Can't really say they're against something, when they mention it 1,000 times a day,

When MEDIA is against something they are SILENT on the subject, when they talk shit, U know they're on a mission,

BTC is being slowly brought to public forefront, and first stage is to bring in the 'get rich quick' idiots, then later grandma/grandpa slowly climb in, ...

Me thinks that largely BTC is designed to enslave what's left of earth, with the post 2008 zero interest rate, savings is DEAD, and now ppl move their last cash to BTC where it will evaporate, majority will end up poor and begging, that seems to be the goal of the elite here is to just have a few rich, ppl, and everybody else poor,

Israel MSM owns media, if they were against something, you would hear NOTHING about it.

Zerohedge has been publishing 10 btc story's a day for 5+ years, ZH is owned by Israel, that tells you enough that BTC is a major part of the agenda, to legitimize and fleece the last goy with a nickel

PPL dont' care, besides majority of traffic on this forum is bots owned by GOV, trying to bring in fresh meat, the last 20 day collapse of BTC price, has washed out most of the losers, ... they have moved on, critical to find more suckers at this point, to take BTC to the next high

INVESTORS are people who bought low and sell high,

Majority on this board are poor day-traders, fools who buy high and sell low

Who R the most 'successful' ? The ppl who clone the btc source, and market their own coin, the ppl who buy shit are the losers.

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Yes, Jihan doing well, and McAffee, and winkelvoss twin scammers, and almost all the well known human vampires like Peter Theil,

BTC attracks vampires, like shit attracts flys

Let's hope this all ends bad, and wipes out the vampires

BTC is not unlike the railroad industry, fortunes were made, but 95% was lost, the real winners are those who cash out early and diversify, majority of those who HODL end up holding the bag, ending the lucky TYCOON who owned all the steal, or railroad land rights was a crap-shoot

BTC will most likely die, when its common knowledge of 'how to crack btc', for now its still closely held knowledge, and fools still think they are safe,

Eth is #1? In criminal backing.

INVESTMENT is long term, the assholes day trading bTC don't give a shit about BTC, they're just trying to scam other suckers and bail,

It's not investing, its speculating, its betting, its playing the horses,

2017 BTC went parabolic, all things that go parabolic come back down, there is NOTHING new under the sun in human history.

BTC has too many failings to win long term, its a case study and nothing more, just a matter of time before BTC is broken, and blows to bits in the wind, long term serious thinking should focus on BTC 2.0, or 3.0

DUMB MONEY can't cash out, pretty much all they can do is flip-flop in & out of BTC and play alt's and slowly the fee's eat away any 'wealth' that moron may have had,

A real winner, who cashes out at a 'bank' will quickly get a knock on the door by the 'tax-man', and see that he owes 150% over his winnings, this is the nature of the tax collector.

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Smart ppl accumulate BTC by mining post 2009, and HODL, and wait for US DOLLAR to collapse, then move to friend BTC government where that wealth can be spent, for now crypt is a waiting/hodling game.

Using FIAT to buy crypto's is stupid, because as soon as you BUY cryptos, the GOV knows U R a HODLER, best for GOV to never see u on its gaydar

If U trade a lot, your an idiot, and very soon you will have NO BTC to worry about, trading is always game that the house win's, and the sucker always loses.

Whatever money in BTC you keep with a 3rd party as escrow U LOSE, remember, if U don't own the private-key, then it ain't your money. Exchanges close everyday and take all money down.

These BTC rich ppl are a joke, so rich, but can't get it out, that's the way it was designed had it been easy to get it out, it would have already dropped back to zero, probably the main thing that keeps BTC high, is that there are no exits.

ZERO

the achilles heal of BTC is the wallet/exchange, this where the private-key goes into another hand, as soon as you transfer BTC, your just assuming the ECDSA algo is correctly computed, almost all exchanges on earth are under control of criminals, say they even transfer your money back, but they use weak R,S signatures pairs, and a 3rd party steals your money before you get it back, this is common, and wallets & exchanges do this all the time,

There is ONLY one safe place for BTC, that its to have a high-entropy determinstic private-key that you known, and have all your funds under those priv-keys in your control, as soon as you use 3rd party wallet software, or an exchange, then you have pulled your pants down in public, an exposed your privates to all.

