Directly, no, but they relate to information, which is exactly equivalent.
Bitcoins are, at their core, information. Information that we decide to give value to, just as a teacher gives value to an essay, a police officer gives value to a speeding ticket, and a bank gives value to a deposit.
My comparisons aren't perfect (you wrote the analogies, not I), but I think they serve well enough to demonstrate that interpretation of analogous statements is entirely based on perspective. If you want to convince people that these activities are immoral, I would suggest a different approach.
I hope you do, as I have yet to hear a convincing argument for both #2 and #3.
So... everyone is mining for info? Uh huh. M . A hash below a target value. Information - in this case information that we as a community have decided to give value. I hope you succeeded in convincing yourself, because you didn't convince me. M Don't worry, your sarcasm came through quite clearly. Can you explain exactly what I'm saying that you disagree with? Are you contending that private keys or hashes are not information? |
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I'm trying to read the back of your ID. Is it in latin alphabet?, is it backwards or upside down or something? I genuinely cannot see what it says, I'd have to open it in photoshop to be able to read it.
The paper/ID is upside down. I can read it without issues, here: First line: Identification Purposes Only Second line: NOT a Driver's License |
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Directly, no, but they relate to information, which is exactly equivalent.
Bitcoins are, at their core, information. Information that we decide to give value to, just as a teacher gives value to an essay, a police officer gives value to a speeding ticket, and a bank gives value to a deposit.
My comparisons aren't perfect (you wrote the analogies, not I), but I think they serve well enough to demonstrate that interpretation of analogous statements is entirely based on perspective. If you want to convince people that these activities are immoral, I would suggest a different approach.
I hope you do, as I have yet to hear a convincing argument for both #2 and #3.
So... everyone is mining for info? Uh huh. M . A hash below a target value. Information - in this case information that we as a community have decided to give value. |
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newdude also got angry and said he is done with this forum but continued to debate us and talk nonsense. am i the only one who thinks this is him?
Perhaps, perhaps not. If he is, it will be challenging to prove. It doesn't really matter at all in the end. |
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Angry scammer is mad at his failure.
IMO, it looks like you got it the wrong way around. Seems like you're the angry one. You have to realize that scammers have come here like newdude who sold tens of thousands of amazon GC over a period of months before it was discovered, and then once it was discovered you can bet he came back at least once under a different username and repeated the scam. Amazon GC have been a hot product for scammers on the forums for some reason. You signed up with a brand new account and want to do thousands of dollars worth of transactions, how do we know you're not newdude moving onto his next username? If you want to gain trust, the best way is to stick around and do smaller transactions ($5-$20 transactions) for a couple of months and then keep moving up to bigger ones as forum members begin to know and trust you. Giving out loans, or taking out loans and repaying isn't going to make us trust you more. The main reason you put my scammer meter off the chart last night is because I was just browsing the forum, and kept seeing you want to do thousands of dollars worth of transactions, in loans, in AGC (nice acronym BTW) and what I thought was an enquiry into a mining investment (you made a post that sounded like you wanted to talk business over Skype with that dude, it could've been to get info on mining, but still could be to get investments). AGC, loans and mining investments are all big targets for scammers. He was asking for investments not looking for them. I wanted to ask him about things such as how many BTC does he mine with his rig, how long does it take, how much does it cost etc. Because at that time I was debating whether I would buy a rig myself. You read the post wrong and you hopped the gun. As I stated before I am done. I'm upset with lolwut because he is a jackass who is angry I didn't go first to him so he flames on my thread after I followed his orders "cover everything but the name". I don't care anymore the account is off the market. So there is no longer need to worry, goodbye and good riddance. The back of the ID you guys don't fucking read or look thoroughly:  Terrible lighting but still legible. You could have just typed those words on a piece of paper and taken a picture of it. In that lighting it would be impossible to differentiate between that and a real ID. Like I said before, you have the burden of proof. If you don't like it, my apologies, but it isn't going to change. If you're done, then why do you keep posting? If we're such a "good riddance", why waste your time with us? |
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1. Equivalent to secondary research. What you do for all of school.
2. Equivalent to driving the speed limit when you see a police officer, and 10 mph above otherwise. The societal norm.
3. Effectively equivalent to putting your money in a bank with a minimum deposit. Again, societal norm.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but don't argue by analogy.
