heres the funny part
juan is crying so hard. but has not himself read the actual parts of the latest documents

ill say it one more time.. but please this time let this sink in..
dont just instantly hit the reply button.. but instead
1. go read the document
2. se what it really says. not what a friend of yours told you it says
3. sit back and have a cup of coffee. calm down and let it sink in
4. ask yourself if your about to reply are you going to talk about contents of the documents. or just ignorantly attack franky1. if the latter. dont reply your wasting your time
5. if you havnt read below this point. read it and then have a break and really think of a good reply that is worthy of replying with.
6. and dont be as lame as some of your friends that are so ignorant and avoid researching they just reply 'wrong because franky1' thats no excuse

so anyway
juan pretends that i have not given evidence or pointed out parts..
yet post history shows i have
take the gavin interview. i referenced it i even said about how the first 80 pages are waffle and then how the next 25 pages when it got to the 'proof session' ira's team didnt go into detail. and instead on multiple times .. many more times than questioning the proof session. ira's team kept asking gavin about the partnership

heck i though juan was getting enlightened by asking 'why would iras team question gavin about the partnership' i actually thought juan had the courage to go against the grain of his friends opinion to have an independant mind and actually research what the documents actually say.. seems im wrong about that enlightened moment

anyways
i then referenced IRA's teams latest document requesting that a judge by default finds in favour that the partnership and creation of bitcoin was involving CSW&dave.. and that 820k coins are 'somewhere' and the partnership/trust has that value/ownership

again.. i referenced documents i talked about documents. i actually said what was said in the documents. but ill summerise it just one more time just for juan.. and then give you references again one more time

IRA is saying CSW is not supplying the real evidence of the partnership and so IRA wants the judge now or a jury later to by default judge that there is a partnership. judge that dave and CSW created bitcoin and judge that it has value.

atleast try reading it and stop being a cry baby
so do yourself a big favour. and realise in many posts now i have showed you
and all you wannt do is cry saying i have not showed you
so this time instead of asking me to show you.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND READ THE FRIGGEN document

here.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf

that document has in many different times within it multiples times saying that the plaintiff(IRA) wants the judge to rule that the trust has value and CSW&dave created bitcoin

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now dont bother replying and just read the document

you have no excuses left. just read it
i could show you many other documents that have IRA's team not really caring about the real fact that CSW is a scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin more than 5 years ago.. but instead is pursuing a story that CSW had alots of involvement throughout including creating it.

no where does it say that IRA is calling CSW a fraud in regards to pretending to be satoshi. no where does iras team suggest CSW had nothing to do with bitcoin

so go wake up and realise the game CSW and ira are play together.. but against the community.

if you want to reply. use the documents. not your friends opinion that your following. use the documents and actually read them for what they are

my point is not about my opinion.. but about what is actually wrote in the documents.
try to do the same..

next time you pretend that i havnt provided any references... atleast realise bitcointalk has this thing called post history.. ..
heck i even said it multiple times in this topic and another topic of similar content..
yet weirdly but obviously ignorantly. you skipped it and then pretended it didnt exist because it opposes your friends opinion

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P.S
i still cant beleive after so many days certain people would rather argue on a forum than just do the friggen research and read the documents.. first i thought it was ignorance or lack of ability or lazyness.. now i just think they just want to avoid doing anything that goes against their friends opinion. and instead want to earn merits from their friends by just being argumentative..
they're idiots if that is the case

sleeping in a bed for a week on a vessel. is not seasteading
sleeping a few nights on someone elses vessel does not make you a seasteader
if that vessel was designed for a aerospace/oil rig industry. and you are a guest and your motives are to garner investment and promising people liberties and freedoms and citizenship. but not actually having anything they can actually call their own lifetime home on the sea. and not even in a truly international waters. or even in a new recognised 'civilisation' created by you.. is not the seasteading promise you promote to garner investment

elwars latest project is basically tourist leased "overwater bungalows" just done using resin walls instead of wood
trying to get $10k a week from people.
its that simple

nothing new, nothing not tried before by thousands of others

by the way you can get established ones already for just $1.5k a week. so elwars group has stupidly and greedily outpriced themselves for the market
and he did not even pick up on that hint months ago when i called it out

i feel sorry for the locals in the area he proposes to make they vacation huts in. they want tourism but elwar wants to outprice it for the area and make it imposible for even the locals to afford to buy one and lease out for vacationers. thus he is doing a dis-service to even them, yet promising them soo soo much

because some forms of autism are not detectable by any current diagnostic equipment
EG you cant tell by a blood sample or a DNA test.

