Bitcoin Forum

The recent discussion about the hardfork (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.0) and this long bearmarket has brought several things to light:

-Bitcoin suffers from high inflation and is unable to maintain its value. This makes it unfit for use in daily business, slows adoption and makes it very volatile and a psychological terror for many people

-The bitcoiners (especially the bigger bagholders) in large parts suffer delusion of grandeur thinking it would take over the world or at least pretending to think it in order to draw in noobs and rob them of their money (transfer their wealth to miners and early investors)

- Bitcoin is wasteful. The high inflation leads to a too large and centralised mining industry consuming huge amounts of electricity and money.

- Bitcoin actively holds down alternative currencies and with this slows down progress and real innovation (bitcoins only concern in regards of innovation seems to be to keep the upper hand over alts and with this behaviour ensure the latecomers not get a thing from joining the cryptomovement and are forced to use btc instead to make the large bagholders rich while preventing everyone who joined later to make profit at all. So bitcoin is anti fair distribution and an elitist shitcoin)

- The fork-issue has shown large parts of btc bagholders have become so arrogant they want to get rid of the consensus and don't care anymore about decentralisation

- Bitcoin does not care about the little man, it's all about that small cabale that was around at launch.


Bitcoin has become the cancer of cryptocurrency and holds back progress and surpresses the entire altcoin industry. It is a scam for early adopters and miners to get rich of YOUR money by hyping  it up to the point of telling people 10million$ for a coin would be realistic. This is a get rich quick mentality and often times misleading marketing (comparison to gold while it is inflationary more than fiat) and bitcoin looks very, very much like a ponzi right now.


If you feel the same or agree with some of these points or have other fundamental critique on btc i would invite you to join the campaign for boycott. Feel free to put a statement of protest/boycott into your signature and stop using it. Use altcoins instead and demand from exchanges tradingpairs with other coins as basecurrency.

Bitcoin needs to be canceled. It has nothing to do anymore with the original idea of cryptocurrency.

Thank you for your attention and time.

sure, it would strenghten alts which is their greatest fear. Stronger alts would provide us little people could get a slice of the pie. Bitcoin itself goes nowhere because inflation. So with this currency we are going nowhere. I am all for stronger altcoins and less marketshare for btc (can't hold the value anyways, pump and dump shitcoin).
Bitcoins distribution is a joke. Why would anyone want to use that? Altcoin industry is distributed to much more people and much more equally than bitcoin is. So holding that down with their propaganda and actions is essentially robbing us altcoin investors.

they are all that what needed to be avoided. Totally lost their way but bully everyone else. They are anti-colourful, anti-diversity, anti-efficiency, anti-profit for the latecomers, anti-wealthdistribution, anti innovation, anti decentralisation, anti the sane mind

i refuse to use it.

I'm not for a "boycott" but I know what you are saying, it's insulting to see these Bitcoin technocrats and celebrities getting up on stage or on twitter yacking how the alt market is nothing but a den of crooks and thieves, yet they want to fork the innovations created in this "scam market" for themselves via sidechains.

exactly and the least we can do is oppose  this ideology and propaganda.
They are all hypocrits pumping their own bags and nothing else.

Bitcoin is not superior to alts, in fact it is inferior to many alts

I applaude this effort. Supporting this.

I agree that it suppresses progression and innovation in other cryptos, it's like a fat guy getting passed by a more fit person trying to hold him not letting him pass. Mjority of Bitcoin fans do the same by trying to talk shit on other projects attempting to not let them pass by, even if that project offers a real purpose and innovation, they get butthurt because its not bitcoin.

I'm a bitcoin supporter aswell but their fan base is getting retarded and not willing to open their fcking eyes to potential projects, especially some 2.0 startups which i hope to shine and put bitcoiners a lesson not to think bitcoin is the only true currency.

I blame the bubbles. What would have worked well is for Bitcoin to have gradually gained interest and mainstream adoption. Then the price would reflect this growing demand and the market cap would increase at a steadily rate that would have made the inflation irrelevant. Look at what happened in 2012 as an example. Bitcoin slowly appreciated in price in a sensible manner. Instead what we got were a series of bubbles, bear markets, and butthurt "investors". Bitcoin isn't the problem. We are.

it's all pump and dump

if bitcoin deso`nt help u !! then share it amony peoples !! i m not leaving bitcoin !! and never will !!

I don't know why I'm even replying. But let me try this one time.


https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_can.27t_work_because_there_is_no_way_to_control_inflation


I don't agree with this, but people have a right to think whatever they like - even if they are clearly wrong.


