How easy it is to KILL bitcoin.

[nanonano]

I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect.

Sentences like this are the reason people think you are high. It doesn't make any sense and surrounding it with Internet tough guy talk doesn't help.

[Decksperiment]

I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect.

Sentences like this are the reason people think you are high. It doesn't make any sense and surrounding it with Internet tough guy talk doesn't help.

Internet tough guy? Wow.. I like comming here to see y'all take the bait, it's like, well..

Street tough guy.. It's godamn easier to burst open a hole in the wall cash machine with a solenoid from a microwave oven than it is to get paid from btc owners..

[Decksperiment]

Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?

Maybe. Some people have their own ASNs and don't need a stinking ISP.

Your statement here reminds me of the flaw in the 150mb connection.. what good is that if the other end is only on a 56k modem?

Just as THEY use an ISP.. you may not..

In any case, all this packet blocking discussions is moot until Bitcoin becomes globally outlawed like child porn. Speaking of which there are still underground child porn businesses and communities using encrypted internet communications and they can't be completely stamped out.

If governments get to this point we'd have more serious problems to deal with.

They cant outlaw something they WANT to tax..

[Decksperiment]

You, sir, are high on crack.

Linux users probably think they are cool and can bypass this.. no they cant. They think they can use TOR or some other ip spoofing method.. THIS is an illusion. Yeah it hides your ip from other end users, but YOUR isp has YOUR ip, period.

MY IP, yes. Not the IP of the actual server or person I'm communicating with. Just some random TOR node.

Notice we are all given static ip's now? These are postcoded. Geo tagging is applied to ALL packets leaving YOUR pc at the ISP level, they can now decide where to send ALL packets using strict filtering rules.

Geo tagging is applied to all packets? Really?
Even if that were true (which isn't the case) they are tagging outer dummy packets. Not the actual packets which are encrypted and embedded in the TOR traffic.

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

Do you realize that in order to receive bitcoins on addresses, or send from those addresses, you don't need to have or manage those addresses (or their private keys) at your own PC and IP at all?


Sorry pal, you seem to have an utter lack of understanding even the basic principles of TCP/IP, TOR, and Bitcoin.

Geotagging is now employed at the ips level where i live. Tor Has been trashed by some excellent hackers that can do what they want with our pc's (if installed).. 2 police forces in america had to cough up in btc in order to have their files unlocked.. so much for the cloud.. tor is useless, and btc is falling since I re-juvenated my account here due to being ripped off by tha faucets.. people are reading they wont get paid get it? And as a premier hacker of docsis networks, I'd say I have a better understanding of how to cripple you via your modem than you do me (thats not intended as a threat or challenge, just a fact) wether your using tor or not. This implies a better than average understanding of tcp/ip no?

And to call me a pal.. do I look like I am a rosicrucian? You dont even know the true import of the word to use it effectivly.. Brother P.A.L? - A soldier in Damascus..

[Kazimir]

Geotagging is now employed at the ips level where i live.

Honestly, I think you're talking out of your arse. But I'd love to be proven wrong, any proof/specs?

Tor Has been trashed by some excellent hackers that can do what they want with our pc's (if installed)..

Complete and utter bullcrap.
Talk is cheap, FUD is even cheaper.

2 police forces in america had to cough up in btc in order to have their files unlocked..

What...? (is this supposed to be a point against the robustness of Bitcoin, or )

so much for the cloud..

What does 'the cloud' have to do with all this? Besides, without any further context, 'the cloud' essentially means the same as 'online' or 'the internet'.

tor is useless,

Nope.

And as a premier hacker of docsis networks, I'd say I have a better understanding of how to cripple you via your modem than you do me (thats not intended as a threat or challenge, just a fact) wether your using tor or not. This implies a better than average understanding of tcp/ip no?

Please do. Go ahead. I have a bunch of bitcoins here on my PC, they're yours if you can hack them. I actually happen to be on a docsis modem, so should be a piece of cake for you. And by all means don't let any ethics hold you back, please prove me wrong and steal my money.

[Decksperiment]

Geotagging is now employed at the ips level where i live.

Honestly, I think you're talking out of your arse. But I'd love to be proven wrong, any proof/specs?

Tor Has been trashed by some excellent hackers that can do what they want with our pc's (if installed)..