instead its diagnosed by a doctor listening to symptoms and observing the patient.
this means its easier to trick and get a diagnoses without needing any physical evidence

some doctors for a price will just make a diagnoses based on payment
some do mis-diagnose but as long as the mis-diagnoses does not cause any health risk/death a doctor would not be liable. and instead just be swept under the rug as just a bad judgement

there are many ailment that are not really measurable by an scan/fluid sample.. and many people take advantage of these. but in many doctors cases. if it doesnt cause any harm. then nothing wrong with making that diagnoses if it appeases the patient

EG declaring a male as female on a re-registered birth certificate. even when all evidence shows they have a bulge in their pants and no high estrogen in their blood. its done because it would cause undue stress if the person is kept being refered to as a male
so ye just saying that by not being diagnosed as female causes you stress and depression and you can be then legally defined as female. no operation or hormone treatment needed

same with autism cases. jsut sayint to certain doctors that not being diagnosed as autism will cause undue stress because other people wont understand why a irrating twit is being an irritating twit
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in this case i think the judge should request an independant doctors diagnoses.
to properly diagnose him as psychotic
because any doctor either IRA or CSW prefered would both say whatever CSW wants. because of the obvious frenemy game at play

in a previous post where i summerised IRA's request for a default judgement it came from
ira's recent filing
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf
you can see it on like page 19&20. but ill quote it here to save time
ira wants the judge to

basically 'first'
1. deem that CSW and dave did have a partnership
2.all bitcoins and altcoins listed by CSW ramain property of the partnership
3. all intellectual property of the partnership remain property of partnership
(basically validate a trust and assert they are satoshi without proof but infer it due to lack of proof(facepalm))
'second'
judge that CSW lack of evidence of
1a) CSW and dave were partners
1b)the activities of the partnership (claim they were satoshi)
1c)there are 820k bitcoins 'somewhere'
must result in
2a) jury to give default verdict that there was a partnership of creating bitcoin
2b) jury to give a verdict that bitcoin and other creations are part of the partnership
2c) jury to give default verdict all coins in CSW fake list then become the partners property

yep no evidence. but just wanting a judge/jury to give a verdict that then makes it 'their property' (facepalm)

no where has IRA's team tried to clam that CSW is a pennyless scammer. they are both playing the same side of trying to get a judges order that flows in favour to making the 'trust a valuable asset based on judges rule. not reality fact. trying to make it that by 'law' craig invented bitcoin. not by reality fact. but by judges rule
and IRA has not made claim that would result in any actual punishment for CSW

time to uncover the myths of quantum

quantum is not some weird SCI-FI extra dimension.
nor is it creating new things.
instead its just measuring the previously before unmeasurable. and being more accurate than previous technology

take for instance the visual spectrum of light. our eyes only see a mixture of a certain amount of the primary colours.. yet we then made tech that measured infrared and ultraviolet and used it for things like night vision goggles and heat detection

thats quantum. where we first thought the only colours were a mix of the primary colours because thats all we seen previously

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now quantum computers. is not 0's and 1's and maybe 0's and maybe 1's.. but instead its the new ability to not measure things in only 2 dimensions of 0 and 1. but more dimensions/steps/variables.
take for instance binary being 0 volts of electric as 0 and 1 volt of electric as 1.
and in the past volt meters found it hard to measure 0.33v or 0.66v so people just stuck with 0 and 1 volt and only 2 measures they can use predictable/comfortably without much error

now imagine we can accurately without error measure the difference between 0v,0.33v,0.66vand 1v meaning now we can have 4 variables per pulse/transister instead of 2.

now instead of jsut yes or no/on off/true false. we can have more expressive choices in 4 options
so instead of single direction stop forward. we can have
stop, left, right forward(3d vectors instead of 2d)
so instead of single options yes or no. we can have
no, sometimes, most times, yes

all of this opens up more options. allowing a base 2 to become base 4
it allows hex to be stored in just 2 'bits' instead of 4 bits
it allows base64 to be stored in 3 'bits' instead of 6 bits
so 8bits can store a numeric of 65536 instead of just 256

its not some sci fi extra dimensional universe. its just standard 'dimensions' of going from 2d to 3d

