an experiment is not about a product its a test to find out a result
so if the test is to know if there is a emethod to decentrally pass 'value' then it pased that experiment a decade ago

a product is something that is commonly used daily it doesnt have to be a perfectly refined product. but if it has a purpose and people are using it. then its no longer an experiment
its at the production stage not the experimental stage

but i do find it funny how you dont want people to think of bitcoin as a functioning product commonly used by thousands of people. how your trying to keep pushing the narrative that bitcoin will fail and other networks are better.
really funny but not as subtle as you try to think your making it

im guessing, in YOUR reality. if you ever had kids you would class them as just an experiment until they reached adulthood
where if they died in childhood you would say 'oh well its just an experiment, lets try something else'
you would not care or want to take responsibility. because to you they are just an experiment

is not about keep reading.
for you its about you trying to read something for the first time
most smart people (definetly not you) know what CSW game has been since he first came on the scene 4 years ago.
many people know what slapp cases are about

as for your own mentality. its become clear you just ass kiss a certain group and they thank you by handing you what opinion you should think. and you thank them back with more ass kissing without questioning them

you might be surprised to read what ira's request is and then be surprised that it actually aligns with what CSW also wants. which plays exactly into CSw long term game since he first got noticed
but until you see iras requests in the document. your mind is on instant denial of what ira is requesting because you think it cant be right if i mentioned it
maybe try checking the source for once

how about try to restrain yourself just once. and address the topic. and use actual quotes from recent documents that are most relevant. .
lets see if you can restrain yourself from looking like an idiot, just once

just try to mention something about ira's request without making a post about me, without if statements or denial of what the requested words are
just try.

the HTLC payments are measured in 12 decimals as a contract promise to later settle in 8 decimals
the settlement happens separately and later on

know the difference between the 12 decimal promise and the 8 decimal settlement.
i know 'gaslighting' is your new buzzword but you have no clue
maybe learn more about LN before you ass kiss it

really take the time to understand the key points of this statement
"Within the network, all HTLC payments are denominated in milli-satoshis. As milli-satoshis aren't deliverable on the native blockchain, before settling to broadcasting, the values are rounded down to the nearest satoshi."

ill give you a hint. the HTLC are not settling bitcoins. they are making payments using a denomination not recognised by bitcoin. in a format of a promise of what value the other party should get.
but even when settling they still have to negotiate how to round it up or down.

meaning its not a settled payment. its a promise to pay or a intent to pay in contract form at a later date
which is the bases of what an IOU is

as for doomad pretending he corrects me
i know you love calling anything an experiment so that you can claim that when it fails its ok that it fails because it was only an experiment you and a certain few done this with bitcoin too.
you dont care about bitcoins success/longevity.

also repeating "it must be wrong because franky1 said it" is not a correction. neither is "i guess you didnt learn". neither is then saying in the next topic you corrected me . and then in a third topic saying you already said you corrected me. any actual kind of proof of correction in the first or second place

we already know that you love the idea of factory and watchtowers which is exactly the banking model
even the devs of LN have worked out that the multihop model doesnt work well but the hub and spoke bank model does.
this hub and spoke thing was mentioned years ago and has been actually already running now.. its not some future thing to not be concerned about now. its actually happening now so should concern people

so while you pretend to imply to people that they can make guaranteed fast payments and make casual income on a hop model. no harm no foul no negative experiences

the devs and many others are calling out the hard facts that LN is ALREADY playing into the hub and spoke model. and many are having negative experiences on the hop model

i know you want to convert people away from bitcoin and jump into and lock up funds to then play in LN. and say everything is fine and working and guaranteed and cheaper than bitcoin. and that the hub/spoke model is something for distant future to not be concerned about now
yep i called out your games before. in many topics over many years
the real hard truth is the hub/spoke model is playing out now.

