UK has one. the oxford vaccine.

yes pfizer, oxford and moderna released pre-lim data quickly but thats because they need some approval process just to start mass production.
basically get to atleast a point of being allowed to invoice governments for the mass production.

they had to release pre-lim data last month just to get the production going. even though governments wanted stockpiles of their stuff in summer.
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as a separate thing
they have yet to be granted approval for mass USE. that is still to come later.

it has passed the safety tests of the vaccine itself not causing adverse reactions. with 100+ results with 9 month data. 1000+ results of 6month data and 10000+ result of 3 month data.

the question of does it stop future covid illnesses is something yet to come in any large dataset.
they only have 100+ results of effectiveness. they are hoping for 1000+ results by february and 10000+ by may..

.. but hey herbalists and anti-pharma nutters love to tell people that certain things cure illnesses but know that if atleast the thing they promote doesnt cause harm then it doesnt matter if the cure X claim is false.
so they should be happy to promote something thats proven to not cause harm even if it has yet to be proven to help said future illness in any large dataset proof..

i personally will wait for further data on the effectiveness, but i dont fear the vaccine causing harm. just think it hasnt proved the test of time of preventing covid to any real high level

give the fact that governments have already made it a law that the cost of a vaccine be not more then standard prescription prices. i think 'pharma' are not going to profit.
so get it out of your head already if our thinking vaccines will be £$100-£$1000-£$10000 a dose..

sorry but its more like $40(£30) max
EG the oxford vaccine is going to cost government £6
any additional costs would be the logistics/distribution costs.
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given the fact that there are 65million people in the UK meaning 650k is 1%
given the fact that there have not been any studies/reports/research that have shown 650k cases of spread a week.
there is no way, logically, mathematically, realistically to have had '60/90% spread' in 52 weeks
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please .. please . please.. can you conspiracy nutcases atleast try to put some effort into your replies. its just getting too easy to debunk you lot.
atleast try to use some form of data/stat/info that is actually of merit/worthiness. and no i dont mean something you found on  conspiracy/fiction site

thats called bad batching.
there is actually processes in place that monitor different batches whether its the same lab/factory, but just in a different production slot. or from different labs/factories.

they actually sample random vials within a batch and see if a batch is good or not.
its not just vaccines. heck even meat pie industry regularly test their batches.

they may make 1000pies an hour. so every 30 minutes they take a pie and test it for weight/ filling amount. they test for bacteria and also if the pastry rose to the right height and the temperature is right.
they dont simply just let the machines run all day and only check once the machines alarm beeps.

when it comes to medical supply checks. they do loads of stuff. far beyond what a food production factory world.

yes some kenyan citizens might be blackmarket selling 'vaccine' where the supplier used could have been a ethiopian 'sweatshop' counterfit factory putting river water into vials instead of vaccine

yes bad batches can happen.
but for instance with these vaccines they are being sourced via the companies direct. they are setting up logistics and distribution to get it from source.

yes 9 months ago there were cases where america were in a rush to source PPE and trumps son inlaw was just handing out money to whomever said they can supply PPE. and yes plane loads of PPE arrived. and on inspection they found out it didnt meet standards. and so trumps son inlaw was taken off that project and it was handed to pence.
so yes bad batches can happen if idiots are in charge of the logistics and dont source the products from a trusted source thats been vetted properly.

so yes batches can be a problem. but the chances of a bad batch getting to a destination to then be handed out to citizens is super super low due to the different checks/layers of inspection inbetween

and there lays the problem
idiots call the theories facts by believing in them.

even if the theories to the rest of the world are just unfactual/unproven theories. idiots define them facts simply by their own belief.
YOU deeming it a fact. does not mean its a fact... to everyone else. its a theory, fantasy, fiction..
thus you by being a conspiracy loving idiot. suddenly you become deemed the liar and get called an idiot. because of your beliefs. and lack of wanting to question your own beliefs. lacking desire to want to prove your beliefs. you just want to proclaim something as fact by you believing it is

sorry but thats not how facts work

the stupid part badecker thinks works for him about 'replicate anything 1000 times and you will pick up every disease in the world'..
well..
1. they only cycle it 40times, where by they defined a threshold of below 35ct is the threshold of infection.
they do not cycle it 50-100-1000 hoping to get a positive to fake numbers.
thats not how the test works
people that were tested where they know who they passed it onto and who that passed onto. they worked out which would be the threshold number for those that are infectious. so they set the limit of 35ct and dont bother above 40ct.
they know that if the number is 15ct. then that is highly infectious. again based off of loads off sampling and also investigating.  the numbers are not decided by magic. they come from studies, research and actual tests.
they have dont hundreds of thousands of tests. different countries, different labs and all came to the consensus

so if you have a 38ct your deemed as not infectious. they wont bother trying to cycle it further because the further the need to cycle it the result would be that a person is not infectious
in short the more times you need to cycle it the less infectious you are to a point your no longer infectious
thus no point over-cycling the samples.

do you understand now??