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now that simple lesson has sunk in
quantum computers wont do much for the efficiency of 256bit hashing.. at most expect 2x efficiency gain.
so dont worry much about anyone making a quantum super computer to out hash the network
the millions of binary based ASICS far far far outpace any quantum systems of any scale for the forseeable future

but the signature process of the eliptic curve is more vector based than binary/hex based and binary computers are not good at these vectors, but quantum is.
however this is not some massive change.
firstly the path of bits a quantum system follows to get to the destination is different then the path a binary system would. so trying to go from a binary problem to a qubit puzzle thenback to a binary solution will not always get the intended binary result

take for instance
needing to get to 256
in binary its answer is 11111111
in quantum(0,1,2,3) it could be
3333 using jsut 4 bits, where if 3 represents 1v in qubit would be 1v in binary thus 1111
thus not the answer a binary system would recognise as 256 but instead as 16
thus a translater that turns each qubit into 2binary bits.
q0=b00
q1=b10
q2=b01
q3=b11
thus reducing the efficiency of the process by having to decompress quantum to binary per try

and keep in mind if it takes a few eons(millions of millions of years) for binary to brute force  bitcoin signature. it will still take thousands of years for quantum.

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in short quantum is not some new magic that jsut uses magic glitter dust to come to an answer
it just is a transister based system using 4 options instead of 2. and requires the system to be kept at a very very low temperature to keep it able to measure the smaller variables inbetween


p.s
those who have read stories that its wormhole tech/alternative universe/different dimension sci-fi.. its not. its just the patent owners are deliberately trying to be deceptive about the meaning of different dimension. to avoid competitors from stealing the real concepts and making better alternatives faster and cheaper before the patent owners get their competitive head start

if you want to avoid the myths.
binary has 2 'gates' quantum has 4 'gates'
(well some researchers are now seeing how practical/possible it would be to measure 8 gates.. but thats for future generations to play with)

hopefully i dumbed things down enough for beginners

here is the thing
the purpose of LN might well seem to be presented as offering fee's of 1 sat per channel hop
but multiple parties involved to multihop. multiply that

so although one node may only make 1 sat per swap.. reality is the distance from the sender to the receiver is like 10 hops away. so the fee for the sender is 10sat

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one group of nodes are already setting themselves up as multiple points along a route
A<>B<>C<>D<>E<>F<>G<>H<>I<>J<>K
imagine it like this A wants to pay K
b will only get 1 sat for his part. C only 1 sat, D only 1 sat and so on
but it cost A 10 sat

now imagine if B D F H J all belonged to one person..
suddenly for that one payment from A-K that one person has earned 5 sats

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next generation of game theory is that the 10 hop route costs A 10sat.. but the guy owning BDFHJ
then offers a route of
A-B-J-k for only 9 sat

so A prefers paying 9 instead of 10. and now the guy owning many chanels gets 9 sat instead of just 5
and making the independant nodes CEGI never get used and end up giving up using LN
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but that was game theory back when the promotional media dribble was promising low sat fee's
with sat fees at 0.1% and most route being multiple hops. that total fee end to end is more than 0.1%
and if channel factories are clever enough they can get multiple 0.1% as shown above

have a nice day
and as for the bugs and flaws. i dont like to teach scammers how to scam. if your not smart enough to work it out you dont deserve it.
the LN devs themselves know of many flaws and yep they themselves have 'lost' funds from it
i say 'lost' because coins do not disapear off the blockchain. but silly bugs and bad rules make silly people give away their LN millsat funds to others. so that when a real bitcoin transaction occurs onchain its not in their favour. due to their silliness. they signed off on a broadcast transaction thats not in their favour due to the silliness of the LN contracts offchain(facepalm)

LN is not a safe network and not a network that should even be considered on the same neighbourhood as bitcoin. it does not deserve the fame/trust that the bitcoin network has

while all you lot cry and squabble over the stupidity of CSW
your not seeing that its IRA that is also playing CSW game. they are frenemies

