Bitcoin Forum

My interest in the internet is nothing more than testing my abilities as a penetration tester, with little or no knowledge of the victim. If you think you have thought of everything, I will create that which you never thought of.. just to prove it can be done.

I read how bitcoin is unstoppable.. wrong.

Everything required to intercept bitcoin payments is in place today, and almost worldwide. You can laugh now, but by the time this short post is finished you will realise the truth.. that bitcoin WILL fail, and not of it's own accord, but due to the fact that it is indeed a threat to any and all established currencies of the world, and hence a threat to those countries security.

Why better testers cant see this is beyond me.

First, create laws requiring interception of all traffic at the ISP level.

Second, lets give it a fictional name, like 'No Shitty Attacks' or NSA for short.

Place 'NSA Killbox' between ISP and the world. Switch to record mode.

This means A box between YOUR isp, and the rest of the world. Nothing you can do about this.

Linux users probably think they are cool and can bypass this.. no they cant. They think they can use TOR or some other ip spoofing method.. THIS is an illusion. Yeah it hides your ip from other end users, but YOUR isp has YOUR ip, period. Notice we are all given static ip's now? These are postcoded. Geo tagging is applied to ALL packets leaving YOUR pc at the ISP level, they can now decide where to send ALL packets using strict filtering rules.

When it's decided bitcoin is a threat to the security of any MAJOR country, they can force the isp to re-route p2p traffic to a dns dead end. At this point they can be clear and say, you want passed here, your paying for it.. This is how to tax bitcoin.

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

To all dodjy faucet owners.. lets see what your worth now that this is in print, it was implemented 4 years ago here where I live.. notice your new security? Made in Scotland.. go on, ask Richard.. B

Are you high?

No, just noticing a distinct difference in bitcoin norms.. and how it is possible that these norms are in fact created by those box's..

Edit: Why does everyone think I'm stoned?

I just got so fed up of scammers lately that I thought I'd hit them in their pockets.. where it hurts..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/north-korea-clandestine-tv-aerials-banned-programmes


Point is.... it will be a never ending fight. Do not under-estimate the power of suppressed people, this just gives them MORE determination to create or modify or design a totally new route to get what they want

At the moment it is not needed, but give them a need and watch what happens ;)

Btw - Who said BTcoin was unstoppable?  Just kill Electricity on earth , there you have it, no virtual Crypto-currencies  ;D

There will ALWAYS be a work-around.

Your theory is purely fictional and quite unrealistic.

Here's a few theories of my own:
1. Dinosaurs rise again and attack humans
2. Aliens invade
3. Trillions of invisible nano bots suck the electricity out of everything in the world sending us back into the stone age
4. World blows up

Though what your saying can be fathomed as possible it's also implying that every free country on this planet is willing to convert to a communism with their repeated "We're doing it for your own good!" bullshit.

EMP is more realistic : D

Just run your bitcoin client in an Amazon cloud instance in any one of their global data centers of your choice.

Because the requirements for your plan - specifically those laws require us to return to a draconian state whereby the government in power is the ultimate power. If enough oppressed people do something, things can change quite rapidly. We've moved away from limiting systems (ie dictatorships) through uprisings and coups. It would be unlikely indeed that people would be more than willing to have their freedoms impinged upon for no other reason than that the government wants to tax you.

Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?

You think the people who give us this computer hardware have'nt checked all possible combinations of key press's before even linux came out?

Wow..

And with the boxes in place, the laws are no longer required.. because governments are above their own laws.

Let me guess you are the panic seller who really frustrated with bitcoin price now is falling down?  :-\

No, I have never parted with ANY bitcoin, and I instructed my kids to do same.. collect, and do nothing.

So I have never lost anything I have gained, to moan about.. ;)

You, sir, are high on crack.

MY IP, yes. Not the IP of the actual server or person I'm communicating with. Just some random TOR node.

Geo tagging is applied to all packets? Really? :)
Even if that were true (which isn't the case) they are tagging outer dummy packets. Not the actual packets which are encrypted and embedded in the TOR traffic.

Do you realize that in order to receive bitcoins on addresses, or send from those addresses, you don't need to have or manage those addresses (or their private keys) at your own PC and IP at all?


Sorry pal, you seem to have an utter lack of understanding even the basic principles of TCP/IP, TOR, and Bitcoin.

Maybe. Some people have their own ASNs and don't need a stinking ISP.

Lets just see how long it is before you all get the point..

As I said previously.. I write, and people act..

If I see a weakness and print it, it will be latched onto and blocked.. within around 48 hours.. but then you'd have to have read some of my online work to know what I'm actually about huh?

Your statement here reminds me of the flaw in the 150mb connection.. what good is that if the other end is only on a 56k modem?

Just as THEY use an ISP.. you may not..

I know of two websites that act on what I say, they create applications because they know how to interpret (correctly) what I am saying.. you can wait here..

Meanwhile, regarding this 'Cloud' - it does not exist. Everything is stored on hardware somewhere, get over it..

In any case, all this packet blocking discussions is moot until Bitcoin becomes globally outlawed like child porn. Speaking of which there are still underground child porn businesses and communities using encrypted internet communications and they can't be completely stamped out.

If governments get to this point we'd have more serious problems to deal with.

tomorrow, i can burn my bank with a 15 euros vodka bootle and a zippo ... can i do this ?
no.

now, eurozone can freeze and tax 10% of the whole saving (4000 Milliards of Euros).
can states do this ?
yes.

Sentences like this are the reason people think you are high. It doesn't make any sense and surrounding it with Internet tough guy talk doesn't help.

Internet tough guy? Wow.. I like comming here to see y'all take the bait, it's like, well..

Street tough guy.. It's godamn easier to burst open a hole in the wall cash machine with a solenoid from a microwave oven than it is to get paid from btc owners..

They cant outlaw something they WANT to tax..

Geotagging is now employed at the ips level where i live. Tor Has been trashed by some excellent hackers that can do what they want with our pc's (if installed).. 2 police forces in america had to cough up in btc in order to have their files unlocked.. so much for the cloud.. tor is useless, and btc is falling since I re-juvenated my account here due to being ripped off by tha faucets.. people are reading they wont get paid get it? And as a premier hacker of docsis networks, I'd say I have a better understanding of how to cripple you via your modem than you do me (thats not intended as a threat or challenge, just a fact) wether your using tor or not. This implies a better than average understanding of tcp/ip no?

And to call me a pal.. do I look like I am a rosicrucian? You dont even know the true import of the word to use it effectivly.. Brother P.A.L? - A soldier in Damascus.. ;)

Honestly, I think you're talking out of your arse. But I'd love to be proven wrong, any proof/specs?

Complete and utter bullcrap.
Talk is cheap, FUD is even cheaper.

What...? (is this supposed to be a point against the robustness of Bitcoin, or ???)

What does 'the cloud' have to do with all this? Besides, without any further context, 'the cloud' essentially means the same as 'online' or 'the internet'.

Nope.

Please do. Go ahead. I have a bunch of bitcoins here on my PC, they're yours if you can hack them. I actually happen to be on a docsis modem, so should be a piece of cake for you. And by all means don't let any ethics hold you back, please prove me wrong and steal my money.

1. Clearly you are under-informed. See, 99% of the best security given to docsis was created 2 miles from where I live.. Then it is shipped to the USA and is implemented around 6 months later.. this is evident in a plethora of docsis hacking sites if you read and take notes. Where new security starts, to where it is implemented.. But the usa is not the LAST to receive it, england is. Average time span, 12-18 months later. This is why whilst in the uk, people knew of the requirement of a private string that could'nt be used here, but, for a time, could still be found 18 months later in the us. Not any more huh? For We removed said string from the equation, preventing the most qualified from finding it.. bang went the docsis hackers..

2. There are at least 20 sites with entirely different stories regarding those police dept's that had to pay in btc. This was nothing to do with bitcoin, but how TOR was used to implement the russian hack that is INCLUDED in tor, that same hack that recently was broadcast on RT, with over 1 and a half BILLION accounts compromised. FACT.

3. The cloud is just a scam to get docile people to store their stuff on other peoples computers in order to then charge a fee for access at a later date. FACT.

4. If you are suggesting I should break the law by hacking you for stupid btc when I'd prefer to empty your bank account using the same method the russians used via tor, you are insane. The fact I can hack docsis is evident all over the net.. You are an insignificant target.. post your ip, and I'll oblige however..

EDIT: The biggest flaw with Tor is that 99.9% of Tor users also use other applications and dont route them THROUGH TOR, creating a link to origionating scource. FACT.

So what? I think most people are aware that governments could cripple BTC. I don't think they even need a technical solution; simply making it illegal will destroy 95% of use. But, if this happens, then there are far greater problems for democracy (and I hope there will be protests on the streets). They haven't yet pulled the plug on bittorrent, despite the fact that the majority of use is "illegal". For bitcoin, I can see the majority of use being "legal".

The best bet is to continue building the ecosystem until enough commerce relies on it that killing it would damage a country's economy, or put it at a disadvantage to another country.

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btw you sound a little schizo OP.

The only way I could see it happen is if someone invented quantum computer and used it to mine, he would be able to mine a lot and get everyone else out of the business and get everything mined ahead of time it is supposed to happen. There would be a way to stop it but one would have to adopt that really fast.

OP are too pessimistic, on the positive side, the first country who support it (maybe England is on the way) will be greatly benefited (new economy, new jobs, new foreign money inflow) and others will follow

300 years ago, when John Law banned private person from holding gold at France, all the gold flow to Holland and nearby countries, and you can guess who is most benefited

Yes true but I hope this will never happen.
Realistically, I think our governments have much more important issues to deal with, not to fight against Bitcoin.
In fact, bitcoin can even help them, economy, if they use it wisely.
I hope they will never attempt to make Bitcoin illegal, this will create a lot controversy and push bitcoin in dark area, and it will be even harder to make bitcoin mainstream and global success.
Hope that our governments will realize huge potential in bitcoin and use this benefits, not to try to kill Bitcoin.