so im sorry to keep ruining your LN admiration promotions. but hey. people want to know these things.
and yes when this topic is asking about making passive income. then ill answer them about making passive income
so you can cry all you like about thinking that its me that thinks "the only point of LN is about making profit"
i guess you missed what this topic was all about
and i guess you missed my point that normal people wont make profit

continue crying all you like. but atleast dont sound like an alt network lover while you try to convince people to step away from bitcoin, knowing that they will only get headaches and problems unless they vault up with a hub. (your secret agenda and hope)

oh and one last thing
LN is not limited to being a bitcoin only feature. many altcoins can use it.
so atleast be honest and stop promoting it as if its bitcoin but faster and cheaper
its nothing like bitcoin. nor limited to bitcoin
heck there are even some tether (digital fiat) currencies that will use LN

i guess you didnt read the OP's post history.
he loves monero and other altcoins of different 'proofs'. which is a typical mindset of the PoS stake crowd try to imply bad things about PoW , which they dont understand.. just so they can advertise their favourite alt.

he isnt limiting his admiration of altcoins to just being monero
so you might want to realise that his sentiment and context is of the tradition PoS tactic to then advertise their favourite alt.

so while you lot try to grammar check if i said W or S or B at the end of Po' your missing the point
he doesnt understand bitcoin or how the PoW gives bitcoin underlying value. his main game is to advertise his favourite altcoin

but hey. seems its the grammar NAZI's that had more reference to lighting gas

coinmarketcap is not even a metric for dominance
anyone can make an altcoin with 5 trillion coins circulation. and sell just a single coin for $5. and instantly created a whole market cap of $5trill .. all for the cost of a coffee and packet of potatochips

it should be about how much real use is being done using a currency. how many businesses accept it as payment or are invested into a currency. much harder to measure. but atleast if you can see what network a business prefers to use indicates what currency the majority prefer.

many see the shift from 'bitcoin the digital currency for the unbanked' to 'bitcoin the gold resort for the banks'
by banks i mean the exchanges that do offchain reserve swaps behind their servers.

user for instance trade these 'gold stocks' but in the end they dont exit the exchanges hoarding their 'gold' people either exit back to fiat with profit. or will atomic swap it for cheaper tx fee coins

many are talking about LTC as the silver for daily use currency. and BTC as the retirement investment
swapping them back and forth in exchanges.

once you understand SLAPP's
you understand that its never actually about being the undeniable physical proof creator. its about having a legal judgement that favours your side of the fence that you had some legally approved association over its creation

its about just having enough of a shoe to have your foot in the door. to atleast get into the party and cause drama and damage once inside

EG saying the licences began in 2009. but he can claim he was involved pre2009 and certain devs stole his "property" and then released it for free thus causing financial damage.
and many other techniques SLAPPER's use

funny part ill mention again
even gmax himself had many hissy fits about other people making apps for bitcoin that HE didnt want to endorse. crying many times that they should be treated as oppositions. and opting to shame them into nonexistance
he even wants to puppetmaster what language people have to stick to. he doesnt want devs to make bitcoin fullnode apps in rust, java, go or other languages.
and his mindset of if its not CORE then its not bitcoin

it has been funny watching his ego at play. flipping that its open source then flopping at anyone trying to be independent. especially his blockstream 'defensive patent licence'

its like greek statues. the sculptor embellishes certain things.
such as greek statues of men with well formed abs, biceps etc
the nakedness was embelishing the story of freedom and contentedness, where as in real life the greeks were not naked on a daily bases

so eqyptian sculptures embellished their leaders by making them look more animal like and less human like
to embellish the personalities and ideals of their leaders

we can see it in native indian totems. when their chiefs identify themselves as 'raven' the wood carver carves out an actual raven to depict the totem is talking about their cheif 'raven'
it has nothing to do with them actually having a clan leader that is a raven.

take george floyd
a guy that couldnt even afford to buy normal things at a normal store.
weeks later loads of donations went towards a multiday funeral at multiple locations

i wonder how much of tht money went to actually aid those charities that actually handle wrongful convictions based on race
i wonder how much of that money went on to pay lawyers to investigate people of george floyds home town that also got racial abuse from cops.