IRA wants a default judgement that the claims of CSW/dave being satoshi and creating bitcoin and having 820k coins are all true even without evidence.
or it to go to trial for a jury to judge that dave/CSW were behind bitcoin
win win for csw

oh and when two people are playing a friendly game with money involved but want to hide their private wager /pay off for service.. the one side wanting to get paid for playing will just make requests to the referee to demand foul sanctions in the form of payment from the other side

and suddenly the money to cover IRA's costs is legalised

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reality is in a patent troll case that uses similar tactics.. yep its a real thing.
the troll would pay out his friend who's faking opposition.. but to hide it. they try to put it out in the open as a different reason for payment. EG 'court ordered sanctions'

now IRA can get paid from CSW without revealing the game/bribe

IRA's team has never been on the stance that CSW is a pennyless scammer that never had anything to do with bitcoin
IRA is teamCSW but playing frenemy

to save repeating the obvious from similar tpics
IRA's case is not to dismantle CSW and make to clear that CSW is a pennyless scammer and not satoshi
but instead

those that have coins want it to go up
those too scared to buy coins want it to go down

no price no matter what time or reason will ever be a happy price for everyone

nope he didnt register it
anyone can buy domains anonymously

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probably the domain sales service might have a payment record of something like paypal/venmo or even a disposible debit card/virtual visa

i see some flaws in the topic creators thoughts

climate itself does not make the difference if someone is healthy or not
EG someone living in the alaskan ice belt is not at any different risk than someone living on an exotic island

there are many many things that are involved.
climate change might account for some cases of infection. but the reality is the start of school/college years where new people mix with new people actually cross infect alot more than a change in weather

other things like when its cold. not having a warm jacket. or walking in the rain in just a shirt can cause people to get sick. so less about the climate. and more about what that person wears or not wears to maintain a level body stasus
its about your bodies energy. if your body is having to work extra hard one one function its not working as hard on another

its why they say dont eat standing up. dont swim just after food.
if your body is trying to be strong to stand up your body is not digesting the food as well.
if your body is digesting then theres less energy for your muscles to swim

yes temperatures can fluctuate and yes people can change their habits to sustain a body status they are comfortable with. but to blame the climate as the cause of illness is stupid.

many elderly get pneumonia from the low temperatures. not due to the climate as the cause, but as a result of under funded pension making them unable to adequetly heat their house to a nice temperature. and also other od age things like demensia and stuff that makes them unaware of their condition/surroundings to take care of themselves properly

its not as simple as saying there are 3 categories of people that are climate sensitive.
its more about if people can afford a jacket/home heating to survive the winter. or get fresh food during winter
its more about if people to excessive exercise in summer without staying hydrated.

basically its about humans lack of natural self care. or as the topic creator hints at. the human ability to adapt
and like i said its not always biological but economic and social barrier too

see what i mean. instead of opening your mind to the topic .. you went straight to poking at me..
maybe best you put me on ignore. then you might have actual time to actually look at the case from a different prospective.

but hey. IRA's team still trying to get evidence of the 'satoshi partnership' so they are still thinking that there is something

yes we in the community know there is nothing. but IRA is not asking them types of questions or coming to them conclusions.
funny part is while poking at me your not poking at why IRA's team are not asking the obvious questions the community know should be asked. and why ira's team isnt actually coming to the obvious conclusion
so spend your time poking at the case. rather than forum people that have a different stance to you


oh by the way..
did you read it

background (i summarised)
i. CSw acts like an idiot
ii. csw acts like an idiot
iii. csw acts like an idiot
iv. WRIGHT HAS THE ABILITY TO OPEN THE ENCRYPTED FILE,BUT WON’T BECAUSE IT WILL CONTAIN EVIDENCE OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND ITS BITCOIN HOLDINGS
v. csw act like an idiot

argument(summarised)
CSW is hiding the partnership and coins and playing the village idiot, being elusive /obstructing the court procedure

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oh look IRA still thinks that there are coins and there was a partnership. and that was only last month
if IRA thought it all fake and no partnership and no coins.. then point iv wouldnt be a point
why isnt the argument that CSW is a pennyless fraud that he never had any holdings in the first 5 years

hmm?
.
ok try this method of maybe cracking the shell you got stuck in
if you were IRA for the last two years. would you have pursued this exact same path of questioning. and made the same arguments and contained the same background debates.
.
im not asking you to be actually ira. im asking you to be a community member that knows all the real facts.
and then ask yourself why oh why isnt ira asking the real questions that have been obvious and public since atleast 2016

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if idiots are still unsure.. and think IRA's team suddenly had an epiphany in the last 3 weeks that now shows them to not be playing CSW's game

well just within the last couple of days
this is IRA's teams stance
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf
page 13&14 of 39