Complete and utter bullcrap.
Talk is cheap, FUD is even cheaper.

2 police forces in america had to cough up in btc in order to have their files unlocked..

What...? (is this supposed to be a point against the robustness of Bitcoin, or )

so much for the cloud..

What does 'the cloud' have to do with all this? Besides, without any further context, 'the cloud' essentially means the same as 'online' or 'the internet'.

tor is useless,

Nope.

And as a premier hacker of docsis networks, I'd say I have a better understanding of how to cripple you via your modem than you do me (thats not intended as a threat or challenge, just a fact) wether your using tor or not. This implies a better than average understanding of tcp/ip no?

Please do. Go ahead. I have a bunch of bitcoins here on my PC, they're yours if you can hack them. I actually happen to be on a docsis modem, so should be a piece of cake for you. And by all means don't let any ethics hold you back, please prove me wrong and steal my money.

1. Clearly you are under-informed. See, 99% of the best security given to docsis was created 2 miles from where I live.. Then it is shipped to the USA and is implemented around 6 months later.. this is evident in a plethora of docsis hacking sites if you read and take notes. Where new security starts, to where it is implemented.. But the usa is not the LAST to receive it, england is. Average time span, 12-18 months later. This is why whilst in the uk, people knew of the requirement of a private string that could'nt be used here, but, for a time, could still be found 18 months later in the us. Not any more huh? For We removed said string from the equation, preventing the most qualified from finding it.. bang went the docsis hackers..

2. There are at least 20 sites with entirely different stories regarding those police dept's that had to pay in btc. This was nothing to do with bitcoin, but how TOR was used to implement the russian hack that is INCLUDED in tor, that same hack that recently was broadcast on RT, with over 1 and a half BILLION accounts compromised. FACT.

3. The cloud is just a scam to get docile people to store their stuff on other peoples computers in order to then charge a fee for access at a later date. FACT.

4. If you are suggesting I should break the law by hacking you for stupid btc when I'd prefer to empty your bank account using the same method the russians used via tor, you are insane. The fact I can hack docsis is evident all over the net.. You are an insignificant target.. post your ip, and I'll oblige however..

EDIT: The biggest flaw with Tor is that 99.9% of Tor users also use other applications and dont route them THROUGH TOR, creating a link to origionating scource. FACT.

[xDan]

So what? I think most people are aware that governments could cripple BTC. I don't think they even need a technical solution; simply making it illegal will destroy 95% of use. But, if this happens, then there are far greater problems for democracy (and I hope there will be protests on the streets). They haven't yet pulled the plug on bittorrent, despite the fact that the majority of use is "illegal". For bitcoin, I can see the majority of use being "legal".

The best bet is to continue building the ecosystem until enough commerce relies on it that killing it would damage a country's economy, or put it at a disadvantage to another country.

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btw you sound a little schizo OP.

[Sheldor333]

The only way I could see it happen is if someone invented quantum computer and used it to mine, he would be able to mine a lot and get everyone else out of the business and get everything mined ahead of time it is supposed to happen. There would be a way to stop it but one would have to adopt that really fast.

[johnyj]

OP are too pessimistic, on the positive side, the first country who support it (maybe England is on the way) will be greatly benefited (new economy, new jobs, new foreign money inflow) and others will follow

300 years ago, when John Law banned private person from holding gold at France, all the gold flow to Holland and nearby countries, and you can guess who is most benefited

[Daniel91]

So what? I think most people are aware that governments could cripple BTC. I don't think they even need a technical solution; simply making it illegal will destroy 95% of use. But, if this happens, then there are far greater problems for democracy (and I hope there will be protests on the streets). They haven't yet pulled the plug on bittorrent, despite the fact that the majority of use is "illegal". For bitcoin, I can see the majority of use being "legal".

The best bet is to continue building the ecosystem until enough commerce relies on it that killing it would damage a country's economy, or put it at a disadvantage to another country.

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btw you sound a little schizo OP.

Yes true but I hope this will never happen.
Realistically, I think our governments have much more important issues to deal with, not to fight against Bitcoin.
In fact, bitcoin can even help them, economy, if they use it wisely.
I hope they will never attempt to make Bitcoin illegal, this will create a lot controversy and push bitcoin in dark area, and it will be even harder to make bitcoin mainstream and global success.
Hope that our governments will realize huge potential in bitcoin and use this benefits, not to try to kill Bitcoin.