If you can't roll your own priv-key generation, then use the bitcoin-cli tools and create your own, that you can trust, the weakest link in BTC is the wallet software, and the exchanges too, are just using weak 3rd party software written by criminals, it wouldn't be FREE if there wasn't a plan, to take it all back.

Just don't make it easy

If you can't make your own keys, or write your own software then learn, otherwise your just a loser, waiting to lose it all.

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How much should U keep in a GOV CONTROLLED EXChANGE that tells all GOV on earth that YOU as a person are a BITCOIN HODLER? I think U should know that answer to that question, as soon as you have 0.0001 BTC linked to an exchange, your private bank account, you have just issued a probable cause for GOV to take 100% of every REAL-CASH in your bank 'accounts'

The US DOLLAR is everywhere on earth, traded like paper-gold by the black-markets of earth, hell even North Korean prints US DOllars, they're the best counterfeiters on earth.

Rockefeller wanted a cash-less tracked society back in the 1950's to control ppl, control their banking, and spending, and medical.

Good ppl who work, and then control where they spend, then you control their movement, easy to round up all the human cattle on earth and manage them, not by the whip, but by their own desire to eat, shit, shave, and sleep.

People here talk shit about GOV wanting to destroy BTC, but the fact is GOV just wants to CONTROL BTC, and control how you enter and exit, and where its spent.

Of course in NON ZOG country's they have every interest in NOT supporting NSA-AIPAC coin, but that is another matter, but in ZOG territory, its in every interest of ZOG to manage and let BTC grow and replace paper currency, and eventually the ZOG banks will bring crypt into their fold, and replace the US-DOLLAR with a new crypto.

For now the problem is for the POLICE to learn to track & control how crypto is spent.

But make NO mistake that 'cashless society' has been the plan, since new world order post ww2 when USA confiscated Hitlers plans for new world order, and the NSA-CIA took them as their own.

NAkamoto Satoshi - NSA, since day one

SHA256 - An NSA hash algo used by BTC to hash ( collapse ) all raw data in BTC

"BTC white paper" - an exact copy of a 1996 NSA paper called "How to Make a Mint", printed by NSA in Lawyer journals about how to create a crypto currency, the funny thing is this 1996 paper is +90 % the exact same content as NAkamoto Satoshi paper in 2009.

The biggest assholes on earth is NSA-CIA, the spy and its pitbull, all ran by AIPAC courtesy of ISRAEL's short leash on USA, all western banking and most eastern banking in the world is controlled by BIS in switzerland, which is Tel-Aviv/London, Swiss were first to adopt BTC, and you can use it to buy tickets for GOV trains.

Much denial-denial, about what is BTC.

Then you have the Z-coins, all Israel controlled, then you have Ethereum, which is european banks,

So that leaves what maybe BITCOIN-Z as the only true crypto? That is not under GOV control?

Much of what goes on as "BTC" is just daily urban myths, the same stuff repeated, as if it were true.

What is TRUE is that if you USE BTC, they know it, its just one big experiment to LEARN how to control and manage CRYPTO so it can't be laundered, or spent un-seen.

Sure U have 'pristine' coin ( never used ), then nobody knows U have, but as soon as you ever make a transaction, then you are known, and then its only a matter of a short time, most likely next 2-4 years that those pristine coins get hacked, as the ALGO's to crack ECDSA are quickly enclosing the weaknesses of NSA designed Bitcoin.

So they will close out all pristine coin, and everybody else will be tracked in the world of 'used' BTC, and every place that you exit, will be GOV owned exchange that will tax, and control HOW you spend. GREAT.

What about GOLD, well its great, but these days there are metal detectors where every U go in the world, and its just too easy for a cop to take your gold, and its GONE.

Crypto is a great idea, but what's needed is a PURE CRYPTO that is un-hackable by NSA, and that 100% anonymous, and the coin hasn't even been created yet, even monero is/was a carefully designed coin, with weak ecdsa integers,

As is NORMAL the establishment NEVER lets ALTS go main-stream unless they are KOSHER.

I ran a home-rolled block chain parser last month on ETH, sort of curious about use of addresses,

But what BLEW me away, I had heard much about the 2Million pre-mine, note they are currently at 4.8M,

But what I had a hard time wrapping my head around is that ALL COIN to 3 Million was mined by a single ADDRESS, then its get stranger to almost 4Million, its on average TWO of the same address.

