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1061  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 02, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
I can't figure out how to buy bitcoins, and i've tried most of the recommended exchange sites.  there has to be a simple way for me to use paypal or my bank account for purchases, no?

Not paypal, no. They've forbidden the selling of bitcoins. And even for those who don't care, selling bitcoins for paypal is somehow dangerous since paypal transfers are reversible while bitcoin transfers are not.
1062  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcoin donations to the Seasteading Institute on: June 02, 2011, 10:43:27 AM
I have a very good and a bad news about this subject.

The good news is: The Seasteading Institute will accept bitcoin donations! Smiley
They send me their address by mail: 1FexWDptSXFWsZvdLoBckZgVFWytHjsSu8
I've asked them to add it to their donation page so you don't need to trust my word only.

The bad news is about the account I had opened in November in MyBitcoin to store the donations. It had received 50BTC from one donor. But that was a while ago, and I just cannot remember the password. Sad Yeah, I know, shame on me!
I tried creating another account in order to ask them help to recover this money. I sent them two messages but got no answer, and since a few days they have this message on their site:
Note: We are experiencing growing pains. Support will be degraded until we are able to upgrade our systems. Thank you for your patience.

I hope to be able to contact them once they are reachable again and recover these 50BTC. I apologize to whoever did that donation, I'm really sorry.
1063  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: MeuBitcoin - Depoimentos, Dúvidas, Reclamações, Sugestões... on: June 01, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
Como você pretende balancear oferta e demanda no seu site?

Digo, se você usa a cotação em dólar, e não uma cotação própria, você pode ter dificuldades se o volume de vendas não for igual ao volume de compras. Caberia a você trazer ou mandar as bitcoins para fora. Você vai ter gastos com transferências internacionais, conversões de moeda etc.

Se você fizer sua própria cotação, de acordo com a oferta e demanda por bitcoins no seu site, aí outras pessoas ajustarão automaticamente o preço quando ele desviar muito do preço de outras exchanges, você não precisaria se preocupar. Tenho a impressão que você poderia ter menos custos e riscos fazendo assim.
1064  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where to go? on: June 01, 2011, 12:29:06 PM
Not being a democracy by itself is not a problem. It seems things in Singapore work better than most places in the world.
The only bad thing I heard is that they have some draconian laws regarding behaviors... like, throwing garbage on the street may put you in jail. Drugs, prostitution etc are severely punished and so on.
1065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Returning to bitcoin after ~2 years on: June 01, 2011, 11:43:39 AM
There are important changes since that version, including bug fixes. I recommend you updating, but as said above, make backups of your wallet always. Smiley
1066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Democracy and Voting = a choice? on: June 01, 2011, 07:44:23 AM
I wonder if anybody has ever calculated the chances of a vote making any difference in elections. I bet the chances are compared with those of winning a lottery, if not worse. You probably have much more chances of dying in your way to the voting center than of having your vote making any difference.
1067  Economy / Economics / Re: Beware of the deflation monster!!!1 (not really..) on: May 31, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
This is just a matter of definition. Originally the words inflation and deflation were used only for the monetary offer, but eventually people started to confuse it with price changes, and today it is the most common meaning of the word.
Trying to fight that is like trying to fight the distortion the word "liberal" has suffered in US, saying that leftists are not liberals.

Just specify "monetary inflation" when you're talking and avoid issues.
1068  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can't the deflation be a limit for BTC everyday usage? on: May 31, 2011, 08:02:02 AM
Let's say i have a given amount of $ and BTC, and my income is mainly in $ (BTC salary isn't an option). Now, assuming that i'm not interested in anonymous transactions and keeping in mind that a $ loses its value over time and a BTC gains (hopefully), why in the earth should I ever spend a single BTC rather than $ for my everyday business?

You have two options:
  • Convert all or most of your salary right after receiving it, and then during the month spend the bought BTC. This allows you to lose less with dollar devaluation since you hold it for very short periods only. It would be particularly interesting when dollar inflation rates start to be measured monthly instead of yearly.
  • Just use BTC as a savings account. You don't need to spend it often, just when you want to spend your savings. Pretty much like many people do with gold or other investment assets.
1069  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 08:59:33 PM
I really don't think it's much a problem of loss of faith. In Brazil, from 1980 to 1994, the monetary base expanded 2.303.797.693.883%. Yes, more than two trillion percent. There is no faith that could have kept the value of such money...
@chodpaba, the M1, in the same period, expanded a lot less - 1.656.853.722.660% (1,6 billion)-, meaning that the multipliers we were talking about decreased considerably. They actually prevented the damage from being worse, in a certain way.
1070  Economy / Economics / Re: Another pseudo article on bitcoin: The source of currency and social inequality. on: May 30, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
So I guess your thesis is that, if people didn't use central banks and debt-based currency, there would be no social inequality?

