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10661  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: July 03, 2020, 04:21:58 PM
Masks
Here is the thing about masks, although they will slow the spread of the Wuhan Coronavirus, they will not actually stop anyone from getting the virus over the long run.

Hospitals have the ability to care for patients and the Military can provide surge hospital capacity if necessary. Currently, there are many people in this hospital who have the virus but are in the hospital because they have delayed seeking care for other health issues.

Back to my original point, if the virus spreads more quickly, the US will reach herd immunity more quickly, and the virus will no longer be a problem. If there are sharply lower numbers of cases 2-3 months before the election, the political cover to have widespread mail-in voting will be removed. Widespread mail-in voting will result in widespread voter fraud (look at what happened in NJ recently where ~20% of mailed ballots were fraudulent), and it is not possible to have a free and fair election with widespread mail-in voting.

I am not sure if we can get herd immunity in ~2 months. We probably have about 6% of the US population infected as of today, and we need somewhere between 40 and 70% of the population to be immune (via having recovered or receiving a vaccine) to outright stop the spread. Currently, mostly young people are getting the virus, who are dying at much lower rates than when NY governor Cuomo was sending infected people into nursing homes to maximize the number of vulnerable people getting infected, and are having hospital stays at around half as older people.

lets correct a few things
imagine a californian area of 10mill people. knowing there are 2000 hospital beds
knowing the r0 of 2.6 withotu lockdown
knowing 9% of people who get it need hospital treatment (30% mild needing home bedrest)

so lets just take some weekly numbers of February and March
ill also abbreviate things
NH=badly sick need hospital.
OK. for assymptomatic/bedrest at home people

lets begin with saying just 55 people got off a repatriation flight who got the virus but 50 not really that sick. but 5 were sick to need treatment.

Fwk1:50(OK),5(NH)          Fwk2:130(OK),13(NH) Fwk3:338(OK),34(NH)    Fwk4:879(OK),88(NH)
Mwk1:2284(OK),228(NH)  Mwk2:5940(OK),594(NH) Mwk3:15445(OK),1545(NH)

as you can see even basic math shows that at march 14 where there are 594 needing a bed. and being in bed for a fortnight. and adding to that the 1545 the following week. causes all the beds to be full

and they cant let it get even bigger numbers the following week
again this is only talking about 1500 sick in a whole week amungst 10mill
.. the reason its bad. is because there are only 2000 beds
get it yet?


so
imagine no lockdown. no restriction.
and just counting the NH numbers
MWk4: in hospital already 1545 + 4016new  37 previously died/ 331 discharged
      =5561 patients but 2000 beds = 3561 discharged untreated=potential deaths(mainly at home)
AWk1: in hospital already 2000 + 10441new  3598 previously died
      =5561 patients but 2000 beds = 10000 discharged untreated=potential deaths(mainly at home)

its now getting to a point just a few weeks later that anyone wanting treatment wont get any.

this is why the lockdown was done in the 2nd week of march to curb the spread before it got t the march week 4 predicted numbers.

....
if you do the math of the 50+130+338+878+and so on Ok people
in mid march would be 9621 people out of 10mill that had it but not harshly
which is 0.9% total pre lockdown
a couple weeks of that
which at the flatten of the curve would be ~0.5% a week which would have been 0.9+6%= ~7% combined spread
without lockdown it would have been 0.9+2.5+6.5+16.9+43.96= ~70% spread in 4 weeks..
but with 7% that really need hospital treatment but not getting it (so ~22mill died at home with no treatment)

however
if society could maintain a healthy 1% spread each week to allow the sick the 0.1% sick to have 2 weeks of treatments(0.2% bed occupency) at any time. and have its predictable and controllable it wasnt a problem

the at 1% spread a week would take another ~93 weeks to get 100% herd immunity
or 63 weeks to get 70% her immune

...
any faster then that will over run the hospitals

have a nice day and enjoy the 0.5% curbed spread due to lockdown while it lasts.
yes at full lockdown it would take a few hundred weeks to get her spread.
but now it seems that number is rising now lockdown is relaxed. so expect nurses and doctors to get overworked soon and another lockdown to be put in place. because they cant just let it go uncontrolled

an r0 of 1.1
JulWk1:0.5%: JulWk2: 0.55% JullWk3: 0.6% JulWk4:0.66%
AugWk1: 0.73%  AugWk2:0.8% AugWk3: 0.88% AugWk4:0.97%

so even at just the smallest of rises of 1.1 expect 2 months before something will need to be tightened/restricted again.

or.
stay at a distance. dont get sick and lower the numbers.. and then restrictions dont have to happen in a few months

one thing is for sure.
you wont acheive herd immunity and not have restrictions to protect the healthcare
10662  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 03, 2020, 03:27:26 PM
gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling
(ill link the tactic at bottom. spoilers its not about winning at trial its the pre-trial strategy)

firstly. imagine CSW was judged as part of team satoshi
he can then go find anyone that tried to file patents in their name. and sue them
he can do the same at the trademark office too
and then there are the devs and other people involved.