Things don't get interesting on ETH until 4Million there you start seeing 5+ addresses on each block transaction, today of course its much wider, but nothing like what you see on BTC with 3,000+ transactions per block.

So we can say that 70% of all ETH is mined and controlled by TWO PEOPLE, most likely that be BUTERIN & GAVIN, they are notable early BTC developers, but switched over to having their OWN COIN in 2013, and took ETH main-line in 2015

They OWN ETH, but whats most strange is they PUSH this thing called "Proof of Stake" which says "He Who has the most Coin COntrols the Coin", well shit, since BUTERIN&GAVIN have the most coin, they probably fear that post 4Million when its fair, that by say 8Million coin, there is a possibility that +50% of this RUSSIAN MAFIA coin code in theory be pre-empted by little people.

Make no mistake ETH is NOT BTC, ETH is big banker and GOV working with a couple greedy developers to create just another money monopoly.

Everything about ETH is what SATOSHI despised.

PPL who support ETH are NOT crypto anarchists, they 're FIAT PARASITES.

The entire reason for BTC is to escape the FIAT racket "FIAT MEANS NOTHING was pulled from some bankers ass"

FIAT means, that there is nothing to back the currency, not gold, pre 1972 the USD said "In GOLD WE TRUST", post 1972 they changed it to "In GOD we trust", well guess what the GOD of US-DOLLAR post 1972 is Satan, and he ain't going to cover this 'FIAT'

So along comes BTC real money,

Probably a more rational approach would be to BUY GOLD for your BTC, and again you can easily lineup a trusted escrow where buyer and seller can be public/private, and no bank(GOVERNMENT) involved,

The FIAT system is going down, and the only place to keep money in the coming civil war will be gold, beans, bullets, ... real estate is not safe, U can already buy cars for BTC, and go shopping.

If a person wanted to diversify its easy to sell bTC on a non-banking aligned exchange, and grab some alt-cryptos that have high potential value. Most likely future BTC in coming years will no longer see parabolic gain, unless there is a war in say Korea very soon, unlikely that is,

For now its a waiting game, IMHO BTC is better than GOLD if U live in USA, when the civil war starts U will not be able to carry your gold out, so if you got private-keys in your 'head', then you can travel anywhere on earth

That's called 'structuring' and they will grab your entire account.

There is NO safe way to exit, this is why the PRISTINE BTC's ( think satoshi ) have NEVER been spent, cuz there is no exit.

First thought would be to have sacrificial account in a bank you dont' use for your paycheck, or your savings. Cuz when GOV decides to lock U and seize they will grab all money that is 'mixed'

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really only safe thing is to accumulate BTC by mining and hope the USA US-Dollar collapses, and then once the USA gov is gone and the BIS/Israel are out of business, then folks will be safe, but for now its clear that BTC is just a PRETEXT to rob you and tax u to death by GOV.

All along its been the same, U acquire BTC by mining and you hold them to keep your wealth intact, they day trading bullshit of BTC is rather new, and of course ALL exchanges are GOV operations, and under their thumb, there is no free jurisction on earth, other than perhaps the BTC exchange in Nigeria, which of course means U lose.

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To answer your question, its back to the original BTC means to get cash, you find a cash buyer on the network, U meet in a public place and u sell btc to them as a cash transaction, then your done.

U use a bank your screwed for life, you use an exchange your screwed,

BTC was always 'anarchist' money off the grid, but as soon as you mix your BTC and GRID then your no longer an anarchist, your a sheep that has called the PIGS and has asked to be slaughtered.

Sure U can be an idiot day trader and play right into the IRS hands, and you just KNOW that the IRS loves this shit, as they have ran COINBASE since dayone, and all the USA exchanges. U mix BTC with a US bank ( and note +90% of bank on earth have their balls in USA grip ), its not a pretty site.

Just HODL, but u must sell, then sell for cash, in a public place.

Satoshi started off BTC fair & square, gave plenty of people time to get the sw running, get a node up and mine,

Meaning that there are lots of legacy ppl and distribution of BTC is fair & square.

On the other hand, right now Ethereum is at about 4,500,000 million blocks, almost 5 million, what is interesting is that that the first 3M were pre-mined, nobody talks about this, but its a COMPLETE BULLSHIT RIP-OFF,

Think about this +66% of all ETH are in private hands of the FOUNDER, the same jackass that wants "PROOF of Stake" which means, He who has most makes the rules, well guess who has most? Who will always have most, and nothing else will ever matter?