I did not read the article, but, at some extent, yes, inflation does intensify economic inequalities. It's not difficult to see it actually. Don't you think the variables "level of income" and "percentage of owned assets in the form of government currency or an equivalent" have any sort of relation?
In general the most poor are those who lose the most with inflation.

The new money is not distributed equally. Banks, for instance, receive it before most others.
1071  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 04:29:55 PM
@Chodpaba, most of the time these multipliers are constant, and even when they change, the amount of inflation they can cause is limited, if they go too high, the system collapses, and those who pushed those multipliers too far go bankrupt. What doesn't have hard limits is the amount of new money the central bank can create.

It doesn't matter if each new dollar created by the Fed will become $10 or $100 or $1000 new dollars when passed through all multipliers. What matters is the relative growth of the monetary offer, if it is 1%, 10% or 100%. And this relative change to the monetary offer is the same relative change the Fed does to the monetary base when all multipliers remain constant.

It's like analyzing the complexity of functions in computer science. Constant multipliers don't really matter, what you have to look is the format of the curve, if it's N, N^2, 2^N etc. And in the realm of money, it is the central bank who shapes the curve.
1072  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where to go? on: May 30, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
Also, to @caveden blaming slavery on the Brazillian imperial family is rather naive, the reasons Brazil was the last one to abolish slavery is more related to the ruralists (that are the current MDB, by the way...). If you read texts written by the imperial family, they wanted a end to slavery, but every time they attempted it, they had problems with the ruralists, in the end they just decided to "screw it" and declared end of slavery anyway. That triggered the ruralists to support the republicans, leading to the emperor resignation (yes, the emperor resigned... he was republican himself... he even felt betrayed after he got exiled, he believed he would be able to live a normal retired civilian life in Brazil).

OK, I grant you that, you may be right. I've never read such texts from the imperial family.

The same applies to Vargas... I dislike many things that he did, including the CLT, but you have to think about why he did the things he did, the CLT itself solved many problems when it was made

But not this. Labor laws do no good, and the stronger they are, the more damage they do. Labor is a contract between parties, nobody else has anything to do with how these parties do it, pretty much like marriage actually.
The CLT was always a problem, it's a quite authoritarian set of labor laws.

Also I do not think the military government was the best one ever, some democratically elected presidents did much better, but in many aspects they are better than the current government (that is soon going to be more strict than the military... already noticed how the gun laws keep being tightened and how the cops this month beat-up some protesters, and that to make a protest now you need judicial permission? It makes no sense that you have to ask judicial permission to protest...)

That's a pessimist view, but you might be right. I just hope it doesn't get to that point.... if it gets, well, I am screwed! Tongue I've already criticized government so much out on the open of the internet, that I would probably go to jail the day I step in a Brazil "more strict than the military [dictatorship]".
1073  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Revolution ongoing in Europe? on: May 30, 2011, 02:02:52 PM
People asking for more free lunches. I wonder when they will understand that there's no such thing...
1074  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 12:55:44 PM
In a hyper-inflationary economy, i.e., rapidly rising velocity of money coupled with rapid monetary inflation, the situation pretty much requires a printing press (in this way money is quite opposite to buggy whips), because if there is to be any hope for a return to a state-currency-based economy, there must exist a sufficient monetary base to service the real wealth of the country (put another way, if the entire monetary base isn't enough to buy a roll of toilet paper, it is obvious that the monetary base will need to greatly expand to serve any sort of useful function as an instrument of exchange and savings, barring some sort of deflationary event).

No, the situation does not require that the government keeps releasing hell on its victims. It can stop printing. It will "only" have to find another way to fund its activities, as well as re-index its debt if it's indexed on the hiperinflationary currency.
And regarding the toilet paper example, if there's no money printing, prices will adjust, and you would be able to buy it.

As Mises said, in the long run, any quantity of money is enough.

btw, hello, welcome to my first post   Cheesy

Welcome! Smiley
1075  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 10:45:36 AM
The massive printing of huge bills is an effect of hyperinflation not (usually) it's cause. Hyperinflation is caused by a loss of faith in a currency. This can be caused by various things, massive printing is one of them and not the usual one. When people don't believe that their money will hold value anymore them immediately spend it on anything they think will. They don't want to wait and pay any price. Now if the government still wants to get hold of stuff they need more money than ever and they print it. It is already too late at this point. Eventually everyone gets it and no one accepts bills above their value as paper.

