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1161  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Syok] Ternyata Gambar Candlestick bisa dipesan!? on: July 24, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
Oh bukan gan, candle terbentuk via aktivitas trading, candlenya ya sesuai transaksi yang terjadi, namun yang jadi masalah adalah transaksinya fiktif.
Pemesanan gambar candlestick yang di video itu ya via wash trading bandar/broker.

Nah, kalau misalkan transaksi fiktif ini sering saya temukan mas, tapi fiktifnya ini beda, ini saya temukan di BitMart dan Probit, jadi ceritanya posisi last buy & sell misalnya
SELL: 3
BUY: 3
Karena saya ingin koin saya cepat laku, jadi saya pasang sell 2.9 agar ada bisa segera keangkut. Ternyata, ada transaksi sell yang keangkut di harga 2.8, padahal tidak ada sell order baru selain punya saya di 2.9 itu.

Jika yang mas maksudkan wash trading ini dari orang/kelompok yang memiliki uang banyak untuk meningkatkan volume jual & beli, ini menurut saya istilahnya bukan lagi ngegambar candle, tapi menurut saya itu sama dengan manipulasi harga & volume. seperti yang saya singgung sebelumnya, karena candle tercipta pasca terjadi transaksi. Ya mungkin sudut pandang saya selama ini terlalu sempit, jadi seperti menolak ungkapan neggambar candle.

Terkait grafik yang tercipta, pada aktivitas seperti ini, memang sulit untuk dilihat validitasnya, bahkan BTC pun juga bisa tidak sesuai. karena pada TA itu sifatnya prediktif.
1162  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Syok] Ternyata Gambar Candlestick bisa dipesan!? on: July 22, 2023, 12:38:34 PM
Inject gimana gan? Kan tinggal self-trading pakai beberapa akun aja udah bisa nggambar candle, kalo di kripto sebutan populernya wash trading, dan dilakukan si market sendiri. Ane kira di IDX bukan marketnya pelakunya tapi "bandar."

maksud saya, inject disini adalah membuat program yang mengubah candle baik nambahin value yang digambarkan. Nah kalau misalkan itu dilakukan oleh pemilik exchange, tentu itu bisa masuk akal, karena mereka bisa mengubah programnya. Sedangkan untuk sekarang kita semua menggunakan chart tradingview, dengan karakter candle semua pair dengan perbedaan tidak banyak, jika ada perbedaan candle pada 1 exchange tertentu misal antara BTC/USD di Binance & Okex misalnya, kalau itu banyak mungkin salah satu melakukan manipulasi. Mengingat ada perbedaan harga yang mencolok. Self-trading yang mas sebutkan atau ada bandar ini mungkin broker, itu artinya memang manipulasi harga. karena saya pikir untuk candle, ini akan digambar sesuai trade yang terjadi, kalaupun itu dari hasil trading maka walaupun itu hasil manipulasi (pump terorganisir), itu bukan hasil ngerubah candle tapi ngerubah aktivitas trading.

Tapi asumsi di penerawangan candlestick itu harga market adalah harga yang real, alias harga merefleksikan nilai sesungguhnya si aset, nah kalau ini terjadi manipulasi harga maka asumsi tersebut tidak terpenuhi lalu gugurlah metode penerawangan candlestick, bukan begitu?!

Lalu berbicara tren, kalau trennya ternyata dibuat-buat maka ga valid?!
Contoh paling sering terjadi pada kasus pump, gitu kan ya. tetap saja itu adalah tergambar dari nilai aset secara real sih karena terjadi aktivitas trading dulu, baru candle terbentuk. Akan beda kalau tidak ada aktivitas trading candle terbentuk tiba-tiba tinggi ijo gitu. Valid atau tidak, itu seperti semu mas, dalam melihat candle basicnya adalah prediksi, jika tren itu tidak valid, sama halnya dengan analisa yang juga tidak ada yang valid. Karena memang yang menentukan adalah aktivitas market baik itu real dari trader maupun manipulasi aktivitas jual/beli dari whale broker yang memiliki kekuatan untuk memanipulasi harga, namun tetap harga sekarang adalah harga real.

