Common belgium time to make Some sushi still 0-0 .....
Sorry Micgoosens but the japs seem to be too good today trailing 0:2  So happy I’m italian and don’t have to care about the World Cup  pffff against brazil after a good match i can live with .... but against japan please not 2-2@ the time common !!!!! 3-2 last goal was a perfect beauty i runned down my house like a crazy fucker that i am!!!!! so happy Awesome match, well done for your lot. Immediately Fellaini came on it changed everything. I reckon you can take Brazil. See you in the final, eh?  |
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... monero grows when he wants and falls down when he wants...
Oh, so it's a he now? Yeah, don't upset her. She has a temper, Monero does. |
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Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion is not the true vision of infofront. infofront's true vision wouldn't let trolls to hijack this thread so easily. If this shit keeps happening, I'll have no choice but to fork this thread and start it again as it meant to be. The new W/O thread will be ripped off from any troll protocols (like anonymint, roach, jbeher and other retards) and only infofront's true protocol to be left. Raise hands now. P.S: I won't be reverting your past crap. Your past messages (troll or not) will be safe. I'll copy everything from this topic one by one but (tr00) moderation will be taking place by the page 20781. Infofront isn't the true originator of this thread. adamstgBit is. However, adamstgBit became inactive. Bitcointalk locked this thread because it was becoming too much of a chore moderating it. They appointed infofront as the new OP, to give this thread a little moderation. I think there was an even earlier WO thread, still run by Adam that pre-dated even this one which started in 2013. This one was supposed to be more 'on topic' So this is at least version 2.0, maybe 2.1 since infofront took over when the thread was saved from closure. |
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It's a catch 22 kurious.
You create some structure to contain the beast and within a couple generations the barons you sought to rein in will have seized those very reins and turned the tools you created against you.
I am not saying we would have a better time in anarchy, but at least the asshole with his boot on your head would not be able to clothe his actions in the pretty lies of the state.
I don't disagree with a word you said. I am not an anarchist, but I am naturally wary of anyone telling me what I can, and cannot do. I also don't like out and out fascists, so I think in the Spanish civil war, I would probably have fought with the anarchists against Franco I guess I am a libertarian in may respects, but OTOH I do want some order and fairness in the society I live in - including the freedom to associate, do as I please if it doesn't hurt anyone else and to own things personally without anyone more powerful being free to take them without me having the right of redress. I think - while these concepts are difficult to balance - they are not totally incompatible. But hey - I was just probably asking for trouble. You get all sorts on here, right? I'd better stay off politics... |
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long era of 'laissez faire' rampant capitalism
This has to be a joke  . There is more government regulation and red tape today than there ever has been. Taxes on anyone who is actually productive are crippling while the unproductive are subsidized. The landscape is dominated by megalithic corporations because individuals and smaller firms lack the economy of scale to comply with the profoundly onerous burden of regulatory compliance. And from this you perceive laissez faire... How... just how... Hey, Anon - we are one the same side and I know we share some interestsa dn you are a man who helps those when asked, so I don't want to disagree but I hold a different view. So please indulge me and let me run an alternative take on this by you? IMHO The little firms don't get an easy time in because the bigger corps are allowed to buy a free run from the politicians at walking over anyone and anything they like. The regulations are engineered to keep the old guard in power. That was my point. The big corps like it that way and the system let's them. And it's because they pay less taxes that everyone else has to pay more. All the major corps have huge tax avoidance schemes, most of their profits are in tax havens while they destroy ordinary people's jobs and force them into welfsre while the people in the middle have to pay for. It doesn't sit well with me, that's all. I don't want to pay more taxes, but the tax take is so reduced because the large corps and rich do not pay theirs - that I have to. In the post war generation, not so long ago the average American could own their own home, run two cars, put their children through college - and do it on on one wage while mom stayed home and made apple pie. I am not saying that was perfect, but people could do ok and expect a good life and a pension - as well as hope their children could do better than they did. So: Is it really better now - and do you think 'more of the same' will help? |
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Yeah, not sure why you all don't just put your money in traditional financial instruments and institutions. Not sure about this whole "cryptocurrency" thing. IDK. Just doesn't seem real.
