I see this exchange over and over again:

"It doesn't matter if someone owns a large amount of masternodes, anonymity is already good anyway"

"STFU, once we get the masternodes having no idea what they are transacting it'll be ok"

I am paraphrasing here, but the Darkcoin followers are not asking real technical questions, no one is running models of the masternode network or offering mathematical reasoning behind their fantasy.

A fool and their money are soon parted...

The amount of ownership of the masternode network is of the highest importance, and the technology behind making the masternodes have no idea what they are transacting may not even be possible.

Show me the people you have taught to use Bitcoin, and I will teach them to use Monero.

Monero might even be easier, as you don't have to deal with more than one receiving address.

So far, Monero and Boolberry's bloating problem has been solved, through eliminating dust from the pools. That was the main issue.

Darkcoin's issue, is the 50% instamine, the centralization of Masternodes through one entity in the future, and the name Darkcoin, which is and will always be affiliated with Dark activities.

There's also how Darkcoin anonymity is a joke compared to others, because it uses coinjoin. and Much more, It's kind of funny, that you resort to lying BrilliantRocket to protect your asset, Darkcoin.

You are the one who is lying if you can't admit that CN denomination causes massive bloat.

Did I deny that? Oh yea you're just lying again.

It provides anonymity, but for ex: Monero's blockchain is only 2x bitcoins right now, and it provides the highest level of anonymity for a cryptocoin atm.

It's funny how you keep going back to "blockchain bloat" as if that's a factor is a game-killer.

What is a game-killer, is Darkcoin's 50% instamine by it's own development team, it's trivial coinjoin based anonymity, it's easy to centralize- Masternode system, which detracts from the miners, since owners get 20% of mine coins from blocks, as well as it's name Darkcoin which will always be affiliated with illegal activities.

That's a nice coin you fanboy over. (sarcasm)

Drawingthesun, so through massive collusion there may be a chance of unmasking transactions. The reality is that you're naive to think CN would hide you from such an entity. They already have backdoors in your hardware/firmware, so isn't it a moot point? If they were really willing to put in the effort to deanonymize certain transactions, you can rest assured that no perfect solution exists. Darkcoin affords a high degree of privacy, which is sufficient for the majority of people looking for "anonymous" transactions.

this incessant squawking about drk is completely off-topic.  why not start a drk vs cn war thread if that is what you want?

+1

Why's there 2  BCNvsXMR war threafs and no war thread for DRK and CN-based coins??

I am pretty sure that all CN-based coins community would be interesting in listening to DRK community's view on CryptoNote  :)

What the hell happened to this thread??!!! :o

I just read the last few pages and would also like to know what's happened here! Not to use a soundbyte but really guys, what are you hoping to achieve with all this? Surely making peace not war is preferable to bashing - what will that do for any coin's success or the community image? Both are vitally important, I'm sure you wouldn't disagree there.

Finally we got a normal person here.

Peace, brother. IMO the best way to understand what coin is better is to wait a year or two and see what has happened to both.

Good point, i'm staying with Bytecoin.

Me too. I was in love with XMR, but last two weeks literally convinced me to change my mind. It's become clear for me that XMR devs are scams

Seems like somebody did some research. Nice to see you here. Welcome to BCN community!

People just like to fight about different things. How about not starting any more war threads???

I'm in! Because i don't want to see how XMR scams are doing their dirty job.

I would go with BCN. Never go with the clone.

You are smart guy, aren't you?

I can't say the same about XMR scams. They just learned only one phrase and can't stop repeating it.

Darkcoin's Flaws:
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1) Darkcoin has a 50% instamine by it's own developers during launch, as the block reward was set to 500, and there was no windows wallets/miners. Evan, the developer, and Internetape, the other developer, instamined over 1million Darkcoin's within 24 hours.

2) Darkcoin's name itself, Darkcoin, will always be affiliated with illegal activity like the Darkweb, Drugs, etc, and the name itself ensures that Darkcoin will never reach anything close to mainstream acceptance.

3) Darkcoin's "anonymity" is based on coinjoin, it simply mixes users coins around, making it harder to track it. However, if even the slightest taint if found when mixing the coins, an investigator will be able to deduce who sent what and who received what. The maker of coinjoin, Gmaxwell, deeply criticized Darkcoin since it's coinjoin based "anonymity" is basically a joke.