selling lots of t-shirts with georges face on it. and then lots of other 'foundations' with brand names and #tags advertising their paraphernalia
but 'george floyd' is not an actual government task that needs to be done. its not a list of specific demands

instead of advertising the #tags and shirts and banners and placards..
when will they advertise each and every case they handle in court to show they doing something productive with the funds

with the so called 'millions' wrongly incarcerated. they should be advertising multiple cases a day they are trying to get overturned.

its the same empty cries i see that greta eco activist girl do
"government needs to do................... something"
well you have a microphone, your on tv, explain this SOMETHING without using the word something

bulletpoint it. make a list. give details. show how people can get involved. tell us something
if the only involvement is to take a knee or buy a shirt. it solves nothing

nah it was just a human with a mask

doomad wouldnt be dangerous if he wasnt jsut kissing certain devs ass to promote other networks

even now doomad and his pals still want to promote LN as being bitcoin and getting angry when smarter people then him point out its a different network with different units of measure and non of the same securities of peer review and decentralised auditing

even the code/comments in LN shows that LN payments are made in millisat IOU's where at a later date they are settled for bitcoins in a separate contract after 'rounding'

https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/a8f077a8417011e2b816002ba4c4f777fb511999/lnwire/msat.go#L19

as for trying to be double down ass kisser trying to make LN seem as secure as bitcoin.
doomad really is trying to hard to oversell LN even when people are asking for genuine answers to genuine questions. doomad just wants to be a spiteful man-child getting angry at anyone thats not promoting LN favourably
so heres the genuine truth
unless your a big established business thats going to offer alot of services and and have enough reserves to set up strategicaly placed channels across the LN network. you got no chance of making profit on LN

even now some of the key services are only buddying up with key gates(factory nodes) to lessen how many channels the service needs to open and just be partners with high collateral businesses.
so if you think random hobby guy has a chance to get 1 hop away from a popular service to become a useful path to the service for routing.. sorry not gonna happen

its like amazon. they wont set up a channel with dallas wives book club node. or mary down the street node. they will set up a channel with large payment gateways. like banks. and let the banks take the pressure off amazon

i know the OP is just trying to promote a crappy proof of stake coin
but anyone can code out the proof of stake and make the next update of them crap coins only want a signature from one source.
yet requiring a block to have a hash thats difficulty is X amount of computations complex. is harder to code out of the system


also its this cost of computing this hash that gives bitcoin an underlying bitcoin cost of creation(mining)
where as all proof of stake needs is to prove they have a shiny pen to sign. and they just keep using that shiny pen to sign. and when they get bored they can sell the pen.

if i was mining gold id prefer gold to need excavators and sluice machines and lots of diesel to extract gold.
gold would be stupidly cheap and worthless if people could earn it with just a pen
PoS has no underlying value/cost holding it up

my words are that Iras side want to get a judge to validate there was a partnership involving the creation of bitcoin and its IP
and has made no request for CSW to buy out daves estates 50%
i even screenshotted the actual request from the actual documents. which actually stated this


i spent many pages of posts trying to atleast get you to read the documents. but yet again here you are trying to spin it into how my words are just my view.

maybe next time READ THE DOCUMENTS
funny how the "truce" you pretended to offer only lasted a few days.

next time dont try making what ira actually requested sound irrelevant by hinting it must be wrong because franky mentioned it.
instead actually read what ira requested and how its about the IP
show me one place where ira asked to get CSW to pay out to ira (buy out daves 50%)(your theory)
all thats been said is the amounts and the partnership. not any settlement offer/requests
ill give you a hint. the screen shot of actual court documentation says
(2)(3) all IP and assets REMAIN part of the partnership
nowhere does it say
(2)(3) 50% of IP assets needs CSW to pay to daves estate
emphasis:
remain (my view) split/buyout(your view)
now again which view does the actual document side with in regards to the actual request that is supposedly CSW's "sanction"
seems CSW punishment is giving him what he wants

anyways
READ THE DOCUMENTS.
it makes you look foolish when you just try to make legal documents look irrelevant and then just try making social drama on a forum
by you saying Ira's requests are irrelevant and you have a better theory. is you playing your own game of roulette. but im sorry your friends might be at your table. playing the game with you. but you need to realise your playing theory roulette not me