"Plaintiffs assert that Defendant “knew” that they cannot access the encrypted files without his key slices, which slices Defendant “clearly already has as demonstrated by the (i) spending of over $1,600,000 worth of the allegedly lock up bitcoin and (ii) his comments to [a journalist] that he could ‘have tanked the market anytime in the last 10 years and ran away laughing.’”ECF No. [507]at  13(citation omitted). They claim that Defendant’s “refusal to open the encrypted file strongly suggests he knows that its contents will include partnership records, support the existence
of  a  partnership  between  Wright  and  Dave  Kleiman,  and  that  the  820,200  bitcoin  on  the  CSW Filed  List  (or  other  comparable  amounts)  belong  to  the  partnership,  as  well  asthe  blockchain related intellectual property created before Dave died.” Id"

yep just a couple days ago IRA's team stil think there was a partnership and that there are still 820k coins being hidden by CSW. and yep both sides still trying to say that dave and CSW created bitcoin

have a nice year folks
hope it doesnt take you long to wake up to all this and realise this is a tennis game where both sides are trying hard to prove there is a satoshi stash that is in partnership of dave and csw
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there are other examples where IRA is trying to INFER that there IS a partnership and there are coins being hidden
"They add that the record supports the inference that “true partnership records exist but have not been turned over,” and that Defendant is “withholding authentic evidence of the partnership and attempting to supplant it with his forgeries.” Id."
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basically IRA is arguing that the lack of evidence.. is evidence that there is intellectual property created by dave before death..

sound familiar game to anyone.. isnt that the smell of CSW game

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here ill continue. incase it has not sunk in
this is what IRA's team is requesting as their default judgement
" Plaintiffs  request  the  Court  permit  an  adverse inference instruction as follows: “(1) Wright has committed perjury, produced fabricated evidence, and withheld  relevant  evidence  with  respect  to  whether  (a)  he  and  David  were  partners,  (b)  the activities of their partnership, and (c) the extent of the partnership’s assets; and (2) the jury may, if it so chooses, properly infer from this misconduct that (a) Wright and David entered into a 50/50 partnership  to  develop  blockchain-related  intellectual  property  and  mine  bitcoin,  (b)  any  such intellectual property developed by Wright prior to Dave’s death was property of the partnership, and (c) all bitcoin included in the CSW Filed List is property of the partnership.”

ill summarise
1A) wants judgement that CSW and dave were partners
1B) the activities of the partnership(creating and mining bitcoin)
1C) that the partnership has 820k coins as assets
or
2A) they had a partnership of creating and mining bitcoin
2B) any stuff done before daves death is part of the partnership
2C) all bitcoins in CSW fake list now belong to the partnership


these requested judgements from IRA's team(not CSW) sound very much like CSW's game

so idiots..
can anyone anywhere see any part that shows that IRA is calling CSW a pennyless scammer that never mined nor never created btc

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yes we know he never created it.. but where is IRA pointing out that there was no partnership.. hmm?

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

even very recently ira's team are still trying to get evidence about the 'satoshi partnership'
have a nice year

if they had any thought that absolutely nothing happened between daves and CSW involving bitcoin. then they would not be pursuing that line of investigation and instead filing for other causes.
yet they continue playing the CSW game that there was a partnership and CSW is just being elusive about it

yes we in the community know that its all a fraud and CSW didnt even have anything to do with bitcoin in atleast the first 5 years.. but thats not whats playing out in the case

stop using the mindset of hope that CSW gets caught out in this case and reading into it under that pretense.
instead read it as is. and actually take a step back, remove all bias and actually see things as they are.

too many people have too much emotion when they read things that they concentrate on certain extracts and sway the summary of the extract into one that makes it look like its going to end in CSW fall..
but this is just a tennis game where ira and CSw want to keep the vaguest of hints that there is/was a satoshi partnership.


heres one example where your reading it as if its IRA saying its all a fraud in your tl:dr; summary

the actual wording is that CSW is hinting that he didnt mine them into a trust..
[.. leaving more delay tactics that he minded them elsewhere]
and the response is that it hinders ira from getting evidence of the partnership
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obviously we all know there was no partnership, however ifIRA beleived that there was no partnership. then why are they still suggesting that CSW is obstructing IRA ability to discover the scope/extent of the partnership

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ill word it this way.
imagine me and a friend said that lizard people are amungst us (reality check no they are not) but me and friend keep arguing they do exist but one party refuses to hand over evidence.
if one of us was saying lizard people dont exist. then there would be no need to pursue that line of evidence gathering because they'd know there is no evidence to gather because it never existed.