Jadi, dalam hal ini menurut saya bukan manipulasi candle, tapi manipulasi harga itu sendiri, karena candle terbentuk setelah harga. Pandangan saya begitu sih selama ini mas, silakan dikoreksi kalau salah  Wink
1163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How can I understand meme coin good or bad position? on: July 21, 2023, 02:56:58 PM
OP, there really is no proven way to know the right meme coins to buy. MEXC, CoinTiger, and some other exchanges are always used to pumping most of those meme coins and other Altcoins with fake trading volume. Sometimes, if you buy those Altcoins there, it might just turn your money into nothing before the next day. For me, I think that buying those meme coins is strictly based on luck; perhaps if you buy like six of them, you might get lucky with one or two.

buying memes that are already listed on CEX, mostly after a pump. So when there is a pump on CEX, this becomes fake volume or is controlled by whales on the exchange. When I actively buy meme tokens, I avoid tokens that are already listed on cex, because I'm waiting for correction  moment,when it come, I will start accumulating. not much $1-10. For meme tokens that don't have any live service, I'll cut when it's minus 30%. for purchases, in case it was less than $3 I let whether it will be a jackpot or dead.
1164  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga dan Potensi Altcoin on: July 21, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
Matic ada kabar kalau mereka akan melakukan perubahan ticker dari Matic ke $POL, mirip cocosbcx yang ganti ke combo (koreksi jika saya salah), sepertinya mereka ingin melakukan re-branding untuk menguatkan posisi Polygon. sebagai salah satu jaringan yang menjadi tempat stable, NFT market, gaming saya rasa dengan harga di bawah $1 rasanya masih ada tempat untuk Polygon untuk menembus lebih dari $2. Tapi ini hanya asumsi saja, alasannya karena penggunaan matic di berbagai proyek akan menguatkan ekosistem mereka. ini hanya asumsi pribadi bukan kepastian. NFA/DYOR/DWYOR
1165  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Untuk Newbie] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Invest Di Meme Token on: July 21, 2023, 01:18:30 PM
Meme token di jaringan ETH mulai kembali meningkat, dalam 2 minggu terakhir saya lihat cukup banyak token Meme yang menjadi hot pair. Jika masih ada yang hunting meme, mungkin bisa memantau AMM di ETH, karena sejauh ini hanya di ETH yang aktif. BSC sudah sangat turun hype meme, bahkan yang muncul tidak mengalami kenaikan signifikan seperti yang ada pada jaringan ETH. Tapi, ingat ini adalah metode trading untuk short-terms, karena risiko lossnya jauh lebih besar. Apalagi fee untuk sekali trade di ETH juga cukup mahal, belum tax (jika ada), jadi harus cermat untuk entry.

Misalnya ini, ini sudah sebulan usianya, dan baru pump 2.000% hari ini


https://etherscan.io/token/0x4cd206fc669671b403e8894d5452221998a413a3
Kalau dari holders sih masih sedikit, tapi di social media tidak begitu ramai, takutnya ini pump dilakukan whale saja, selain itu tidak seperti pump pada PEPE & SHIBA yang mengalami kenaikan holders dengan cepat saat terjadi pump
1166  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 21, 2023, 10:46:48 AM
Cruises will be replacing bitmex which is not extending its contract with acmilan. The money raised from a partnership with cruises was not so big but that's really helpful for the club in adding more funds.


This sponsorship deal is estimated to be worth 5 million euros per year (plusmin), it can't help much to buy new players though  Cheesy, but this is still become positive, because despite losing BitMex, Milan got a replacement. If I'm not mistaken, the sponsorship with Emirates & Puma is also almost over. Hopefully they can reach a renewal with higher sponsorship value.
1167  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do anyone have done this? with gambling platforms on: July 21, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
But if your account is clean, the casino will process your withdrawal quickly. But the casino's request to do KYC must be fulfilled first, especially if you win a large amount.

that's right, it seems that for wins under $10K gambler will not be asked to do KYC as long as the account used is not indicated to be committing any kind of fraud. I once withdrew $2K from a gambling website, no need for KYC for any identification, except email and cellphone number. of course $2K is small in other countries, but in Indonesia it is a lot of money. Even the sites accessible from Indonesia, they are not asking any KYC for that.
1168  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 21, 2023, 09:41:42 AM
Of course it will be interesting, but it will not be as prestigious as the Europa League. ideally, the Saudi professional league will be higher than the leagues in Asia with the new arrivals of top European players. the point is, what is Saudi doing in the framework of investment projects and the privatization of sports clubs. from a football point of view, the kingdom wants to promote the development of football in the country. and from the PIF, the point is that the four clubs' acquisitions will open up various commercial opportunities, including investments, partnerships and sponsorships in various sports. to achieve what they planned in the project, they are aware that this project will take time.

but at least, the Saudi Pro League is now known to the world. although not yet on par with the European leagues. IMO, I think what they're doing is just the beginning. maybe, they will do something bigger than that. So, in any case the Saudi League will not be as attractive as the European leagues. in the next 5-10 seasons, this League will further develop. or,..the project they planned failed. to be honest, we don't know for sure. however, it is clear that Saudi trends are currently in full swing.