i prefer card counting whats actually on the table to increase the odds of my hand. but you continue into your game of unpredictability. just dont try making it look like others are playing your game when you dont even understand the other games i play that your not part of

in a case. what matters more is the word in the documents. not the social drama on a forum the courts have nothing to do with. so stick to the words in the documents.
then you wont think that a game of roulette is being played. then you will learn that iras request is actually the same thing CSW has been wanting for 4 years. and ira getting his request is a win for CSW
anything after that request (the game your playing) is roulette

saying to stay home and wait it out. might have helped more if they done contact tracing during lockdown aswell, to speed up the drop in cases.
places in asia did and they had great success. thus then controlling the low cases while relaxing restrictions was easier for them
they started in january. and done contact tracing and relaxed things in march/april

UK kinda implemented contact tracing but only a month after some relaxations of lockdown.
but by waiting till march to lockdown. and then not implement contact tracing until june.
which means its still handling about 600 cases a week. but keeping it down some what so UK's risk of a second large wave to need another lockdown is far far off.

but US. they seem to want to avoid any government involvement. let it spread and have people to blame. while then blaming government for stupid things it wasnt involved in.
EG saying the virus was created by government. but then not blaming government for underfunding hospitals/safety efforts of reduction/prevention.. instead blaming government for the small interventions it did do.

america seems backward. and will suffer because of it.

the lockdown was needed in many places with high case numbers. and by the looks of a second wave approaching will be needed again. dont blame the virus.
the virus does not have a brain or strategy. its not plotting any plan of action

yet governments do. and its the governments ultimate role and purpose for existing to protect the basic human needs.

so governments that need to put in lockdown to help reduce infection/deaths then need to pay out to protect peoples living costs too

the virus is not he cause of this. its the governments underfunding of infrastructure for decades that caused it

in the UK in 1988 there were NHS hospitals with ~300k beds. for a 50mill population(0.6% bed per populous)
in 2008 there was only 160k beds for 62mill population(0.25% bed per populous)

meaning any crises has become 2-3x worse just by lack of hospital care capacity

same with education shutting down schools and not employing as many teachers means classes are filled shoulder to shoulder with 30+ students per class. instead of a more controllable 15-20

shops business rates per square metre means that instead of spacious shopping experience with wide aisles and alot of room to move. product shelving/racking is placed more squashed together causing less open flow in the aisles

if business rates on retail were cheaper. shop owners could afford to lease more square metre of space and be less concerned about maximising profits per shelf space.
if kids had one teacher per 15 students. teachers can give better lessons to students and students can have more space to get on with their work with their own desk instead of squashed shoulder to shoulder

if there were more hospital beds then there were be less worry about 'over flow' / running out of beds.
take america with al the natural disasters like katrina and such where hospitals had to make makeshift tent operating rooms and treatment rooms. it should have been those times that hospitals got investment to actually expand hospitals. not close wards off

as for football
sorry but they didnt even have mega stadiums in the time of the spanish flus first season. so its more about the very fact that there are now super stadiums with seats shoulder to shoulder without care for personal space that is more the problem with football

take the president just last week.
he is wanting to ignore and make the CDC irrelevant because their guideance on safe school openings means that the government actually have to invest money into schools.
so instead of actually making schools safe trump wants to just ask schools to open as usual or not give them any funding they would normally get under normal circumstances if they dont open.
problem is that there are laws that protect schools to atleast get minimum funding. and trump just doesnt want to pay up the premium to make them safe

so when you want to blame something. blame the governments stupid spending habits that will throw billions at the rich. yet wont pay out to maintain the basic needs of the basic things in life. like education

toning down your racial conspiracy..
i get what you mean. when new legislation is implemented to give funding to look after child migrants without parents. it then incentivises gready border guard guys to split up families and take the kids into refuge to then claim those funds for looking after the kids. while just boxing them into large facilities instead of caring homes.
i understand that prospective.
but the BLM is more about those that actually are citizens feeling they are not treated the same as white citizens.

my overall point is that trying to compare a black working single mom and then purposefully lookng for a white priveliged family unit with upper class employment. is not the right comparison either

instead notice the 'poor' deprived neighbourhoods. and find a solution to their problems to just improve their lives. it doesnt mean give everyone a million dollars.
it just means fund schools fairly. get town councils to ensure there is adequate food store access. and have employment oppertunities in that neighbourhood.