I agree that POW is wasteful, however POW is the currently most tested and studied system. At least we know all of the strengths/weaknesses of POW, another scheme may have weaknesses that weren't even thought about until it's too late. I would imagine Bitcoin might one day switch to a less wasteful system once one has been tested and studied as much as POW has and such a scheme has noticeable improvements over POW.


Source on this please.

Most alternative cryptocurrencies are using the Bitcoin Core client source code and are merging all of the changes made to it. Bitcoin does help altcoins tremendulously.

IMO, people are making a big deal out of the fork issue when it's not needed. It's hardly like 1MB is some super magical number. It reminds me of the time Bill Gates said computers would never need more than 640KB RAM. The Blockchain is being used to store a lot more stuff than initially thought and Bitcoin has grown way faster than what was expected. This is the second time we've had to change the block limit.


Source please. I don't see how Bitcoin cares more about any group in particular or how it is hostile to any group. It's just an openly-developed protocol.


I really hate the "hyping" stuff, but what can I do. People are free to do whatever they want, I can't stop them. The hyping thing happens with altcoins too.

But I don't see how Bitcoin is holding back altcoins especially when most altcoins are using it's codebase.

Hard to tell whether you're trolling (I suspect you are) but the cancer of cryptos are altcoin scams and it's the adopters of these shitcoins and scamscoins that actually want to 'get rich off your money by hyping it up'. Actually come to think about it I think you're trying to be ironic here lol.

@Blazr

discussion and arguments about mining is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918068.0

pow is not wasteful, pow with high inflation is. All arguments in the thread above

don't have time for the rest. Seen you comment in meta you wanted to get rid of altsection altogether
see here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885736.0

so you are biased by the bag you are holding and thus i don't have time for arguments with you. Maybe on the other thread about the mining, yes. but not on this one.

This thread of yours just backs up my points

yes, scams are a problem. And i suspect a good  portion of those scams is orchestrated by the bitcoiners to hold the alts down and teach people "just stay with bitcoin". It also explains why these scams are allowed here.

Actually I wanted to separate Bitcoin and altcoins, which makes a lot of sense.

That doesn't prove that I own Bitcoin, hence doesn't make me a "biased bagholder" I sold most of my Bitcoin when it was $30. All my points were completely unbiased.

You should also read up on the definition of the word inflation, you seem to be using it to mean something else:

Scams are not allowed here, but the staff won't "hold your hand", you have watch out for scams yourself.

In the altcoin world, it appears the majority of scamcoins are made by a very small number of people with lots of sockpuppets.

I find it hard to believe that the scamcoins arent driven by greed but by a desire to push Bitcoin. Thats some conspiracy right there.

Could very well be there's kind of a conspiracy that's just not talked about open but kind of natural thing for bitcoiners to conspire to screw over altcoins without them even talking about it. It just so happens: the big bagholders will all agree 'bitcoin is the only real coin and on its success depends everything else' - that's the propaganda they put out every day. It's actually clear as day.

someone post this thread in r/bitcoin

There was a war? oh no! how many people died? was it as bad as the time the USD declared war on the Euro because the Euro claimed USD bank notes had inferior conterfeiting protections?

yes, scams are a problem. And i suspect a good  portion of those scams is orchestrated by the bitcoiners to hold the alts down and teach people "just stay with bitcoin". It also explains why these scams are allowed here.

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HOLY COW! I just had my daily moment of clarity.

but
I think it is mostly mid-range whales.  
Guys that scored less than 100-1000btc.

In alts they discovered the art of pump and dump.
And tripled themselves to 300-3000btc.
They've milked that cow dry.

HOWEVER
that pile of scam coin loot is starting to rot
as the bitcoin drops back to reality after a 14month binge

Most will hit the doors for $fiat
oh ... mtGox, Stamp-pede 2015
yeah that

Others will dump into the alt market.

And we are talking super SUPER dumpage.

There are many btc whales that never dumped.  Yeah they sold 100 here and there.
But that stash of 10,000 has never touched the market.  In this denial stage of the market they are pissed but hopeful.  
"I was worth millions!"

CAPITULATION
"Bitcoin $200 - $150 - $50 !!!"
That is when the whales start to dump in numbers you've never seen.

So you have noobs who are dumping investment $10k(#15 coins)  
and whales who are dumping investment i-mined-them-in-2012(#10000 coins)
and the corps who are dumping (microsoft, overstock, dell)

What's the bottom of that market?

nah. they'll cash out when BTC hits below $200. Lot of them already have. Those who are playing with altcoin markets are traders and rest are just holders. They wouldn't know what to do with the market even if they dump their coins. They'll end up losing it if they don't know what the fck they're doing.