If for development of football that is currently being carried out by bringing in star players with reasons for investment, I agree with you. Because from the side of the government they provides support to increase tourism to their country to see star players playing there and tours/traveller. I think this support main goal is for the non-sport sector.

I know this does have an impact on Arab football because it is known worldwide, but with a high transfer fee, even though they have a lot of money, I'm afraid it will be a boomerang for the club in the future. Chelsea, being an example when their owners left, they are in serious financial problem at the moment, after having bought a lot of expensive players in the Abramovich era.
1169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is the upcoming LTC halving a market mirage? on: July 20, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
Well, that LTC is not bitcoin, even though LTC will be halving in the near future, but this hype event will not be like what happened to BTC. However, for a trader, maybe they will take advantage of this moment to be used as a fundamental, because there will definitely be an assumption that the LTC halving will affect prices in markets like BTC. I doubt about that will happens.
1170  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 20, 2023, 03:40:39 PM
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will it be a guarantee that the Saudi league will be as interesting as the European ones?
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No its not, Arab League will not be the same as the leagues in Europe, even the Asian champions league will not be like the European champions league. I think the Arab League will only be like MLS which is known also buying players from the European leagues. However, MLS still can't seem special even got several star players.
1171  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: July 20, 2023, 03:24:56 PM
The first time I gambled was playing dice when I was looking for faucets (2016), I never gambled before, but when I got faucets, I collected them and I played dices, I still remember, when I got faucets around 0.000004**/claim, there was no big win from the dices I did, my faucets always ran out. LOL. But I realized, it's just for fun, because I'm too lazy to collect the faucet till meet minimum requirements to be drawn into the exchange. the real fun at the time.
1172  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 20, 2023, 03:12:24 PM
Pulisic has become a profitable player for AC Milan, because his arrival has succeeded in increasing AC Milan's jersey sales. It is even estimated that AC Milan can get big profits in 2023. The following is the data released by sempremilan.com

➤ +266% increase in sales compared to the previous day

➤ American buyers represented 43% of all sales (up from 9%)

➤ 90% of the customised ‘Pulisic’ shirts were sold in the US

➤ Pulisic jerseys represented 45% of all shirts sold since the announcement

Source: https://sempremilan.com/milan-commercial-retail-boom-pulisic-signing

From a business perspective, of course, this is a good thing to improve AC Milan's finances. However, we also need to see if Pulisic can adapt to Pioli's strategy and improve AC Milan's 2023/24 standings too. Well, 5 new players come so far, but some players are under expectations Milan fans, because they are considered below the level they should be brought in. Pioli must prove if this transfer will not disappoint fans.
1173  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Mentalitas yang kuat juga diperlukan dalam trading jangka panjang on: July 20, 2023, 02:32:20 PM
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Berinvestasi di altcoin yang kurang berkualitas, jadi ketika ada penurunan harga pasti akan panik dan menjualnya,
Tapi kalau kita berinvestasi di altcoin yang berkualitas tentu tidak akan panik walaupun ada penurunan harga, karena kita tahu kalau berinvestasi di altcoin berkualitas tentunya walaupun ada penurunan harga tapi kita yakin pasti suatu saat nanti harganya akan kembali naik.

Ketika mental sudah tidak cukup kuat untuk ngehold, tidak peduli apakah pada altcoin yang sudah memiliki volume besar maupun yang baru launching. ketika melihat nilai aset yang turun, pasti akan menciptakan kepanikan pada seseorang, terlebih mereka yang baru terjun. Beda lagi kalau memang tujuannya long-terms, mereka mungkin bisa tenang, tetapi sebagian lagi akan mulai gundah ketika melihat nilai yang sudah turun lebih dari 50%, pada posisi inilah mental akan mulai goyah, walaupun koin yang mereka pegang adalah ETH, BNB atau pun lainnya yang notabene sudah memiliki pasar yang kuat.
1174  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will you cheat in gambling? on: July 19, 2023, 01:48:04 PM
It happens very rare when someone can actually find and report a bug, and I think the rewards for that should be big. In my opinion, it should be like an additional game on the platform: finding and reporting a bug. But again, I think it would be less often than once in a year, if ever, when a bug worth reporting is found.

Front end or UI bugs maybe isn't get a big rewards, if we wants to found a critical bugs we need to be a programmers or like a white hacker. Since our money under casino provider accounts, they are easy to freeze our money if we are take advantages with that bug. Because take edvantage of it was like a cheating activity, I believe we will hard to withdraw our money after it happens..
1175  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 19, 2023, 01:06:11 PM
I don't think this is a big mistake for Napoli, because Spalletti also wanted to leave.