EG some area's have business facilities/industry where there is equal employment oppertunity ratio as the residential population.
yet i see places create new neighbourhoods but dont include shops/schools/business parks in that area. meaning anyone moving into these area's then have trouble finding a job nearby

i see it in the UK now
there is less school seats and less hospital beds than 20 years ago. yet the population has increased a small bit
its then been used to make it sound like the lack of space in schools and hospital beds is due to immigration. when the realise is that school mergers and hospital ward closures and taken away capacity. to then cause strain on the area through no fault of their own but government underfunding

UK hospitals had:
1988: population ~50m, 297,000 beds = ~6 beds per 1000 (0.6%)
2008: population ~62m, 157,000 beds = ~2.5 beds per 1000(0.25%)

population growth of 24% yet not 24% bed growth.. instead over 50% bed reduction comparatively

its not aout an only black or only white.
yes more blacks than white are mpacted by these 'projects' neighbourhood. but the blacks should treat it as a society thing and include their white neighbours too to maximise the impact of change.
just making it into a cry about how blacks are victims is not addressing a solution. its just scouting we victims, which then makes even he victim card a weak argument when whites are also affected.
if they just combine forces and actually seek change. then they can affect change

but if the exchange rate of asian favours asia. itdoesnt matter how much you 'automate' things in the west.
asian can automate even cheaper.
yet if you just flip the exchange rate then it automatically flips the preference to build within country instead of importing. withut even have to consider automation/mass production efficiency

..
take brexit they are crying how things in europe will become more expensive.. to me thats great more oppertunity to create within the UK instead of buying from europe

a tomato might be 70p UK farmed or 64p euro farmed
making it 76p euro farmed will instantly make people buy UK 70p produce more. without changing any UK farming methods

there are a few things where blacks are disadvantaged.
such as living in run down neighbourhoods where its low income families meaning less tax going into treasury and more going out to support incomes. which the causes budget restrictions on things like redeveloping social housing, creating more social housing and also funding schools

BUT
white people also have low incomes and in the same neighbourhoods with the same local schools and local stores that dont offer fresh veg due to the price of tinned veg being cheaper and all that people can afford.
low income families cant afford gas and an oven to boil veg. the most they can handle is a tin opener and a microwave. so even making veg cheaper then stumbles into the household bills of preparing food

i understand that people think this is an oppertunity to just promote minorities to senior roles and make them rich. but thats not gonna happen and going to cause more of a divide. with the whole "privilege" buzzword

the best solution is to actually make a 'social welfare' budget thats actually not below the poverty line. and also make employment not subsidised by social welfare but instead actually pay a proper living wage
instead of banks creating $30bill a month. as loans. banks should use their own already held capital for loans. and then the treasury should "create" money to pay for public infrustructure

i know we are living in the era where businesses can get cheap labour by outsourcing manufacturing abroad or replacing staff with automated machines (heck even mcdonalds are doing it with their touchscreen kiosks)

so trying to find that pivotal starting point of expanding employment that can roll into causing more positive lives, is not easy
the main problem with manufacturing abroad is because the exchange rate has be motivated to keep asian countries low so we can buy stuff from them cheap. however a switch where the GBP/USD is low compared to asian currencies wil make it more expensive to buy from there to inspire local manufacturing and also get asia to buy from the west which would put more funds into the west. instead of the west putting funds into the east right now
...
but atleast addressing where and what the problems actually are. is much better than just asking governors to just say "yes black lives matter" take a knee.. and then carry on with their day.

the whole take a knee solves nothing.

BLM to become MLB
Make Lives Better

then its not about minorities being segregated or empty promises.
a governor can says "yes black live do matter" and thats it job done. platitudes passed and back to normal

but actually asking for more then recognition. and actually ask for something. will atleast give a target to aim for.
governors would actually have to do things to improve peoples lives. and not jsut recognise a certain minority are alive