The above don't relate to money. Not equal comparisons IMHO. Oh, and #3, banks cheat, because they make it out of thin air. That's another argument.  M Directly, no, but they relate to information, which is exactly equivalent. Bitcoins are, at their core, information. Information that we decide to give value to, just as a teacher gives value to an essay, a police officer gives value to a speeding ticket, and a bank gives value to a deposit. My comparisons aren't perfect (you wrote the analogies, not I), but I think they serve well enough to demonstrate that interpretation of analogous statements is entirely based on perspective. If you want to convince people that these activities are immoral, I would suggest a different approach. I hope you do, as I have yet to hear a convincing argument for both #2 and #3. |
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I can understand your frustration, but those pictures are entirely useless - you need something much more conclusive. Scammer or not, you have the burden of proof. Surely you understand this. You can accuse me of trying to steal your Amazon account if you want, but I assure you I have far better things to do with my time. |
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If you want a second opinion, PM me a picture of your ID, taken in sufficient lighting, and I'd be glad to provide one. |
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Alrighty. Don't give up yet! First of all, make sure your BAMT installation is up to date. I assume you're using BAMT 0.5.x. (If you're on 0.4, you'll need to upgrade) Run and install all fixes. Now change your bamt.conf to read as follows: (changed lines in bold tags) # Big A Miner Thing configuration
# /etc/bamt/bamt.conf
#
# When done editing, restart mining to make changes here take effect
# If you're just setting up BAMT, be sure to edit pools as well.
#
# As of 0.5, many less common options have been removed from this
# default config to make it easier on the noobs.
#
# You will find a complete example with all options described
# at /opt/bamt/examples/bamt.conf
#
# Note: This is a YAML file. Indentation is significant.
#
# If you break things badly, a backup of this file in it's original
# form can be found at /opt/bamt/examples/bamt.conf.simple
#
---
settings:
# miner_id is used to set hostname and identify this rig to munin and
# other processes
# IMPORTANT! miner_id must be a valid hostname: all lower case, no weird
# characters, underscores, periods, or spaces. Dash and numbers are ok.
miner_id: bamt-miner
# loc is any additional string you wish to use to identify or group this rig
miner_loc: unspecified location
# should we monitor the cards? 1 = yes, 0 = no
do_monitor: 0
# if monitoring, how do we send email alerts?
# these are required..
# smtp_host: smtp.gmail.com
# smtp_to: you@yourmail.com
# these are optional..
# smtp_from: somefrom@address
# smtp_subject: I wanted a custom subject in my alerts...
# smtp_port: 587
# smtp_auth_user: user@where
# smtp_auth_pass: secret
# smtp_tls: 1
# smtp_ssl: 1
[b]cgminer: 1[/b]
[b]cgminer_opts: -o http://gpumax.com:8332 -u user -p pass -I 9 --api-listen --failover-only -G -S /dev/ttyUSB0[/b]
[b]do_cgsnoop: 1[/b]
[b]do_bcast_status: 0[/b]
[b]do_mgpumon: 1[/b]
# GPU Configurtation
# You'll need one gpuX: section per GPU installed. Not sure what's installed,
# or the order? Open a root shell and type: aticonfig --list-adapters
#
# You can delete gpu sections if you don't have that many cards.. or add more
# if you find a way to run them
gpu0:
# remove disabled: or set it to 0 to actually use this card..
disabled: 0
cgminer: 0
# overclocking.. all are optional
# optional command to execute prior to overclocking
# any valid command (or the path to a script) is fine
# pre_oc_cmd:
# (core/mem)_X = the value to set for this profile (0-2)
# Profile 2 is used while mining, but setting values
# in profile 2 that are *lower* than the values in the other
# profiles is not allowed on some GPUs, so you have to adjust
# the other profiles as well.
# For instance, to get 300Mhz mem clock on my 5830s, I have
# to set all 3 profiles to 300.
core_speed_0: 300
core_speed_1: 600
core_speed_2: 850
mem_speed_0: 300
mem_speed_1: 300
mem_speed_2: 300
#core_voltage_0: 1.125
#core_voltage_1: 1.125
#core_voltage_2: 1.125000
# recommend to set and forget fan, preferably at 100
fan_speed: 45
# optional command to execute after overclocking
# post_oc_cmd:
# Phoenix mining setup (see full example for how to use cgminer instead)
# We strongly recommend you use phoenix at, least until you are familiar
# with BAMT
# kernel to use.. one of: phatk phatk2 poclbm
# if in doubt, use phatk2
kernel: phatk2
# phoenix style kernel params. *do not* include DEVICE=x, otherwise
# exactly same as any phoenix setup.
# if in doubt: BFI_INT VECTORS AGGRESSION=11
# (though 9 on GPU0 often makes using the GUI more pleasant)
kernel_params: BFI_INT VECTORS FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=11
# Pool file
# IMPORTANT: pool_file must contain a list of pool URLs.. one at least, more if
# you like. You can share the same file for all GPUs, or have one for each.
# Miner will start with first URL in file, however if no shares are accepted
# for any reason in (pool_timeout) seconds, the miner will move to next URL
# in the file. Wraps around to first URL when last one fails.
# You can also set pool specific values, see the example pools file.
# if in doubt: /etc/bamt/pools
pool_file: /etc/bamt/pools
# max time to allow phoenix to run without finding a share..
# exceed this and we kill phoenix, start a new instance with
# next line in pools file
pool_timeout: 180
# monitoring limits, used by email alerts and gpumon
# an alert is generated if the current value goes below a 'lo'
# or above a 'hi'.
# GPU temp sensor reading (in C)
monitor_temp_lo: 45
monitor_temp_hi: 80
# GPU load (in %)
monitor_load_lo: 80
# average hashrate (in mh/s)
monitor_hash_lo: 125
# fam rpm (in rpm)
monitor_fan_lo: 2000
# effective reject rate (in % of total)
monitor_reject_hi: 2
# OK.. hopefully you get the idea. Stubs for additional GPUs below.
# There are many additional paramters to help you deal with various
# scenarios, see /opt/bamt/examples and the docs (if we write some)
gpu1:
disabled: 0
cgminer: 0
core_speed_0: 300
core_speed_1: 600
core_speed_2: 850
mem_speed_0: 300
mem_speed_1: 300
mem_speed_2: 300
# core_voltage_0: 1.125
# core_voltage_1: 1.125
# core_voltage_2: 1.125000
fan_speed: 75
kernel: phatk2
kernel_params: BFI_INT VECTORS FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=15
pool_file: /etc/bamt/pools
pool_timeout: 180
monitor_temp_lo: 45
monitor_temp_hi: 80
monitor_load_lo: 80
monitor_hash_lo: 125
monitor_fan_lo: 2000
monitor_reject_hi: 1
gpu2:
disabled: 0
cgminer: 0
core_speed_0: 300
core_speed_1: 600
core_speed_2: 850
mem_speed_0: 300
mem_speed_1: 300
mem_speed_2: 300
#core_voltage_0: 1.125
#core_voltage_1: 1.125
#core_voltage_2: 1.125000
fan_speed: 45
kernel: phatk2
kernel_params: BFI_INT VECTORS FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=11
pool_file: /etc/bamt/pools
pool_timeout: 180
monitor_temp_lo: 45
monitor_temp_hi: 80
monitor_load_lo: 80
monitor_hash_lo: 125
monitor_fan_lo: 2000
monitor_reject_hi: 1
gpu3:
disabled: 0
cgminer: 0
core_speed_0: 300
core_speed_1: 600
core_speed_2: 850
mem_speed_0: 300
mem_speed_1: 300
mem_speed_2: 300
# core_voltage_0: 1.125
# core_voltage_1: 1.125
# core_voltage_2: 1.125000
fan_speed: 45
kernel: phatk2
kernel_params: BFI_INT VECTORS FASTLOOP=false AGGRESSION=9
pool_file: /etc/bamt/pools
pool_timeout: 180
monitor_temp_lo: 45
monitor_temp_hi: 80
monitor_load_lo: 80
monitor_hash_lo: 125
monitor_fan_lo: 2000
monitor_reject_hi: 1
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How can you even propose such a preposterous possibility?
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1. Equivalent to secondary research. What you do for all of school.
2. Equivalent to driving the speed limit when you see a police officer, and 10 mph above otherwise. The societal norm.
3. Effectively equivalent to putting your money in a bank with a minimum deposit. Again, societal norm.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but don't argue by analogy.
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I'm not clear what you're asking here. Are you giving us permission to pentest your website?
(And BTW, it returns a 404 right now.)
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Thanks for the replies! @BinaryMage This looks promising. I will set this up tomorrow and let you know how it goes. And windows guy thanks for the attempt and for sharing your config, not what I need though  On first attempt, there is no cgminer: 0 There is only one instance of the word cgminer in my bamt.conf I will upload my bamt.conf when I get to work. Then you'll need to add the lines, under the general configuration section. Example (setting cgminer: 1 on the GPUs is optional as stated above): # Big A Miner Thing configuration
# full example of options available in /etc/bamt/bamt.conf
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settings:
[...]
cgminer: 1
cgminer_opts: --api-listen -G -S /dev/ttyUSB0 -o http://mine1.btcguild.com:8332 -u user -p pass -I 9
gpu0:
disabled: 0
cgminer: 1
[...]
gpu1:
disabled: 0
cgminer: 1
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You will constantly be called out, I have to deal with it daily sometimes from key developers. I was paying over 100% PPS a while back and some ignorant people wanted to burn me as a witch.