Lastly, remember this is probably why GOVERNMENTS are in love with ETH ( think Russia ), they look at this and know this is a SCAM that sticks.

[ ok, its really closer to 4.8M right now, but the public really didn't get involved with mining ETH until it was well over 3.5Million, I know because I have written block parsers  have studied this bitch, and I was amazed that almost all eth block are in the hands of the DEV-TEAM )

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This board is about BITCOIN, and I support BTC, but when these SCAM PPL come to this forum and talk about how ETH is going to kick BTC's ass, just remind them that ETH is a scam.

This is why BUTERIN who cut his teeth on BTC, bailed and went over to Team-ETH, because he knew that he could never "OWN IT ALL", but ETH allows two people to essentially control their narrow crypto universe.

These PPL SUCK

Well if U got it for $1, then yes it was a really good year,

These drops are really good things, we must get these day traders out of BTC, and these 50+ multi-day drops, just kills their BTFD strategy's, so you know that a lot of these flippers are being wiped out.

For those that USE bTC for its intended purpose, it doesn't really matter what be the price $100 or $100,000, the ability to move wealth anywhere on earth without 'banking approval' is what this is all about.

It's actually quite funny how everytime we get these 50% corrections the sky is always falling

Lot's of good crypto alt shit-coins down+50% in 24 hours, ...
There is definitely panic taking place, this is a major problem of bring in  so many newbs to play crypto, they all herd to the exits nobody has staying power.

PPL will remember much longer that they can lose 50% of their investment than they will think about those who made 100,000% ROI on BUYING BTC earl.

Really sad to see zencash and all down 50%, but then almost all these coins have been pumped for months are are up %1000 , so -50% is hardly a loss

U R right, but its USA centric thought, most players have already exited the US dollar, which is worth LESS than BTC,

Crypto filled a void for hot-money to flow out of USA while the US-dollar still had value, now neither USD nor BTC will have value in the coming days, the ticked is to KNOW what has value, ... all ELSE is bullshit.

Recall that 99% of these crypto's are just copied software that morons cut&pasted, and even bigger idiots bought.

ppl are cashing out of ALL in the past 24 hours, most alts are down +30% which makes the btc drop 25% look small, but note that is only one day, we're in the xmas season, so there is only one direction forward

Sell Mortimer, Sell

If you don't sell, and U did pay for this 'shit' then you are truly screwed, if you got the btc for free like most of us old time coders, then who gives a fuck? I don't care if it goes back to one satoshi 1/100000000000000000000 cent

The only ppl who get hurt here are the morons who paid 'real money' for vapor

It will go below $1k, it may very well go back to $100, or ever $1, think about this, what is it worth?

Absolutely nothing, other than the 100,000 scammers who pump&dump the bitch on this forum,once they move on to the next big-shit, BTC will be forgotten, and go back to natural organic growth.

Much of the gain this year and last and go away in just a few days

The problem is that there are 2,000 shit-coins that are all 100% bTC clones, and some are better, that is a big problem for the CORE, who are fat,dumb, and dumber

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-21/prominent-names-within-crypto-space-cash-out-their-positions

It's game-over, now only the newbs are left HODLING the bag of bitcoin shit,...

Enjoy the ride down newbs,

Honestly, it will go back up to may $1k, so please for god's sake sell out, and buy back when its CHEAP, remember that are 300 Billion USD of hot-money that want to take their profits on this thinly traded 'bitch'.

It's going down for a hard hit, and for those who wait for the come back, it may never happen.

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So now U have it the BIGGEST HODL WHORES on the block are saying they never knew the JEEBUS BITCOIN GODS, that it was ALWAYS a scam, ...

Hmmm, folks are already protecting themselves from the coming lawsuits,..

Hell yes, it will go down, when its at $1k ppl will look back and not even remember about $10k

Remember that all the whales 'want out', that all u need to know,

ALL this HODL shit is 2014, and now its 2018, some 5 years later, and ppl want to cash out,

Besides, let's have an honest talk here "BITCOIN IS GRANDPA TRYING TO FIND HIS VIAGRA", ... It's a sad joke of crypto.