2. the test only looks for certain things. EG it wont show HIV because its not testing for HIV. it wont pick up ebola if its not testing for ebola

its like at night all cars look black. but if you use a special colour filter lens you can pick out differences between a black car and the night. another filter lens can pick out a grey car, another filter lens can pick out a blue car.  (like how 3d glasses pick out the left or right angle image from a 3d movie)

you can verify the accuracy by looking at the cars during the day and seeing and comparing the clear vision data to the night filter data..
so then the next night knowing what night-filter-lens colour represents what car colour. you can the look for all the blue cars in the neighbourbood.

this is an over simplified analogy of how the reagents work. but atleast it might help the simple minds understand it better enough to see how badecker version is completely not how things work.

cycling a sample will not make ebola look like covid. getting a red car to drive around the filter lens camera 100 times wont suddenly make the car turn blue

so whats the issue
badecker. a virgin wants to assert his machismo republican tyrant mindset on women

things badecker need to understand before even having an opinion on this topic.
*understanding of biological differences between a 7 day embryo vs a 2nd trimester fetus
*legal guardian on dependant where depedant only gets separate power by aging out or emancipation
*legal decision on life or death where there is no conscious thought, or ability to survive without life support
*biology/legal state of what is deemed a viable human independant life

.. we know badecker wont bother learning this stuff
heck badecker has shown that he cant even choose one side. he flip flops between darwin vs god many times

not wow
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again for the multiple amount of times.
the details in the link have been debunked
the link talks about the situation of PCR covid test as of february and as of america.
by this they want to say that AMERICA has not proved covid in february due to lack of AMERICAN patients to be diagnosed and lack of AMERICAN samples to then be examined and then put into other recipients to see if what was extracted contained a virus.
by saying 'they only using china data'

the thing is that by late february-march. it did pass the koch.rivers.bell test.
and hundred+countries also done their own independant tests/studies/research/trials and also came to the same conclusion.

it is funny how when a 'doctor' in april made a video, a 'doctor' that does not specialise in viruses used outdated data from early february did not use updated info(late feb, march,april)
this debunked video made idiots continually think that the story was valid 'cos doctor said'

people really need to do research about links presented to them and not just blindly believe the story they read
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there are now hundreds of thousands of studies and research papers and include the details of methodology and even details about the whole thing.
heck even the people the 'doctor' quoted, debunked the doctor by saying the 'doctor' mis-quoted/twisted the context and basically lied.

so remember folks
its now december2020. not february2020.

when you finally go and research what factories/shadow chains do (settle and reissue) OFFCHAIN. then you will have your wake up moment.
then during that wake up moment i hope you start to wonder and then further research who would own/manage/supervise such factories/shadowchains. who sets the rules for whats an acceptable "settlement" on these offchain services.

then you might start to see the bigger picture.

but that day.. seems to be another ignorant amount of months/years away

so have fun in the meantime.

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p.s should you get bored of ignorance. check out whats the difference between a HTLC and a 'commitment tx'
yea they love to rename things to hide their function. but. i know you wont bother
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anyway. to the global point of this topic..
when people start to realise their asset is being made to be too expensive to barter/transact daily with normal things in life independently. and bankers are offering services which can give them the speed/cheapness they used to have independently. yet there is a relationship between the bankers and those 'innovators' that made the asset more expensive to handle

then slowly people do end up handing over their assets to a custodian. and the custodian hands them other tokens. and slowly but the vale/spendable value of the token detaches from the value of the locked up asset.
eventually more fee's and methods are employed to make it harder to get hands on the underlying asset. and the bankers try to offer you less valued assets in exchange

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with LN this is ALREADY HAPPENING
i do hope you learn about shadowchains beyond the glossy brochure fluff. it is eye opening

again badecker. a sex contract is not a pregnancy contract. you really need to get out your basement and start dating.
maybe then when you ask a woman back to your basement for the night and say
'lets come back to mine and make babies'
vs
'lets come back to mine and have sex'
you will see the different reaction/response.