Some of the most successful bitcoin business guys get attacked 10 times a day in 5 different threads. That is just how it works right now.
Still trust no one, as no one trusts you:)
Yup, it's absolutely cutthroat, the forums especially. After a while here, if you prove your honesty, you'll get some level of trust from the serious traders, but there will always be doomsayers and skeptics. It's hard, certainly, but I think it's far better than the alternative. Better to err on the side of too much caution than too little. |
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I'm waiting on the hardware from BFL. If you are following the other thread(s), they are in a holding pattern waiting for cases. I stopped by the labs this week to check on things... there is a huge stack of uncased units ready to go, so as soon as the cases come in it should be good.
Thanks for the update Inaba. |
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You're being way too sensitive.
Not true. I read this forum with a bucket full of popcorn. The oooooonly way to fly. You must buy a lot of popcorn... I wonder if I should trade DMC shares for popcorn. Might be more cost effective. And perhaps more pop-ular! (Man, that was horrible. I'd best be getting to sleep.) |
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You're being way too sensitive.
Not true. I read this forum with a bucket full of popcorn. The oooooonly way to fly. You must buy a lot of popcorn... |
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I tried to get evidence this was not a stolen account using PM's and I did not get a message back.
I was just going to buy it out right in the other thread.
Be careful.
Thanks for the heads up. In case anyone didn't realize, Goat's talking about this thread. LibertyPayout, (a) can you confirm that this is not stolen and (b) are you willing to use escrow? |
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The alt coins would be a representation of a stock. If you hold a coin, you really hold a stock.
Let us say Company Taco Stand wants to sell 1000 shares of stock to get funding to open a second taco stand. What they will do is premine 1000 alt coins and then trade them for BTC.
The free market would set the fair value on the stock of that company.
So each asset issued would require its own blockchain? Trade fees won't be enough to bring too many miners in. Someone could easily 51% the alt-chain and invalidate/steal the asset. Not trying to play devil's advocate, just pointing out a possible problem. Clearly if we take this path we will need the support of the community to keep that from happening, however we have a couple of other options that might work better. One option would be to just make a master alt coin and have it trade freely like all other alt coins. However make it so, when ever this gets mined they have to mine the other sub alt coins. I think some community support is possible, but many people easily control ~25-50 GH, and getting enough miners to kick 25-50 GH (enough to prevent a 51% by the former) towards an asset's chain for no tangible reward seems unlikely, especially when assets start to crop up in large numbers. The concept of a master alt coin seems much more viable in the sense of less susceptibility, but less viable in the sense that the whole exchange would be reliant upon it. (To say nothing of the technical difficulties.) I just can't see enough trade fees to support ~250 GH of miners, which is IMO around the minimum needed for bare minimum protection from a 51%. Maybe after a long time in operation and a significant expansion in the number of Bitcoins invested, but certainly not at the start. For example, about 100k BTC have been invested into GLBSE in the last month. (No, this isn't a calculated number, just an estimate, pinpoint precision isn't important here.) If we assume a similar volume, at a trade fee of 0.5% (excessive), that would mean 500 BTC a month, for the whole chain, which would translate to a little under 30 GH/s with equivalent profits to direct Bitcoin mining. 30 GH/s is extremely 51%-able. (Interestingly, spell-check doesn't consider that incorrect. Google Chrome coder = Satoshi?  ) I don't think people would feel comfortable investing with that level of vulnerability. Again, I know I sound very negative, don't take it too harshly. I really want this to succeed, and would be glad to do whatever I can to make it possible. It's just important to have these discussions now, rather than after a catastrophe occurs. |
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I think the hardware subforum should get a new rule. I am going to ask all the manufacturers to make official product threads, I am going to sticky those threads, and then we, collectively, are going to feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to troll in said official product threads.
What does everyone think?
You're being way too sensitive. BFL makes a huge announcement like this and you have to expect it's going to cause a sh1tstorm. You could break off a thread like "Impact of ASICs on mining" or whatever, but the fact the announcement is coming from BFL is what makes it so goddamn controversial. In this forum, nearly everything is controversial. BFL wasn't the first and won't be the only. |
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