4) Darkcoin's mixing system/coinjoin relies on something called Masternodes, Masternodes are nodes that are set up by people, anyone can set one up, and Masternodes are the things that mix the coin around. Masternodes also present many risks besides giving trivial "anonymity", if all masternodes are owned by one individual, he will be able to "de-anonymize" Darkcoin and see all transactions clearly.

5) Darkcoin's Masternode Payment system has forked the network many times, and has failed Twice in the effort to pay the owners of Masternodes.

6) Darkcoin's Masternode/Darksend system is closed source, so that means the developers could be stealing coins, or doing any other malicious things, and it will remain unnoticed

7) The Masternodes can always be DDOSed, effectively shutting them down, if the majority of Masternodes were taken offline(they are mostly hosted on Amazon servers), then Darkcoin's trivial anonymity will completely shut off

8) There are many many other flaws, it will take up too much space to list, so I've listed the main ones.




Bytecoin's Flaws:

1) 82% instamine by a small group of miners over the course of 2 years

2) Bytecoin devs are shown to be incompetant, they recently tried copy/pasting code from other Cryptonote coins and it resulted in their own codebase getting even buggier than it really is, resulting in users loosing their coins when they sent them in a transaction.


What do Darkcoin and Bytecoin have in common? They were both hugely unfairly mined(instamined/premined), with Darkcoin having a 50% instamine at it's launch by it's own development team, and Bytecoin having a 82% premine over the 2 years it was kept secret by a very small group of miners.

Lol ! Looks like trolls have come back ))

Darkota , there is no stupid people here to listen to you, and even large font won't help you to fool anybody.

so fed up with fuds. isn't it better to stop blowing upon BCN?!!

Indeed, it's time to stop disputing, every body has their own view on BCN and if there is people who'd like to mine it, why not?

BTH, I mine Moneta Verde and think it is great coin. Better than Fantom.  ;D

With what coin you mine Moneta Verde?

Bytecoin has a large group of miners. Just BCN developers doesn't spend much time to promote coin as they are more interested in improving it technically

Darkcoin has active development.  IMO, we will have to wait and see if the privacy is good as CN-based coins.
So, don't waste your time on Darkcoin and mine Bytecoin  :)

I merge mine Moneta Verde with Quazar coin  :)

LOL

https://i.imgur.com/bEiMAjP.png

Look at the right-hand column and rethink your fucking strategy.

You know how people say rofl.

I literally almost fell off my chair laughing.

BCN devs are greedy. They mined 80% BCN before releasing to the public. Biggest premined coin that has ever known  :'(

Noone wants to invest in such coins.

i love bcn

Is it still an open question? the answer is obvious.

You like to intrigue. and what is the answer?

There is no intrigue. Bytecoin of course! they have the best team of developers.

As I know cryptonote technology is a son of Bytecoin developers. And what can you say about monero?

If you BCN supporters aren't all alt accounts (which I highly doubt because it's almost all new accounts) don't you see the problem with it being premined for over 82%?

If you don't see the problem with that then you probably won't see the problem until 1000 BCN = 1 satoshi.

I don't give a shit what happens with BCN but I do know it will all end in tears except for the developers, just don't ever say people haven't warned you.

Dont get fooled by "stats" numbers. Not that many people mine XMR, they just use botnets. Look here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639375.0

LOOKS LIKE MONERO IS TRYING TOO HARD  ;)

It's important to me to learn the truth.
Searching through the web and reading some threads on bitcointalk have finally bore fruit and now I know what's happened to BCN.

You've made the best decision ever. It's right that you are interested on finding out the truth by yourself.

I am curios will this dispute ever end ?  :D
It's going to become permanent to argue which coin is better

It has already ended...

What do the left and right hand columns represent? Which one is the total network hash rate?

The right column is the network hash rate although it is out of date. Recent numbers are about 17m for XMR and 870k for BCN.

I'm not sure what the left column represents but my guess is that is a screen shot from a pool so it is probably the pool hash rate.

Wow, kids started to use pics with letters and numbers... Congrats!

But they can't learn some new phrases... your repeating made me sick guys

Yeah. And after everything they will call you a scam. Classic XMR trolls...

After all changing in prices (BCN and XMR of course) i can't hear all those guys who were screaming about Bytecoin's weakness...

That's because Bytecoins developers are good. Reall good. They are doing their job and you can see the result.