but by continuing that line. they are not calling it out as a lie. but as a elusiveness of failing to provide proof of lizard people.. which works in CSW favour

1. i read more then you think
and even in the extracts you produce only allude to CSW's frauds of signing notary on behalf of supposedly dave. and other fraudulent documents.
but IRA's team still remain with the mindset that CSW has the satoshi stash of privkeys elsewhere and dave still had some involvement in bitcoins creation 'the satoshi partnership'

2. i never said it was criminal .. its the other idiots that think this case is the nail in the coffin case for CSW. many times i have tried to point out to idiots that nothing good will come from this case. and its all just posturing and social drama trying to win favour of validating the 'satoshi partnership'
because CSW needs to still allude to a fact that some where somehow there 'may' be a large stash of coins. but keep in question who owns it. both to keep his money men interested that there are coins. and keep the ATO off his back by questioning who owns them


3. ira's teams is not now claiming that CSW fraudulently made dave a scape goat of a scam that never had value. but instead craig had a partnership but is refusing to hand over evidence/avoid helping discovery and hiding funds.

4. patent trolls and ambulance chasers dont actually seek a real justice final verdict. they prefer settlements or cases to be dismissed or default judgements that have the slither of vindication that can work in a patent trolls favour for future cases.

this case where both ira and CSW are both trying to validate the trust. by only arguing who's involved where the only debate is CSW lack of handing over evidence. still works in CSW favour.

the next stage is that tulip doesnt exist. but hidden away is the 'stash' and the 'tri party satoshi partnership' is still at play.. as thats the obvious next step for scammer CSW to play to keep his head above water and keep the ATO off his back

but in short yet again ill say it.
this case wont be the final nail in the CSW drama. sorry folks. this is not the final movie. this is the prequal to a whole movie series that wont end in CSW imprisonment the way things are playing out so far

seems a certain few people above cant think for themselves
havnt bothered even reading the filings and jst relying on social drama teams of buddies as their opinion givers.

the only response is to not even bother trying to think for themselves but instead just argue with people that say anything different from their collective.

maybe one day. just once they will break away from their buddy group. maybe just maybe stop just taking the word of their buddies. and instead just have an independant thought for once and fnally go actually read the documents even just for their own personal interest sake.

maybe its cultish mindset. or maybe its just lazy mindedness to just follow their friends blindly.. who knows
but since i first psted my stance. it has been many many many days. and in that time those ignorant people have failed to even look at the documents. and instead took the stance to avoid looking at the documents simply by using me as the reason to avoid actually looking.

i did not write the documents. so its real funny that i should be the reason they avoid looking at them.
even funnier that they fear even the notion that there is a possibility thats outside their friends opinion.
but most funny is that they donot even have the bravery to even want to seek an unbiased/indpendant opinion.

but hey
while discussing this topic of the last many days
ira requested a default judged that would have validated that the tuli trust was a triparty trust between CSW and kleiman.
and wrote it in a way that would have avoided any criminal actions against CSW by keeping it as civil and avoid any trial
(oops.. guess you didnt get that far.. or trying to find stupid ways to make it sound like it is the justice your friends tell you it is)

its real funny. people think this case is a international battle of oppositions. yet reality is its a friendly game of tennis where ira is getting paid to just turn up to the court and play against CSW.

WHY
because CSW and IRA know .. and yes the whole bitcoin community know the tulip trust is empty of value..
but CSW guarantee's he will pay IRA for playing CSW's game of tennis

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now all you silly little people trying to kiss ass with certain influencers. dont even bother replying.. just go read the documents
i promise i did not create them. so just stop using me as the excuse to not read them
go do some unbiased independant thinking

i gave one example before. that there was not much 'questioning about the proof. but alot of questioning about ascertaining the trusts ownership

have a nice year
this case is just empty drama with no nail in CSW coffin

here is just one little tid-bit of thought you really should keep in mind
smart people know there is no tulip trust of value.
so dont in anyway think that this line of questioning of trying to validate the trust one way or the the other will be any justice for anyone

all of this is foolish drama
ira's defense team is not trying to get CSW for being a pennyless scammer.
ira's defense is that the tulip trust has value and CSW owes a 3rd of it to the kleiman estate

.. ira's defense team dont want CSW punished. but instead have the case judged to be finalised that the tulip trust has value and that a sum is owed to kleiman estate

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but thats the whole game
outside the ira/csw game we all know the tulip trust has no value. and no one will get anything from it.

inside the ira/csw game they want a judge to finalise a judgement that the tulip trust has value without hearing true evidence and without causing CSW or ira any hardship via true justice.

the goal is because ira and CSW are actually both playing the same team game. trying to use social media and fake evidence/lack of evidence to try to use as proof of the tulip trust validity.