CSW could instantly sue GMax for a whole host of reasons

all CSW would need is a small amount of grace that he has some relevance to the claims he makes to prevent a patent troll case being instantly dismissed.
and then just a story worthy of granting a hearing.

yes some countries have anti-slapp rules (only ~60% of USA does)
but it seems most people dont realise that 'slapp'ing someone is possible

incase people are still unclear of the patent troll game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation
10663  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another stimulus package is coming, where should congress be spending this money on: July 03, 2020, 02:51:58 AM
as for a stimulus package
citizen health and economic wellfare should get the money. and a X month no debt period for businesses. (cancel out any debt from date x-y) that way after relaxation of rules. people/businesses are in the exact same position as they were before X
10664  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another stimulus package is coming, where should congress be spending this money on: July 03, 2020, 02:34:35 AM
the trick here is that stimulus puts money into pockets.
but also create debt. which the government passes off as debt citizens need to repay in higher taxes.

but simultaneously inflation raises the price of bread from $2 to $3
which effectively makes a $2tril debt (2trillion loaves of bread) become only valued at 1.3trillion loaves of bread

if they can stimulate inflation at a controlled pace. they can take 10k loaves of bread off people. each year. and when the treasury debt is finally due later. only need to pay 6.666 loaves of bread to the debtor. and keep the 3.333k bread for themselves.

as for the long term view. if at every 5-10 years the 'living wage' is doubled from say $7.50 to $15 citizens for the first couple years think they are in profit. and happy to spend. and happy to pay tax. then slowly as the inflation out passes the living wage increase many years prior.

the government comes up with new reasons why its the citizens fault.. and then finally maybe increase the living wage again. once all deceptions/delays are used up

just remember what was a living wage of $1 many decades ago and a house was minimum $20k
is a couple years ago $7.50 and a house minimum $140k

yet citizens just get used to it and dont even notice it.
however a government debt of 20bilion back then (20million houses) can now be paid off with only value of
2.6million houses. so by keeping hold of leases of 20mill houses and only having to sell off 'government assets' of 2.6mill houses. they can then keep the 17.33mill houses free and clear pure profit

but the citizens dont gain from this because when they buy a house for $20k decades ago. the banks add interest charges. they also require the house to be maintained, repaired and insured. meaning over many decades the person has paid out probably ~$140k just to keep it livable. and when selling probably only breaks even in value wise. but blindly thinks they have made $120k 'profit'

isnt the inflation game great.... for the government
10665  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your answer for defying the lockdowns and shutdowns, and make some money. on: July 03, 2020, 02:06:44 AM
when you realise that governer, senator, congressmen. can translate to 'management'

and state/'public' can translate to 'gym company'
and citizens/members of public as 'gym members'

you can easily then start to see the power divide between the management and its members
yea some gym rules say once every 4-5 years members can vote in new management to oversee the gym
but then these management then help to create new laws about how the members should treat each other, act responsibility within the gym. and occassionally benefit from using the gym, as well as how the management should react to rule breakers

i know in the gym your a member of, you probably wish to want to cry out about the benefits packages members have. but your forgetting that there are also gym rules and responsibilities that members have to follow too.
yea i  know you think rules dont apply. but you'll find out the hard way when you stop watching youtube and start trying to be the rule breaker you wish to be(but obviously too scared to try yourself)

but i do find it funny how you think if a trainer you have been previously taxed to coach you of the right and wrong way to lift weights tells you how you should be doing something. doesnt automatically mean you then get to charge him for giving that advice/order

i think for your level of intellect. maybe your just about able to understand the gym manager/member analogy. so because real law real politics and real life is too much for you.. try using the gym analogy when you play out your cultish scenarios. and see how it works out

