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9741  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Covid Decoherence: Schrödinger’s Virus on: December 08, 2020, 02:33:39 AM

Covid is Schrödinger’s Virus, the quantum superposition of not-real and man-made.  The superposition collapses to either state through observations of people voicing their opinions on the Internet.

sorry but the cats already out of the box. its a real natural virus
proof of man made would be no introns. as they are destroyed in gene splicing.. but the covid virus has introns
proof its real is the international hospital witnesses of patients with certain symptoms. thus is not some china myth or american puppet game. america cant afford to pay off al doctors in all hospitals in the entire world. nor the millions of patients or their families.. america is having trouble just trying to offer $1200 a year just for americans to stay home

there is no 'what if' or 'wait and see' super position(possibility). the measurements have been done.
its a fixed fact.
9742  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Its time to stop calling the left progressive, because they are the opposite on: December 07, 2020, 10:04:02 PM
over the last couple years i have seen king scorpio throw the word 'communist' around many times.. but without him even understanding it.

sometimes he confuses it with socialist. sometimes capitalist and sometime democratic..
if he cant define a group as one thing. because he lacks understand the group. he just ends up calling them communist.

the funny part is. conservatives/republicans.. are not progressives. they want to converse. not progress. the hint is in the name conservatives
9743  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FIRST LADY MELANIA TRUMP, An Extraordinary Woman. on: December 07, 2020, 09:53:02 PM
oh look at the trumpette fangirls.

melania wont speak out against trump because she wont be given his credit card that night if she does.
he bought her silence.

any honourable woman finding out her husband was a sex fiend. would have divorced him years ago.
but i guess the money speaks louder to her than her morals do

some may call her 'loyalty' to trump a strength... EG 'im not a victim im a survivor' mindset
but a real strength is to leave, even if it causes a financial/social loss
9744  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Easiest/most secure way of destroying documents without a shredder? on: December 07, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
just burning and just wetting aint enough. you have to break it down into dust ash or pulp

usually best way is small amounts at a time. if you ever burned a single sheet of paper. nothing is left. if you burn whole ream (500sheets) of paper some survive unless you break up the wad.
same goes for water. need to break it up.

for water. get an electric kitchen whisk and stir that water and paper into a paste
for fire. get a fire poker or a stick and break up the wad so everything burns to dust

fire is the best even if you say its not. its just its not simple to just throw in and leave it in both water or fire scenarios
9745  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Is he staging a coup - or trying? on: December 07, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
knowing him. he is staging money syphoning.

imagine it sidelining federal treasury money to his friends and family for all of his nutty projects

millions go to his own gold resort to hire it everytime he turns up
milions go to his lawyers every time they file a SLAPP lawsuit
millions go to his buddies to 'manage' different orders

i just see him as trying every way possible to shift some money around to his benefit.
the lawsuits wont get any result. he is just filling his lawyers pockets hoping it will fund his defense when he is a citizen and has to defend himself for all the illegal stuff he done thats becoming clear.
9746  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Out of the pandemic and into the firedemic. on: December 07, 2020, 08:36:48 PM
There are many serious scientists that have produced research that the CV virus could not have evolved

to be 'man made' is simple to find. the virus would lack 'introns'
the issue is covid virus has its introns remaining meaning it could not have been spliced in a lab

dang it getting so easy to debunk these nutters
9747  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Out of the pandemic and into the firedemic. on: December 07, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
I have yet to find a normal healthy person who has died from the Covid virus.

if you lose your car keys but say 'i cant be bothered to look' you will never find your car keys.
if you only look in a strangers bedroom through a peephole. you wont find them
same applies here. if you dont look you wont find. if you dont look in the right place, you wont find
try looking. theres loads of reports and evidence. if you try to look in the right place.

heck i even linked you an NHS study months ago.. yep a study by the hospitals and healthcare system and you simply said you dont believe it. yet they are literally the closest to the source data as you can get.

as for you weirdly having the energy to find lies/conspiracies and stupidity stuff. the doctors you find are ones that got 'defunded' years ago for other crazy things. and now they try to leach money by grabbing onto any conspiracy that can make them famous and earn them money doing speaches/tours selling their lies.

try to put your energy into facts not fiction. it will help you
9748  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "The case for cancelling student debt isn't political" on: December 07, 2020, 07:53:30 PM
But you see, if a commercial firm made a loan, say at 6%, their operating costs might use 5% and profit then is 1%. If cost of money is 1% that's not profitable, so they must charge say 8%.