You can only guess because nobody knows from where this scams took the picture.

That's why you called them scams, yeah?

BCN looks dead to me. No buy support. Extreme selling pressure on Poloniex. We don't need to mention about BCN any more. The candidate to compete with XMR is BBR - BoolBerry

It was already dead in the eyes of people with half a brain.

I guess now even the BCN trolls/shills are selling their coins, nah probably not and they are likely to still be bagholders 1 satoshi = 1000 BCN given how persistent they are :D

In terms of volume XMR is killing BBR by a huge distance and it probably will stay like this for a while...

This isn't the case.

Monero has several long term competitors that could eventually ruin us if they do everything right. (Doing everything right is hard!) Boolberry is not one of them.

Boolberry is offering Litecoin over Bitcoin functionality where little changes are being hailed as revolutionary. It's the exact same situation I remember with Litecoin, the POW algo, the four times faster transactions, etc... Like I have said many times, if Litecoin overtakes Bitcoin most of the money will leave CryptoCoins for good. The same goes for Boolberry, if Boolberry overtakes Monero it's a signal to the market that no CryptoNote can hold value due to fear of competitor with small changes. If BBR overtakes XMR most of the money will leave CryptoNote and never come back, you'd be a fool to invest after something like that happens.

Anyway, Boolberries and Bytecoin are not a threat, Monero's longterm competition are coins that offer a substantially better system.

Here they are:

Bitcoin The big baddie of the Crypto world, if the development team started reacting instead of being safe, we might have to worry. However I can't see this happenening, and as the value of a Bitcoin increases the willingness of the Bitcoin development team and Foundation to make daring changes becomes less and less.

Conclusion: It's too risky.

Zerocash The anonymity functionality is quite powerful, however the trouble is it's almost certainly going to be screwed up as someone will have copied the initial accumulator instance/variables and thus will have unlimited mint power. This multicomputation might not even be possible (or it might be years later when it's discovered that their is a way of undoing the giant anonymous computation they seek to use to create the accumulator)

Conclusion: It can't be trusted.

Ethereum They may be able to build an anonymity (ring sig?) layer on top of their turing complete blockchain, however it might very well be much less efficient than a native ring signature currency.

Conclusion: Watch this space, but don't be too afraid of an Ethereum based anonymous competitor.

Completely agree. I've also been saying that...for years.



Less true simply because of how young the CryptoNote space is overall; it's only been (effectively) in existence for 4 months, so one coin overtaking another is not of the same import (yet) as if bitcoin got overtaken by a tweak-coin (litecoin). That said, I largely agree with your analysis.


Yup.


Yup.


Probably, though there's potentially some clever way this can be solved. Additionally, if it's "solved enough" (ie, enough people are convinced there's an exceedingly low probability that someone has or could-have saved the initial vars), the hype around Zerocash, plus its theoretical technical superiority (if the initial vars are indeed destroyed) could cause it to be successful.



I think it's somewhat likely that early Ethereum will experience a bunch of blockchain shenanigans and have to "reboot" or "rollback" a few times before things are worked out, if it ever proves successful/viable in the first place. Such a process could take years. That said, the notion of a functional and secure Turning-complete chain is too good to not explore, so I'm indeed watching.

Might be a tough time for Bytecoin right now but, you know, this can happen to any coin.

Wow, comments up there are.... amazingly ignorant. Monero supporters started celebrating waay too early.  :D

Where are we celebrating? We are fighting for our coin, it's really that simple.

Many Monero supporters never supported an alt coin before, we see something great in Monero.

But please, what scamcoin would you prefer us to be buying?

I'm sorry, but a "scamcoin" must be something you have already bought and now trying to "fight" for it. 

The only obvious scamcoin in this discussion is Bytecoin.

The market had already decided that long ago, Monero is establishing higher lows after rallies while BCN is slowly dying as more people learn themselves that it's a huge premine scam instead of listening to all the (paid) Bytecoin trolls/shills.

Also BCN volume is pathetic, between 0.5-1% of Monero's. There is absolutely no need for Monero users to "fight" in this discussion because Bytecoin dug it's own grave the second the premine began.

Bitmonero was announced 11 days before Boolberry. Bitmonero was launched 4/18. Bitmonero was taken over around 4/24 and renamed Monero. Boolberry was launched 5/17. Both were forks of Bytecoin. Portraying BBR as an XMR fork with minor differences is not just misleading but a lie.