You sound like you focus on physical security more than network security.


There is a box between most user's ISP and their network already: home routers that tend to have back-doors the NSA probably knows about. They may be reluctant to exploit these in a readily detectable manner for fear of the back-door being discovered.



Here you don't appear to understand how bitcoin works. Bitcoin does not strictly rely on all users having direct Internet access. You can distribute the block chain and transactions by modem or mail links.

It will take a while for the  super-powers to attack Bitcoin directly due to its strategic importance. If one super power decides to unilaterally attack the network, they risk sparking a new arms race from competing super powers trying to defend it.

Edit: a dns dead-end is easy to work-around.

Knowing an address does not allow you to sweep it's funds.

Guys in all honesty, I was bored and thought, well, if there's one thing I like about this site it's the ability to write what I want, and not get banned, that to me is a gold min in itself.. And I have answered some very interesting points with nothing BUT the truth. BUt I dont really give a hoots about bitcoin, it runs while I play, thats all it is to me, I'm not trading in it, I'm just collecting through curiosity, and seeing in the long run what actually happens to it. I personally got 3 major sites into at least using btc to accept donations.

As I really see bitcoin, it's like a plethora of websites.. when a new fashion comes along people may be afraid of, they give it away for free, this is the business model.. and once people rely on it, it becomes the norm to pay/charge for it in one way or another, so btc, or any other currency, CAN be controlled, and by that centralized scource known as the cloud. By using the cloud you kill the de-centralization.

I'm not here to discuss the in's and outs of docsis networks, or security, I was reflecting on how insecure it all actually is, and how those that DONT actually KNOW are full of words (like myself) until the evidence is presented to them that THINK they know, in a laymans term, whilst those that DO say nothing, because they know I have written the truth.

And it does prevail..

Please note my login name.. thats not a joke.. it's what I do.. when I came up with that in the '80's, it said what I did on decks.. but I have experimented in one form or another every day of my life knowing at anytime I could get the shock that kills.. All I have done in this thread is to experiment with crowd response to what is about to be produced, and how it will be done, this was part of it's creation.

Tis the story of the hat.. I drew a picture.. and all the worker bees went on their merry way all over the world until they produced what was drawn. Thank you for taking part.

As for those that think they know..

Of the hack that will place all remaining btc online at once?

It does however create focus. Point of origin. How far from your computer is your phone? Give or take, around 13 feet.. Geo taggng in effect.. everyone knows how it works.. did they put 2 and 2 together?

Where is your wallet? Which one? Who sent what transaction? What l/p did they use? Most likely the same email in the phone. Shit, there is an app that shows you the location of who is downloading what all around you, no matter where you live.. And btc transactions are p2p upload/downloads..

Smile, may I take a picture? (old nokia james bond hack)

You are saying you have trouble "getting paid from btc owners", is this the root cause of your 'other issues'?  :)

1. Yes I focus on physical security, and leave the programming to those that can. As long as there is someone who can interpret my words into a script that can run, I'm happy. I know of around 10 decent programmers who can do this. It's better someone with my ability to 'see' the possible way around keeps this to a minimum.

2. Tis is not the network I was refering to, the network I was refering to is the one the cmts connect's you to for you to get the net. A short way.. connect to the cmts, the cmts connects to THE box, then you are forwarded to the net. This was mostly first used in early tv, the 3 minute gap between live broadcast and transmission to the masses.. the delay required to manipulate.. ANYTHING..

And for your edit.. yes, and how to is already mentioned? I did'nt link the 2 intentionally ;)

No, I'm speaking for ALL who dont..

As for your 'other' ? issue's? So many m8.. I recognise the phsycho analyst in you, just by YOUR word's.. They were NOT mine ;)

Our overlords will have one hell of a time trying to track down transactions when they protected with steganography (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography).

Seize of ISP packets by NSA or anyone else would be an international scandal, much bigger than all the Snowden revelations together.

Things need to worse a lot for that be a real short term menace. And even if it becomes a menace in some parts of the world, it won't be in ALL the world, unless they create the unified world goverment, what is far beyond to happen.
If your ISP screw things for you, you can use sattelite internet or something to bypass it, from a country with no such restrictions

OP:

Anything can be killed if the WHOLE WORLD bands together to kill it.

But any retard can see that this wont happen.  Your entire premise that it will, (or even "might"), is absurd.  

The amount of worldwide hatred required for such large quantities of powers to gather together, is non existent.

Additionally, basic reality has shown us that what is illegal one place is not illegal other places.  What is hated by one government is tolerated by another.

Your awareness of this basic truth about the world around you, seems to be drastically lacking.

Therefore your method by which Bitcoin can be killed is pointless hot air.  A hypothetical thought experiment at best.

Of course Bitcoin can be killed.  But only in the sense of worldwide mass adoption and commerce.  If even one person is mining, its not technically dead.

The chances of all the steps necessary to fully kill it, happening?   Zero.

-B-

actually i do not agree what u are talking about

Thanks for admitting you are trolling and saving us the trouble of reading.

Easy if all the users decide to lose faith in the coin and stop using it.  Not that hard if you ask me.  ::)
Or you could try and put an end to the economic troubles and government spying and that would do the trick also.  ::)

He seems to be.

While this is usually a bad attitude to have, I agree with this. Developers are too stubborn to let governments simply take down bitcoin.

This sounds a lot like FUD to me. Most of what the OP is describing is already possible today with a few important details. It is not possible to decrypt an encrypted message without the private key that is to be used to decrypt the message. TOR uses encryption to access the entry guards so if you were to connect to TOR all that anyone would see be able to see is the fact that you are connecting to TOR. The same applies to signed messages that are not encrypted. If you sign a message using crypto technology and the message is somehow altered then the signature would not match the message and would not be accepted.

Not very easy otherwise it would of been done already by the government and banks Bitcoin is really solid and complies with the laws of the universe.

Just wondering, what does Uniting the Power of Sound & Ceation mean? Im assuming its a typo and you mean Creation, but after reading your ramblings, I wasn't sure..

How easy is it to KILL the internet?

Excellent response  ^^^^

Beliathon as always cuts to the chase and clears the air of all the BS 

Thanks!

we vote for people to vote for us, can we not just vote on the issues on hand ourselves?

btc is like gold, other then it can be traded faster they already own it all

it is traded for fiat now, it is already killed, r.i.p bitcoin 2011-pizza-drugs-2011.... now usd :(,  we will always remember your valiant effort at making a real new world currency but then you messed up and allowed yourself to be traded for fiat tainting your supply, YOU SOLD OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!,  now the kings and queens/bankers still rule us all, good game btc it was a nice try!

so sad how many of you think btc is vs the government or bankers it was clearly made by them open your  :o, why do you even think it is called btc and not bc, keep having the wool pulled over your eyes


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Hey Don`t get me wrong btc and usd/fiat have done the world good, but we need a real fair supply, one that cannot be manipulated like btc or fiat since fiat can manipulate btc it is broken at the moment, also get companies/business`s to back there own commodity`s if they want "stocks" like urocoin, but really no need for it, just make a fair currency for all each year every human gets 1000k tied into there birth certificate, governments get 0!, well I guess they can have some but everyone should be a politician we vote for people to vote for us, can we not just vote on the issues on hand ourselves? due to technology advancements,  but anyways if the get 0 they may tax there citizens on products/goods if they would like to make real GDP, you can still enterprise with giving everyone a fair start, I bet crime rate would go down with my system, oh? not making enough from jailing citizens then? well tax "hemp" and make it legal there you go, you got your losses back and everyone is happy! anyways I hope satoshi nakamoto comes back and fixes this shit because it is broken again things I would like to see.

1. All fiat dead owned by private companies/people (this needs to be done to stop corruption)

2. Everyone get a base standard of living aka 1000 credits each year made with blockchain technology and tied in with your birth certificate or dna or fingerprint or something that others cannot steal to abuse the new system (would be little to no homeless people, it would help handicapped people and mentally ill people and not just them everyone would have a basic standard of life, this is to be fair, crime rate would vanish I bet)

3. Population control (if you have more then 1 kid, the parents loose 100 of there credits each year for breeding like cats and using more of our finite resources on earth)

4. Better energy systems (lets be honest we have the technology for water stipulation to make hydrogen and power cars on good old sea water, right now we pump dead bodies back into our breathing air, rude crude oil there is so much better out there, There is also magnets and thermal and some other ways to get better sources of energy for transportation and power purposes)

5. All police officers to wear cameras when on duty (this provides them with the proof they need in court for there actions to the judge and jury which with our technology could take a random 1000 people to be the jury giving the defendant a fair trial)

6. My fellow humans/earthlings make civilization on another planet, why are all of our eggs in one basket? we should be fighting natural disasters and space problems not each other, I was raised to believe in certain faith (I no long believe in satan) , I was raised to hate certain groups of people, I was raised to be a racist and a bigot (but I am not I grew out of what others told me even my own family) , I admit I have made many wrongs in my life and from making mistakes is how you learn how to do things right and well to those who I have effected with my negativity I truly am sorry bet lets move forward and make the world a better place not just for me and you, but for your brothers kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, even tho I don`t care to have my own kids, I don`t want to bring another lost soul like me into this world, but I care about my species. All Humans are equal if you don`t think that is the case good luck in the next world in order for this one to existence due to evolution you must believe in the past, that means there is something else to come. No one is here to judge you, you judge yourself and all you people abusing the system and fucking over the little guy and focused on destruction will see yourself in the mirror when you die and realize why you have no power in eternity 
 

ROFL... you do realize there is no way to create a decentralized currency and have it NOT be freely traded?