'operating cost might use 5%..' nah they literally create money. it costs much less

math
a loan manager on say
$100k/year
/52=$1923 a week
/40=$48 a hour
  /2=$24 a half hour
add in 20x postal stamps, A4 pieces of paper and envelope costs. for yearly reminders for 20 years
add in another 30minute labour for putting 20 letters in envelops.

lets call it $80, all in
$80 vs $30k=0.266%

remember a banks admin 'costs' are not real costs
9749  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Its time to stop calling the left progressive, because they are the opposite on: December 07, 2020, 01:37:42 PM
defund the police does not mean remove the police. it just means dont fund the militarisation of the police.
no armoured military vehicles and fully automatic rifles. and instead just have more officers with better training and just a hand gun for personal protection.

also the true origins of 'defund the police' is about putting some of the wasted militarisation funds into social care funds. for instance if there was someone with a mental disorder, put them in a mental home not a prison cell if the parents/guardians just had enough of the mental persons tantrum. drunks put in a 60 day alcohol rehab rather then jail. those who speed put onto a 1 day driving course instead of a fine.
schools to have social workers not police security guards.
for instance from 2013-2018
30k kids under 10 were arrested.
>200k kids 10-12 were arrested.
 mostly due to tantrums in school

yep these kids need social support care not jail sentances and arrests
9750  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 07, 2020, 01:15:27 PM
im still laughing
people on a bitcoin website, specifically anti-gov people on a bitcoin website. are crying about how they want to protect the fiat impact of natural event.

sorry but if a fiat economy can be harmed by nature. fiat aint that good.

if only these cry babies can actually understand that a virus which is real and is harming and killing. is a separate event to the economy policies made by man.
viruses dont have bank accounts. dont have a government offices. dont have policy making authority.
i get it there are reasons to blame the government. but to call the virus a scam is just ignorant

yes governments could have done other things. like prevent repatriation flights. actually support people better to successfully isolate. actually had more beds, equipment/ppe before march and other things.

but to use the flaws of fiat economy as a way to suggest that the virus is a scam simply because you are effected more by fiat flaws than health issues. just shows that you need to aim your target at the right direction.

yes the government and corporations are using a natural event as a 2-bird-1-stone scenario to mash together their fiat losses with a health crises. hoping while people are responding to the health crises they are not looking at the bank accounts. and yes hoping next year when looking at the bank accounts they hope they can blame it on the health crisis.

but again this is no reason to call the health crisis/virus a scam.

governments will pay out $30bill for this an $30bill for that.. but next year declare hundreds of billions of loss and pretend it was for the same this and that, but which actually cost less than they will admit to.

this does not mean that the tens of billions were not needed to be spent. it just means they want to use the excuse of spending 10s of billions per policy. to hide away hundreds of billions of losses.

again its not to say the health crisis is fake/scam.. but the policy makers 'spending' projections will be the scam
9751  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who has held bitcoin for more than 5 years? on: December 07, 2020, 06:34:25 AM
got in: 2012
hoard average price: $6/coin
am i hoarding: yep

when will i fully sell out: never set a date. no time soon. no set min value. .. probably when i become too old to care about bitcoin

losses/learning experiences: only small percentage of hoard
                                          300btc in bad ASIC deal 2013
                                          3btc per exchange that cried "we been hacked" 2014-5

i never put whole hoard into an exchange and these loses are acceptable. yes 300btc loss seems massive now but at the time it was valued at only $2k cost to me. so oh well. lessons learned
9752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If the banksters and governments held 90% of the Bitcoin supply, what now? on: December 06, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
windfury. still has not learned the meaning of the word gaslight..
also windfury himself was told that the in channel transactions are measured in millisats and they are separate to the close session(commitments)

so again inchannel transactions in LN are IOU. the commitment/settlement transactions are separate contracts

Quote
Between nodes that have channels between them keep accounting records down to millisats.
When closing the channels back to onchain funds they go away. You really can't trust they will exist "in the real world"

cant trust the htlc.
measured in millisat
when making the commitment transaction the HTLC is not used it simply gets trashed
.. do you get it yet
the payments within LN are not guaranteed commitments. they are weak assed promises. in a token measure thats not 8 decimals

im starting to think you have never even used LN. because in that very same thread. those using LN alot are talking about how LN has flaws and messes up their close sessions. where they have to play around with fee's and their channel partner does the same. delaying things.

this 'trust' and reliance on a partner is not the independant control idea of bitcoin.

as for doomad trying to be your body guard. he has for years now been hyping up the services because even he know trying to just be your own node and hope for good working routing without a hub/spoke, just wont work.
he knows people will have to end up giving hubs(custodians)(factories) your funds and then let then hand over arbitratored millisat balance htlc's.