Leaving after winning that trophy is far better than stay with club a few more seasons and failing to get the title. Maybe Spalletti also thought of this, as we know, there are several coaches who take the same way. Zidane for example, he came out as coach of Madrid after get the title, as far as I remember Rijkaard did the same (CMIIW). Of course going after get the champion title will get a positive impression.
1176  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Resiko Kehilangan Key Wallet Bitcoin, Apa solusinya? on: July 19, 2023, 12:41:59 PM
Ane belum berkeluarga, tapi kalau memang hal itu yang bikin agan risih, ya bisa diedukasi saja keluarga/istri agan tentang pergerakan pasar kripto. Apalagi kalau dana yang dipake investasi memang sudah dana yang siap hilang seluruhnya. Ane yakin sebagian besar orang bisa memahami risiko investasi kripto.
Kalau saya memilih untuk memberitahu istri untuk mengetahui wallet saya, saya tidak risih walaupun dia mengecek berapa saldo yang ada, ya sejauh ini tidak rewel sih jarang aneh-aneh, nyuruh jual atau gimana. Tapi memang setiap karakter istri beda-beda ini yang akan memberatkan seseorang untuk percaya pada istri dan memberi tahu wallet+key ke istri.
1177  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Saya ingin tahu cara trading harian di altcoin supaya terus mendapatkan untung on: July 19, 2023, 12:19:38 PM
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mungkin bisa mencoba menganalisa untuk market Kucoin saat pengumuman listing dengan label Primer Coin dan kemungkinan bisa up secara drastis, namun tetap harus siap dengan resiko besar saat tiba  tiba harga turun secara drastis berbanding dengan kenaikannya.

Saya dulu pernah menerapkan ini mas, untuk beberapa koin saya sukses take profit yang cukup baik, 20%+ saat terjadi fomo, namun sebagiannya lagi justru langsung dump setelah beberapa saat saya entry. Ini mungkin bukan metode yang bagus untuk mendapatkan profit harian. Lagi pula, token dan koin tidak akan listing tiap hari, kecuali market yang dipilih adalah AMM. Namun, AMM pun walaupun baru listing juga makin buruk ketika salah entry, rug & scam smart contract menjadi ancaman.
1178  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Syok] Ternyata Gambar Candlestick bisa dipesan!? on: July 18, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
memanipulasi harga, ini bisa dilakukan dengan mudah mas, dan kita sudah biasa melihatnya di kripto. Sedangkan tetnang jasa menggambar candlestik, ini sejatinya sama dengan poin sebelumnya, dimana broker bisa langsung melakukan aktivitas trading dalam jumlah besar untuk menaikkan harga saham. Jadi, lingkupnya sudah seperti manipulasi harga. Sedangkan untuk melakukan "inject" candle, ini tentu harus melakukan hacking pada sistem, tapi saya tidak yakin ini dilakukan dengan mudah.

Terkait menggunakan analisa teknikal atau tidak, menurut saya ini masih bisa dilakukan kok, grafik/chart dapat memudahkan trader untuk melihat posisi tren. Baik itu manipulasi atau real, setidaknya adanya candle, kita bisa menentukan posisi,

CMIIW/IMO
1179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How can I understand meme coin good or bad position? on: July 18, 2023, 04:56:25 PM
Meme coins are pure pump and dump project, so I do hope that you know that it means. If not then you have to research for it and then come back here and. tell if if meme coins is good or bad.

Exactly, analysis to find projects that are truly supported by the community is also difficult. Therefore, it is not recommended for entries with large numbers of money to buy any meme tokens. Because we will enter into a project that is not necessarily going to continue to exist. So keep entry to a minimum until you can see all of this growing or being abandoned by contract creators,.
1180  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 18, 2023, 04:40:28 PM
Of course, the example of PSG showed that for success in football it is not enough to have rich owners and that it is also necessary to have a good development plan and strategy.
If you remember, when the new owners took over Newcastle 2 seasons ago, the club was on the brink of relegation. In just one year, they saved themselves from relegation and entered the Champions League, which is a great success.
This tells me that the new owners of Newcastle know what they are doing and that Newcastle could be a very serious competitor to Manchester City in the future. They have the finances to succeed, they seem to have a good plan and the patience, time and knowledge to implement it.
The time will show.



Yes, if Newcastle also being trained by a coach who has competence and good scouts to bring in quality players, then they can become City's competitors for the EPL title. However, every clubs still needs a process to get to the UCL final. without a coach who knows the UCL and can bring in the right players, Newcastle may find themselves in a tailspin that has already happened
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