I don't know any example of hyperinflation which hasn't being caused by massive increase of the monetary base... I lived in hyperinflation when a kid, and the cause was pure money printing... can you cite an example when people just lost faith in government's currency, without this one printing it like crazy before?
1076  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 09:29:47 AM
It's basically caused by millions of people suddenly realizing that their paper investments (retirement funds) aren't really backed by anything, and withdrawing them all at once.  Just think of the tens of millions of workers who quietly invest and re-invest large percentages of their income and are too busy to really manage it properly.

Massive withdraw of money from the fractional reserve system would most likely cause deflation of the monetary offer, with banks going bankrupted and all the M1 created by them vanishing...
1077  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
While the amount of available currency (M0) amounts to maybe a little over $1 trillion, the other components of the money supply are many multiples of this. M2 includes bank accounts, money market accounts, and money market mutual funds and most likely measures in the teens of trillions... And then there is M3 which includes certificates of deposit, deposits in foreign currencies, and repurchase agreements (a type of loan), it is not easy to get a measure of M3 because the Federal Reserve stopped publishing this metric after 2005. But it is in these derivative tiers of the money supply where hyperinflation takes place. It should make you very uneasy that the mechanics of these levels of money creation are kept from public accountability...

All monetary aggregates are multipliers of the M0. If the M0 remains constant, these aggregates can only cause inflation/deflation if the multiplier changes, for example, if the compulsory decreases, that will increase the M1. But that's the only way and it's a limited effect. These aggregates multipliers are most of the time constants. And when they are constant, the only way the monetary offer can increase is if the monetary base increases. That's the true source of inflation.
1078  Economy / Economics / Re: Why did hyperinflations happen? on: May 30, 2011, 09:10:56 AM
I do not understand why is hyperinflation happening. OK, the main cause is that governments want to cover growing costs with newly printed currency. But why don't they stop at some point?

But eventually most of them do stop. It just takes them a while - and lots of misery and suffering from the people they control - to accept reality. Stop printing means they either have to cut expanses or increase taxes, probably a strong mix of both.

I think the only example of government that did not stop was Zimbabwe, at least the only one I am aware about. They printed so much the people themselves abandoned the currency, and the government couldn't enforce its use any more.
1079  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where to go? on: May 28, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
Monarquists (I know some) would cringe at that.

Brazil late monarchy was actually one of the most interesting governments ever, the emperor was so much for freedom,

Yeah, he was so much for freedom he kept the majority of the population as slaves... Brazil was one of the last countries to abolish slavery, and the monarchy has its fault on it.

But what I mean was: During those times, the government were usually more efficient,

No, it was not. Take the military dictatorship for ex. They were control freaks, central planning at its ultimate level. Most of Brazil huge inefficient state companies were created during their time. The "economic miracle" was nothing more than lots of government spending fueled by debt - which Brazilians have to carry until today - and money printing, which basically destroyed the country economy during the 80s with the hyperinflation it caused. Brazil income discrepancies are a fruit of the hyperinflation: http://www.mises.org.br/Article.aspx?id=313

And that dictator did a so good job, that after getting deposed, people willingly elected him again.

Do you mean Vargas, that fascist criminal who cursed Brazil with... the CLT!?

And the current republic plainly suck, most of the power is concentrated in the hands of PMDB,

Yeah, they suck... but at least those corrupt parasites kind of protected the country from PT. Imagine if PT had absolute majority...

I am not defending that guy, he IS a crook, but other presidents did much worst shit and PMDB protected them, as they handed named offices to PMDB members and do not insisted in strong anti-corruption laws.

I agree with that. Actually most of the late 20 years economic improvements the country has lived are due to the changes promoted during the period of that crook, plus the end of hyperinflation of course.

To the guy that says I am seeking for novelty: I am seeking actually for security, peace and (somewhat) honest people.

You'll find this in France, I can say for experience. But there may be places that suit you better. The guy that answered that you have to see for yourself is correct.
1080  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where to go? on: May 27, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
(the best times in Brazil were during Monarchy, and during Dictatorships,

You mean the best times were when most of the population was enslaved (monarchy), or when government authoritarianism and central planning would make the current socialistic government look like a libertarian dream?

Geez man, not that things are nice now, but they were way worse on those times.

Now, about your question, I don't know if I can answer it, since I don't know you well enough. I don't think you really want to go to northern Europe... it's frozen!! But less cold parts of Europe may be interesting if you want to run away from the violence. I live on the south of France, and the winter here is not that harsh. Ordinary violence barely exists, and when something happens, is normally a theft done hidden, never a quick kidnapping as standard in Brazil.

Now, if you want to make money, probably Europe is not the best shot. How far are you willing to go? Have you looked Singapore? Their government is somehow authoritarian on behavior standards, but not as much as Dubai for instance, and in Singapore the economy is impressive. I read somewhere that 16% of its population are dollar-millionaires.
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