Just as if people value bitcoin, we are free to trade our fiat for it, it follows logically that people MUST also be free to trade their bitcoin for it.

If by some black magic people were UNABLE to bitcoin for fiat, it would be worth far LESS now, not more. It's NECESSARY for the (inevitable) transition from nation state fiat scrip to a truly math-based, objectively valuable form of money like Bitcoin.

This transition has only just begun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfZFGcGc_I). Remain calm and be patient.

My pleasure

umm kill fiat? problem solved, we need the u.n and governments to help overthrow this to, but the people will change first :)  

if fiat is worth nothing, people will not change there new world coin for nothing

Most nations have already killed their fiat scrip via de-legitimization (never ending inflation and cumulative unpayable debt). We don't need to do anything but wait, now.

~190 sovereign nations in the world. ~50 already have SHIT currencies (looking at you, Argentina). Even the fiats we do trust, such as US dollar, Chinese Yuan, British Pound, and Euro will go *POP* sooner rather than later, with the next economic iceberg these Titanics will strike in the near future.

Hey sounds like you're mad at scammers lately. Well, why don't you do something more productive with your skills like dox lunamine who just scammed 1200 bitcoins? 

I will add that I do agree with you that there is a way for a large power to stop bitcoins and people seem oblivious to this fact on here.

nice, I hope I live to see us work together on one proper currency for all, one that is fair and just to even people who start with nothing, unlike gold and btc

and then....

one legal system/political system that works, where the people vote on the issues instead on voting some to vote on issues for us... zZzZzZzZz

you're never going to have perfection.  Bitcoin is fair enough.  Right now everyone is on an even playing field and can get in if they want.
I'm not worried about a small handful of early adopters that got an "unfair" advantage.

you're never going to have perfection.  Bitcoin is fair enough.  Right now everyone is on an even playing field and can get in if they want.
I'm not worried about a small handful of early adopters that got an "unfair" advantage.
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early adopters? people who can print usd out of there ass are early adopters?

"Bitcoin is fair enough"
"fair enough"
fair enough is not good enough
fair means equal

sure people should enterprise and people should prosper for good work and helping fellows as well as themselves

but fair needs to be fair, not close enough

a kid born with a bitcoin farm family and a kid is born into a fruit farm family, the one kid does nothing really other then maintain a few computers, gets 5 houses and 10 cars just because his family was on top and the other kid feeds millions and keeps them ALIVE! but never gets ahead due to inflation works his ass off and keeps millions alive but can barely afford his car insurance or farm insurance, loses his farm and is left homeless because his political leaders and economy has failed him. this is fair to you? not to mention the people who can spew usd out of there ass and buy btc literally for free atm?

Work smarter, not harder.

People will always be born into richer or poorer families...richer or poorer countries... with less or more brains or talent or connections than the next person.
That ain't never gonna change.  

And if you want a "perfectly distributed currency", look into Stellar, I heard they are giving it away.

true but the little guy should be given a chance, don`t get me wrong your parents save up for you and your kids future that is great, not everyone gets born with a golden spoon in there mouth and some have to work smart and hard for what little they have, but we should all start on the same grounds, real equality is what the world needs.

It's impossible for everyone start on the same ground and also allow parents to give kids a better future at the same time, don't you see that?

yes but you can give all people not born with a golden spoon a fair leveling ground

stellar looks "alright" but they trade for btc and usd, so no thanks, everyone needs to get the same amount from birth or given to them each year, like a minimal to help people who may not even have family's to depend on and everyone needs to be a politician and vote on issues if they would like to, instead of voting for people to vote for you.

Well I respect your opinion although I don't agree with you. 

Even if I did agree with your philosophy on that, I don't
think it would be possible in a decentralized manner.
You would need a trusted third party -- at least until
someone invents a "proof of unique personhood" algorithm.

I think it is very possible think about it my friend and it does not have to be "decentralized" if everyone is in on it lol then it would be organized "centralized" which is better, do you want to live in world ruled by a select few and it has been going on for ages my friend

tribal times - Tribal Leader`s/Shamens - most people just slaves
ancient pyramid times - Pharaohs/Prophets  - most people just slaves
midevil times - Kings and Queens/Clerics - most people just slaves
modern times - Governments/Church's etc etc/Banks - most people just slaves   

do not get me wrong I love what fiat and btc have done for this world, and bankers have done a good job to kinda sorta... I am not to sure why so many of them are killing themselves, even the rich like Robin Williams just killed himself he was suppose to be the funny man, heck he mad me laugh and it is a shame he did not want to partake in life anymore but that is his choice and I respect that I personally will never do it unless I am framed, truth is money does not bring you happiness but if done right it can make trading a whole lot easier and efficient.

but yah I am going to stop rambling, I just hope someday we our all part of the vote instead of voting on people to vote for us who are bought out... I don`t blame them I would be bought out to lol.. but if we had a fair and just currency for all and we were all part of the bigger picture well then most these problems would be solved.  People could still prosper, crime rates would be at a all time low, heck we might even get out of this galaxy in case some meteors or whatever took out the dinosaurs comes back  anyways think about it, it is possible to do it, just need the people to wake up first I will try and write a white paper sometime, I will even give the U.N bonus coins to maintain stability in there country's during the change, but everyone gets the same to start and only a certain amount and it is tied in with your life-death birth certificate even creating new jobs call check if this person is still alive job so we can see if we have to stop funding to that account to prevent people from stealing dead peoples votes and money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWivmrZL2ow

anyways come at me bankers I am not hiding behind a vpn you know where I live if you wanna kill me go for it, but there is 7.2 billion more of me good luck  ;D

don`t be fooled btc is not the answer, unless fiat dies today then it would be good enough for me, but I am sure something better will come before then  ;D

1. I actually have a dynamic IP address that I can renew at will.
2. Good luck with that, especially considering that private addresses are never broadcasted and merely used to sign the transaction locally.
3. I agree with the other posters, it really does sound like your abusing illicit drugs.

I have thought about it, and yes it does have to be decentralized. that's the whole point of Bitcoin and the reason it is revolutionary.  Centralized powers have had their turn for thousands of years and we've seen the results and the inequity.  Decentralized won't be perfect but it will be better.  If you don't believe in decentralization, what are you doing here?

If everyone is part of the system like how it should be, considering we are forced to live by the laws and order of our nations, then it would be truly decentralized... I am here to learn as much as I can to make a working system, That may not be tainted by a select few.

I just laughed so hard.
Ot: op, the world blowing up is more realistic than this. There will be a work around no matter the circumstances.
After all, rules were made to be broken. :)

How is the cloud a scam? It's a legit business model.

That was to hard  ;D
Just shutdown whole internet / shutdown whole electricity power  ;D

And there are reason to pass your security :1
1. Use encrypted file transfer for everything  ;D
2. NSA Killbox, yeah you will record encrypted file & you have to decrypt it  :P

This might help OP:
http://www.nhs.uk/medicine-guides/pages/MedicineOverview.aspx?condition=Schizophrenia%20and%20Psychosis&medicine=Abilify

Not easy to kill bitcoin, but the government can use law to make it extremely hard for bitcoin to progress and increase adoption further.

is there a law against this crime?? 8) 8)

Some rich btc guy can start a new isp for btc worldwide. That can be the solution.

They allready started making it hard, i have a buddy that recently got denied by the btc-e bank for transfer of 2k EUR with no explanation why, he just got denied and his money was returned.
One can allways buy localy , but its hard to find someone trusted, and it also wont be plausible with large amounts of btc.

But none of theese problems can kill bitcoin, it just lowers the price for certain time.

Oh man, there's a docsis document showing where said device is placed, between the isp's and the net, not the cmts and your stupid wifi/switch/router

And as I said, you can use satellite, but of the other end?

To all the idiot scumbags who just jump into threads to throw abuse, I may have a mental health problem, I may not.. this is the height of your life, abusing weaker people because you cant escape the fact you are glued to that screen 24/7 and cant add any decent conversation to ANY thread you post here or anywhere else.. You are one step behind the police who on average kill a human and get away with every day, despite it being against the law to do so. You are the main targets after todays idiot revolutionaries who think you can change the world using peaceful protest against people trained to kill people like YOU.

You are the smart arse of the world, always drawing on other people's scources, cause you have no origionality in your life, all you can do is copy the masonic scum who labeled you with a title far worse than mine (genius/mad), at least I stand up to those scum wth more than the force they use every day to smash women over the head while groping them in their so called private parts.. lol.. go back to the rug you crawled out from, the lice are missing you.. post your (others copywritten material) pictures.. but please, have a fuckin bath you stinkin excuse for a lonely human being.. NOTHING.

This post does not in any way include those that at least use genuine points for/against whatever I type.. I'd rather be brought down with the same intelligence I use elsewhere than spoken to by someone who in all honesty would be on the protection list in the jail cause they dont have the BALLS to say things to peoples faces without getting hit BEFORE they opened their mouths by people like me who know what you are GOING to say.. crawl back tae yer shit pits..

As for governments breaking the law.. they are above the law.. the police are evidence of this.. they break the law, kill your son/daughter and get a cushy job off the streets. No? Look at what they have done to the countless countries in the east.. yeah,. thats spreading.. tony blair/bush etc getting away with war crimes.. but people here insist there would be fury if this was the case.. well, yeah?

So what are these worldwide protests actually about? The lack of bread? When I say there is a box between the cmts and the internet, take my word for it, since I read some of snowdens files, yeah, including the one found on haxorware.com and sbhacker.net that shows EXACTLY how ALL traffic is intercepted, and where.. Start with 'Lawful' (laughable) interception architecture.. this is'nt the actual doc, but a good starting place i forget it's name, due to being irrelevant to my work.. you wont find this document on google, cause it IS proof.. why is it on the docsis site's? Duh..