Just because someone has 5000 BTC doesn't mean he can play with altcoin market. He would be left with no choice but divest but I think majority holders have already divested when market was $1200. Now they just buy bitcoins because they have luxury to do so. I don't think many are even holding that much.

People who had 5000-10000 BTC that became $12000000. You think they would just wait for BTC to get to $50 before cashing out? Market has been on decline since January

As litecoin began its first run up Bitcoiners simply decided to flood the market with altcoins, "divide the morons up into oblivion behind hundreds of altcoins" it's been very profitable for them.

This notion of the altcoin section (altcoins) distancing itself from Bitcoin boycotting it even is totally hilarious.
Its more like this if you can picture the scene -

The Bitcoiners are at the back of the locomotive pulling the pin out of the altcoin carriage. Your all drinking Kool-aid as your carriage draws to a standstill as you look up the tracks a jubilant group of Bitcoiners are smiling waving and blowing kisses at you as they disappear off into the distance .  :-*

Solution - buy Litecoin - Thankyou and goodnight  ;D

You sir deserve an award, that is exactly what has been happening ^^ post above mine keep it real homie an You wanna help find the scams then find Findcoin created to out these little fu*&*^s 

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/974/clap.gif

You sir, deserve a medal +100000000

Bitcoin is the biggest shitcoin/scamcoin there is, if it were launched today it would go nowhere because it's technologically behind every single one of the altcoins, even the bad ones.
only thing keeping it up really is the amount of money that jumped into it at the beginning and the fact that newcomers always hear first of bitcoin and then someone speaks of any other coin as an "altcoin" or a "clone" which makes them look bad even before anyone takes a look at how they are.

Viacoin for example is 10000 times better than btc for any real usage that may come from it, but, this is also everyone's fault, the exchanges for only listing btc as the "big" coin which converts to fiat and pretty much only listing that one and litecoin (who?).

True, most alts are crap, but some of them, around 1-2% (which is a lot considering the amount of alts in existance) are actually quite good and comparing them to btc is like comparing an aston martin to an old crappy ass buick.

I've honestly lost a lot more money holding BTC than holding alts, a LOT more.

Bitcoin's advantage over altcoins, and it definitely is the top used coin as it currently has the greatest market cap, is the network effect. BTC is lightyear's ahead of alts in this respect. Maybe it will continue development *counterparty* and remain like the top coin (which is what m to be happening now - it doesn't have to innovate as fast as alts, it just has to remain the most attractive coin), or maybe something will eventually replace it. Why do you think it needs to be boycotted?

Probably because of its toxicity, delusions of grandeur, fraudulent marketing, unability to be a store of value.

If you do not openly boycott it nothing will change and they keep trashtalking alts. We need other basecurrencies for trading, fully agree. Bitcoin had its time. It was fun and all but now it is time for it to step down and give way to innovation and a healthy industry.


nails it

thank god it crashes right now. Good riddance.

the thing though few if any new alt is in any way, for any practical adoptive purpose, 'innovative', 'innovations' just a term to sell a new scam to the get rich quick crowd.

happens when ur in it for fiat rather then cryptos  ;)

the only reason I have ever bought bitcoin is to buy superior alts which I use and save.
they also have no 'foundation' , and don't go grovelling to governments and banks

bitcoin just became too damn corporate, which is weird as has been such a naughty boy (silk road and scammers)

I love crypto and the sense of empowerment and very grateful for the concept and implementation by satoshi and for bitcoins existence.

but I have my altcoin communities and coins that i love and look forward to seeing the good coins grow and grow with good honest developers of which there are many. yes there are many scamcoins too, do your homework.

this world is fucked up enough by the dollar, imagine if it was the ONLY currency?
the exact reason we must never have a monopoly in crypto with just bitcoin as the player, which really for all intents and purposes is the case now. currently

on the next upswing we will see more and more of established trusted alts growing and growing. I am convinced of this. no-one wants just one currency or just one crypto. It's unnatural and for that reason won't happen.
A tiny percentage of the planets population is involved in crytpo right now, tiny. Human nature craves diversity and choice, and convenience. And frankly speaking bitcoin is a bloody dinosaur compared to many alts, many are pure clones too

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Bitcoin is still the most widely accepted crypto by merchants. Boycotting it would be bad for business for some of us. Although if more cryptos start to be accepted, I may consider other options.

https://i.imgur.com/iJsmXFa.jpg
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Wow, that's very, very cool! I completely see what you mean there man, and it's 100% true.

childish thread. no point in doing that folks.