also the college student does have a 'get out' clause for the debt.. its called bankruptsy

so for emphasis.
when a woman consents to sex. she is not consenting to starting a family.
please understand that.

it is one of them key details that as a man will really help you in life outside of this forum to know about..

and their butts the head of another republican contradiction.. with its own head

one day they argue of over population. the next they argue that all death, old, young, dependent,independent is the 'end of the species'

the next they will say the right to die under ones own terms is ok.. the next they will say life needs to be maintained no matter what.

i find it funny how republicans say survival of the fittest and let the weak die off 'coz darwin' then say life is sacred 'coz god'

just make a decision and stick with it. you will end up going insane in your contractions

the idea of heaven or hell is not from origins of stories of other dimensions/life beyond life.

its the idea that if you do bad things when you young, when you become elderly and look back on your life you will not have fond memories. you will have guilt and ptsd and nightmares about your past.
in dimentia you hallucinate -relive your horrendous life.

where as if you do good in early years, when elderly your more at peace and have fond memories and dreams reliving past good deeds.

those that end up having dementia/hallucinations/altzeimers will suffer the pain of their own actions if they do bad in life.

and when dead. your body just decomposes. no new life. no new consciousness neither good or bad. but how would you want to spend your last few months before death.. in your own horror story or in your own peaceful dreams

so lets translate to modern english. without the campfire story twists:
nurse faustina by the will of her on good subconscious. went to a dementia ward and seen the horrors of those tormented by their own minds memories. she wants to tell the world what she saw
the dementia patients hated her but had to obey her goodwill gestures if they were to get fed,bathed,treated.
the patients believed they would never get old or have mental issues that would make then fear themselves later in life..

atleast now that sounds like a more realistic diary

consent to sex. is not the same as consent to pregnancy
dang you must be a virgin

when people have sex. its got nothing to do with consenting to pregnancy.
allowing a penis in a vagina is not a pregnancy contract

please badecker. get a girlfriend. gain some real life experience

when you get into a taxi. the taxi driver is then not obligated to let you stay in the cab

he can say "sorry its my lunchbreak, get out"
he can say "no i dont accept euros. if you cant pay in dollars get out"
he can say "theres no room in my cab for your 20 wives and 30 children, go hire a minibus"

i know you want to feel like he should be obligated to service you but he is not.
his cab.. his terms of service. dont agree get out

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in short its the mothers womb and the mothers terms of deciding if she wants to remain pregnant. end of
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a womans womb is HER private property. so put your republican/freeman mindset to that.
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a retail store is its own private property. they can set the rules of who is allowed in. same as strip clubs. if they want to make a rule that they can ask people under 18 to leave.. they can.
heck they can have the right to tell people to leave if they dont wear facemasks. thats their right

children dont get full rights until 18. which is why the parent becomes the decision maker about a childrens rights. this includes medical decisions about things like should a child in a vegetative state coma be taken off life support. again the parent decides
which is where a vegetative state embryo/fetus that has no conscious thought or ability to speak for itself nor able to survive without lifesupport system(womb) becomes the mothers choice to keep it or let it pass

learn about factories.. or other LN things. such as lightning labs 'shadowchains'
then maybe you will understand that inchannel HTLC's (not 8 deciminal, so not broadcastable) do not always get converted to bitcoin transactions(8decimal) to settle to the bitcoin blockchain

meaning settlements are not always broadcast to the blitcoin blockchain. but instead just arbitraged/aggregated back to the factory/orchestrator/manager. that then just re-issues new HTLC to play with offchain.

ive told you multiples times now if you want to act like an LN promoter. atleast do some research

htlcs do not have to convert to 8dec transaction to settle to the bitcoin blockchain. and cannot themselves be settled on the blockchain direct.
their converted settling contract can just be a signal to a manager to re-allocate HTLC off chain. or can end up "settling" to a sidechain which again is not the bitcoin blockchain.

try to understand the tech.. not just repeat the promotional brochure buzzwordatory

again
HTLC are not 8 decimal nor direct link to a blockchain transaction. they are a sub contract in a different unit measure.
please just try to do research. dont hit reply to say you done it and you disagree.. just go check. actually check. then reply. if you reply in the next couple hours it shows you didnt put in the effort and you have no interest in learning. you just want to cause an argument to defend a "product" you want to advertise/promote.
drop the promotion mindset for just a day and put in some research mindset effort.
things to check before dare replying:
factories.
shadowchains,
watchtowers.
millisats vs sats
htlc vs confirmed bitcoin transaction.