General Electric should be the poster child for the whole corrupt "We're-doing-great-and-our-stock-is-flying-oh-shit-now-its-tanking" financial establishment. They'll all be doing great up until the day, the very minute they run out of money to buy back their own stock. GE one month : "We're doing great! Earnings are up! Stock is up!" GE the next month : "Oh shit, suddenly we're out of cash! Our debts exceed our free cash! We've been hiding our revenue losses with shady accounting and cooked books. Shit! Time to cut our stock and dividend in half. Get rid of the CEO! Jettison everything! Lay off thousands!" Of course the executives are the only ones who get a golden parachute. Everyone else gets a pink slip. So... Forgive me, Torque - but it begs this philosophical question: Isn't this just unfettered capitalism in action? Don't get me wrong, I am not trolling you or trying to catch you out. But... We seem to be at the peak of a long era of 'laissez faire' rampant capitalism - which has just produced debt slavery for the world's masses and incredible wealth and power for the few. Without any alternative competing systems to rein it all in since the 'victory' over communism and socialism, we simply seem to have completely accepted modern capitalism 'raw in tooth and claw'. I actually agree with most of what you say here and basically it's obvious the current system is corrupt to the core - and on a simple, human level - yes, patently unfair. So if it's not working for the common good - do we tear it all down, or are we just trying to make sure we are getting a slice of the pie? Just wanting to be rich is 'joining them, not beating them'. Wanting to change it requires new ideas, new heroes thinking of new ways - and people prepared to be part of the solution, not just wannabes who want to be part of the elite that cause the problem - with lambos to prove it. Is parachutes for the rich and pink slips for the ordinary Joes ok? Or not. I am not pretending I have an answer to this and I am part of this system by default, but I would be interested in your thoughts I really can't answer this or expound on my thoughts right now because it would require a book. And I'm too tired to write a book, and of course I don't want to be accused of adopting JJG level walls of text, lol. Suffice to say, it wouldn't have become run away rampant predator capitalism if corruption hadn't be allowed to infiltrate the entire system. Even prominent hedge fund managers don't know what the fuck is going on anymore, nothing makes any sense. Some sanity would come back to the markets if: 1. Gov't needs to stop actively managing the markets through Fed and CB intervention (just look at the bond market, it's ridiculous.. comical. Who's fkn buying that shit?) 2. End stock buybacks - they used to be illegal, most people don't even know that 3. More transparency in corporate earnings reporting - end the loopholes and fuzzy accounting practices 4. CEOs and executives need WAY more accountability for company performance and earnings - quit rewarding them for bad behavior 5. Let the fucking equities market have it's bear market for gods sake. Quit propping it all up by tethering everything to FAANGs and then constantly goosing the FAANGs with CB fiat money Thanks for a decent and cogent answer. I am not anti-capitalist at all, I am here in this market struggling through like everyone else with some vision after all. I dislike how rigged it is, though - and wonder how to keep the faith when it is essentially in contempt of hard working people and owned by those in power who need not worry they will ever lose. So far. I want to see a level playing field, not governments and markets rigged against anyone but the insiders. I cannot abide the entitled being above the common law and some form of natural and reasonable justice. It's part of why I love Bitcoin, I am free to get in and take part and if it wins, so do I. I admit I half expected expected dogma and dismissal from you. I got better. Respect. |
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Great find and a good read. I will have to it read again in the morning to really take it in - but it's an interesting fresh take. |
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Yeah, not sure why you all don't just put your money in traditional financial instruments and institutions. Not sure about this whole "cryptocurrency" thing. IDK. Just doesn't seem real.
General Electric should be the poster child for the whole corrupt "We're-doing-great-and-our-stock-is-flying-oh-shit-now-its-tanking" financial establishment. They'll all be doing great up until the day, the very minute they run out of money to buy back their own stock. GE one month : "We're doing great! Earnings are up! Stock is up!" GE the next month : "Oh shit, suddenly we're out of cash! Our debts exceed our free cash! We've been hiding our revenue losses with shady accounting and cooked books. Shit! Time to cut our stock and dividend in half. Get rid of the CEO! Jettison everything! Lay off thousands!" Of course the executives are the only ones who get a golden parachute. Everyone else gets a pink slip. So... Forgive me, Torque - but it begs this philosophical question: Isn't this just unfettered capitalism in action? Don't get me wrong, I am not trolling you or trying to catch you out. But... We seem to be at the peak of a long era of 'laissez faire' rampant capitalism - which has just produced debt slavery for the world's masses and incredible wealth and power for the few. Without any alternative competing systems to rein it all in since the 'victory' over communism and socialism, we simply seem to have completely accepted modern capitalism 'raw in tooth and claw'. I actually agree with most of what you say here and basically it's obvious the current system is corrupt to the core - and on a simple, human level - yes, patently unfair. So if it's not working for the common good - do we tear it all down, or are we just trying to make sure we are getting a slice of the pie? Just wanting to be rich is 'joining them, not beating them'. Wanting to change it requires new ideas, new heroes thinking of new ways - and people prepared to be part of the solution, not just wannabes who want to be part of the elite that cause the problem - with lambos to prove it. Is parachutes for the rich and pink slips for the ordinary Joes ok? Or not. I am not pretending I have an answer to this and I am part of this system by default, but I would be interested in your thoughts |
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What's the world cup?