so please atleast try using LN, try seeing the flaws, try reading the many people saying there are flaws. and stop just reverting to the outdated promotional material

please its been requested soo many times for well over a year now.
can you please just try to learn about LN before trying to fluff up its promotional material from 2017.

heck read the concerns on the link doomad provided. read into the bits where it says they can add more layers and services to avoid onchain settlements. understand LN.. properly.

again, things to check before dare replying:
factories.
shadowchains,
watchtowers.
millisats vs sats
htlc vs commitments
routing issues
fee issues
9753  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 06, 2020, 08:30:50 PM
People like me who have studied the operations involving covertly vaccinating women against their own hCG hormone with the 'tetanus shot' to cause abortions and infertility were probably sort of expecting something like this to pop up.  It is the same group of players who are now driving the covid-19 hoax after all, and they've been interested in and writing about such stuff for over a century.

your "studies" are the conspiracy websites twists.
if you truly studied you would realise the project fear by antivaxxers about tetinus is all lies.
when an idiot on a consiracy site says there is XX chemical in tetinus vaccine that causes female infertility. dont then just trust the conspiracy site. actually research away from the conspiracy site.

the actual facts is that a birth control vaccine. contains tetinus toxin.. this is because it makes your body treat the hcg in the birth control vaccine as a foreign attacker becuase its joined to tetinus toxin.
 
not the other way round
its not the case of a tetinus vaccine having birth control in it. its the birth control vaccine containing tetinus toxin

have a great day... when you finally wake up from your fantasy
9754  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Former Congressman Proposes Giving $1,500 Stimulus for COVID Vaccine" on: December 06, 2020, 06:40:41 AM
Well that's the thing for some people, even in 'legitimate hospitals' they'll still find ways to pull as much money as they can from them as possible and they can't afford that. Administrative fees could be something in the realm of $30-50, which is what the CDC is saying as of right now (can't find where I saw this, though I did)

no. hospitals wont send patients a bill.
hospitals charge the government/insurance company.
insurance companies do allow for vaccines for free

take the pfizer vaccine. its actual cost is £6($10) which the government pay pfizer. the government then pay a logistics/distribution company something like $5 to deliver it. (its less because its bulk delivery per hospital) and then the hospital ~$20 for the nurse, rubber gloves,, syringe, needle and the paperwork for the 2 minutes it takes to say 'hi, can you confirm your name, thanks... lift up your sleave......... and its done'
this is where the 'us government cost of $30-$50 per vaccine' adds up

in america medical insurance companies are willing to pay this $30-$50 because its far cheaper to pay upto $50k for 1000 people than to not.. because by not they then later have 400 asking them for mild symptom meds and 150 that require hospital care/intensive care. as those costs to the insurance company would be more than $50k

imagine it the 3 weeks of intensive care treatments of 100 people would be more then $50k total.
maybe with vaccine they can get that down to 5 people. so big saving

..
as for the debate of support for the poor.. thats an apples and oranges debate of medicaid/medicare about who pays(insurance or government)
9755  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 06, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
The U.S. also closed schools which turned out to be a mistake as the AAP, comprised of medical doctors who work with children, has suggested that schools should be open.

Evidence that the UK closed schools does not mean it was done so rightfully with evidence of community spread taking place at schools. There is not evidence of this.

.. if it was not a thing. then they would not have needed to put so much effort into schools and uni's.

Why are you not considering the possibility that officials were wrong to close down schools? Top U.S. doctor Fauci said schools should be open, and other medical doctors also say the same thing.

Teachers unions fought to have schools closed, not like they were operating based on science or children's best interest.

there are many aspects that build up the reasoning of closing/opening schools.
parts of it are the economy.
other parts are:
the mental stress of not socialising.
the daily escape from a domestic abusive home
the nutritian of poor kids that relied on free school meals
the education quality decline of the kids

in america kids are less likely to obey social distancing rules. compared to UK. so the risk of american kids spreading is higher % than uk kids.
the nutrician debate sided with letting foodbanks offer the food that schools now wont offer
so the 2 remaining debates are the mental/physical distress of being stuck at home. by which there are many campaigns done to try getting kids to know there are support telephone lines in cases of domestic abuse.
also having extra support for mothers looking for shelters to escape abuse.
and also some parents that could not work from home let their elderly relatives babysit the kids while parents work.

however, if the kids did go to school and got picked up/dropped off by granny.. it would be far worse..
so having kids staying home at granny's house is safer than kids going to school mixing with dozens then going to granny's house.

yes the decision makers know that closing schools helps reduce spread. and the real fear is more about the domestic abuse, nutrition. by which they hope the support of services and relatives will ease those fears
they also adjusted the 'remote learning' lesson plans and grading scales to help with the education decline risk.

so the % risk of the negatives did not outweigh the positives.
over all excess death reduction. hospital overcrowding reduction is more important than a kids temporary grade average. (life is more important than 1years education)
9756  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 06, 2020, 06:09:53 AM
You actually did quote something out of a report once. However, that thing you quoted wasn't anything like the notebook, step-by-step process.