.. you do know the x 'amendments' (means they can change (amend)) are rules those in 'management' get to decide.
cal it the gym members benefits package
its not like they are not editable. because if the only changes were that new 'benefits' can be added on. it would be called the apendments.
amend=edit/change
apend=add-on after

it is only by current management choice that they decide not to change the amendments right now.
you might learn this stuff if you atleast tried.
but hey its basic english in many cases. shame your not ready for that
10666  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: July 03, 2020, 01:57:34 AM
corona outbreak is the virus that is sending people to hospitals sick

badecker you mean the government advised lockdown is the coup
i guess you can tell the difference

oh and now lockdown has eased the cases in your area are rising again.. hmm
i guess your still ignoring the reality of your home state and believing cultish influencers on youtube

i bet 7 years ago you believed their scare that muslim terrorists were in your streets and you had to buy some guns. yet the reality of arizona is that no muslim terrorist attacks occured

next time before auto-believing whats seen in a youtube video or cult website. check out whats happening in your own home state. FOR ONCE
10667  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 03, 2020, 12:26:23 AM
imagine Doomad wanted to claim that he and nutty and pietre wuiile had a secret partnership to develop segwit code. and wanted default judgement of all IP related to segwit code and all assets held on segwit keys.
What it seems like you're missing is that Wright himself claimed many many times that he and Dave partnered to create bitcoin.  He did this because he knows he is obviously technically incompetent and knew that few people would ever be convinced he created bitcoin on his own. By virtually defiling the corpse of his dead acquaintance he hoped to add a little credibility to his scam.
yet my post history actually shows for years i been saying that CSW is incompetent and has scammed and lied and has been defiling the dead corpse of someone he claimed was a friend..
yep even within days of the 'signature proof' in 2016 i been calling out on CSW sh!t


its nutildah and others that think there was actually a bitcoin partnership. (facepalm)
anyway
So a parallel case would be if Doomad claimed he and Pieter created segwit and that Doomad (claimed he) collected a billion dollar payment for this work, and then Pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing) billion. If doomad didn't admit he was lying about the partnership and the money, he might well lose such a case.  But the only consequence is that he'd be ordered to pay Pieter.  It wouldn't let him go on and cause trouble for anyone else.

...
gmax says:
'and pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing billions)

but we all know in this scenario(pandering to nutty delusion) that pieter relative is not simply asking for half a billion.
instead. pieter relative is saying. yes doomad and pieter did create segwit together and we want the court to judge and find the facts to be true that doomad was part of segwits creation. that it was a 50/50 partnership and all IP rights to segwit belong to pieter and doomad

that request does not have the words 'doomad needs to pay me half'
emphasis it does nt request 'gimme some dollar'

pieter relative actual request to the judge. would then actually give doomad some IP rights privilege.
pieter relative is not shouting from the rooftops that doomad had nothing to do with coding segwit

see the game now??


by use of pieter as a dave character. and segwit code as a bitcoin code IP.. i am not infering that dave did code bitcoin. instead a few nutty epeople think dave could have. so playing into their delusion i am simply trying to show whats actually happening by changing character names into faces of people they know well.
to maybe trigger their intelect to start functioining on the details of the request itself
igreyed this out as its not the important point of the TOPIC of the game play happening in court. so by greying it out i hope you have the ethical mind for once to not make it into a knit pick of how the characters involved. and instead concentrate on the GAME PLAY at work to get IP rights



a better example(not pandering to nuttys delusion).. more realistic to reality is if pieter was anonymous and disapeared in 2017 never coming back and it was a troll case of windfury and doomad claiming they wrote segwit.. they are 'pieter' and how windury is asking a judge to judge 'facts to be true' thats windfury and doomad created segwit and everything related to segwit belngs to windfury and doomad
again where the request is to legitimise the windfury/doomad partnership and all 'pieter' IP belong to them

as for the 'prior art' clause
prior art is now saying 'satoshi invented it. full stop (scenario pieter invented it)
but team windfury and doomad want to be proclaimed as being pieter by law. so they can then rampage the community. its not about changing author from 'pieter' to 'windfury/doomad'
its having a judges document that says they are 'pieter' so that they can fight any case under 'pieter' in the future, and gain favour of them cases because 'they are pieter and prior art is owned by pieter

again for the many posts attempt
team windfury is not requesting that he deserves damages in the realm of 50% of all coins on segwit addresses. team windfury is asking the judge to make then 50% partners of 'pieter' and all segwit IP belong to them

do you understand the game now that i have made the characters more understandable to your lil group of similar minded friends
we all know windfury and doomad dont have the skills and history, personailty to have actually coded segwit themselves. we all know they dont deserve or have IP. but the game is not about the coins. its about being proclaimed as the inventors and IP owners of the code/invention
10668  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 02, 2020, 08:03:42 PM
lets word it in some other more certain group scenario

imagine Doomad wanted to claim that he and nutty and pietre wuiile had a secret partnership to develop segwit code.
and wanted default judgement of all IP related to segwit code and all assets held on segwit keys.