Both BBR and XMR were launched to correct perceived shortcomings in Bytecoin.

And now you're just contradicting yourself. No need to "fight" in this discussion? Then why are you here?


Anyway, Im really sorry for those who got fooled by Monero trolls. :(

I saw an interview with vitalik buterin who mentioned monero using ring sigs and that they were very promising or something similar, he seemed more interested in it than like ethereum's gonna take it head on. Anyhow, cryptonote tech deserves to survive long enough to give ethereum a run for its money at least.

personally, I think both bcn and xmr could do with a lot more publicity to really get them going, as could cryptonote technology.. and it's not like ethereum's gonna be short of publicity anytime soon.

Monero is winning and will win the race. 80% Premine of bytecoin will never let it grow.
Monero Volume 24h $ 312,868   
Bytecoin Volume 24h  $ 2,225     :P

Haha you're funny mate, if you can read you can see I just stated facts.

Poloniex just replaced their LTC markets with XMR markets:

https://www.poloniex.com/press-releases/2014.07.23-Poloniex-Welcomes-New-Monero-XMR-Markets


So again, there is absolutely no need to "fight" because it's so obvious.

I truly find it a shame that people got fooled by Bytecoin trolls/scammers but you can't say they haven't been warned many times and as always they should do their own due diligence before buying a coin.

Are you even competent enough to claim Bytecoin is premined? No, you're not. Then stop saying that.

Typical empty argument by a (paid) Bytecoin shill.

Everyone is competent enough to claim that, because it's a simple fact, you can't ignore that lol.

Are you competent enough to post on a forum? No, apparantly you're not. Then stop posting.

I really wonder if you guys are all getting paid by just posting some stupid stuff that makes absolutely no sense.

I've never seen anybody present a legit PROOF of that simple fact.

I've also never seen anybody but Monero trolls claiming Bytecoin is premined.

A conclusion inevitably comes to mind...

Well that's not true at all.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin

He already knows that Bytecoin is 80% premined but he is holding too many Bytecoins to deny that  ;D

This is quite an undynamic argument. Whatever happened to championing the technology behind these currencies? Without development they're both going nowhere, and the devs have gotta be on the ball with finding innovative ways to apply cnote regardless.

By making assumptions of other people being trolls, you yourself start looking trollish. But I'm not accusing you guys in any way, because that's what it would be: just assumptions..

Those aren't assumptions, bytecoin is using fake accounts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg7505638#msg7505638

You cant get better proof then someone like onemorebtc even admitting that he sold his account that is now used by bytecoin.

No need to argue right now... We will only be able to tell  who is the winner after some time. What is happening to Monero today is a good pump. What's gonna happen next? Dump? or success?  We can't tell.

hey, at least something is happening :P

I'm not sure one account's enough to assume a rotten apple though to be honest, and of course proving the dev's involvement is another thing.
Agreed, arguing wasn't what I intended.. but somehow there needs to be some news soon that isn't conjecture - like for example that thread that appeared earlier about difficulty flaws, hope it doesn't give people the fear.

A brief exlanation of why this discussion is pointless and... stupid.
Apparently none of these two is perfect. Stop repeating the same statements, let people make up their own opinion. Back in the days i was fortunate enough to never come across a thread like this one (or maybe they didnt even exist). So i was able to think and make choices . And i chose Bytecoin and i dont regret it.

Agreed, but really it shouldn't be about choosing at all - the coins themselves are somewhat means to an end, it's the technology behind them that really matters. That's what a) is going to survive and b) has the potential to spawn all sorts of reincarnations which will have the support and knowledge behind them to go further and be more successful.

Claiming that a coin is using fake accounts is a bit of a stretch. There are many shills around the forums and attempting to attribute them to one coin or another isn’t going to get you far – there are people that try to sabotage other coins by doing just that. Not to mention there are backers of coins that may purchase accounts; it doesn’t mean that the coin’s developers are the ones doing it.

BCN is being loaded by XMR insiders now as a lottery type pick from 33 satoshis it's a no brainer wayyy more upside to Bytecoin :-D weeeee


https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bcn


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_!_ >.> hodl BCN gentlemen!

BCN vs XMR => a disproportionate comparison  ;) ;)

I realized Monero is scam as soon as I downloaded their wallet