Since you are so wise, perhaps you could find a Covid report in that list of 38,000, and then show the part of the wording... the step-by-step isolation process, like from a scientific researcher's in-the-lab notebook, where he/she records the steps as they are being done. And you might even throw in the part where it made the injected test subjects sick. You know, the little important details.

You don't have to quote the whole notebook area. Just quote a little of it, and give clear directions as to how to find it.

And don't get me wrong. I understand that it might be there. If it looks good enough, I'll forward it on to Dr. Andrew Kaufman so he can show us what is wrong with using the report as proof.

Cool

its 2020. doctors do not use 'notebooks' its all computerised.
the reports show the methods.

i know you are just trying to say you want to ignoring reading the processes because its not wrote in the hand written common worded language you want.
but this is where you have to up your game and learn science.

i already know if someone contacted one of the doctors/labs referenced in the reports to send you any 'notes' in hand written form. you will then declare its not good enough because its not a science format.
and thus again(you already played this game) will flip back to wanting the official reports.

please read your own post history you already played this flip flop game of ignorance.

the reports explain the equipment/tools/agents/chemicals/even the volume of chemicals. the number of times its cycled. how long the time it takes to cycle.

also they have the reports of the hamsters, mice, monkeys and other animals they test the sample on
and all the details of the tests taken from the animals.

its not that the reports lack that info. its that you lack the ability/desire to want to learn.
9757  Other / Off-topic / Re: What if all creations of the God become disobedient, will he be powerless? on: December 06, 2020, 05:54:28 AM


firstly lets address this thing. these are 2 separate canvasses. its not where someone smeared the face by accident and then drew in a silly face. its a separate canvas. the original still exists in perfect detail.. somewhere

..
now for my athiest view.
1820~ years ago a group of humans(ministers) wanted to make laws to surpress people into acting a certain way. but they didnt want the back-fire of the people revolting against them. so they created a mythical character and said this mythical character made the rules long before this group so blame him if you dont like the rules.

the bible is just the campfire stories to learn the laws in a way that people will remember and be able to tell to others by word of mouth.
yep much like there was no real 'little boy who cried wolf' its just a story to convey that moral laws of dont lie or else one day no one will believe you when something real happens.

..
these stories program peoples subconscious. the part of the brain that controls muscle memory without conscious thought and also morals.
so if everyone changed their morals.. like becoming less compassionate and more capitalist and greedy by ignoring the old fables of the sins of sloth, gluttany greed. then yes the community will change

take those ignoring the camp fire stories of gluttany.. america is now the number 1 nation of obesity
take those ignoring the camp fire stories of greed. america is now the number 1 nation of capitalists
take those ignoring the camp fire stories of sloth. sub saharen africa is the number 1 in unemployment
take those ignoring the camp fire stories of lust. denmark and UK is the number 1 in single parents

this is not a thing about some mythical entity being a puppet master. this is about human communities that dont learn morals. and so the answer to the topic.. yes if people dont follow or learn a moral compass.. they would cause their community to change.

in short the old book of moral stories is broken and ignored more and more.
new lawbooks were made of over the last millenium(by new-age ministers and presidents) to replace that. but still isnt perfect
america is still a community of obese capitalists. and the amount of compassionate americans is decreasing

there is no single god floating in space. 'god' is YOUR subconscious. YOUR voice in YOUR head that tells you to pull your hand away from the hot fire if you get your hand too close.
if you stop listening to your subconscious/morals. you will get burned. so dont blame 'god'
9758  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Former Congressman Proposes Giving $1,500 Stimulus for COVID Vaccine" on: December 06, 2020, 05:30:56 AM
Not something that is needed in Western worlds where hospitals are abundant and a vaccine is within reach for people. Makes me think for a moment, is the Coronavirus vaccine free for people who live in the US?

Of course it's free. After the $18k you spent on insurance, $2500 deductible, and 30% copay, just like all the awesome free healthcare things that we have here.