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i say this. because there are already "liquidity markets" that are selling HTLC balance all off chain where people can swap balance to open and close new channels all without touching the blockchain.
go research it. and then maybe then you will see how the big finance and devs are trying to de-tether LN value from true bitcoin value.
EG 1 real 0.00500000 bitcoin utxo may only be worth   470000000millisat  (0.00470000btc) in LN htlc due to all the service fees and 'renting' fee's of a channel

government cannot regulate bitcoin blockchain. but it can regulate the off-ramps back and forth between fiat.
EG make laws to prevent retailers accepting anything but fiat
EG make laws to prevent 'money services' from offering exchange/custodial services

thus they can regulate bitcoin into the dark market/boiler room/basement trader economy.

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over the last decade many 'projects'/ICO tried to promote schemes whereby they hoped for investment to make 'freelands' where the currency of that land was purely bitcoin. but in the end it just turned out as money grabbing greed attempts

bitcoin should not be thought of as something people want as the 'new world order single currency' but instead keep fiat as the national currency that can take on all the crap debt. while separetly allow free flow of asset/wealth holding in bitcoin

EG Fiat is your credit card debt and bitcoin is your savings account.
keeping them separate so you can write off/dissolve/bankrupt your fiat account without it intruding into your savings account

EG if US retailers were allowed to accept canadian dollars aswell as american dollars. people can set up a canadian account for savings and an american account for their credit/debt/mortgages. and if they got caught short with american repayments they can bankrupt their american identity and american cant then try to syphon off funds from the canadian account as its not their jurisdiction. .. in simplistic analogy.
after all thats how corporations get away with tax/debt.
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if a 'freeland' was pure bitcoin. then the economy would be forced into also having to have methods of measuring 'minus bitcoin'(debt) and have processes to then reclaim that debt. thus ruining bitcoins whole purpose/function

so lets just be happy for open choice and not 'one world currency' situation

governments dont play in the finance industry. they give that game to a separate organisation which is central and commercial banks. even you subtly recognise the separation by saying 'banks AND government'

so getting back to the topic.
if BANKS want to be involved in crypto heavily they would lobby/bribe government to make laws that help monopolise crypto into banks favour
(EG independent average joe hoarding needs transparency, taxing,verified accounting)
(EG teasing average joe to put funds into custodians offering those services and not be independent hoarder)

if BANKS dont want the crypto as competitors and dont want crypto in their asset list they would again lobby/bribe government to outlaw crypto
(EG governments didnt care either way early on but banks told governments that crypto should be feared)
(EG banks were involved in freezing exchange fiat accounts out of fear early on.)

but using the scenario of favouring crypto assets as this topic deems. we can all look at the gold history of the last 100 years to see what could happen if banks had 90% of circulation.

what happens is banks set up services where normal people can vault up their assets into management of bank services. and in exchange banks offer them tokens/promissory notes to play around with under the guise that its too expensive to handle the underlying asset in normal peoples own hands.
then they start substituting out the tokens via diluting the value via sub divisions of the asset and then when the time is right declassifying the like-for-like settlements if people chose to truly exit the bank service token and return to holding the real asset.

LN factories that do "offchain settlement(close:reopen channel session without blockchain confirms)" are basically bank accounts of promissory note credit

enjoy

a bitcoin is not the recipients property until its confirmed. thus the 'non broadcast' LN contracts are not verified/solid/confirmed/guaranteed. meaning its a promise not a settlement

secondly gas lighting is about doing things to make you feel insane. sorry but your not that important to the forum. me presenting facts about what a true bitcoin transaction is and what a flimsy promise is that doesnt even use the same units of account has nothing to do with your sanity. its about making people see a different picture to what empty promises and hopes the big banker group are promising by trying to say LN is the same as bitcoin in all things/ways.
same way banks made people falsely believe bank notes were as good as gold. which we now know they are not.

sorry but LN is not bitcoin... the easiest way to spot this, should you do your research. is LN uses tokens/values with more then 8 decimals.
if you cannot count. thats not my problem. but just dont pretend an LN millisat accounting of more then 8 decimals is the same as bitcoin of 8 decimals.
atleast learn what unit of account HTLC use. it will definitely surprise you
atleast learn that LN is not a service devoted to bitcoin. (atomic swaps) that will surprise you again.

