Now that the Zeek news is out it is blatantly obvious pirate has no money. I marked all PPTs to zero and will be dumping them if possible for spare change.
Hmm? What Zeek news? Pirate put all the money..... in this: http://digitaljournal.com/article/331159My question was not as to the nature of Zeek Rewards; it was as to what 'news' of Pirate investing in this you were sourcing. All I've seen so far is speculation. |
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Now that the Zeek news is out it is blatantly obvious pirate has no money. I marked all PPTs to zero and will be dumping them if possible for spare change.
Hmm? What Zeek news? Pirate was investing in zeekrewards.com which was a massive pyramid scheme that collapsed the same time pirate did. I know what Zeek Rewards is, but all the theories of Pirate investing in it I've seen so far are pure speculation. Usagi said "news", which would imply some official confirmation beyond just guesswork. |
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The coupon payments for this week have eight confirmations going over to GLBSE and nothing has shown up yet... I just sent Nefario & GLBSE support messages.
It can take more than eight confirmations, just be patient. |
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I'd like some clarification from Nefario before, but I'd certainly consider bidding if these are indeed valid.
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Now that the Zeek news is out it is blatantly obvious pirate has no money. I marked all PPTs to zero and will be dumping them if possible for spare change.
Hmm? What Zeek news? |
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2 BTC.
Bid still stands. Are you looking for something higher, Thiago? |
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87btc with same condition as before, OP knows what it is.
You missed the deadline by 20 seconds. |
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Is the 90 BTC high still in effect?
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I'm sorry to see you go, Kluge. You were an asset to this community and you will be missed. Best of luck in whatever project you choose next.
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You have lied to all of us enough already, I always knew you were a crook but the forum liked you and backed you up and the dick head matthew accused me and my husband of being scammers. I am happy that little by little the points are connecting and that soon you will have to face the consequences of your actions.
You owe me 17,000 BTC and I want those paid ASAP you scammer. You scammed Me, the Forum, Tihan, Intersango, Bitinstant and Aurumxchange. I promised you I will take action and you are now feeling the beginning of my actions.
I warned you early to pay my money but you decided to act stupid and try to make my claim sound fraudulent. My connections dig deep into the underground networks of the world.
I am a millionaire with plenty of time on my hands. Nobody steals 200K from me and gets away with it. NO ONE.
Maria.
From experience I highly doubt your claim, as millionaire's don't just give money out like that without contact and some kind of recourse in place already. And anyone smart enough won't brag about their connections with the underground markets in a open public forum, as you risk retaliation and legal action. Maria's just a troll, don't take it seriously. |
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Been visiting my elderly father - somewhat more important than feeding the trolls here.
My regards; hope he's doing well. He has never behaved less than impeccably in his business here yet since Pirate's gone he's the next easy target.
I have as much right as you to be here but I get called ''shill'' (whatever that means) etc. I guess I make an easy target.
I don't think it's insomuch that Patrick is an easy target as that everyone offering interest (at least that I have seen) is being targeted or has been targeted in the past few weeks. 'Shill' is a derogatory term used to indicate a company/service advocate claiming no relation with the company. Whomever has called you that probably needs to reread a dictionary, as you've disclosed your relationship pretty clearly. Again, you don't make an easier target than many - everyone remotely connected with any interest-providing service, and plenty not connected, are being trolled. A few for good reason, but most just because of a large amount of general animosity, a few instigators who the 'mob' of trolls follow like sheep, and some major fallout from multiple defaults, mainly Pirate, in a small period of time. It will pass eventually, don't take it personally. I do wonder why you spend time on these forums, but then again most days I wonder why I spend time on these forums. |
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It must be demonstrably proven that 1) a PPT operator knew Pirate's operation was a scam and 2) said PPT operator did not disclose his knowledge of Pirate's scam to any/all investors and/or 3) said PPT operator did not give explicit and sufficient warning to all investors that there was a reasonable and real risk of some or total loss of deposits.
It sounds like, given the presence of number 2 above, you're responding to the argument that PPT operators scammed their investors. I don't think anyone's making that argument. The argument is that PPT operators scammed other Pirate investors by paying Pirate to make their customers the recipients of transfers they should have known were fraudulent -- transfers where Pirate obtained the money by representing that the funds would in fact be invested and where they knew that transfers to PPT operators were certainly not a legitimate investment of any kind. PPT operators paid Pirate to operate a Ponzi scheme for the benefit of their customers, and they either knew or should have known that this was what they were doing. Everyone knew Pirate's operation was almost certainly a scam. (And perfect certainty is never the standard.) No other possible business model was known and every previous such get rich quick scheme has proven to be a scam. Every single sign of a Ponzi scheme was present and there was never the slightest shred of any actual legitimate business activity. At least a dozen people were explaining on the forums why it had to be a scam. You can't stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LALALALALA!" while a dozen people are trying to tell you something and later claim you didn't know that. Let's see if we really believe your argument though. Say another Pirate comes along with precisely the same pitch, the same vague business model, the same absence of any evidence of any actual investment activity. And say someone starts up a pass through to this new scheme, claiming they don't know it's a scam and they think it's legitimate for some reason. Because ... Bitcoin! Would you say they're doing anything wrong?No, I would not. Would I invest? Certainly not. But I try not to condemn people based on subjective judgement. If I had evidence that they did know the true nature, I would absolutely consider them a scammer. A fair legal system works on facts - not opinions. With all due respect, assuming you know the 'true nature' of anything and condemning people based on that opinion is nonsense. If you have facts, that's a different matter, but, at least in my humble and perhaps inexperienced opinion, innocent until proven guilty. |
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I think you meant "Hashrate of this week: 1.31611 MH/s", not 1.30450 MH/s, as the latter was last week's.