Quark PUMP!

so, we knew all the stuff posted in OP already.
what is the reason for the dump TODAY?

sellpressure mounting up ... inflation presses down, always ... so it's not going up, so people sell and more people sell. Didn't rise for a year. Just more selling and sellpressure is not going to stop.

Now we see a little rebound as i write this and i am sure once the buyers are exhausted (very soon as fools are rare and broke already) we go to new lows. Bitcoin as is today is not worth more than 150$ imho

all shitcoins go to zero - bitcoin no exception

I applause as well....

Is this real?

Bitcoin failed when Satoshi walked away to do "other things". His dream was a progressive one that biased no one and rewarded work, but like any small dream gone corporate I feel others did not have the same mindset as Satoshi, so what do you do when your dream is being threatened by money idolizing, greedy wallstreet wannabees, you leave them to sleep in the bed they make for themselves.

The simplist of thyings that need to be done nthat literally should take these developers a day or two to complete they are not doing. the needs of bitcoin and its real uses are being ignored even by the highest ups, and last but not least the real dream Satoshi had is being pushed aside for what they feel is "more important"

And in doing so, well dont let me say a word just look at the charts and see for yourself. The charts don't lie, False hope posters, with dreams to steal your money do. :)

Yes, it's real. I'm fed up with bitcoin after 2014 and this month! I know a crypto doesn't have to perform this poor. Bitcoin is a true shitcoin with that inflation.

Bitcoin markets are raped by this constant bleeding and the fools still try to pump it! Pumping bitcoin is futile! So now all of crypto needs to die because Bitcoins' miningreward schedule was designed by a bunch of amateurs? Hell, no. Just burn it! Burn it with fire!

Gavin is getting the heat for his greed-driven hardfork to make Bitcoin into Gavincoin. He openly admits to being fearful of altcoins gaining marketshare!



source:
http://gavintech.blogspot.de/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html

The Bitcoin-conspiracy against altcoins is real and confirmed.

Yes.  

1. high inflation thus is unable to maintain its value (not opinion just numbers)
2. stolen BTC and huge whales (what is the BTC foundation in 2 concepts)
3. AML gatekeepers

BTC is the icebreaker, it is the pioneer coin, it will have a footnote in history.
Thank you for your service crowd btc.  You have a few years yet to run as fiat/crypto leading pair.

But in terms of mechanics ... the goose is plucked already.  

BTC is 1 year into the fall.  In five years it will be a punchline to many a joke.

LOL! It's official, dude!

Lol guys and gals just dropped by to say get a life ffs fed up with bitcoin because i got squeezed out and sold at a loss lmao! You never lose untill you sell congratulations losers

This is good work well done, how long did it take you?

This better not be one of those Litecoin fanboys.

That shit is dying, no development, no adoption, no VC investment.  Even the creator of Litecoin is jumping ship!

https://i.imgur.com/xCEM1Lb.png


Or one of those scamcoins Paycoin, or Ripple, or NXT, or Pizzeria UNO....those or all shit.  NO support!   :D

the cancer is the exchangers(their shareholders) who have smelled the fresh meat, Bitcoin. :)

I am not sure why the miners are not going to altcoin. they preferred to closed their business instead. Anyaway, I am still wondering who is still mining now...the costs cannot be covered.
Bitcoin is a shit. I agree with that :)

People should do so if they want to boycott it. That's the way things work. Do a hard fork, continue to mine the old chain and run a full node only accepting the old chain. That's what a hard-fork does. That's the beauty of Bitcoin! :) Even Especially if people don't agree!

Maybe once I see that Bill gates new proposal of the digital currency is better, then maybe then I will support this campaign.

Altcoins are the ones giving cryptocurrency the bad name and is destroying the crypto and definitely not the other way round. And don't believe whatever you read on the internet. If I believe bitcoin will one day worth 100 times more than what it is worth today, it's because my analysis and data that helps me to believe it will. Not just some empty talk.

The beauty of Bitcoin is that it just doesn't care what people believe. If you want to support it, go ahead, and if you want to ignore it, just walk away and be happy :) As long as there are people supporting Bitcoin, it will continue to work. Democracy in action.

You know what?... if bitcoin is bothering you in anyway just get the fuck out... seriously this fud bs is older than Edison... er wait Edison was a pioneer that once said "“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”
Stop whining... just leave... the rest of us will reap the rewards.

Bitcoin was planned with decades in sight, not only some years.

Inflation might be big right now, but it will lower in a few years.