a few people will think its about the coins..
but other rational minded folk will see its about patent trolling anyone that has ever used segwit.


to play the foolish 'damages' claim of coins. first needs to establish the partnership and IP rights.
the partnership/IP rights claim is all they actually seek

so you can play all you like about later cases of maybe fights for damages. but as soon as you see the accreditation that the partnership is valid and the IP rights are in play. then you will see the patent trolling
10669  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 02, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
im not the one thats confused on the issue

gmax for once is 90% right with the last post.
however this case is nt about giving IRA 410k coins.
its about declaring the IP of bitcoin as belonging to both IRA and CSW

while you lot cry about the coins. your missing the point about the IP

anyway another example of how some people are not 100% knowing that the trust was all a lie is when certain people say things like nutildah:
the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this.

..
'half of whatever the court finds was developed during their partnership
'likely nothing'
nutty still unsure??

again nutty is thinking the coins will catch him out.. but only after legitimising the IP claim
not realising the legitimising of the partnership. is the game win for CSW, .. oh and for IRA

see its nutty thats confused and things there was a partnership and thinks theres something to find
nutty is the one with the if's and maybe's

it was me that in this topic was pointing out that its not to do with the coins. because the reality is there are none
ira knows this too.
the point is if the 'partnership' is validated. then that validation is then legalised in a dcument that can then be used at a patent office as 'proof' to say CSW was involved. and then the patent trlling begins
again CSW game for last 4 years.

i said my stance so many times. and it has not changed.
but a certain few others love their 'if's and maybes. and hopes IRA gets 410k coins.
a certain few others love their if's and maybes that the court will find something abut the partnership developments.
(facepalm)
10670  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 02, 2020, 06:31:28 PM
Who's behind Calvin Ayre?

reading the ACTUAL DOCUMENTS
there are a couple 'investment guys' names that pop up

what nutildah also does not realise is
1. CSW never invented bitcoin(but nutty thinks he might have(facepalm))
2. that CSW faked making it(but nutty is unsure(facepalm))
3. he scammed the ATO, he scammed calvin, he scammed 'the investment guys'
4. they all know he scammed them. but they are told if they play along they will get rich from the patent trolling and media story revenues in the future

heck even IRA knows he wont see an of the 410k because there is n actual 820k accessible by CSW. never was
IRA can only really feel like making any large income from joining CSW patent troll scam

but hey nutty thinks IRA was related to the real satoshi and ira will be getting paid from a supposed stash of 820k coin(facepalm)

very silly nutty has become.
the games have been clear for 4 years. but nutty is stuck with the maybe's and if's of speculation.
10671  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your answer for defying the lockdowns and shutdowns, and make some money. on: July 02, 2020, 05:51:23 PM
oh no.. badeckers gone back to the full on FREEMAN cult scripts of the
'is it an order, or a request.. if an order ask them for money' (facepalm)

should have seen it coming. funny part is badecker has never made money himself he is just repeating a script he read elsewhere and by default think it works because be has faith in his cultish leaders

what badecker still doesnt realise is you will not make any money following these cultish scripts. you will instead be fined or arrested for different reasons.

this cultish game is not about making money its about getting people in trouble and arrested and taken to court as people facing a guilt charge of the crime.. not as someone wanting to get paid... just so that the trolls/influencers/cults can then say that society is broke because its not doing their view of the law. and so people should join their cult

no one is entitled to invoice the police/government when it comes to the law
people in this cult think its ok to drive a car at 120mph and then invoice the traffic cops if they are being told to drive only below the speed limit.

idiots must really be idiots if they think they can disobey laws and ask for payment for obiding by them.


think about electing a government like deciding which gym coach you want to train you and tell you what exercises you need to do. you elect them as your coach. and as a member of the gym you are taxed to cover the costs of the coaches and also the equipment and facilities you use. and yes the gym has rules. yes you can get some perks and some benefits from the gym. but there are rules and responsibilities that apply too
the gym does not have to pay you when you break the rules and wish for payment just to obey the rules.

so next time you go to the gym. and a gym coach tells you not to do something. try handing them an invoice because they ordered you to stop doing something.
see how stupid you look.