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Nice but how is that related to what i said? rodeox said that we believed the earth is flat but actually only for brief periods of time that was true. For the majority of time we believed it was round.
I'm saying that when we say "we believed the Earth was flat", it sounds like we had a belief that was erroneous. But if you rephrase it as "we believed that the best conclusion we could draw from the evidence that was available to us was that the Earth was flat", it's no longer clear that the belief was erroneous. In fact, that was the best conclusion we could draw from the evidence. The fact that we held that belief does not necessarily mean it was the best conclusion we could have drawn from the available evidence. Anyone that says they or someone they know has talked to god, or brings me a book that they or someone else wrote that purports to be a message from a deity in the sky is indistinguishable from a genuine kook or fraud artist. I went to church, but an unfortunate DNA lottery gifted me with intelligence and analytical thought, and I quickly dismissed religion before reaching puberty as just a long series of fairy tales made for dough-minded individuals like in the first poster's video. Religious people comparing fine points of religions like this generally can't see beyond the preposterousness of the whole thing. Religion's highest virtue and value is of course "Faith" or "Belief" in something inherently illogical.
Believe in whatever you want though and we can still be friends, unless your religion involves interrupting my dinner, blowing me up, or abridging my freedom or the freedom for other individuals to believe what they want or live a verdant equitable life. If so, then we have a problem. That's my version of atheism, but of course I don't care if it's yours.
I think a key difference exists between charlatans and religious adherents: the latter believe in the realism of whatever they choose to convey, while the former do not. Dismissing someone as unintelligent simply because they do not believe in the same reality you do seems a bit short-sighted. (For reference, I'm an agnostic - I really couldn't care less, what you believe in is your business.) |
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I think pirate will pay, am I a scammer?
You missed the point. The fact that these people were in close contact with Pirate says they know more than most. And also they also profited the most. They should be held just as responsible as pirate himself. Sucks huh to not even hit it as big as pirate and suffer the same consequences eh? What do you fancy yourself as, some sort of righteous crusader chosen by your deity of choice to slay the evil Pirate and his henchmen? This is not a trivial game where you can just spam A and win. Reality has different rules. Claiming ridiculous axioms and drawing conclusions not logical even by those axioms won't get you anywhere. I want this resolved just as much as (perhaps more than) you do, but this approach is not going to work. </rant> I would very much appreciate some information from BurtW, but please refrain from lynch mob mentality. Innocent until proven guilty. Conviction on circumstantial evidence is both utter nonsense and entirely useless. How much did you have invested with pirate or a ppt? Honestly, I was hoping for a more entertaining response. Darn. I don't usually share my financial details with strangers on Internet forums. If that has become common practice, apparently I missed the memo. When you've prepared an actual response to my post, rather than generic ad hominem reasoning, I'd love to hear it. |
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Are you stating that the PPT operators are guilty regardless of knowledge Yes. The standard is whether they knew or should have known. A millisecond's due diligence would have made it clear that no plausible business model was known other than a Ponzi scheme or similar scam. There simply wasn't any other reasonable possibility. But they looked the other way because there was money to be made at no risk to themselves. I cannot agree. The proof in question here is not whether a plausible business model existed that could have been the basis for Pirate's operation, but whether the PPT operator in question thought there was a plausible business model. Knowledgeable negligence with investor funds and lack of some subjective level of diligence are not the same thing. I understand it seems obvious now, but hindsight bias is a real issue here. Before Pirate closed up shop, there were really only a few select individuals calling it a Ponzi. Now, I see a new poster every few minutes claiming to "have known it all along." Many possible business models exist that could make the kind of returns Pirate provided - plausibility is the question. You cannot prosecute someone for disagreeing with you on what is or isn't plausible. |
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I say give them all (PPTs) scammer tags.
They profited off of this bullshit.
Agreed. 100%. There are no shades of gray in this brutal gang rape, every one of the PPT operators who have not made good on the funds invested through them, is just as guilty as pirate, and deserves just as nasty of a consequence. The only way out should be to compensate everyone for everything they sent through, in full, and then permanently shutting the fuck up about it. And reset all of their experience and post counts to zero, because their is nothing heroic, supportive, or VIP about fucking people for profit. Are you stating that the PPT operators are guilty regardless of knowledge, or that you believe they all had knowledge of the nature of BS&T? In either case, I'm intrigued to hear your rationale. Judging anything consequential on post count is illogical and, frankly, idiotic. VIP/donator status is given solely based on a donation to the forum. If Theymos starts modifying user attributes / stats on subjective guidelines, half the forum will leave, and rightly so. The only reason this forum is still so active is because of the remarkable lack of subjective moderation. |
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I think pirate will pay, am I a scammer?
You missed the point. The fact that these people were in close contact with Pirate says they know more than most. And also they also profited the most. They should be held just as responsible as pirate himself. Sucks huh to not even hit it as big as pirate and suffer the same consequences eh? What do you fancy yourself as, some sort of righteous crusader chosen by your deity of choice to slay the evil Pirate and his henchmen? This is not a trivial game where you can just spam A and win. Reality has different rules. Claiming ridiculous axioms and drawing conclusions not logical even by those axioms won't get you anywhere. I want this resolved just as much as (perhaps more than) you do, but this approach is not going to work. </rant> I would very much appreciate some information from BurtW, but please refrain from lynch mob mentality. Innocent until proven guilty. Conviction on circumstantial evidence is both utter nonsense and entirely useless. |
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