This thread defines many of the harsh battles between forum members, but "we" are not popular enough yet. If you want to kill all hope of crypto projects going mainstream, then keep promoting the battles that weaken the community.

You should boycott Bitcoin. It's flawed because of doughnuts. Not the regular round ones with sprinkles because I like those. The long ones shaped like logs are fucking everything up. Those maple flavored ones too. Maple is a pancake flavor. You don't put it in doughnuts.  

Yeah...n Thats what we love about it..n the support would never go.! It is too strong and cant be slowed down now.!

The thing is people look at it as a way for fast return of investment. Bitcoin is definitely a long term plan and people just have to learn and accept the fact. The call to boycott are those who fit into this group.

what are you talking about sounds simple, but enough to make me excited back.
 I think you used to be a motivator,
or indeed you are a motivator :)

Its not ideal but it has the network and all the other currencies offer nothing unique.  If you want to boycott i say go ahead but looking at all the other negative things in the world bitcoin is very low priority on the list to critique imo.

I support OPs thinking and ideas, but I dont support a campaign to boycott bitcoin.

And I would like to add:

- Full nodes deserve rewards. It's utterly unfair and illogical, that only miners get paid.
Disclaimer: I dont know of a good way to pay full nodes. As there are so many, to be paying them every block.

- It's very sad that the (technology oriented) group of early adopting bitcoiners have splitted into the following three subgroups:

1.) One World Order-Bitcoiners (strict anti alternative coins)
2.) Open Minded Bitcoiners
3.) Crypto Currency-supporters

We are in a bad situation now.
WE NEED TO UNITE AGAIN UNDER THE LABEL OF CRYPTO CURRENCY!

Here we go with the Ponzi accusations again. How could you potentially change inequality? No coin can change inequality. Be there first = get a bigger piece of the cake. This will always happen. What matters is if the code and protocol work and Bitcoin works.

I don't think it matters whether you agree or disagree with the elimination of Bitcoin!

How would YOU go about eliminating it?

denied.

i, sure there is another way to fix open source program which the OP might think flawed, OP might as well create new alt-coin... wait... maybe he already did eh  ;D

Another socialist who is envious of how many bitcons other holds. Don't like free market then go elsewhere.

No thanks.

I would however, be interested in a thread
that talks about boycotting the US Dollar.

You can't have steady increase. It is impossible. A steady increase would suggest a continued steady increase, and that would attract speculators like flies to cowshit. Impossible.

This is a good reason to boycott, much better than the OP's

That's what I'm thinkin.

bump from someone who doesn't like Gavincoin

And incidentally, boycotters tend to be the boat missers.

boatmissers? Like all those people who sold for 800$? You sound like a freakin' bagholder.

Your fault by buying during an obvious bubble.
These bagholders will be rich in 10 years anyway.

I like bitcoin but this is spot on, every time an alt seems to get some attention the bitcoin community rallies against it, even if it seems promising.

I agree with most of the grievances of the OP, however,

- I don't think boycotting is in any shape or form a solution to this. Better put all energy in something positive, like promoting something else that is better.
- On a personal note, I'd love to see BTC do better, because I am heavily invested in it.... But that's personal and in no way a valid argument in this discussion. On the contrary, the problem is all the BTC bagholders and their attitudes.

I had an argument with a guy in the Speculation section recently that was very telling. When asked why BTC would be better then any altcoins, his reply was the size of the investment already in it, and the market cap. No interest in the technology or it's applications in society whatsoever.

I think tho, that this problem will solve itself in time. BTC will have a less prominent place because it's starting to lag behind. In the worst case (for the bagholders, including me), BTC will be reduced to dust.

In the future, there will be more variety. See this talk by Andreas Antonopoulos entitled 'The future of Bitcoin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw28y81s7Wo&feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw28y81s7Wo&feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428)

It wasn't the developer of Bitcoin, who did a mistake. We are the cancer. There are more black souls than white souls.
P2P = Democracy, and (real) democracy does not work - it ends in chaos. Take a look at Greece today, take a look to Greece <1000 years in the past.
It's a 51% attack if you let the people decide what's good or what's wrong.

Project 'mankind' has failed, not Bitcoin.

P2P is rule-based networking concept and not democracy.
It is very often democratic, but it doesnt have to be.

i think thats all because people not looking information about thats coin before buy it thats why a lot people got trap on scamcoin or dead coin

It's funny that you say "Project 'mankind' has failed, not Bitcoin." while having a signature that links to zeit-coin lol.

i just dont understand why people say i will leave bitcoins or i will not leave bitcoins what do they mean by leaving bitcoins ? its a currancy get paid in bitcoins and spend them like every other currency

This hands down is the best post in this thread.