these cultish trolls want people to get into arguments with the cops. they want riots they want disorder. they want people to get sick they want people to get criminal records. all so they can cause a bit of drama. cause the government to step up their involvement. cause the idiots are rampaging the streets to trigger the government to inforce curfews and even tougher laws.. and then the cultish influencer idiots can say 'look i told you government wants to control us'..
reality is the influencers triggered the interventions.. not the government
10672  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 01, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this.

yep i called it. certain idiots actually think CSW&dave actually developed and actually mined in 2009-2010
(facepalm)

now thats what i call ignorant conjecture

yet reality is clear the CSW game of the last 4 years is very publicly known and been played many times. no conjecture. its clear.
i seriously cant believe people actually think CSW&dave actually had some involvement of developing bitcoin.
no wonder he cant understand whats actually been said
10673  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: July 01, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
Learn English.  I'm not saying what you're suggesting is impossible.  It MIGHT turn out to be true.  But there's still a large gulf between MIGHT and REALITY.  You have a really annoying habit of jumping to conclusions.  It makes you look unhinged.  It's why no one takes you seriously.  Stop.

This is clearly a "wait and see" situation, so stop treating it like a foregone conclusion.


and the funny galaxy wide gap that you keep skipping is
the community know its not about money because we all know CSW doesnt have any.

HE DOES NOT HAVE A STASH OF COINS
so while your small minded group think its about ira trying to get 410k
the rest of us smarter people know that there is no 410k coins that ira can/will get

the game at hand is about the intellectual property and the title of being declared bitcoins creator
that is the reality

That is the while scenario that has in this reality been playing out for the last 4 years.
its all about trying to get a judgement that CSW was part of bitcoins creation.
so that he can patent troll the community.

but hey. if you really think that somewhere somehow CSW has got 820k and thats what ira is fighting a share of.. well sucks to be you

the rest of the community figured out that he was a scammer and not the creator and not having any 2009-10 stash within hours of his claims.

are you really that stuck in 2015-16 promo material?? (no need for an answer. your opinions over the last 4 years have shown you still think bitcoin is the same as it was in 2015 and that CSW claimed to be part of the bitcoin creation and you are yet to "wait and see" for the proof and the spending of the coins by the partnership(facepalm))

meanwhile the rest of the community are concentrating on the ramifications of getting judgement in BOTH ira and CSW favour. and then using that judgement to legalise it at the patent/trademark offices. and then go on a patent troll war with all devs and software companies

but you will just think its about ira getting 410k coins(facepalm)

foregone conclusion: no if's no buts no maybes
CSW/dave never mined 'the satoshi stash'
CSW/dave never created bitcoin
ira knows CSW never did. the world outside the courtroom knows

inside the courtroom yea everyone wants to get paid something somewhere
the only way IRA gets paid.
1. as a thankyou bribe from CSW for playing his game
2. for validating the partnership and they both patent troll the community and share the settlements

when both CSW side is saying he was part of bitcoin creation. and ira side is saying CSW was part of the bitcoin creation. but maybe his brother was too
its not a fight over is CSW the bitcoin creator.
its a fight over how much involvement dave had.

IRA has not ever argued or claimed that CSW had no involvement. so that is not one of the claims/charges against CSW

so the two options are:
1. partnership validated by default
2. case dismissed due to lack of evidence CSW was even bitcoins creator
the is no third option where ira changes charges to be that CSW never was/had any assets to share


again IRA is not even proceeding down the path that lack of evidence is proof of no involvement
and again ira is not proceeding down the path that CSW scammed the whole thing. and seeks damages from wasting ira's time of hanging an empty carrot of 410k infront his nose

yes i can see the psychology and hope and if and but and speculation that some small minded people think ira will change paths and just ask for damages for time wasting with the empty carrot on a stick games

but its obvious that ira gets more 'value' by becoming part of a patent troll scheme of being co-owner of bitcoins IP.. or being given a golden handshake for helping to legalise the bitcoin IP into CSW ownership
10674  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HONEYWELL Quantum Computer: what does it mean to BTC on: July 01, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
lol
thats funny
once you realise the stuff of the pico level and then go back to the macro level/micro level you realise whats described in the 'duality' is not accurate. its been simplified into macro-micro observational words

lets just try using 'particle' as compressed wave causing resistance.
and lightwave as uncompressed wave free to flow

the duality experiment you showed is where when light waves are projected through a wall with 2 slits. the light waves before the wall are hundreds of light waves beaming out each at different degrees of 360o from the light source
technically millions of waves each at different 360,000micro degrees...
technically billions of waves each at different 360,000,000nano degrees
technically trillions of waves each at different 360,000,000,000pic degree's
depending on the level/how accurately your able to observe/measure then smaller bits in between

but lets stick with macro (normal human eye 360 level observation)
and when going through the slits 2 beams carry on straight. and the rest dont get through due to the wall

but the waves just a couple micro/nano/pico degree's +/- hit the wall(particle of compressed waves) and the interference resists the light wave and bounces(reflects) the light wave in the opposite direction  than its input angle

so instead of seeing just 2 beams f light going straight through the slot. you see it spread out in multiple angles. because of the effect/interference from the wall edges

but now we are just diverting far off the QC topic.