its got nothing to do with a making you insane. its actually a reality check. not a scheme to send you to the loony bin. so drop throwing about the gaslight word as my comments on LN has nothing to do with trying you put you into a psych assessment/72hor hold. so get over yourself and wake up

but if you do want to keep promoting LN while not fully understanding it.. atleast dont try over promising LN features under the guise of the security of what bitcoins blockchain offer.
its not the same security model nor accounting model nor settlement model(factories settle offchain).
yep factory/watchtowers can aggregate the vaulted value on the blockchain. and then offer offchain promises(htlc's) where by the promises(htlc's) never settle onchain. they just separetly go back to the factory/watchtower that then re-issues new promises(htlc's) all offchain.

if your not upto date about what LN does. maybe try to use it if you actually want to promote it.. and run scenarios and realise the flaws/limitations. after all you seem to be a fan of it, so its strange you seem reluctant to then use it to learn how it works outside of the publicity literature given to you by others.

just stop acting like a publicity kiss ass and actually understand what your a fan of, thats all im saying

stop abusing the buzzword gaslighting until you learn the meaning
if your doubting your sanity. that on you.
but facts and numbers and quotes from devs showing they dont want people to use bitcoin as money exist.

but anyway if we forget the bitcoin as money element and instead leap forward to say bitcoin was always thought of as a reserve asset(gold)
did you know when gold left the money standard in the 1970's they too said 'people can choose to run their own gold vault plus you always have uncensored gold trades available' you not forced to use banknotes

but look how 'mainstream' gold is not. its no longer something every day people use everyday for barter
its not something people think about using daily.
yea it exists in financial industry amungst the big boys. but be honest when was the last time you used gold for daily use barter

plus to be a viable 'vault' in LN. requires you to have enough 'value' locked up to be collateral for tokens in each channel and have multiple channels to be able to be a service. otherwise you just end up having no path/route available or not enough funds to offer out as a route/path for others. and end up only becoming attached to the large services. to reduce your collateral outlay/risk of loss.

maybe try to run real life scenarios/feasibility studies/test runs. and see how realistic the 'freedoms' are that have been promoted to you.
yep run some scenarios and dont just avoid it by saying doing so is some psychological experiment to make you feel insane(gaslight). that rebuttal does not work.

tree's benefit carbon, benefit human lungs
tree's benefit the lumber industry

when lumber companies can plant tree's at no cost due to donations/grants from charity/government. it makes them instant profit at time of chopping them down and turning them into planks a couple decades later

here is some factual carbon stats
normal rainforests per hectare: absorb ~40tonnes of carbon. release 7tonnes of oxygen
oil palm plantation per hectare: absorb ~60tonnes of carbon. release 18tonnes of oxygen

this is because palm oil requires different amount of hydrocarbons/carbohydrates.

so when you pay some environmental charities to plant high carbon absorbing high oxygen releasing plants. the money can end up in the deforestation companies that turn old rainforests into palm tree plantations. because yep. good for human lungs.

some then argue its destroying natural habitats for tribes and wildlife. but thats another debate aside from the carbon one

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its much like paying carbon tax.. where funds end up as 'R&D' funds for fossil companies to pay for conversion to renewables. yep examples of UK national grid allience are not paying for renewables out of their own profits, not out the goodness of their hearts. government funding and grants pay for their conversions

if a republican places himself in a position whereby he might have a burglar/invaider/militia enter his house, even if he has taken precautions that happen to fail, and certainly if he hasnt taken precautions, what has he done?
he has voluntarily taken on the trusteeship for the beneficiary new occupant. the trusteeship includes caring for the new occupant for 9 months and then ensure that occupant gets a good home after this period.
if he shoots the occupant or evicts the occupant before it can be independant he has murdered aswell as broken the unwritten trust

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but
there is no contractual trusteeship
i dont think badecker even knows how contractual trusts work or he would realise his analogy fails


but lets play:
its obvious badecker "trying"(but failing) to use an analogy whereby, in his mind.. a man(settlor) sets up the trust(fertilisation) and obligates the trustee(woman) to administer(be pregnant) or dispose(abort) based on settlors(man) decision of the beneficiary(offspring)

badecker is trying to suggest that men should be the decision makers and woman have to be obligated to male rule

its kind of funny. badecker is obviously a man-child but pretends to be living the mindset of someone in victorian/colonian times.

badecker.. its 2020.. catch up. woman should not be obligated to men just like you dont want to be obligated to the government.

this is where your republican mind is fighting your mindless scripts you read and repeat.
actually try to stop just copying stupid sites scripts and realise where you fail by doing so.

if you truly think woman should be obligated to males. then really truly slap yourself on your face..

but getting to the point. putting badeckers machismo aside. trusts can be disposed of and dissolved.
have a nice day