I honestly do not have the energy right now to go into a large diatribe about how the vast majority of posters here are wrong (on both sides), but I will say that it is very counter productive to 1. boycott anything and 2. the bitcoin evangelists preaching thou shall not take bitcoin in vain (the 2 sides represented here with a sprinkle of "why can't we all get along" posters).

Traders gonna trade, scammers gonna scam, crypto enthusiasts will still be around through hell and high water to promote one of the most important technologies today to others. This is what is important right now, to promote the technology and not the products. Who cares if someone is a Bitcoin guy, a Litecoin guy, a Dogecoin guy, so on and so forth? What matters is that there are choices, and humans like choice. We need to utilize this as a strength not a weakness.


I've made it a personal mission of mine to try to get more community interaction happening. Working with Blackcoin, Darkcoin, Neoscoin, Dogecoin, Vericoin, etc. We need more people to reach across all communities and show support, moral or otherwise, in order to strengthen our ties. I challenge anyone here to do the same, or end up as a community divided with a lost sense of direction towards the future.

Bitcoin is being boycotted as we speak, the price is being pushed down, someone is slow-buying cheap coins.

I hardly can read all those bullshit concentrated in so few lines. And what makes me laugh is that these are supported only by newcomers/newbies.

Bitcoin inflation is limited and planned, so you can take your decisions based on this.
Bitcoin potential is huge and sooner or later everyone will realize it. Bagholders are not bagholders, they are just people who already realized that.
The large mining industry behind bitcoin makes it the most safe cryptocurrency existing. Every other cryptocurrency can be attacked very easily by just one large miner.
Probably you don't even understand what's behind the "hard-fork", and moreover, if people don't want it, they just need to mine elsewhere and it will never reach consensus. If you like it different, it's easy for you to wirte your own cryptocurrency, if it's really better, everybody will switch to it.
Last but not least, any market when it becomes interesting, gets invaded by big whales, no matter what, they can shake the entire ecosystem unless it's already huge.

So ... I just think you are complaining because you missed the bandwagon.

U just mad you came to the party late and missed your chance to be rich.

You forgot the most important reason to boycott.  99.9% of the planet is already "boycotting" bitcoin because it's dorky. 

straight. up. dorky.

Summary of OP.
IF you're a complete whiner/loser then this thread is for you.

I see no connection between my opinion and my signature. Can you explain it more clearly? Thanks in advice.

Any Boycotters can send your Bitcoins to my Wallet  ;)

Lol. It may be dorky but that's what they said about the internet... and practically every other new technology. Remember, the geeks shall inherit the earth and it's the early adopters who benefit from seeing the potential and getting involved when they did.

i think i will leave this here:

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/

who is boycotting bitcoin im earning quite a small amount of money from this...dont boycott this site.   :-[    :-[     :-[

there is more profit in altcoins now. People will soon abandon the titanic.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JrmmRnf27eg/Tm_sxozk8eI/AAAAAAAAE-k/vW0c0EYHlBo/s800/titanic-gif.gif

"Boycott Bitcoin" sounds like a bankster troll thread. I've seen many of those in the past four years.
There is only one secure network, the Bitcoin network, and many experiments.
If people think they can do better than the Bitcoin protocol, then they can build a sidechain..
Altcoins that are heavily promoted are making false promises of security and/or decentralization and/or anonymity.

What profits? all altcoins always meet a certain dead, except potential projects and thats like not more than I could count with the fingers on a single hand.

This guy is a fool. So bitcoin is a scam, altcoins aren't. You sound like another PayCoin user who got hurt when his alt dropped to shit. The solution? You want us to stop using bitcoin and hype up some altcoin so it follows the same bubble path as bitcoin.

Wait, so you want to abandon Bitcoin, the original crypto currency so that other crypto currencies can flourish? Which will surely lead to some other crypto currency being the front runner for volume, publicity, and value per fiat. At that point would we have to abandon that popular currency?

What you're proposing doesn't make sense.

Abandoning Bitcoin will allow the press and general public (whom the Bitcoin community desperately needs for future success) to declare that Bitcoin is a failure. The skeptics were right, Bitcoin never had a future, "silly tech people with their make believe money!"

Instead of having a campaign to ruin what you want to be successful, why don't you start a campaign to publicize the use of Bitcoin to Main Street? Why don't you publicize the variety of crypto currencies available? Why don't you publicize the reason why a variety of cyrpto currencies is a good thing?