the while theory is that at macro level of just 360o light your observation would be that only 2 beams of light get through and they continue on in a straight line from source through the slit to the there side.
where as at micro 360,000o there would be some reflection off the edges of the slits

..
at pico level its explaining that the waves of the wall interfere and resist the waves of light
at macro level its saying that 'light bends' and is not acting light a wave in one direction but like a solid coil/spring that can be bent around corners

..
its just explaining at human eye level
'oh my god its magic, light can bend'
vs science
'its about the reflection of light due to the interference from the slits in the wall' and also the interference of the other waves of light

heck even the article you link explains the experiment is about the defraction due to the interference from the grating

what will be mind blowing is when you get to the pico level understanding of everything is a wave or more precisely zillions of waves.
and the makeup/mix and their interference/resistance strengths on each other determine what property it has at the micro/macro scale

and 'splitting an atom' is not a macro illusion of cutting apple in half. but instead resisting the electro/radio/light wavelenths away to get to the gamma waves protected within those other lower wavelength 'shells'(layers)

we could them move into the more detailed positive gamma and negative gamma. but i think we have gone way passed the QC topic
10675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HONEYWELL Quantum Computer: what does it mean to BTC on: July 01, 2020, 07:15:00 AM
hey

i could also beat my chest of how the illusion of a particle at micro-nano level is a physical hard surface piece of dust
i could also beat my chest of how in reality but only visible at the pico level a particle is actually all just waves. creating resistance depending on how compressed they are

imagine zooming it up from the pico level to the macro level to see a particle is like a gas or water.. so lets go with the oceans water. .. its all just flowing interfering with each other and making waves and currents
where when the 'tide' is high at one side of the planet. the 'tide' is low in another side of the planet
its not that one small particle of water on one side of the planet is also on the other side.
its that the fluid motion of one affects the other
that stuff is just simple science now adays

heck they call it 'spooky science' of a high tide at one side is spooky to be a low tide on the other side 'at the same time'
but its not. its just the limitation of accuracy of measuring the wave at the speed of light..
once you realise speed can be faster but not measurable in the gamma range. it starts to make sense
its just too fast to see it happen so call it 'magic' (slight of hand)


anyway back to 'particals'/'electron dots' and free electrons vs electron shells
if you compress the water. and not give them much room to move, the energy of the waves creates resistance and so many waves in such a small area gives the feeling that it is solid because the resistance prevents another wave from passing through it and instead bouncing off it. thus the 'feeling' of solidity

its like making a ice cube by compressing water but even the ice is still waves(at the pico level). just moving slower and less distance and more of them in a confined area to resist other things passing through

so a ice cup can the hold water without the water just flowing through it/mixing with it.
all based on how free the waves get to move and how much space there is to spread or confined within


i understand there are waves all around us and they are all at different wave lengths and amplitudes which make the difference from sound radio electromagnetic light and radiation
i understand all thats stuff.
(heck i was playing with radio frequency crystal diodes in the 90's (CB/ham radio era)) just for fun

anyway if we go with the ice cup holding water image we can go into the whole interferance of the less compressed waves of the water interfering with the compressed waves of the cup. melting the cup.
or the interference of the compressed waves of the cup interfering with the water to slowdown and freeze the water waves. we can go into the details of how light and sound waves can affect the water and the ice.
where say light waves can melt the ice and cause leakage of the water

where by even if you poured in water at 10oc into the icecup. the ice cup would actually reduce the temperature of the water. so when measured. you'd expect 10oc but actually get a lower number due to the cup interference.
or if you used a certain thermometer that was warm. it would heat the water a bit. again affecting the result

it does not mean that the water is actually both at 9oc and 11oc its that you should before measuring it, by doing some theory math. that the water might be between 9-11 but you just dont know until you measure it
but to remember that the measuring device might affect the result too