And I say again.. you may be using any free wifi, you may not use an isp, you may use satelite.. but someone you are connected to IS connected to an isp, and since traffic recorded by NSA is BOTH ways..

Remember, the law only applies to those who break it.. NOT the masonic Scum who smile while people rot in jail for lesser crimes than murdering thousands.

And to the NOOB who thinks my replies are to bump up my post count here...

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I reply if the answer warrants it, like yours.. now go bump yours up..

One set of rules for the common man and another set of rules for the ruling elite.

This is nothing new. We need to bring back King Arthur and have knights of the round table.

Nah, we need people to understand the real threat is the masonic scum who have killed more than EVERY other organisation, terrorist or not, COMBINED.

What you're looking for isn't a currency system in the context of modern capitalism, it is a completely new and more egalitarian system of distributing resources with compassion, whatever system will be the "post-capitalism" world.

I personally believe that global adoption of cryptocurrency is a necessary stepping stone towards a post-capitalist world system. You will see this in your lifetime without a doubt if you are under, say 60 years old at the time of reading this.

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk

still smoking crack I see...

firstly if bitcoin could be stopped by the unseen hand that rules over the world.. it would have been shutdown already.

secondly.

if you use a VPN and TOR correctly there is no way for anyone to know that you are actually using the Bitcoin protocol so there is no way for an ISP to stop you other than to shut down its entire internet service.

if that were to happen then mesh networks would spring up over night with the bandwidth needed to support the Bitcoin network between continents piped through encrypted satellite transmissions.

this is why those in the know correctly claim that in order to shutdown Bitcoin you need to shutdown the entire internet.

can any single government shut down then internet?... I'd like to see them try... ;)

the real question should be... how easy is it to get crack where you live?  seems like its pretty easy..

I'm not sure that it's easy to kill bitcoin. Bitcoin is more then just a money. It's a great community so that's why we are here and we will continue our mission

There is nothing I own that couldn't be confiscated (including Bitcoin). I prefer precious metals as they are a proven store of wealth, however Bitcoin is great for travelling and more fun.

You Need BILLLION or THRILLION of dollars to kill bitcoin.   -Andreas M. Antonopoulos

No one can say better then he did.

is not that hard imho, you if have the right amount of money, you can perform a 51% attack, just be very rich

What amount of money is "right" for you?

And btw how 51% attack works? 

more than billions of dollars and 51% percent attack doesn't kill bitcoin anyway.. all it does is allow the attacker to double spend their own coins and disrupt transactions while they have control.

theoretically someone with a quantum computer could break the cryptography but if they did that they would also be able to break into any computer system and any financial institution they want and wreak havoc on the entire global banking system.

here is an interesting article and video on the power of quantum computing to break encryption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-seeks-to-build-quantum-computer-that-could-crack-most-types-of-encryption/2014/01/02/8fff297e-7195-11e3-8def-a33011492df2_story.html

Fuckin arse..

Use a windows fone and call your telephone provider to help you fix your fone. They can see what you see on your fone as you would. Technology exists today that allows governments to view your screen from behind the wall your screen is against using nothing but the radiated light coming from it.. Those big green masts 300 yards apart all over the uk can read this, they are'nt only there just to help with the tetra..
What good is Tor now?
 I'll say it again.. FUCKIN ARSE!! yeah, I'm refering to YOU

Imo it's impossible to kill Bitcoin. I believe in it.

As for the intelligent comment's, keep em comin ;)

51% = hard fork the chain, invalidating all the attacker's coins and causing them to have thrown away all that money.

And with the processing power available to the governments, this would be a peice of piss.. They could probably do so in a day.

TL;DR.
Is not possible filter traffic between the ISP and the Internet unless you forbid cryptography. It's not possible. It'd freeze the Internet

You have to produce the physical chips, money isn't enought. If you spend years/billins to produce them, the community will add a +1 in the hash funcion and you must to start from scratch

Sorry dude, I dont think the NSA worry about cryptography..

yes they are watching you and listening to you... and recording everything you do.. shhhh don't tell anyone.. be careful they are coming for you... better hide all that crack in a condom and swallow it so they dont find it LOLZ

they were watching snowden too.. still didn't manage to stop him leaving the country with all their secrets though.

or was that another masonic world domination plot

I suggest you spend a little time researching Snowden. I think you'll find your statement quite false.

Well, since Bitcoin doesn't currently encrypt, it is extremely vulnerable to being blocked at ISP level.  Even encrypted you could block traffic to known Bitcoin nodes, or probably recognise a signature of the Bitcoin network to block.  This would require national legislation to act, and its not very likely, but it is a threat that seems too easily dismissed.

Nah.  If legislators wanted to ban bitcoin they could just ban merchants from accepting it.
Much easier.

Prove it, kill bitcoin. I double dog dare you.  ;D
I read a lot of posts that claim a way to "kill" bitcoin.  What I don't see is it happening.

just ask this guy..  ;D 

http://www.karpelescoin.org/images/protest3.jpg


I'd think with all the privacy concerns these days it would be very hard to make something like this happen.  Not saying it isn't possible and don't even really grasp the technical intricacies of it but I'd imagine this would require some major changes in the privacy laws.  Don't see something like that happening anytime soon or ever.

Bitcoin may kill itself in about 200 days or sooner. With the relentless rise in difficulty within 200 days it will be impossible to mine for profit no matter who you are or how much hashing power you have. The cost of electricity will exceed the revenue generated by the machines. If the price of bitcoin stays at $600 this mining collapse will happen at around 40 billion difficulty level. People with higher electricity rates will be forced to bail out first. Mainly people on the west coast. The only way to forestall this is for bitcoin to double in value or some people have to stop mining so the difficulty can drop. Now if the value of bitcoin drops to low the mining catastrophe will occur sooner. As of this writing it is down to $492. We need to either stop mining or up the price.

The possible good news as we approach the tipping point bitcoin will be so hard to mine that it will hopefully make it go up again. Who knows what will happen. I would love to hear what other people think about this scenario.

What you are describing is how bitcoin is supposed to work. When supply does not support the price of mining new coins, then mining subsides. It's a lot like mining gold. Gold mines shut down for decades when supply is met. When the price goes up they start mining again. In bitcoin this will be the case for many years.

Why are troll threads allowed to get this long?

In WWII the resistance passed messages written on scraps of paper to cells all across multiple nations because they were motivated.

The internet is unnecessary for Bitcoin to work as long as highly motivated people with some kind of computing devise at home are willing to keep it alive. The blockchain can be passed around on a flash drive.

http://www.thessdreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Predator-Open.jpg

It already happens.  Most ISPs will give certain traffic priority over others, throttle it to create premium un-throttled services, or just manage bandwidth capacity.  Its called traffic shaping, and its executed without legislation, just commercial decisions.  

Shut it GOY

What use is the blockchain on a USB if it takes days or weeks to receive it?  I can only verify a payment if i have an upto date version. If i cant verify a payment, i cant trust it...

Nah, I dont follow traitors, sooner they are forgotten the better.. @ least if the world focus's on this traitor, they're leaving the murdering to continue whith ZERO accountability.. it is marvelous in their eye's..

Who remembers how 300 ps3's were used to hack https security of major companies? Not hack as in malicious, but a test to prove the processing power of a few cpu's? This is equal to the first calculator compared to some of the equipment we know nothing of. All you need to crack ANY security in a day, is processing power.. I have no doubt if the gov wanted to, they could (if not doing so already) use all of our processors just as seti does. This would of course require certain commands embeded in the processor, perhaps placed in the same place the cpu kill command resides..?

Why have a cpu kill switch if you know that processor is 99% guaranteed to be behind a firewall/network/switch, if you could'nt access it? Every processor has this switch with an idividual ID, the code that can kill it.

All emplyee's only get to see what they are allowed to see.. who said these files were nothing more than the usa saying, ok, we cant get away with this much longer, because it is all being recorded by data miners.. so we'll use snowden as we use rt, get them to drip it slowly.. broadcast the truth.. piss off the peacfull protestors.. not the gun totters.. off course, when most folks see it, they think it's news, but because they already knew these FACTS, just not the details..

Nice way to emigrate though ;)

1. good point.. damn good point..

2. You dont verify a payment, just collect.. Yeah I know the app is verifying the blocks hash's.. but how 'cant' you trust it? Verify the payment by looking at blockchain using senders address, wether your synced or not, it should still show in the blockchain even though you have yet to receive it?

If you control root server you control whole internet. Thats why N S A can do everything which is internet based on.

I cant verify a payment against an out of date, offline blockchain.  How do i know it hasn't been spent since the last entry i have recorded?  Someone can roll around the country infront of the USB drive spending the same bitcoin address  over and over.

People talk about the current confirmation cycle being too slow for widespread adoption.  Offline blockchain is antithesis of bitcoin.

I heard that Jeff is going to launch some bitcoin satellites so that even all the ISP is blocking bitcoin you still have full nodes in outerspace.

Finland is already deploying radio based bitcoin nodes

Send BTC to a new address, then send the private key, encrypted to the recipient. Perhaps encoded in a picture (steganography)

Scan the private key, encode it, turn it into a qr code, send via mobile phone.

By classifying him as a traitor, you are admitting that he is a legitimate whistle-blower that knows of what he speaks. The NSA has been undermining cryptography standards for a least 10 years. The reason is that cryptography works. It has been easier for them to make sure that it is poorly implemented; or not used at all.