[phillipsjk]

My interest in the internet is nothing more than testing my abilities as a penetration tester, with little or no knowledge of the victim. If you think you have thought of everything, I will create that which you never thought of.. just to prove it can be done.

You sound like you focus on physical security more than network security.

First, create laws requiring interception of all traffic at the ISP level.

Second, lets give it a fictional name, like 'No Shitty Attacks' or NSA for short.

Place 'NSA Killbox' between ISP and the world. Switch to record mode.

This means A box between YOUR isp, and the rest of the world. Nothing you can do about this.

There is a box between most user's ISP and their network already: home routers that tend to have back-doors the NSA probably knows about. They may be reluctant to exploit these in a readily detectable manner for fear of the back-door being discovered.

When it's decided bitcoin is a threat to the security of any MAJOR country, they can force the isp to re-route p2p traffic to a dns dead end. At this point they can be clear and say, you want passed here, your paying for it.. This is how to tax bitcoin.

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

Here you don't appear to understand how bitcoin works. Bitcoin does not strictly rely on all users having direct Internet access. You can distribute the block chain and transactions by modem or mail links.

It will take a while for the  super-powers to attack Bitcoin directly due to its strategic importance. If one super power decides to unilaterally attack the network, they risk sparking a new arms race from competing super powers trying to defend it.

Edit: a dns dead-end is easy to work-around.

[Razick]

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

Knowing an address does not allow you to sweep it's funds.

[Decksperiment]

Guys in all honesty, I was bored and thought, well, if there's one thing I like about this site it's the ability to write what I want, and not get banned, that to me is a gold min in itself.. And I have answered some very interesting points with nothing BUT the truth. BUt I dont really give a hoots about bitcoin, it runs while I play, thats all it is to me, I'm not trading in it, I'm just collecting through curiosity, and seeing in the long run what actually happens to it. I personally got 3 major sites into at least using btc to accept donations.

As I really see bitcoin, it's like a plethora of websites.. when a new fashion comes along people may be afraid of, they give it away for free, this is the business model.. and once people rely on it, it becomes the norm to pay/charge for it in one way or another, so btc, or any other currency, CAN be controlled, and by that centralized scource known as the cloud. By using the cloud you kill the de-centralization.

I'm not here to discuss the in's and outs of docsis networks, or security, I was reflecting on how insecure it all actually is, and how those that DONT actually KNOW are full of words (like myself) until the evidence is presented to them that THINK they know, in a laymans term, whilst those that DO say nothing, because they know I have written the truth.

And it does prevail..

Please note my login name.. thats not a joke.. it's what I do.. when I came up with that in the '80's, it said what I did on decks.. but I have experimented in one form or another every day of my life knowing at anytime I could get the shock that kills.. All I have done in this thread is to experiment with crowd response to what is about to be produced, and how it will be done, this was part of it's creation.

Tis the story of the hat.. I drew a picture.. and all the worker bees went on their merry way all over the world until they produced what was drawn. Thank you for taking part.

As for those that think they know..

Of the hack that will place all remaining btc online at once?

[Decksperiment]

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

Knowing an address does not allow you to sweep it's funds.

It does however create focus. Point of origin. How far from your computer is your phone? Give or take, around 13 feet.. Geo taggng in effect.. everyone knows how it works.. did they put 2 and 2 together?

Where is your wallet? Which one? Who sent what transaction? What l/p did they use? Most likely the same email in the phone. Shit, there is an app that shows you the location of who is downloading what all around you, no matter where you live.. And btc transactions are p2p upload/downloads..

Smile, may I take a picture? (old nokia james bond hack)

[Bit_Happy]

I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect.

Sentences like this are the reason people think you are high. It doesn't make any sense and surrounding it with Internet tough guy talk doesn't help.

Internet tough guy? Wow.. I like comming here to see y'all take the bait, it's like, well..

Street tough guy.. It's godamn easier to burst open a hole in the wall cash machine with a solenoid from a microwave oven than it is to get paid from btc owners..

You are saying you have trouble "getting paid from btc owners", is this the root cause of your 'other issues'? 