As a last point...consider why in the US the 13 different currencies that existed in the beginning (one for each colony) were consolidated into one single currency...because there simply isn't a need for more than one.  

So you're just pissed you didn't know about Bitcoin sooner? You sound like a sore loser!

Don't spend so much time complaining about what didn't happen. Spend your time trying to make the crypto currency you've put all your money in into something relevant.

Too late. Most of the writing jobs I've done lately, I've gotten paid in Bitcoin for. In fact, I'm expecting another payment tomorrow.

The usual bitcoin-frogs singing in here  ::)

Exactly like pointed out. For them it's only Bitcoin and nothing else. Well, these people are a failure and can't see left or right.

Legendary and Foundation members are not to be trusted for financial advise.

Even if you have a beef with bitcoin because of the price or whatever your thing is, it's still great as a payment protocol to and from across the world and that is a big benefit to me in my life no matter the price. The price will come around to your liking in due time but the positives of the protocol are constant if you have a need for it. I sure hope the remittance market industry people are getting their business model out because that is a great area to drive demand on a continual basis no matter what happens. The remit market will be big time for bitcoin.

Actually you are incorrect, Litecoin and also Dogecoin are very secure networks. Not sure if you purposely left those out or merely forgot about them.


Speaking about experiments, interesting you say that since technically Bitcoin is still in beta  ::).






I find it a bit ironic that everyone ignored my post on working together. If people really cared they would do just that.

and I look forward to the ledger reset once we is out of beta  ;)

and too the OP

how exactly does one boycott bitcoin? its not like even 0.1% of holders are actually using it.

Fuel to the fire of pretending bitcoin is a continuation of the current system, with the small difference of having geeks in the center in stead of the aristocracy or the remains of it.

But the system is profoundly different. You can't have oligarchs. slaves, house slaves and sovereigns in the bitcoin syetem, only sovereigns.

Do I stand corrected ?
the Bitcoin network secures 50 times more value than the Lite coin network: how would we know if Litecoin is as well tested as Bitcoin from a security stand point ?

The hashrate of the Bitcoin network is 300 000 times superior to the hashrate of the Litecoin network.
An attacker needs to rent this computing power for 20 minutes to reverse two blocks while it takes only 5 minutes on the Litecoin network.
In short the protection offered by the Bitcoin network against malicious reversal of a transaction is vastly superior by several orders of magnitude.
The numbers are even worse for dogecoin.

Simply bear in mind that email has not taken off with every corporation crafting its own version of SMTP.

Maybe you should start your boycott at some bitcoinhater forum instead of this one. More chances to find collaborators, I guess.
Then, when you are 1000 or more, you come back and sweep this f.... Bitcoin + this forum away from earth. Good luck.

you make alot of assumptions there, so you think higher hashrate = greater security?

well it can in some context, like a single idiot trying with their own or rented equip (and all 3 mentioned network hash is strong enough for that to be pointless) but if someone wanted to go to the effort of an proper attack and plan a decent course of action hashrate after a point would make little difference.

Bitcoin is inferior coin. No real developement. Very slow.

Only thing it has is that crazy cult in denial of reality around it. 

Bitcoin is inferior coin?  To what other crypto?  What kind of hashish are you smoking?

Bitcoin is the only coin with real development.  It's the only coin with real VC investment and support.

No other coin has the backing, development, investment, and interest of Bitcoin.

Not Litecoin, not Paycoin, not NXT, not Ripple, not Darkcoin, not Stellar, not Counterparty, not [insert any alt coin here]...

it will be really big mistake if we not hellping out people to trust
and do it about it :D

http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/retards-retards-everywhere.jpg

Long live the forums. If you don't like it, leave. Join the rotting community of alternative solutions.

it will help community to makes price of bitcoin will more rise and show a epic moment later
i think so

LaudaM is one of the worst trashposters on the forum, no shit. Never seen any comment from her that had any value. Not a single substantial or valuable comment, not a single one ever. Only brainless bitcoin follow-the-herd-to-the-moon-shit.
Seriously redundant participant.

Very interesting to hear this from an altcoin shill. It really gets to me, definitely after I've been recently unignored by some of most valuable members in this community.  :-\


Is this related to the 'original idea' that Satoshi had or are you referring to someone else?
Please quote these bagholders, or are you referring to Gavin?
You can't achieve consensus when you let people who are actively against Bitcoin have a say in this. This can't completely be compared to an election, where party x and party y will try to improve something (hopefully).

is someone talking?

Dude, i'm not interested in 'Bitcoin' anymore. You can fork it all up. If i could care less, i would.  

