600M is really not that much if they manage to deliver what they promise and become profitable, remember dividends. Both UJO and Singular have a huge market to tap into and provide a real and much better solution for many artists.

So 5, 10 or 100k tokens in 600 millions "shares" for a successful company is a huge percentage.

I think the money he's asking is perfectly fine especially considering the current cap. And he's not old by any means, he's what? 30 years old? The guy can keep launching those 3s for at least 4 or 5 years.

I think the situation will resolve, similar to what happened with TT as you mentioned. Unless the Cavs have that money stashed for something else...

SNGLs are very cheap right now, almost at ICO price, I think Iconomi should jump on that and get a bunch for the ICN Fund hehe.

Well I don't know anything about that, hopefully you are right but I don't have a single clue who they are. Either way, plenty small whales starting from 20 BTC and above could make a huge dent if they start asking for refunds.

I don't particulary think Bitcoin will rally too hard though (unless a major economic shift or war happens before the end of the year), so hopefully Antshares can keep more than 5k BTC .

I asked a while ago about translation bounties and didn't get any reply. AFAIK is not detailed anywhere how much ANS will be distributed for those compared to others who are all sorted out. Anyone has any input on that or had been awarded their share?

Good question.

Bitcoin price was already dead cat bouncing before the hack, but it was the final nail.

Now of course, the post halving dump was not supposed be that steep if there was no hack, I would think that $500-550 would've been the bottom, but after Bitfinex we saw $400 prices for a moment.

Great, thanks for the answers, I thought there was a deadline established.

Yes I know more refunds means more ANS for the the rest of us but honestly this is the first RICO I've seen and not sure if this could have a deep impact, while doubling my ANS would be great, it would also be terrible for the team and long term development.

I'm not trying to create panic but really, big investors are clearly the ones that could ask for a refund, and since there are no partial refunds, this makes it more radical. 100-500-1000 BTC at $500-600 is not the same as $700-800 and above.

Does anybody know when the refund policy ends? I'm worried that if Bitcoin price spikes the raised amount would be significantly lower.

Also, when would we see our final ANS share?

NBitcoin will be adding a lot of value to BTC blockchain so once that's ready you know it will be advertised a lot. I think Stratis could be one of the projects that can follow a Bitcoin rally if it comes. Other unproven projects and new technologies will bleed but the ones basically adding value to Bitcoin will go up.

If you ask me alts usually bleed when there's a rally but soon enough they go up, this is not 2013 anymore with jokes like Litecoin and Doge. There's plenty of worthy projects and marketcaps are still ridiculous low.

I don't think 10k ICN is peanuts by any means, I'm not sure what's the % but if ICONOMI actually becomes mainstream you'll be a big shareholder with that sum alone considering there's "only" 100M.

It's a decent amount even at the ICO price if you ask me, there are so many options, startups and ICOs to invest that throwing 1, 5 and 10k USD around in experimental projects is not for everybody.

NDA is a non-disclosure agreement.

I knew something was wrong...

Checking some blog entries I think the difference from 10 stakes to 60 is a little harsh to say the least...I agree it was a good idea to reward better quality but in a lot of those it just seems rushed and ilogical.

Some are nothing special at all, just stating facts and straight shameless promotion and others have great unique content with actual analysis of what ICONOMI is and could be (not so focused on the ICO itself) that didn't get much consideration.

Yes I was comparing Lisk to Stratis ICO, they both handle bounties pretty well (especially Stratis but it was a much smaller ICO). Lisk I think set a weekly distribution with rounds and different bounties. So newsletter first, 1, 2 and 3 rounds of signatures another week, etc.

Stratis just set a daily withdrawal limit over the course of some weeks. If you just distribute all of the bounties at the same time a huge dump will happen, it's inevitable. For some it's a great buy opportunity though.

Not yet but I would bet that Bittrex is the first to add, they seem to be very ETH token friendly (XAU, SNGL) and they are usually the first to add coins. It's also US based and trustable in my opinion. Shapeshift could jump onboard right after that too.

C-Cex is another exchange that adds new coins very fast but it doesn't inspire much trust to me and their trading volume and UI is horrible.

Poloniex and Kraken usually take much more time.

Well you have to consider that Ethereum price soared during a full year...so I'm really not sure if the ICO investors made some profit (I mean of course they did). But if you take into account BTC and ETH price at that time and now, I'm not sure which was the best bet and most profitable coin to hold during the time (definitely not BTC I guess since it "only" doubled in price).

Stratis did a very good job with the bounties and there was a withdrawal limit per day. I remember Lisk did a good job too since it was a much bigger ICO and had very generous bounties too.

Either way, if there's a dump I'm sure many will gladly buy cheap ICN, it just look bad to outside traders and could hurt an initially rally.

It has been said a lot of times but honestly, I think we'll see $5 and more once M2 gets released along with exodus wallet, Factom is still unknown to many and it seems "boring" to most. After M2 companies will be able to buy EC directly with fiat AFAIK, no messing with factoids or any technical crypto stuff whatsoever. So Factom the company could start getting revenue and deals.

I can really see a real bubble happening if an actual long term deal with a big company is announced, I'm talking about prices above $10 which is what most feel should be by now...

Factom marketcap is ridiculous undervalued and many here tried to explain it, maybe it is heavy manipulation I really don't know. What I know is that last time I checked Maid, Doge and other bad jokes (sorry but really...) were well above it. Don't get me started on Steem.

Maybe Bitcoin gets an upgrade before the end of the year, I don't really think that's the real problem though, I can send BTC just fine. The problem is that no one wants to spend it because you are losing money doing that considering all the fees passing from fiat to BTC. For many it's pretty simple but for the majority it just doesn't make sense, it's cumbersome and expensive (and now it's painfully slow on top of that). I also understand many anarchists concepts behind it, I won't get into that, to me it's too out there to think the world economic system will collapse. It has been collapsing my whole life. It may transition into something different but BTC won't be world's currency unless it was actually designed to be just that (and if this would be the case we would be rich so there's no point in arguing...)

Anyway, even if BTC was just as quick as Ripple for example, this won't change anything. Regular people won't mess with decimals and wallets and conversions. So it kinda reinvented itself as a storage of wealth or digital gold for now. We'll see if that alone will do fo the next years.

We may have digital gold (BTC), oil/gas (ETH?), we even have tokens that act as equity and shares now...but do we have digital cash? quick, simple, old fashioned cash? That would be the blockchain killer app.

I think projects like Iconomi, Antshares, SingularDTV and others who are promising dividends will be very hot in the next months. Even if they have a long road ahead and many won't succeed we are seeing a new way of funding companies and getting equity without having to spend 10k that may never materialize.

You don't lose all your money and you have liquidity, right now people are actually profiting already. So I don't understand some users here complaining, just sell and dump your tokens, I think Shapeshift works right?

People just use banks and credit cards (and Paypal, Google Wallet, Apple Pay, whatever). I agree with you that people who don't have access to banks can benefit, but these are usually non tech savvy people who won't figure out how to work even the simplest wallets. Plus, how they buy Bitcoin with in the first place? Cash? nope...credit cards, banks, etc. I know because it happened to me, getting Bitcoin is a pain in the ass in third world countries, there's no simple and safe solution like Coinbase or whatever.

I understand what you are saying though, Bitcoin proposes a solution but the problem is not there yet, in terms of market at least. I  was comparing cryptocurrencies and blockchains, some have a company behind (like Factom and Ripple) so it's not clear where's the value at, if in the company or the token/currency (I think on both).