It's not complicated for anyone except our US brethren It's a competition where the winner gets a cup (a nice shiny one). But then it is a little tougher to explain. You see the use of the word 'World' in this instance means literally EVERY contry in the world can enter their national team in it. Unlike in America where the use of the word 'world' in sport (e.g. the baseball World Series) can mean only teams based in America normally take part. Now to further complicate things the competition is for playing what most countries in the world refer to as 'football'. This is a game played by people using mainly their foot to kick a spherical ball. Of course in America 'football' refers to a strange game which involves an egg-shaped object largely carried in the hands. Actually more like a sort of 'egg-hand-ball'. The World Cuo and indeed 'football' is rather popular worldwide, but not so in the USA, sadly. I guess it's just not exciting enough. sorry - very bored on a long hall flight.it's the diving man we find it disgraceful fix that and we will talk now Rugby on the other hand...there is a game the US could get behind Fair enough. Rugby is a real man's game, yes. I played it in my salad days and it was tough, but gentlemanly. When we invented football it was the same, no histrionics - hell, no substitutes, even - players were not really professionals, they had other jobs to earn a living But the rest of the world came in and now it might be called 'the beautiful game' - but it's not necessarily better or anything like as honourable. Just bigger and ridiculously highly paid. |
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What's the world cup?
It's not complicated for anyone except our US brethren It's a competition where the winner gets a cup (a nice shiny one). But then it is a little tougher to explain. You see the use of the word 'World' in this instance means literally EVERY contry in the world can enter their national team in it. Unlike in America where the use of the word 'world' in sport (e.g. the baseball World Series) can mean only teams based in America normally take part. Now to further complicate things the competition is for playing what most countries in the world refer to as 'football'. This is a game played by people using mainly their foot to kick a spherical ball. Of course in America 'football' refers to a strange game which involves an egg-shaped object largely carried in the hands. Actually more like a sort of 'egg-hand-ball'. The World Cup and indeed 'football' is rather popular worldwide, but not so in the USA, sadly. I guess it's just not exciting enough. sorry - very bored on a long hall flight.Thanks for the explanation. I'm in the US, so that makes a lot of sense. I'll have to figure out the metric system next. Hey - good luck with that, bro... We are still struggling with it over here in Blighty. I still think in gallons and pints, and I am 6 foot 2 (I don't even know how many centimetres it is) and we 'decimalised' nearly 50 years ago. |
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Ahem. 6-1  Congrats! Let me know when you beat a European team though - defense looked positively bizarre at that counter-goal. But it's great to see England back with a positive vibe this time, I love it  England will go out in the 1/4 final, that’s my prediction. They haven’t got to a semi final since 1996 Euro’s. One of the biggest chokers in international football. i actually see the belgiums gonna go real far the team is mature , quality on all positions VERY good vibe in the group.... i also think england with this young team will be out before the finals and will shine on the next WORLD CUP Belgium could win it - Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku - some real class plus Courtois is a great GK & Vertonghen & Alderweireld are a great CB partnership. you nailed it, don't forget axel witsel maybe the most important of the squad..... later on kompany , vermaelen joining back also all the players on front just got a goal in the legs .... dries mertens carrasco , left back meunier TOP players its just the team is on its best for belgium doing and its best shot they got to win a WORLD CUP its not gonna be easy but i think belgium is the BEST outsider to bet on and maybe becoming a favorite I agree - I watched then storm it and then Realised they have so much talent and Kompany is 'on the bench'! Jeez. Terrifying! |
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Ahem. 6-1 Congrats! Let me know when you beat a European team though - defense looked positively bizarre at that counter-goal. Too bad Iceland look like they're out because I think you would have a definite chance against them this time  But it's great to see England back with a positive vibe this time, tbh I am loving it And my own team Denmark are absolutely horrible so far. Yep - I do realise we haven't had really tough opposition so far, but if you've watched England (and been disappointed) as often and for as long as I have (all my life), you would be happy right now. We have had too much hype and always 'expectation' has inevitably led to too much pressure on e team and crushing disappointment. So much so, that this time we have expected nothing. Which has been the best thing about this World Cup for this team. We probably won't win, but a quarter final place will be respectable and applauded. As for Iceland, I am actually in Iceland now - I have a house here. I love the country and the team - I went to Paris to see their last group game against Austria at the Euros in 2016, which was a stunning win. Their draw with Argentina this time was also incredible - so the Croatia game tomorrow will be a good one, I think they might even surprise them. Teh last game was played in well over 30 degree heat. We shall see. I will be in Reykjavik with my Iceland shirt on shouting 'Afram Island' with all my mates. For a country with a 300,000 population they are doing incredibly well - and deserve respect. If Croatia think it will be easy, they could be very wrong. Iceland are proper Vikings As for Denmark, I am betting (with my dirty fiat) they will do OK. It's a good team, they just need to find form and keep their heads. I have many Danish friends, too - and I will be supporting them. Held og lykke! |
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yes what a game that was indeed..... kane or lukaku for golden boot gogo belgium and england Kane is slightly ahead of everyone right now...! The England Belgium game might change that of course, but my mney would be on Kane, of course! |
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What's the world cup?