You mentioned the PS3 up-thread. That was the second personal computer sold to the general public that was classified as a munition. They had initially changed the definition of super computer to mean an machine that can operate at 500Gflops/s from the old level of 1Gflop/s broken my the dual core Apple G4 tower (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eb1yih5kNY).

learn how mining works, and come back again.

"Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect.."

Um, no you couldn't. In any case, the governments of the world will simply adapt to the new paradigm. Plenty of innovations have historically threatened government powers, and in every case, they just adapt.

I would honestly like to know if any of this is legit. I always thought the only major threat to Bitcoin was a huge entity that can print a trillion dollar bill taking over hashing power. Of course that wouldn't kill the concept of crypto.

This post didn't mention vpn, which I understand to not be viewable by your isp. No way every country gets on board with this plan, so you could connect to a proxy in a nonconformist country, etc. Am I missing something here?

Love him or hate him, his words carry weight. Unlike yours dicksperiment. :D

If your on a VPN your ISP knows your IP and that your traffic is going to the server but unable to determine what traffic is what as it is fully encrypted. They cant just drop random packets as that would obviously be futile.

The exchanges are already killing Bitcoin.  Look at MtGox. 

Now the current rumour is that a lot of exchanges are engaging in FRB.  If an exchange has 100K Bitcoin in reserves then they can issue out 1 million Bitcoin and it works as many people keep their wallets on exchange profiles.

In order to bypass censors at ISPs, it would probably make more sense to generate and sign the transaction, then encode it into an image, all offline and then just post the image to a website.  A node in a freer part of the world could then ensure that it gets propagated on the network.

This is a very interesting point, something I believe I kinda mentioned in my first posts on this site, that it was unprofitable due to price of electricity.. Good comments here 4 sure.. and if people dont up the amount given to either u or mbtc, count most of the people on the planet out, since no-one can afford them.. and if bitcoin goes, so will al other crypto-currencies.. through a well deserved lack of trust.. I'm not flogging the good guys who have zero negative reputation in dealing these btc, but the majority who are rippin folks off from delaying payments to out right stealing btc.

You cannot "kill" Bitcoin. It's literally impossible. You can however harm it by 51% attack for a limited period of time.

Well you could maybe find alternative ways to damage it. Wouldn't a 51% attack kill bitcoin if it was sustained?

Dude, kindly stop trying to claim I think like you. I never admitted anything about him being a whistle blower.. I say he is a traitor.. he turned his back on his fellow countrymen and ran. Everyone knows facebook is a spy, as is a plethora of websites we visit daily, we know we are spied on with every site we visit. We know all calls are recorded, (read the small print) do we care? NO. Do you care that now your account is in the hands of what others may call an enemy of the state? No. Security of your country is dependand on your gov having the possibility of prevention of harm to YOUR society, cause you just as I are inept at defending WHAT was recorded. It's like, yeah the NSA wont steal our goodies from our bank.. who says an enemy of the state wont? He accepted his position, accepted the wages, and responsibility. He fucked a few women he would have never got if he was on the dole.. When he finds russia or wherever he ends up does the exact same thing, will he do same?

He is a traitor who should be shot in the direction he ran, he can either turn around and be shot in the face or continue and be shot in the back, our security guys dont care, he fucked up, being the coward he is.

Edit: If WW3 was a conventional war, and we were called up to serve our country, would you serve?

If so, you'd let this sneaky little rat away with what he did if he ended up in front of your gun?

The reason I ask this is because it's clear to me that if you choose to serve, you accept that you may have to kill those about to kill you. Many of these 'enemies' have no qualms with you, yet by your claims, you'd let him off?

Final edit: Just for you. My m8 just said, and I quote.. To the rich, it's whistle blowing, to the poor, he's a fuckin grass.

No you cannot find alternative ways. If there would be any, they would be already found, because code is open source. 51% is literally the only way.
It would paralyse it for a moment. It is not possible to sustain it long term. It could damage the price, but not the protocol itself. Protocol is all that matters.

Edward Snowden is a whistleblower hero.

Lol.. What he has to do with bitcoin is anyones guess..

That does not make it not true. If he did not disclose legitimate secrets (possibly as some type of false-flag operation), then logically, he is not a traitor.


In my country, it is possible to be both a traitor and hero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Riel).

Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in.

Well dude, I have to admit, to state online that I said something that in fact YOU said, means git tae fuck ya bam, ur a fuckin twat, he's a traitor end of, dont try convincing ANYONE i said otherwise, fuckin loony

If you want me to stand up for what I believe in, pay my fare to his location and I'll solve the fuckin problem!!!

Edit: Ok, apologies for how I come across to you, but being Scottish, I h8 anyone using the english language, trying to tell me what I said knowing I did'nt, please accept my apologies..?

And it does not escape the fact, that in jail, he's quite simply a theif and a grass..

Kim Dotcom is making it's own internet and he is pro-bitcoin anti-nsa. There.

Yeah but who's gonna wait the time it takes to prepare a download that then takes the same time to download it? You stay here, am away to the pub.. so many irelevant posts to the topic.. ah well.. I'll stick with getting my illegal files via google torrents, no sign up, no waiting..

the only way to kill it is with 51% right?

And what problem would killing him solve? You can't undisclose what's been disclosed.

Do you actually know whom Snowden is or what he did? I don't think you do. My I recommended "The Snowden Files by Luke Harding" ISBN 978-1-78335-035-3

Sit down in a quiet room and educate yourself.

They all times upgrade btc. I think they can to fix all problems.

It's ok. I did not explicitly spell out the logical steps.

The reason the topic drifted from BItcoin is that you are very misinformed about how it works.

You talk about things that are impossible as if they are obvious to anyone who knows even a little about computers. For example, Bitcoin addresses are not inherently linked with IP addresses (I think I dimly recall that was a little-used option at one time).

If you are going to read one document about Bitcoin, I suggest The original whitepaper (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf).

Bitcoin did allow sending coins to an IP address once. This has now been disabled because of the danger of man-in-the middle attacks with this type of transaction.

Bitcoin transactions carry no IP information, though I'm guessing the node that first broadcasts the transaction could be identified if the NSA controlled enough nodes.

If you don't want to transmit your transactions yourself, simply post your signed transaction in hexadecimal format here via tor, and they will broadcast it for you.

https://blockchain.info/pushtx

Do us a favor and stay at the pub.  :-*

think of all the good things bitcoin can do in our lifestyle. Why you want to kill something like that?

you are 100% correct but its all common knowledge -

reading though the responses looks more like r/bitcoin everyday here ha ha .

here is the point though:

(this is hard to explain in English)

"innovation" is a form of energy, money is an "energy token" < so there is a distinct relationship here and i will get to the point for you.

a "society" can be and is as viable as its "productive innovative participants", you are talking about localized  "sessionizers"

the previous response re "Kill the Internet" is actually retarded , because the OP is not suggesting that the aim is to "Kill" crypto he is suggesting that the aim is control. (a vastly different thing)(but related)

which is provable and has occurred to a degree on the "Internet"

so that's why the retarded "INTERNET Kill switch" argument is so backwards.


but here is the point:

no matter how backward you think other nations are in an interconnected world, there are governments that are not ruled by banking institutions and thus their "motive" is not to control what you use as "money".

so in the scenario the OP describes, the entities enforcing the "control" (packet and otherwise)  will also enforce the "destruction of innovation" which is essentially an energy (as describe above), this will then flow to a competing source, and re-balance.

Summary:

the West becomes "The Soviets" in that scenario. (there is evidence to suggest this is already occurring as the west loses the lead in key innovative areas)

* ha ha the reason you got such a happy response was because you said "NSA" ha ha hurting the feelings of many of the regular forum goers who had to then rush to log in to a sock puppet account to express their opinion, ha ha

http://kolinevans.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/what-would-a-crypto-currency-collapse-look-like/

Bit of a bizarre statement, do you consider  Bill Binney a "traitor" ?

"enemies foreign and domestic"

in your conventional WW3 scenario - who are we fighting?

i think you will find the world is quickly coming to realize its; The people V the "Corporations"  (specifically the ones that issue our "debt tokens" )

how do we stop these people from learning? - we have to stop the information (or packet direct it)

but then we become "The Soviets"

so what's the answer? 

It takes money to make money and to kill money. OFC it will take billions of dollars to kill BTC...not easy...rather close to impossible.

Literally impossible to kill Bitcoin. The Blockchain will go on for all ethernity.

Sorry to arrive so late in this discussion...but I am curious.

OP sounded like he knew what he was talking about in his original post, and you sound like you know what you are talking about...OP and Kazimir, what are your professions?

Also Kazimir, is there truly no way for the NSA to break into a TOR network? I feel like they have the power to do just about anything, even if they have to go so far as to hardline into your home network for "suspected terrorists." Why would that seem far fetched considering all they've done illegally so far?

if that's easy to kill.. I'm sure the bank's will do it because bitcoin is a BIG threat for them :)

Even if one country decided to ban BTC, still people will hide and proxy and use it..so hard to kill btc..

Do you really have a creamy pie?

There's only one way do kill Bitcoin. Everyone worldwide decides to stop using it.

I think now it is almost impossible to KILL Bitcoin. Now its start controlling online market.

Buy all of them and sell all of them, this should crash BTC.

If govt decides to tax heavily on BTC then people might stop using it...Hard though.

The "easiest" way to kill bitcoin is to do a 51% attack but no one exept ghash could do it.

bitcoin TX do carry IP information. The IP address of the node that first relayed the TX is reported and is available on blockchain.info (and other block explorers as well). If you are using QT to transmit a TX (or another full node wallet) then it would be fairly easy to associate your IP address with a specific transaction (assuming you did not use TOR or another VPN). If you use blockchain.info or a wallet that does not act as a full node then your IP will generally be safe.