CSW wants to escape having to be slapped around by australian government in court so wants this drama to continue for many many more months to be out of scope of ATO's civil statute of limitations for an unpaid tax bill.
but also wants the results to be in favour of flimsy BS showing they tulip trust does have 'satoshi stash' coins worth billions

this is not a battle of enemies but a tennis game between friends, with a friendly wager that Ira gets paid just for playing and CSW gets a big win if he can get the umpire of the tennis court game to sway in csw's favour

if you think that this is going to be the case that puts the nail in CSW coffin. then you need to really ask yourself what are the filings/charges that ira's side are trying to persue against CSW.

even if you read ira's filings about the background of the case. it reads as if ira beleives CSW and dave created btc and that its all valid and the only thing in question is why CSW is hiding the funds and not paying them to the kleiman estate

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seems many in this forum do not realise the levels of deception happening in this case and still think that this is the case that will end CSW drama finally.
sorry guys its not
your only seeing a friendly rigged game of tennis. and not a battle of oppositions

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patent trolls use similar tactics all the time
create a flimsy patent that sounds like property that already exists. proclaim it as theirs. try to find an opposition to take it to court. try to get court to win in favour of the patent troll . suddenly the patent/original product is property of the troll.. or the case is just troddled down a lengthy path to delay real justice or to waste peoples time for other reasons.

remember the dream. remember the promise of LN being the route to 'sub penny tx's
well onchain fees are ~$2 each due to dev stfling onchain progress
and a $30 LN is 0.1% - 0.25% = 3-9cents
so not even sub pennies.

remember in 2015 when people were saying their $30  was costing them 10cents onchain and things needed to be done to get it under a penny.
remember the promise of onchain discounts

seems the commercial businesses operating LN and have been pushing for LN for many years now. are already trying hard to get profits. all at the cost of user experience of a financial system that was suppose to break away from the corruption of the commercial fiat system

but hey.
many many people know of all the bugs of LN and are actually making more money by abusing the flaws than they do from operating an ethical business of economic benefit.

the unbanked countries of the world that earn 3-9 cents an hour are already laughing that LN is not fit for them.
long gone has the perception that bitcoin. is for the unbanked. because the commercial businesses stifled bitcoin to promote their LN network as the system for the unbanked. and already before LN is even out of beta testing LN is failing to fulfil that promise

there is a clear difference between seeing beyond the spoonfed opinion presented(me). and following someone else just to make them happy(you)

i do find it funny how you dislike me most because i dont kiss ass and dont toe the party line that certain devs are gods.

meanwhile idiots like doomad wont even bother to even investigate, read documents, question things.
doomad has been shown many times to just blindly go with the flow with an opinion of some influencer/dev simply because of their status and that another person already agree's. its kind of like how cults indocrine people, same psy-ops tactics

many times he has just been a repeater/follower.
i have never really seen doomad have an independant thought. and when asking him to actually look into something he just wants to make personal attacks and excuses of how the personal reason he has against someone is reason enough to not even look into the actual topic. even when the topic was created by someone he is not presently personally attacking.
yep doomad your mindset right now is not to research the tulip trust because 'franky1 wrong'
you have no intention to research it for your own independant opinion because a dev and group of friends you have have handed you the opinion you should have. like other notable topics of the past

and then when someone personal attacks you, you act like a child pretending to be the victim. further distracting from the initial point made, calling in all your buddies to back you up and gang stalk the person who has a difference stance than doomads flock
(awaits windfury to jump into the topic to defend doomad(as usual))

so doomad instead of hitting the reply button to respond to me.
stop right there. dont get tempted. just stop. take a breath

instead just go look at how many paragraphs involved questioning the 'proof session' and how many paragraphs was asking about people involved in the tri-party trust and CSW's 'money guys'

juan kind of had a slight open minded thought to ask the question why would iras defense even ask gavin about the trust. so he seems to be one step ahead. but not yet at the answer

then stick to replying only about the topic of the tulip trust. which is this topic
remember this is a tulip trust topic not a franky1 topic.
stick to talking about those involved with the topic
stop being an idiot trying to poke the bear of personal attacks. and stop then replying when you get attacked that your somehow the victim.

