Is there an ignore button or some such like on here? You know, so posts from people on your block list just wouldn't show up?

Oh and there is another 3-4 weeks between batches you forgot AFox. Because it's the kind of thing KfC put in their emails to customers, but not on the sales page. You know, so guys like you won't remember what KNC promised and will quote the wrong information:


So with a 3-4 week gap between the 0/1/2 batches and another 1 month between those and Batch 3, how are KNC doing? I'd say they've done well to mislead everyone and take all their customers for fools. It's the second week of Q3 and it's not even clear if they have finished shipping the customer humiliation batch (0) yet.

https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

Neptune Second Batch
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Neptune is our first 20nm product and will be shipping in Q2 of 2014. This order is for the second batch which will leave about one month after the first batch
The stats and performance that we can release today are
Minimum 3000GH/s of hashing speed that 3TH Over 5 times the speed of our first Jupiter release
   (we reserve the right to increase this as we get closer to shipment)
A 30% reduction in watts per GH
Based on the existing Jupiter design (See photo, however this may change as development progresses)
Shipment begins in Q2 of 2014
Bitcoins first ever 20nm miner brought to you form the company who shipped the first 28nm bitcoin miner
Limited batch of 1200 units,
Payment for this product is bitcoins and bank transfer only.
$ 9,995.00

Again, if you are just going to quote kfc's newsletters, you are going to get it all wrong.

Batch 2 sold out in January: link & source

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/26690-neptune-second-batch-miners-available-740-available-in-kncminer-webshop?p=28943#post28943

They had a stampede of refunds in early February, leading to all sorts of new ways to flog their dead horse.

Nice summary of my points 

You are disputing those facts?

- Yes, Neptunes are selling for only $7k on ebay. Pretty bad for the guys still waiting on the rigs they paid $13k for.

- Yes, if you mine back about 6 btc with Neptune (which people on this forum are projecting is what they can mine with one Neptune), taking into account electricity costs, new fans, rewiring houses etc, then that leaves you about 5BTC. $10k divided by 5 = $2000/bitcoin. Is that math too hard for you to do on your own?

- Yes, they did lie about about delivering all rigs by 15th October. That's very old news, but a total fact. They said on 11th October they had only produced 700 units (https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-49), so they knew without a doubt then they could never ship the other 6-7000+ October units in the next 4 days. But did they admit that? No, they lied until the 16th October and then said they were 3 or 4 days behind in production. And then continued to ship units for another 2 weeks. And I know your math is bad, so let me reassure you that 3-4 days is not the same as 2 weeks. So that was total lies/deception too.

So based on these and many many more factors, - Yes, KNC's entire business is indeed built on a pathological level of lies/fraud/deception/misrepresentation. I'm sorry you think someone pointing out the facts is trolling, but I guess if you can't do basic math/logic, then everything is confusing.

You don't read so well do you? See the google ad above, paid for by KfC in February, which states Batch 3 starts shipping in Q2. You can read and understand what "Shipment begins in Q2 of 2014" means?

But if we stick to your logic, Batch 3 should have shipped last week of June (Q2). All the other batches - before the last week of May.

Did that happen? No. Was that ever going to happen? No. KNC knew very well when the chips would arrive and there was no possibility of shipping in May. So it was false advertising/fraud to place that banner on google. They rely on people like you to support their lies, briniging up their carefully worded newsletters that are misleading and ambiguous.

They should have shipped EVERYTHING ordered before February 2014 in Q2. Anything less is fraud/deception/misrepresentation/lies/false advertising etc...


You can't start shipping batch 3 until you've finished shipping batch 0/1/2 right? So if you are going to start shipping Batch 3 in Q2, then shipping on all previous batches have to be completed already in Q2? Otherwise that would be like total fraud and misselling.

And I think them stating yesterday they ran out of wafer/chips is acknowledging a major delay in the Neptune delivery timeline.

So KNC is either guilty of fraud or misrepresentation - you or your lawyer decide.

How do neptombers feel about being defrauded well into Q3?

Do we think August is a new realistic date for Neptunes shipping, given we have to wait for new wafers and chips?

No KNC customers even a little mad at being lied to and misled?

Neptunes selling for less than $7k on ebay. Those who spent $10k or $13k and are still waiting for delivery - we salute you! And KNC would like to thank you for your charitable donations to build their datorhalls.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-KncMiner-Neptune-3Ths-3-Ths-20nm-Bitcoin-BTC-Miner-First-Batch-3TH-IN-HAND-/331248909042
$6,600.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-KncMiner-Neptune-3Ths-3-Ths-20nm-Bitcoin-BTC-Miner-First-Batch-3TH-IN-HAND-/231268676280?pt=US_Virtual_Currency&hash=item35d8aff2b8
$6,900.00

Damn that's bad.

Looks like Neptombers, all costs considered, paid about $2000 per bitcoin.

So they just lied to people, nothing more or less. Like the lie of claiming they would deliever all units by Oct 15th, even though they knew from the beginning of October they could never achieve that. And a million others if I could be bothered to dig them out.

And I noted 3 other lies knc told to decieve customers above, please address those too if you wish to defend KNC's policy of deceipt.

KNC's entire business is built on a pathological level of lies/fraud/deception/misrepresentation.

Batch 2 right after batch 1 I would imagine. Did batch 2 get offered the second miner or was that just CA batch 0 and batch 1?

This can't be true. They had A LOT of refunds so they must have a lot of Neptunes available.

Just wondering if Batch 1 or 2 have started receiving their Neptunes yet.

Each and every production-ready Neptune processor we’ve been able to produce has been shipped out to customers
[...]
the demand for Neptunes has been bigger than the successful yield of 20nm wafers has been able to satisfy.

You're kidding right? How about https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-95 for an official source?

The airmail is actually both in Japanese and English. Did you check how thick the paper is? It is because you can "open" the thick paper and inside that you find the English translation.

However, it seems like there is no more info in that airmail than what was on the mtgox.com website already.

I am in batch 1 and KfC have run out of chips to make more Neptunes in the near future let alone ship them. This is the first time that they have broken promises / failed to deliver is such an easily provable way (it's Q3!).

Someone earlier in this thread said these fans:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835345069

I havent taken one apart yet so I don't know for sure.  There are a few different fan models that look like that though.

Just received the following mail by KNC.
What happens if I click on the link ? My second miner is automatically converted to the "Hash while you wait" offer or I end up on a page where I can chose ?

I see there is already confusion over the new email.

Yes, it is a new email, different from the first email about Cloud Hashing.
Yes, it is for Batch 1 and 2. (I am Batch 1 and I received the new email)
Yes, you need to click the link this time!

You must choose and confirm 1 of 3 options: [LIST=1]

• Cloud Hashing (No Bonus Neptune or Titan)
• Bonus Neptune (No Cloud Hashing or Titan)
• Bonus Titan (No Cloud Hashing or Neptune)

I hope this removes all confusion.

If you want to keep your second miner don't switch to "Hash while you wait"

Are you batch 1 or 2?