Well that's actually not true. They aren't the only ones who could do that. At least they have lowered their % of the hashrate.
But I do not see a reason for them to do an attack, they would only harm themselves this way.

So then it occured to me..

Create a network of around 'x' amount of computers. Install bitcoin app and run as server.

Would this not create a 'new' blockchain, which can then be introduced into or OVER the origional one we currently use?

Um, no. You need to read up a little more.

If governments do find some way to intercept or block bitcoin transactions (why and how they would do this is another question), I'm am absolutely confident a workaround would be created quickly. If you think about it Bitcoin is already a way to get around government control by not dealing with their fiat.

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Mysterious boxes lol.

Not every ISP will do this. Good luck seeing that implemented world wide.

LOL the OP is obviously a noob as he doesn't even know how the blockchain gets written and possibly overwritten.

"Just install bitcoin app and run as server and voila blockchain is overwritten"....lol

That one made my day right there...especially after his OP where he was so serious about his theory.

Like this ... ?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img631/1293/cURXsc.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img631/1293/cURXsc.jpg

These blockchain explorers only report the first node that relayed them the TX, it's just data they have generated themselves, not actually inside the TX. There's no way of knowing if that was the node that generated the TX. It may of been relayed from another previously.

Pools with a large amount of hashrate will inevitability find several blocks within a short amount of time. This is nothing more then luck. Also one person/entity having 51%+ of the network hashrate alone will not destroy bitcoin, this person would also need to launch an attack on the network. If this person temporarily controls this much of the network but does not launch an attack then nothing will happen to bitcoin overall.

No. This would infact help the bitcoin network, as you've increased number of distrubuted nodes.

All nodes are equal. These new nodes would have no more or no less authority than the thousands of others.

Lol. That's not the way it works. Users of the REAL blockchain would reject any outside / modified blockchain. That's the whole point. Bitcoin is not controlled by a small group of individuals, its controlled by the community of bitcoin users and developers.

A much more realistic threat is the government or Wall Street manipulating the market to make bitcoin crash in price.

bitcoin is only controlled by mathematic strategies ... not by human. ;D

Decentralized exchanges should eliminate that threat.

Bitcoin is unstoppable if we look at the amount of everyday transactions and volume of usd in form of BTC in circulation..Pretty tough.

You'd have to do a 51% attack.
But who even owns 51%.
Only Ghash could do something like that.
.-.

Can you give us a timeframe so I can make arrangements to dump my coins. :D LOL

You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of how cryptography works.

You can't kill it like that but if they really wanted to a government could easily cripple it by sending out transactions (with fess) in excess of the transaction limit.

Do you get a lot of work as a penetration tester?

Maybe he works in a dildo factory. Testing department. :D

Bitcoin isn't easy to kill, considering the amount of money transacted everyday and the volume of btc circulating in market..that's a ton ..

Actually, this only requires at least one ISP in ANY country on ANY landmass to work, since the rest, being an integral part of the web, will probably go through said ISP one way or another.. In this department, I'd suggest reading up on deep packet inspection, which is how this IS done right now.. by 98% of ISP's.

2:


Possibly I'm a noob, but at what exactly? I guess no-one understands that bitcoin can be used in an internal network, kinda like a wrk's payment/club card scenario. Run as an internal networked application, creating an internal blockchain, see, this is how I would in fact get started, adding it to the external blockchain would be my problem right there.. thats just to start with. Who cares if the experts say different, I did'nt become a pen tester to agree with things that appear to be unchangable. I am here to destroy, then rebuild.. for only then will I learn not to destroy.

Been to Ediinburgh anyone? Bank Hotel, Royal Mile.. sitting arguing till I was blue in the face with two software dev's claiming that I could indeed take a legally activated broadband modem to ANY house and it will work. They denied this.

Please notice your quotes dude, they are incorrect, I did not say what you are quoting.. another misleader..

So as I see it, bitcoin does nothing BUT hash checks. Each block it hashes is stored in the blockchain.

So all we would need to do is simulate those hashes in an internal network, then use one of those pc's to BUY using external scource, ie, the shop., placing hashes found on an internal network to the external blockchain, which of course, knows nothing of the internal network, and dont care, since the hashes created by the internal network were confirmed by other pc's on the internal network which were just as 'legal' as the external.. Just another theory ;)

Edit: You read it here first lol..

Ps, I aint interested in destroying bitcoin, just wanted to know of other 'hack's' excluding the 51% hard fork, which I read of years ago before it happened.. So dont think I'm a naysayer etc.. Just curious..

i read about 40% and 30% attack, at 2-3 confirmations , but i'm not sure how strong they are

It's time you read it there (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain)) first.

But the coins on your new chain won't be compatable with the real ones on the main chain. Also, once your internal chain connects to a genuine bitcoin node it will be overwritten. This is because the the chain with the longest highest difficulty wins.

Couldn't someone wealthy enough just buy out all the Bitcoins owned at the moment? it would be something like 2+ billion but the government certainly owns that amount and would probably be willing to destroy Bitcoin.

And who said that all the Bitcoins already generated are being sold by everyone?
"The government" can't even know who are all the people that has any amount of Bitcoins.

not everyoe is selling his bitcoin, whales also are holding, unless they are idiot who want to dump at current price which was pumped by themselves

I just know it's not possible or at least not easy to kill bitcoin.Even if  it's killed I am making sure I won't be bankrupted as the toll of money I spend on bitcoin is never ever anything more than that I could afford to loose.

Its plain impossible to kill BTC.

I never click external links, I just like reading n writing my friend..

Imagine.. Gov switches off net. All sats.. all communication.. start agin time.. with a new network.. since the old blockchain is dead, a new one would be created. So many currencies using generaly the same loop..

I mean a distributed wifi network can exist away from this internet and with it's own blockchain. all it would take is one machine on one network to add the hash to the other.. dont be telling me this cannot be achieved.. ;)

It's simply a question of timing.

This can of course, only be done as long as mining is 'in progress', once the 21 coins are created, then it's script kiddie time lol

It would actually cost something closer to ~8 billion, but this would assume that the price would not rise in the process of this one person buying up all the bitcoin. Also the fact that additional BTC is being created via the block reward roughly every 10 minutes makes it essentially impossible to buy up all the bitcoin.

I don't understand the intent of this discussion.

Sure, it's possible to "kill bitcoin" by strangling network connections. You can also attack piracy and kill p2p by fundamentally changing how networks work. Does this seem plausible?

It's probably possible and much easier to move bitcoin to a seedy, underground marketplace by outlawing bitcoin, putting the squeeze on exchanges, etc.

Nice way to put your head in the sand. Just ignore information even from the official bitcoin site and make up some
stuff instead.

Gov switches off the internet? Hmmmm OK

Yes it can, but the main chain won't accept these blocks because they have lower difficulty.

You could do the same after every coin is mined - provided that you beat the rest of the network to it.

When it comes to killing bitcoin, the easiest way would be to go the Australian method. Put a 10% tax on bitcoin purchases because it's not a currency but goods. Or the NYC way by requiring a ton of paperwork to open a business in bitcoin.
Either way, the hassle and cost outweight any benefits

A more technical way would be to build a massive hashing facility with taxpayer money and generate 50% of the hashrate. I don't think you even need to go that far. If they get enough blocks to make mining non profitable for the guys who actually have to pay for electricity and hardware, they will drive them out of the business. Thus securing even a bigger share of the global hashing power.

As bitcoin is an internet currency, it can be shutdown, when you shut down the internet.

If you want to know how the internet can be shut down. You have to learn, not imagine. The wisdom is not in us. Drugs will not make you wiser, man.

Strangling network connections isn't practical in my view. Moreover, taking btc underground will only reduce internet traffic to btc.

Strangling network connections is how I paraphrased the OP.  I don't think it makes sense either, except maybe for certain regimes.

If governments saw bitcoin as a threat, they might simply outlaw bitcoin or make the legal burden of exchanging bitcoin burdensome. It would be so much easier for governments to do, stifling acceptance and yet without being authoritarian.

Actually, my point is - wtf is the OP's point?

Network engineer here,

what you said was just utter horse shit! But, thanks! I had a good laugh. Don't tell me you're NextGenHacker101??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM

Anyway, I do also have a concern with BTC and i brought this up earlier;

what do you mean with "strangling network connections", it mean you close the connection? ddos them?

It would cost 800 trillion.

I am the sole holder of the private key to an address with 8 BTC, I will not sell them for less than 100 trillion USD each. There you go, the market at work.

And I'm just one person, who knows what the holdout selling price is for countless unknowable others?

Ever consider the possibility that here are some Bitcoin holders who won't sell at ANY fiat price, because they hate what nation-state fiat has done to this world??

Satoshi is one such person, I believe.

Its not easy to kill bitcoin. Even if govt tries to wipe off from surface internet, then it will goto deep web and still operate there as a currency.

Govt is already having hard time to bring down deep web links.

It's a dead end. Say they SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE INTERNET. So fucking what? there are legit millonaires in BTC that can send satelites into space and create their own internet to keep things going outside the "classic internet" may the situation demand it.

deep weep is actually contorlled by the govt lol, like tor, but it's true that bitcoin cannot be killed completely, you can reduce his marketcap only

Its hard to kill bitcoin, considering how vast the network is, the number of people involved and the money involved. Moreover its anonymous and tax free.

That is an ignorant topic...A more accurate topic would be "How easy it is to SLOW DOWN bitcoin"

Do you really think that with such global awareness and the amount of ridiculous accumulative intelligence we have we will not find a way?

Give me a break.. the day any oppressive regimes band together to fight Bitcoin at that level is the day BITCOIN will grow TEETH and bite back.. Remember that..