Heh. Well, I'm pretty sure that the coronavirus vaccine is actually going to be free though. Though administrative charges *rolls eyes* are allowed See the CDC quote and link below:

Vaccine doses purchased with U.S. taxpayer dollars will be given to the American people at no cost. However, vaccination providers will be able to charge an administration fee for giving the shot to someone.

Administrative fees...... Guess we'll get to see what that looks like in the coming weeks / months.

thats the standard 'clause' to appease the pill mill doctors that charge for everything.
the good thing though. the vaccines will be given by proper hospitals/medical facilities. so pill mill doctors wont be handed a fridge full of vaccine to dispense.(well they shouldnt)
after all pill mill doctors just hand out prescriptions for profit.

so relax. the main hospitals/proper medical facilities dispensing vaccines should not charge people
and if you are being advertised a vaccine from your local pill mill at $$. dont take it. they just want to charge you for a piece of paper to then go to a proper medical facility to get a free vaccine.
.. they may advertise it as a 'queue jumper script'. but stil not worth it. so dont pay it
9759  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "The case for cancelling student debt isn't political" on: December 06, 2020, 05:12:23 AM
ok lets handle this little ditty about how banks/governments can write off the debt easy without any argument from banks

first you have to understand the bank side.
lets say there is a total of $1.7trill outstanding student debt
and each year there is $300bill new loans (10mill students(69% of allnew students) average debt of $30k)

and bank of america authorised $80bill of those loans
the bank sells this debt to the government at pennies on the dollar. average 5cents:$1
so it can cost the government $4bill but the government could over time recover $80bill if everyone paid
..obviously many dont. but even if people pay just 1 years interest of 6%. .. its profit(over break even)
so government is happy too. they get $4.8bill back
thats the summary of all debt refinancing

banks are happy too because they are declaring their $80bill asset loss value as a tax loss.
they can have a tax bill of minus $16bill(before declairing profits from other ventures).
so when they then declare their tax profits from other financial ventures. they end up not paying any tax.
(this is how the financial crisis occured where government had to bail out banks for hundreds of billions)

yep.
banks make money on loans they cant recover or end up selling at pennies on the dollar. because it offsets the tax they would have paid if they made profit

so yes. while the student gets a piece of paper saying they still owe on average $30k... behind the scenes its 'value' is now only $1.5k government asset. and if students pay just 1 year interest. the 'value' (cost to debt asset holder) would be $0 (6% of $30k=$1.8k)

so relax. government wont lose out
...

so writing off 33% average(from $80b to $53bill) (first $10k of average $30k debt per student) costs nothing.
the government can still get 6% a year on the remaining $20k per student($52b all student).
which again if students just pay 2 years of interest, nets the government over $6bil.. yep it cost the gov $4bill and they earn over $6bill in just interest for just 2 years of doing nothing

so folks..
dont worry about it costing the treasury. they will still earn more than the initial outlay eventually.
9760  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are people dying from Covid19 or from reaction of the wrong medication? on: December 05, 2020, 03:11:39 AM
So I push an 80 year old down a flight of stairs he dies cause he was old.
Then its not murder he was old his time was up.
Lets push every 80 year old down a flight of stairs.

better yet so what if they are 40 but have diabetes.

I shoot back.     Cool

badecker. already dead at the bottom of the stairs. ..
.. he thinks he can then shoot back.. um. .. badecker your already dead.
..
badeckers illogic and not understanding reality is funny.
many months ago someone said a scenario where a medical incident caused someones death.. he replied if it hapenned to him he would take them to court.
not realising he is dead already in that scenario. thus no BODY to stand in court and address his attacker.
because badecker does not believe in having representation



I've been watching right-wing media lately and found this theory that "people died with covid, not because of covid."
They said the elderly would die naturally (because of old age), so when you hear that many older people died because of covid, you should ask: is it really because of Covid? How can you prove that they died because of covid, not because of, well, the time is up?

if elderly people before getting covid. had a diagnoses that they had 5-10 years left if they continue as they are. and then suddenly they died within 3 weeks. then obviously something is up
then when looking at what the attributary cause of the sudden change was. where it was not a fall down the stairs, nor a car accident. but getting sick from covid that overwhelmed their body.. then guess what covid overwhelmed their body causing their death.
if they would have lived another 5-10 years if they didnt get covid. then its hard to ignore covid as the cause

..
its like someone with osteoporosis(weak bones) where any hard impact will cause death.
if someone threw them down the stairs. the death would be attributed to being thrown down the stairs.
and the person that threw them down the stairs would be investigated as a murderer

it wouldnt be 'death by natural causes'

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