be a grown up. dont reply with personal attacks.

try to use your time to actually look at a topic you decide to read and post in
so making it really clear
this topic is about the tulip trust. so spend time talking about the tulip trust.
any further personal attack is just a waste of your own time and making you look more foolish because your only thought in every topic is to personal attack people that dont follow you and your influencers thoughts.
sorry but we need less sheep and more people to actually use their independant minds
and finally grow up

seems kuffy needs google more then most
""Search Results
Washing raw chicken before cooking it can increase your risk of food poisoning from campylobacter bacteria. Splashing water from washing chicken under a tap can spread the bacteria onto hands, work surfaces, clothing and cooking equipment. ... Campylobacter is the most common cause of food poisoning in the UK."

what i would be more concerned with is that kuffy bought most probably out of date produce. (the price discount seems to suggest that its not within date)

and kuffy should have been more concerned with the possible bacterial risk and possible food poisoning related to out of date produce more than what the packaging says

im guessing kuffy did infact get a bad tummy and then checked the packaging and wants to try making drama that the chicken must have been implanted with some bio hazard at manufacturing as the cause of a bad tummy. rather than actually understand the reality of food hygiene

so if anything. the changes to society is that people dont know basic food hygiene and its now become manufacturers responsibility to inform of common sense things because without people being told common sense stuff. the people would blame the manufacturer for not mothering them

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its like why a nut company making a bag of peanuts has to say 'warning contains nuts' because stupid people would sue the company for any nut allergy reaction if they didnt not stipulate that it contains nuts. even when common sense says so

try to read it.
and take your stupid hat off and put on a hat that says "i dont care about gavins testimony, what tone/line of questioning is iRA's defense side displaying in this document'

as you say instead of going into gavins FACTUAL account of the signing process, they skip alot of things that the community think should have been asked. and instead jump straight to asking about the tri-party trust owners. several times
i do see a glimer of possible awakedness from you because you even asked
'why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? '
so keep that exact mindset you had when you said that, in mind.

again its not one portion of gavins testimony you need to be concentrating on. again for emphasis because after many many posts you seem to remain unsure of the point. its about IRA's defense teams method of questioning that you need to really understand.

i was saying about how ira and CSW are playing a game of trying to keep the trust as valid valued and contracted in reality for a game that is of CSW benefit. i said how ira's defense team were not even trying to deeply explore the possibility that CSW has never had any collateral in a trust(a thing the community want proven) so while you cry like a baby about gavins responses. atleast take another read but from the prospective of the defense teams questioning.

all along ira's defense team have not been seeking to call out CSW as a fraud in terms of never having collateral. but instead subtly trying to validate the collateral and make it just  game of who owns it

but hey.. you can throw your hands around and get angry that im calling this whole case is meaningless drama that wont result in csw demise. and instead just used to delay things so CSW can escape a tax bill and escape his 'money men' from chasing him..
but a real actual court case that will see to CSW demise will have to come from a different case with a different party making a court claim against CSW

by the way. i had read many documents and stuff. i am not as niave as you think but over the years i have noticed how many others 'dont see the need to go through every detail of bullshit'

so pointing out more details would just make them(you) more angry, and just miss the point entirely.. as shown in the last few posts where you keep trying to redirect to to sound like im talking about gavin. when the reality all along is im talking about the defense teams questioning

so instead of arguing with me on a forum. take that spare time and actually look into IRA's defense teams methods. because its clear that some people get too defensive if not spoonfed the answers from a party they like and too defensive if spoonfed too much from a party they dont like..
instead they attack the messenger instead of just reading the message


so the only solution is to do your own friggen research. because your just wasting time trying to get answer from me because you seem to instantly ignore it before exploring it when im the one saying it.
so go check for yourself using the 'critical thinking cap' on iras defense team.
dont go blowing it into drama of gavin or me or others people. concentrate, for once on the defense teams questioning.

just ask your self and keep in mind
couple paragraphs about proof session validity. but dozens upon dozens of pages asking about the trust and its parties involved.
ask yourself what 'evidence' are they trying to achieve. what aspects are they trying to avoid