Examples?  Napster/Kazaa/Limewire - Evolution... Bittorrent
http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Fiery-Bitcoin-mod.jpg

Your logic is flawed. If there are people who are not willing to sell their bitcoin for any price then if would have the same effect as of the government owned them all because others could not buy it.

Everyone also has their own price for everything, even if they don't know it.

Yep... then a black market arises and people start selling IP addresses... think of Bitcoin like a cockroach... lol

I was trying to paraphrase what the OP said (and what slaveforanunnak1 described as horse shit):

Its simply put mission impossible.

Ignorant topic, got you talking about the reasons p2p should be shut down, they all origionated from piracy?

Yeah, welcome to bitcoin..

All you did for me here was point out why people should'nt bother if they are anywhere near good people with money to spend.. me, i prefer legit.. or go without..

I don't think OP really knows what he's talking about.

Please do not mistake the confused laws of a few emotionally damaged men as LEGIT... The government has passed a law indicating that it is OK to kill the leader of anything viewed as a riot or civil unrest via the use of military grade weapons not limited to but including sniper rifles with impunity.

So let me get this straight... four of us meet up at my house (What they refer to as a gathering in their white paper) and we go a peacefully sit down outside a gov building to protest how they handled situation X... a few other people see us and join us because they were also dominated by situation X... now I as the unofficial party 'leader'  and I am a target? Fuck off.. that is nonsensical and totalitarian.

Illegal is subjective to the eye of the person who is controlling the situation.. The laws of man and the laws of the universe are completely different..

They won't try to shut down bitcoin... it has way too much traction and serious groups of extremely intelligent hacktivists behind it.

http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf

Enjoy your new regime

Neither TOR nor the "deep web" is controlled by the government. You are spreading FUD.

TOR was created by the government (actually the Navy) but is run by a network of volunteers of various nodes in a very similar fashion as how the bitcoin nodes operate. The deep web would generally include sites that are not able to be accessed via a traditional browser alone, which would include most TOR sites. Bitcoin is generally the currency of choice for these kinds of sites, for both the ones that deal in illegal goods/services and sites that deal in more legitimate goods.

Which law would that be?

Citation required.

Of course, even if either tor or the "deep web" or both were controlled, influenced or monitored by the government, they would deny any such claims. So, how do you *know*?


And what if it came to pass that a substantial portion of tor nodes were run by or monitored by the government?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-stinks-nsa-presentation-document

This would be disastrous.
That's why it's so important people run their own nodes and contribute.

I run a tor and bitcoin node 24/7. Just doing my bit.

The cost is bandwidth, electricity and a big NSA red flag against my name. (Probably amber actual, not red.)

I totally agree with your opinion. Everyone can't stay home just because there is traffic accident outside.

Fuckin idiots doin nowt but talking about pirate apps.. Illegal is subjective to the eye of the person who is controlling the situation, yeah, hows about they send me in to regain control, and you shut the fuck up or i shoot you, hack that ya twat..

be a little realistic
if bitcoin was an obstacle for...smth (it doesn't matter), bitcoin has disappeared in 2009!

Dicksperiment clearly is a very angry little man, and has some serious life challenges ahead of him. Although he's wrong in most situations, a broken clock is correct twice a day, and I agree with him on fact that illegal is subjective.

Here, this is from the FAQ on the bitcoin website.

"Why do people trust Bitcoin?

Much of the trust in Bitcoin comes from the fact that it requires no trust at all. Bitcoin is fully open-source and decentralized. This means that anyone has access to the entire source code at any time. Any developer in the world can therefore verify exactly how Bitcoin works. All transactions and bitcoins issued into existence can be transparently consulted in real-time by anyone. All payments can be made without reliance on a third party and the whole system is protected by heavily peer-reviewed cryptographic algorithms like those used for online banking. No organization or individual can control Bitcoin, and the network remains secure even if not all of its users can be trusted."

An eye for an eye will leave the world blind my friend.

Exactly. AND you forgot a couple:

5. I killed JFK even though I was born 15 years after he died.
6. Hitler was a jew
7. Sun Tzu was Canadian
8. McDonalds burgers are healthier than lettuce.

It's technically improbable.

But McDonald's burgers have lettuce... does that mean McDonald's is healthier than McDonald's? That would be infinite health! Yay!

so, here's the thing...
I'm not really a fan of OP but you know,  the internet is much more fragile than some people may think. Who here knows what happened a couple of weeks ago with the internet? the 512K routes issue. We had fixed the issues on all but one of our Transit Routers and of course when Verizon sent that update, the TCAM on that Tranny shat the bed! we were scrambling to fix it and so was every other Network engineer and it took a good 3 - 4 days to fully fix all the issues. Now imagine if it was pandemic outside! The internet is working because Network guys are making sure it dos and if something break on the back-bone ( meaning some T1 carriers ATT, Level3, Deutsche Telekom, NTT etc.) people freak the fuck out and work tirelessly to fix it!! now imagine if they have something better to do, like protect their family from what ever the fuck event that happened! InterTITS will go down, and stay down, for a very long time in most of the world! sure, some things might still work locally but other than that we would be fucked!

I'm just saying....


link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/512k_day

...which would be less profitable than using them for mining
 Needless worry

This would be a complete waste of time and energy as mining ASICs don't do this calculation.

You can try to crack addresses using vanitygen if you like.
https://github.com/samr7/vanitygen

Hope you got plenty of time on your hands. :D

As long as every other species gets a fighting chance, so be it..

An ip means nothing. It could be a starbucks cofee serving 1000-2000 customers / day, an ip of a mall serving over 100.000 / day, or a public ip that receives traffic from 1000 laptops hidden under real umbrellas, on a beach in Brazil.

In the worst case scenario, they will find an ip, but an ip means nothing. An ip it's not you.

Yep, two different algorithms.  Mining uses the SHA256 hashing algorithm while transactions are validated with the ECDSA digital signature algorithm.

It is not necessary to kill the fiat - it's in for a suicide!

If you kill the Internet, you kill bitcoin. Otherwise, bitcoin is invincable.

Bitcoin is unstoppable, even if its not backed up by trusted orgs but many orgs are now starting to use it. Even many rich people use BTC :)

What if govt blacklists bitcoin websites...and intructs ISPs to do so? Then 99.9999% of bitcoin users will be away!!

Govt has serious powers imo.

Even if ASICs were able to check random private keys to attempt to locate any public key that ever has had a positive balance then the amount of energy required to find even one private key that meets this criteria would be enormous. It would literately take centuries if all of the sun's energy was used with the most efficient machine possible.

Actually the best way to kill it or kill it off, is to leave it to the devs..

I know of 3 bugs in the origional bitcoin application, that, despite countless updates, resemble battlefield bad company. See, I cant understand why with so many updates, the bugs people actually WANT removed are allowed to stay, "but we'll add this n that, creating more bugs people can complain about that we know we can fix" - Yeah.. How many changes were made to our wallet's? My lass has 600 bitcoins in her origional wallet, yet she has to install how many different versions BEFORE she can get to use them? Instant? Yeah, after 5 years of re-downloading blockchains before she can do whatever.. and that's of course if she can find every version of bitcoin that had changes made by people who are nothing to do with bitcoin, other than pretending satochi was the bitcoin creator..

Bitcoin app still closes when it wants. Runaway exception's causing whatever we have downloaded of the blockchain to be ruined, so start again.. and again.. how long will it take to download the blockchain in 5 years time?

Fact is, the app itself 'appears' to have zero or miniscule changes, yet how many versions of bitcoin app have been released?

Leave it to the devs.. since they probably own over 60% and wont part with them. Then there's the looming governmental controls.. it's bad enough trying to obtain bitcoins without wondering if they are worth anything at all in the real world, instead of purchasing power that gets ya 10 grands worth of pc that wont be worth half in the next year..

Look at all them faucets.. the fact they tell lies on their first page is enough to put any sensible person off them. Then ya get the stealthepixels scam of, visit next site to be paid instantly.. do you get paid instantly? NO. Conned again by a bitcoin dev.

Think I'm wrong?

75% of the world has NEVER heard of bitcoin, never mind used a computer.

Go on devs.. keep your bitcoins, cause if you think they are worth it, 75% of the world will be like, eh?

You sound like you want to hate Bitcoin, even after people have proven your hypothesis can't work.

Where are the bug reports you're talking about? Do you have links to GitHub?

Reading all that just gave me a headache... brb coffee...

So remind us again of your contributions to Bitcoin?

No-one has proven anything of whatever hypothesis, however they have THOUGHT and SPOKEN of that which they have yet to prove, has my hypothesis been tested? YES.

And it IS possible.

I am not a bitcoin hater, I am a hater of bitcoin HOLDERS and DEVS/WEBMASTERS, I mean, look at how shit there site's actually are, all the same adverts, from the same folks visiting the same folks, just reading this forum proves that.. who in their right mind would get involved in this kinda shite.. the devs should kill all those sites just to clean bitcoin's reputation up, cause everyone I know say's.. fuck that..

Bug reports? Check google, thousands of results, no fix's.. and yes, the top 2 I mentioned.. have still not been fixed..

Fuck bug reports, if they cant make software that is bug free, then they aint worth shit..

Why is apple still the best for quality? (though quickly declining since they no longer have a job lol)

They tested extensively before releasing anything.. that obviously went pair shaped with the intro of intel..

Yup, leave it to the devs..

Isn't that an ad hominem attack?


You're the one complaining. You're the one who need to provide the links to the bug reports.


Please show me a piece of software that is bug free.


Apple is a company. There's no company behind Bitcoin, just volunteers. Maybe instead of complaining, you could volunteer yourself. (Stating that Bitcoin is doomed is contributing nothing to its code.)