It's not complicated for anyone except our US brethren It's a competition where the winner gets a cup (a nice shiny one). But then it is a little tougher to explain. You see the use of the word 'World' in this instance means literally EVERY contry in the world can enter their national team in it. Unlike in America where the use of the word 'world' in sport (e.g. the baseball World Series) can mean only teams based in America normally take part. Now to further complicate things the competition is for playing what most countries in the world refer to as 'football'. This is a game played by people using mainly their foot to kick a spherical ball. Of course in America 'football' refers to a strange game which involves an egg-shaped object largely carried in the hands. Actually more like a sort of 'egg-hand-ball'. The World Cuo and indeed 'football' is rather popular worldwide, but not so in the USA, sadly. I guess it's just not exciting enough. sorry - very bored on a long hall flight. |
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Very very good team ..... Engeland as well butt i think the game on thursday is less relevant as they both go to the next round maybe its even better to end second of the group 🤨 .....
OOOH dear, that good old British entitlement is going to haunt you if you lose to Panama today in't it?. Ahem. 6-1 |
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 after belgium won 5-2 and crypto was doing ..... few %'s back up i jump't into the booze with my precious downtown antwerp city, talking about everything accept BTC for a moment SO again saturday evening well spended lets see what the next weeks gonna bring us Well, we're up against you next Thursday. I will admit this is a great Belgian team - respect is due. But it's turning into a great World Cup - let's see indeed... Very very good team ..... Engeland as well butt i think the game on thursday is less relevant as they both go to the next round maybe its even better to end second of the group 🤨 ..... Hey Mic - after today's game I think both England and Belgium can relax a little. Everyone else will be thinking about which of these two teams they do not want to play! And some people have a Golden Boot to think about |
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after belgium won 5-2 and crypto was doing ..... few %'s back up i jump't into the booze with my precious downtown antwerp city, talking about everything accept BTC for a moment SO again saturday evening well spended lets see what the next weeks gonna bring us Well, we're up against you next Thursday. I will admit this is a great Belgian team - respect is due. But it's turning into a great World Cup - let's see indeed... |
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@Jbreher
I'm dissapointed in you spreading outright lies, obviously I have misjudged you. Dash is a distributed decentralised blockchain secured with proof of work. Just like bitcoin.
Er... 'masternodes' - just like Bitcoin? Lol Whats your point? That saying dash / darkcoin is (and ever has been) 'just like Bitcoin' is at the very least a bit of a stretch. Evan's control and the masternode system doesn't look at all 'decentralised' to me. Thats what I thought. You've got nothing. You don't understand at all, do you. I don't care if you make money from Dash. Do what the hell you like. What makes me lose all respect is you seem to think you can convince people Dash is up there with Bitcoin. It simply isn't, so don't make a total tit out of yourself by saying it's 'just like Bitcoin' It isn't and never will be. And this is a place where it's stupid to try and say it is. |
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@Jbreher
I'm dissapointed in you spreading outright lies, obviously I have misjudged you. Dash is a distributed decentralised blockchain secured with proof of work. Just like bitcoin.
Er... 'masternodes' - just like Bitcoin? Lol Whats your point? That saying dash / darkcoin is (and ever has been) 'just like Bitcoin' is at the very least a bit of a stretch. Evan's control and the masternode system doesn't look at all 'decentralised' to me. |
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@Jbreher
I'm dissapointed in you spreading outright lies, obviously I have misjudged you. Dash is a distributed decentralised blockchain secured with proof of work. Just like bitcoin.
Er... 'masternodes' - just like Bitcoin? Lol |
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