but all that chest thumping at the pico level that everything is a wave of energy.. just over complexes the 'electron' charge and orbit of the nano scale of QC
10676  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HONEYWELL Quantum Computer: what does it mean to BTC on: June 30, 2020, 07:53:17 PM
ill let you continue to play around with the science lab theory experiments that backdate 100 years
and make things sound over complex about the 'spooky'

meanwhile ill continue on about the practical uses that are actually happening right now
oh and slight spoiler. there is no dead cat in a box

but yea 4 gates measured by the difference of a charge of 1 electron, 5 electrons, 13 electrons, 25 electrons and double checked by a separate electron and measuring a feature abut that

not all QC computer companies follow the same 'lets measure the spin of another electron too'
not all QC computers companies follow the same 1 5,13,25 gaps to avoid interference.
not all QC companies follow the same 31 electron per dot
heck some are avoiding electrons altogether and instead just using photons

but one thing for sure is the 4 gate instead of 2 gate is pretty much a default standard protocol for all companies for atleast the next few years

but i hope this topic has clarified things in normal english.. without jumping back into the realm the mythical buzzwords of the unexplained 'spooky'
because i know a few people like to just use the buzzwords to sound like they know. but not really able to describe it outside the theory. or unable to describe a practical use, thus obviously cant really know what it really means
10677  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: June 30, 2020, 07:13:15 PM
reality THEORY is
1. make a case about coins and IP
2. argue about evidence of coins and IP
3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP
3b. officiate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership
3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can
3d. ruin the community by every means possible

You literally cannot prove that your theory is true.  You are GUESSING that's what the case is about.  All you have are stories of intrigue and no evidence.

The irony that you're commenting on a court case, where things like evidence are actually rather important, is clearly lost on you.

1,2,3a are whats shown in case documents .. heck its in the screen shot your ignorantly cant read. refuse to read.. but its right there

3b 3c 3d are all known things that CSW wants to do once he has a legal proof a patent office and trademark office would accept(his game plane since 2016)

but seems your certain group of friends unable to have a thought outside of your buddy group, fail to even grasp the obvious

weirdest thing is you seem to care more about kissing your buddies ass than you do about bitcoin. yet again

funniest part is how juan is thinking that CSW will get punished after 3a.
thats a win for CSW..

ira is asking for exactly what CSW wants
10678  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: June 30, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
and while certain people keep circling the endless squabble over 'its about the money'

the point is
this case is if a judge makes an order that dave&CSW were the creators
that piece of paper would get taken straight to the patent office and the trademark office and establish CSW as the bitcoin creator
then the patent troll cases will ensue

while certain people on other pages will start saying
'yea but um but um maybe IRA can then go to court to then um maybe um ask for payment'

the game is already over
dave and CSW already achieved their goal

we all know IRA doesnt actually have a legal claim of 50% of coins. because we know CSW never had them.
HE IS NOT NOR EVER WAS SATOSHI

so trying to make it about IRA needs to win to then get paid.. is foolish drama
to hand CSW legal judgement that he created bitcoin.. is not a win for the community.
nor is it actual punishment for CSW

certain people in this tpic are trying to promote the agenda as
1. make a case about coins and IP
2. argue about evidence of coins and IP
3. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP
4. ira then punishes CSW for not paying coins

..
reality is
1. make a case about coins and IP
2. argue about evidence of coins and IP
3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP
3b. ofiiciate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership
3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can
3d. ruin the community by every means possible

i know certain people are iffing and butting and could be and maybe the point 4.. but concentrate on point 3abcd

if all you want is to promote point 4.. ill give you a spoiler ira will never get 410k coin never. impossible
anything in 4 and beyond is just speculation and fantasy.

what the community need to be aware of is points 3b 3c 3d
as thats the more true ending to the story if 3a occurs
10679  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: June 30, 2020, 03:37:56 PM
alot of people have been talking about how sweden has been a success
yet during the May 'oh lok at sweden they can play golf' cases were under 900 a day
first week of june over 1k
last week over 1.5k

swedens case are on the rise.. not falling

if people think that its all over and business as usual. sorry your in for a shock.
cases will rise and restrictions will have to be tightened

they just hope that they can slow the rise long enough to get a good amount of economy flowing for 4-8 months on small relaxations... instead of just 2-3 months on full release/no restriction

its all about trying to get the money circulating back into government treasury.
because the government treasury know if no one spends this year. then no one pays tax when the financial year ends next year. so next year will hurt them.