1. So be it.
2. I'm not complaining, I'm stating a fact or two. Bitcoin closing of it's own accord.. you say I need to..? No, I do not NEED anything, and if they want reports, they can pay for them.. I'm just pointing out what is WRONG with bitcoin.
3. Reaver 1.7 (private)
4. I know apple is a company.. Ok, hows about I become a volunteer for quality control, any bugs, and the devs are sacked.. oh, wait, you cant sack a volunteer now can ya?

And I've never stated bitcoin is doomed.

With regards to running two seperate blockchains and sending a 'found' block from one blockchain to the other which 'finds' it, and hence integrates it.. peice of piss..

Now who can tell if a correctly hashed block is from another blockchain? No-one.. And with the right timing, an entire blockchain can be replaced, so what if the users reject it, since it is now the latest one, so to speak, who can do what?

Alright then. This means arguing with you makes no sense.

Saw that about 15 minutes ago... lol

The hash must form a chain from the previous block.

Are you saying the alt blockchain is identical?

The devs don't own very many Bitcoins. Gavin doesn't at least. And Jeff Garzik revealed he only had like 300.

Wumpus or Sipa might a nice stash, but no where near this 60% number you speak of.

No, it means your so far behind me I that I aint got time to wait for you..

The simple fact is, how can bitcoin be instant when it is in fact not? Ultimatly people have to wait however long for whatever before you can obtain the luxury. And the USA/British empire will be long gone before most will part with enough bitcoins to make them anything like economically viable.. and those with the most are as clearly involved in the control of bitcoin by being thus, and since majority rule is still a natural fact, and the majority of the planet DONT have anywhere near either A: the equipment to mine, or B:the money to get anything of any sensible value that can actually be spent. Hence how bitcoin can be killed, it is a self consuming organism getting smaller and smaller as the consumption for it's creation gains momentum, whilst holders doin nothing for anyone other than a minority, ie, themselves.

I'll kill bitcoin just by stating so.

Psst, was'nt me :)

While everyone is busy being right and fighting trivial points, we know the code has flaws, we know it needs to be fixed and worked on, we know it is in it's infancy and this will take time and dedication...

So how about we all just take a step back - Ignore all the FUD, realize that we finally have a way to legally circumvent the domination the banking world has had over us for a long.. long time... fucking +1 in my book.  ;D :D

You are mistaken as to how bitcoin works. You don't need any of the blockchain to spend it. All you need is the private keys, and to know which inputs you want to spend and a way to broadcast your TX to the network.

If by infancy you mean it is young, fair does, but it's half way through the mining process.. just look at the power needed just to get the rest, never mind the extra power required by the many who just cant get the app to sync.. funny how movies download ok.. apart from the throttling by isp's.. another weakness.. but if the majority cant get them, then it's a short lived dream, it's only an act of appearing un-circumventible which in fact is a false staement, since I could come up with a thousand ways of thinking out how to, but I said it before, and I'll say it again, I dont hate bitcoin, just the hassle it brings, and the fact as a friend said tonight whilst pulling a 50 out his pocket, can you do that? (ok, rich kunts can lol)

The whole point of this thread was to find a way to show how bitcoin can be killed.. you dont need science to do it.. just the knowledge of how hoarders live ;)

And most of us know nothing of the banks 'hold' over us.. we've either got money or not. What banks do with it is allowed by the person placing trust in them. My hold over the banks, is knowing the 3 digit pin they show the world, you know the only pin you need to transfer any amount of any account into bitcoin. The fact this is available to the general public would be another 'excuse' to ban bitcoin outright, but I'd rather say to the banks that they compromised my bank account by printing said number on card, hence they are in effect the fraudsters, knowing this weakness no-one actually wanted.

I wouldnt say I'm mistaken, maybe misunderstanding, but I have run 2 networks as a test, started each with it's own blockchain, and succesfully placed a found block from one blockchain into another, from then, the two became 1 new one run by two networks. I dont think I'm mistaken, when I think I can not so much 'replace' as 'remix' the blockchain by adding another tune entirely.. it is all a matter of when to do what..

IMO easiest would be to get ghash and one another pool to do the work. Probably by blackmail or if the government puts pressure. This is a very weak point for Bitcoin.

There is so much misinformation in this thread presented as fact, that it makes my head spin...

The sad fact is, I'm not even a genius at "hacking" or what have you, but I do have several technology degrees and I can spot them.  This is pathetic.  And it's not even all from the op (though he's certainly on the leaderboard), some of the people defending bitcoin are just as clueless.

Leaving before I got more of a headache...

Dae it quietly.. misinformation? The end user knows all about mis-information, since bitcoin is NOT satochi.. wether they know this or not does not stop the mis-informaers does it, no matter how many degree's they have after their name (spot the funny handshaker, no wonder the japs think it's bad manners)

Me personally, I'm not a hacker, though I have the ability.. I test, or experiment.. but then, thats the difference between those taught a certain 'track' compared with those that go off the rails, and find new territory, stick wi yer degree's, looks like you need them..

If I had 600 BTC, I wouldn't mind waiting for a couple of days for the blockchain download... More to the point, you don't really need to wait for the complete download of the blockchain to use it. Without it, your balance would not be necessarily up to date because the app doesn't see all the transactions but if you just want to spend you can create a transaction. TBH, the bitcoin core app isn't the best wallet application at all. Its strength is in the implementation of the bitcoin protocol. As a matter of fact, the majority of bitcoin users don't even run it.
The devs own a miserable portions of the coins. They could have but they are devs and not miners or investors. Besides, only of them is paid for their work on bitcoin.
Faucets are scams. Yes, but that's the fault of the faucet - not of bitcoin. Do you blame the dollar for the scams in dollar?

Bitcoin mining is like moving train. In the beginning, it was going at a very slow pace and very little computing resource was used. Satoshi mined a million BTC with a laptop and he could have done it in an instant if he wanted. Some altcoins premine. With the current adoption, it moves at a very fast speed. Jumping on board is nearly impossible. Your experiment shows that you can jump on a slow moving train but it won't work with the main blockchain.

I'm not saying that bitcoin is without flaws but your analysis is incorrect on the technical aspects.
However, whether bitcoin will work or not doesn't depend only on that. Bitcoin could die simply because people don't care / don't trust it and not because someone decides to kill it.

Yeah, totally agree with the last bit.. see, there's just not enough in the hands of individual's to be of any real use as a currency.. and by the time most holders realise this, they wont be able to sell them, cause the new world order currency euro-doll came out..

It is actually gaining traction, Man it has a seriously long trip to do.. It is trying to go to the moon... GIVE IT A MOMENT WILL YOU...  lol  :D

All they would have to do is tax ASICs.

That is much easier said then done. From a technical standpoint ASICs are very different from a personal computer or a specialized computer (it really is a specialized computer), however from a legal perspective I think they are pretty much the same, so it would not be possible to write a law that taxes ASICs but not laptops.

You don't need to have the entire blockchain in order to use/spend bitcoin. If your client is missing a portion of the blockchain then you would not have your "balance" updated for any TXs after the last block but everything else would work fine. You would be able to send and receive bitcoin the exact same way, only that you would have difficulty verifying that a TX was in fact confirmed.

I want to add a big LOL to this comment. Add something like Bin Laden's alive, Michael will return and Tupac is not dead.  :D :D

Security? Do you mean that using Bitcoin would make parasite's life harder?

Bitcoin can be lot more tough to kill especially with the amount of miners mining bTC and the no of transactions going on everyday.

The problem with the above, is now it will take double if not quadruple the time to mine anything..?

It's impossible, it would be like trying to kill T-1000, good luck with that!

are you nuts?

Decksperiment

a brokenhearted..Its seems

Of course am fuckin nuts.. c'mere while I nut ye ya K**t..

You are a sick player my man, thinking what you just wrote matters.. since it matters to everyone at one point or another.. for you however, I grant this to you and your family for the rest of your families existance, ahave a nice day..

A broken heart? yeah, when I was WEE.. Am big enuff tae have kids that will bring you to me..

Ps.. see that backtrack slogan? think you can make one like that? Origional? Sell ye mine.. ?

Didnae think so.. why give u a scent?

I am pretty sure what decksperiment is saying about being able to intercept bitcoin payments is not true. When a TX is sent the TX is signed with something that proves the holder of the private key actually signed the message. The signature is unique to, both the amount of bitcoin being sent as well as what address the TX is sending to (among other things). 

What's wrong with that? That's Bitcoin is more secure.

How do you kill the internet?

How do you read an encrypted datagram or packet?

Can torrents be stopped? (the ones that don't use web based trackers anyways?)


On another tangent, if the top 50 countries (the rich ones) ban bitcoin and succeed in doing so, how about the rest of the world? Will they all follow? Or will they embrace crypto? Not just the governments, but the people of those countries.

It's impossible, unless you kill civilization, literally.

I think it is almost impossible to kill Bitcoin. Day by day Bitcoin is becoming more popular. Most of the online stores start accepting Bitcoin including Ebay and Amazon.

To kill bitcoin you should hack all the computers and farms on the network, it's impossible.

1. ddos isp port 69, this will prevent, if successful, any modem receiving the config file required to get you online. Failin that, switch off national grid.

2. Solarwinds amongst others..

3. Banning wont work, for the same reasons most have posted here. Have you seen the speeds of torrents nowadaiz? Off course the isp can 'see' p2p transfer's, and can filter/throttle them, in fact, if I was an isp and wanted none of my customers to use bitcoin, I would simply block all p2p traffic in cmts.. like they CAN..

Remember guys, I'm just curious. I appreciate the good posts that offer interesting comments, but the one liners from pointed hats in a corner.. no wonder they sit there..

I accept it cannot be killed. However I also believe it CAN be hacked, which this thread should have been called.

Thank you everyone, I'm done with this thread, the best win, and I sit here satisfied at being well taught by none, bar a few good yins ;)