Look at the charts how piss poor it's doing. I don't have time for this clusterfuck.

I would like to tell me more about BTC decentralization and how you comment that 5-6 people like Roger Ver, Micky Malka, Erik Voorhees own 90% from BTC :)

http://www.infowars.com/bitcoin-elites-plan-secret-bilderberg-style-confab/

bitcoin the only coin with real venture capital and support? wtf? what have VCs taken over the btc foundation? you do know ripple is like entirely VC?

of course VC took over Btc foundation and many big exchanges. BTC belongs to them.


http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/

Ironically i buy BTC to buy alts! lol
Not that i consider NXT an alt as such thats pretty much where all money is at present...

i think this thread was moved by mods here. It was originally in altcoins. So your argument is invalid as always.

This has been discussed thousands of times.

Bitcoin only needs processing power, if someone can have a equipment with less power consumption the bitcoins processed will have less electricity used.

Also, You can use solar or wind power.

Incorrect. Where the thread was originally is irrelevant, where it is now, is what matters.

You do realize that, IF that was the case, you couldn't do anything about it. No altcoin will save you from that. If any coin grows big enough to attract such people, they can just redirect some of their money into that coin. The same thing would happen again, right?

right now power consumption is about 1.5 full scale nuclear powerplants

You mean, 300 000 times more computing power has no impact on the cost of the attack ???
50 times more value in circulation has no impact on the potential gain of the attack ??

Yes, you heard it right.

Ripple has a total of only (sounds ridiculous) of about $100 million invested in it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2015/01/26/digital-payments-company-ripple-labs-finalizing-30-million-funding-round/

Coinbase, one meager Bitcoin company out of hundreds(thousands?), had $75 million in one funding round.

Bitcoin as a whole, has hundreds of millions of investment money in a myriad of companies and startups.  Probably closing towards a billion at this point.

So like I said, Ripple is shit.

It always has been and always will be.

I tend to disagree, while there are plenty of solid devs, its still a dinosaur, if BTC had been built with more foresight, things may have been better.

There is already the problem of the blockchain getting seriously bloated with BTC, and now talk about increasing block size to 20MB, not to mention the ridiculous amount of computing power being consumed to perform such a simple task. The amount of electricity these ASIC farms use is a joke.

Out of any "alts" the only real one that stands out for me is NXT and perhaps also NEM also if you consider these alts, we will wait and see.

Im not saying to Boycott bitcoin, im not even suggesting that BTC will drop down in marketcap, but what i am saying is there is plenty of room for other cryptos and there are other ones that serve a useful purpose that can do things better than BTC.
Bitcoin will always be around, but dont be surprised if you see "NXT accepted here on shop windows in the not too distant future"

So what's the word on the boycott, have you all started it yet?

NBC claimed that Ransomware virus scammers are asking for payments in Bitcoin (which is actually an error), which should help your cause!

They are, ive witnessed it myself.
I work in IT and have seen it first hand, the addresses used have been well published also.

This is FUD. How can you say that? I doubt it. You give no proof or argument.

What is unsecure about the LiteCoin network?
What is unsecure about the Monero network?

That is plain wrong! Multiple DogeCoin projects have huge (>500.000$) VC investments.

====> every altcoin can get them
====> GTFO with this lame fake argument

You should know the shit these bitcoin bagholders cough up in every corner of the forum.

Bitcoin is a shitcoin, but bagholders of it need to be in denial of the fact of course  (afterall they are still looking for the greater fool to sell to before these coins become worthless)

I agree!
I have never spent much time in here, but im quite surprised to read all the crap im finding here!

I am not going to boycott bitcoins as it has been a reliable source till date and I have had no issues with the value in holds in market except that it's price keeps fluctuating. Altcoins are as well reliable but I don't know much of their usage. Need to read more about the latter.

Count me in! Someone has to stop this ponzi madness!

http://i59.tinypic.com/15i0ze8.jpg

So if someone makes a 'scam' operation with gold; gold is also a ponzi?
Sure thing.

That has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Those investors probably deserved it. There are no insane returns like that in the real world.

That's not really a fair comparison. Gold is a commodity and does not have the ability to facilitate crime. Bitcoin does.

Gold doesn't have the ability to facilitate crime!? Only the biggest crime of all, modern slavery through gold.....

Any commodity can be used to pay for crime but Bitcoin is custom tailored to facilitate an international criminal enterprise like Silk Road. That's one of the pluses of Bitcoin. Try buying guns or drugs that are 5000 miles away with gold.

Interesting points have been made on both sides in this thread. A good read.