so they are letting a few more people get sick and ok to let hospitals fill up a bit more. as long as the money flows.
but when numbers get to near the high 90's% of hospital capacity within 2 week estimate. they will have to tighten restrictions again

..
oh and as for government blame.
yea they want to blame the next lockdown on the upcoming autumn/winter weather.
but do expect another tightening of restrictions
10680  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HONEYWELL Quantum Computer: what does it mean to BTC on: June 30, 2020, 03:20:16 PM
'uncertainty' 'probability'
is about accuracy to measure it

its not about it being multiple things at one time
Quantum physics is all about probability density. An electron in a quantum system is not in a definite single position, or even in definite multiple positions, instead it is best defined as a smear of probabilities across a range of positions.

no no no
using your own link of the hydrogen image.
that is not an image of an actual electron being in multiple places..
its a mathematical graph is possible places an electron could be

EG if i said i was on a street in washington
showing a map of washington of all the possible streets im on does not mean im then on all streets, it just shows te probability that im going to be on those streets and not streets of say new york
so on a map of USA washington would be lit up like a christmas tree of white light of all the streets lit up. and then dark map for the rest of america.

what its also saying about the uncertainty is that the microscopic light of the measuring device interferes with a electrons fixed position before the measure and can move it slightly.

again
imagine a volt meter
there is a charge of 0.5v but the volt meter to take a measure requires 0.01v to do is job so a volt meter should read 0.49v to be accurate of how many volts it receives.. but they know the volt meter itself has caused the 0.01 discrepency so they call it 5v.

the image of the HYDOGEN DENSITY PLOTS
is jsut a pre-prepared map of posiblilities.
its not showing actual positions of where an electron is at a single point in time
its showing a map of all the possible roads a electron can move on.. but without knowing all the factors they cant tell where in that map it at any even second
did you even read the wiki
its about difference between classical macro accuracy vs micro accuracy

the myth is that an eelectron is in muliple places at any single time
the reality is that an electron is in a single place at any time. but interference from many things can move it/vary it depending on time and whats interfereing

EG
light from a microscope can charge the particle and shift the electrons a bit. so what your seeing when looking at it is not the position it was before seeing it.

its not that the light freezes it in place in this universe.. where without the light its zippig around different universes.
its that the light can shift it from a previous position. to a new position because of the charge of the light

ok how to word it in a more illustrative way
if you are standing on mainstreet. .. you are not also standing on jersey shore. nor also standing on wimbledon common. you not in some special super position

but under classical mapping all someone knows is your in a city.
now if you send spot of spotters in to look around the city for you. suddenly you will see the energy of a crowd running towards you and if the crowd is charging at you fast enough you will try to run down another street.

atleast try to read the wiki you even linked
here ill save you time

Quote
Wavefunctions of the electron in a hydrogen atom at different energy levels. Quantum mechanics cannot predict the exact location of a particle in space, only the probability of finding it at different locations.[1] The brighter areas represent a higher probability of finding the electron.

its the same as cell phone triangulations. they cannot predict where you will be.. but they can plot/triangulate the area your most likely to be based on the limited info they have got. but then when they do ping your phone to locate you. then they know where you are.

it does not mean your phone is in 100,000 locations in a 10m2 grid between cell towers

..
once they can get more accurate at measuring the things that interfere with the radio waves of cell hone towers. they can then before more accurate as measuring small distances. like locate you within a 2m range instead of a 20 metre range

as for the 'spin' and the 4 gates
now your being a little pedantic.
right now most companies are only trying to handle 4gates.
because accuracy at such a small level is only good for 4 gates reliably..
but yea in the future once they can calculate more intereferences to be more precise then yea maybe they can open up to 8 gates.
but right now its 2gate(binary) 4gate(QC)
.
as for the 'spin' different companies measure different things in different ways.
some measure just charge. some measure just light waves . some measure a combination of both

its like binary
you can measure the wattage to a bulb off or on gives you an answer
you can measure the visual of a bulb. off or on gives you an answer
you can measure both to get a second opinion/double checked answer

or you can measure something else that has 2 options like a electric motor connected to a toilet seat. up is on down is off.

the whole spin thing is not some magic voodoo of an object jumping in and out of different universes at the same time
its that if they charge 4 electrons. they can test those 4 electrons. and then have a separate control electron which should follow a certain magnetic bath based on the effect that the 4 electrons. thus use the spin control electron as the double check/validator

the problem still arises that i they have not accounted or all interfences that spin can be off a little.
which is why they have to keep the dot cold, sound and vibration proof and away from other EM emitting devices. 
have a nice day. its been fun
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