[Decksperiment]

My interest in the internet is nothing more than testing my abilities as a penetration tester, with little or no knowledge of the victim. If you think you have thought of everything, I will create that which you never thought of.. just to prove it can be done.

You sound like you focus on physical security more than network security.

First, create laws requiring interception of all traffic at the ISP level.

Second, lets give it a fictional name, like 'No Shitty Attacks' or NSA for short.

Place 'NSA Killbox' between ISP and the world. Switch to record mode.

This means A box between YOUR isp, and the rest of the world. Nothing you can do about this.

There is a box between most user's ISP and their network already: home routers that tend to have back-doors the NSA probably knows about. They may be reluctant to exploit these in a readily detectable manner for fear of the back-door being discovered.

When it's decided bitcoin is a threat to the security of any MAJOR country, they can force the isp to re-route p2p traffic to a dns dead end. At this point they can be clear and say, you want passed here, your paying for it.. This is how to tax bitcoin.

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

Here you don't appear to understand how bitcoin works. Bitcoin does not strictly rely on all users having direct Internet access. You can distribute the block chain and transactions by modem or mail links.

It will take a while for the  super-powers to attack Bitcoin directly due to its strategic importance. If one super power decides to unilaterally attack the network, they risk sparking a new arms race from competing super powers trying to defend it.

Edit: a dns dead-end is easy to work-around.

1. Yes I focus on physical security, and leave the programming to those that can. As long as there is someone who can interpret my words into a script that can run, I'm happy. I know of around 10 decent programmers who can do this. It's better someone with my ability to 'see' the possible way around keeps this to a minimum.

2. Tis is not the network I was refering to, the network I was refering to is the one the cmts connect's you to for you to get the net. A short way.. connect to the cmts, the cmts connects to THE box, then you are forwarded to the net. This was mostly first used in early tv, the 3 minute gap between live broadcast and transmission to the masses.. the delay required to manipulate.. ANYTHING..

And for your edit.. yes, and how to is already mentioned? I did'nt link the 2 intentionally

[Decksperiment]

I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect.

Sentences like this are the reason people think you are high. It doesn't make any sense and surrounding it with Internet tough guy talk doesn't help.

Internet tough guy? Wow.. I like comming here to see y'all take the bait, it's like, well..

Street tough guy.. It's godamn easier to burst open a hole in the wall cash machine with a solenoid from a microwave oven than it is to get paid from btc owners..

You are saying you have trouble "getting paid from btc owners", is this the root cause of your 'other issues'?  

No, I'm speaking for ALL who dont..

As for your 'other' ? issue's? So many m8.. I recognise the phsycho analyst in you, just by YOUR word's.. They were NOT mine

[shawshankinmate37927]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/north-korea-clandestine-tv-aerials-banned-programmes

Point is.... it will be a never ending fight. Do not under-estimate the power of suppressed people, this just gives them MORE determination to create or modify or design a totally new route to get what they want

At the moment it is not needed, but give them a need and watch what happens

Our overlords will have one hell of a time trying to track down transactions when they protected with steganography.

[Brewins]

Seize of ISP packets by NSA or anyone else would be an international scandal, much bigger than all the Snowden revelations together.

Things need to worse a lot for that be a real short term menace. And even if it becomes a menace in some parts of the world, it won't be in ALL the world, unless they create the unified world goverment, what is far beyond to happen.
If your ISP screw things for you, you can use sattelite internet or something to bypass it, from a country with no such restrictions

[BittBurger]

OP:

Anything can be killed if the WHOLE WORLD bands together to kill it.

But any retard can see that this wont happen.  Your entire premise that it will, (or even "might"), is absurd.  

The amount of worldwide hatred required for such large quantities of powers to gather together, is non existent.

Additionally, basic reality has shown us that what is illegal one place is not illegal other places.  What is hated by one government is tolerated by another.

Your awareness of this basic truth about the world around you, seems to be drastically lacking.

Therefore your method by which Bitcoin can be killed is pointless hot air.  A hypothetical thought experiment at best.

Of course Bitcoin can be killed.  But only in the sense of worldwide mass adoption and commerce.  If even one person is mining, its not technically dead.

The chances of all the steps necessary to fully kill it, happening?   Zero.

-B-