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1181  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
No, I'm not asking Theymos to do that. I am asking theymos to make a statement that it is not okay to viciously defame someone on these forums without evidence, then give deeplink, eskimobob, deprived and puppet scammer tags and a 3 week ban for what they did to me, and close this stinking shitball thread once and for all.

I'm not theymos, but no.

Then you're negligent; you are on record issuing decisions that someone will or will not get a scammer tag where your sole concern is that there is no evidence of a victim or any financial damage. Yet here is a case where it is quite clear there is no financial damage and no victim, and you flatly refuse to issue a statement.

Maybe it is not your "job" to review the scam accusation forum, but you are certainly biased to the degree where the only logical conclusion is that you don't want to issue a statement because you know I'm not guilty and don't deserve a scammer tag, but you would rather see me burn. See, everyone knows you think I am a "scummy fuck" because of your out of place troll on the kongzi.ca thread. It is obvious that if you had any proof I was a scammer you would deliciously enjoy giving me the tag. Because you think I am a scummy fuck. So I conclude you are abusing your power as a moderator. That's not right.
1182  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
Turns out there is a special song you need to sing to make usagi finally go away. XD

This thread entered la-la land long ago. So I might as well ask..... what song?
1183  Economy / Securities / Re: Wtf can you do when an operator goes rogue ? on: November 29, 2012, 01:22:24 PM
usagi, were you a partner or shareholder in GLBSE?

No, I was not. I wanted to become a shareholder before GLBSE shut down, though. I was planning on buying shares and holding them in NYAN. It really would have made what I was doing unique. Unfortunately that didn't turn out too well and GLBSE shut down.

The reason I ask is because you seem to have information that was not disclosed to the public. If it was, please post a link. How did you receive this information?

Lol. To your detriment I assure, you really don't respect who you troll nearly enough. No, you are not asking me because I seem to have info. You are asking me because you are digging for troll ammo. So no I do not have any information that was not disclosed to the public. Not sure where you got that idea. GLBSE minutes were posted to Nefario's scam accusation thread.
1184  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 01:09:29 PM

Sorry you feel it implies wrongdoing, it doesn't, but I can understand why you might think that. No I don't see any reason to put the posts back (if that is even possible) although as before I will reiterate a mod is free to release any of the information in any deleted post.

Mods can't see or restore deleted posts, only admins, so basically you are asking theymos to go through, read your entire post history and deleted posts, cherry pick what may or may not be relevant, then restore it? That sure sounds reasonable.

No, I'm not asking Theymos to do that. I am asking theymos to make a statement that it is not okay to viciously defame someone on these forums without evidence, then give deeplink, eskimobob, deprived and puppet scammer tags and a 3 week ban for what they did to me, and close this stinking shitball thread once and for all.

Repentance and others have copies of my contracts. Restoring posts is not relevant. Just ask them to post what they have if you really want to see the contracts. I don't mind. I didn't delete my posts to hide anything material related to the companies. However I feel it is important to note that in a case where all the links are provided to you, you seem to fail to be able to make a decision. So what use would the contracts be to you? Especially in a thread accusing me of manipulating NAV prices and misleading investors?

Look badbear, it's already been shown a dozen times there was no victim and no manipulation. Make a statement regarding the OP and lock the thread. if someone wants to accuse me of something else, let them make a detailed OP outlining what evidence they have. This shit where you and maged allow scam accusation threads to derail and then you make stupid, irresponsible comments is weak. Look at what augustacroppo was able to dig up: There is an obvious co-ordinated, concerted effort to defame me on these forums. If you are not a part of that then do your job as a moderator here. You have commented on quite a number of scam accusation threads here making decisions someone does or does not deserve a scammer tag. Letting this sit for 4 months while you troll my other threads (like calling me a scummy fuck in the kongzi thread -- WOW was that ever out of place and undeserved).... is irresponsible and really, negligent.
1185  Economy / Securities / Re: Wtf can you do when an operator goes rogue ? on: November 29, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
I agreed to the bitcoinglobal bylaws which didnt say anything about being a registered company or approaching a lawyer. As far as Im concerned they ceased to exist and the "partnership" was nullified as soon as Nefario stepped into a lawyers office.

Thats why he has a scammer label. he didnt have permission to even speak to a lawyer in the first place. The correct way to do it would be to dissolve BG before ignoring the contract. Doing the opposite nullified it entirely.

You cant quote the fucking contract at me when its been broken by one party to it.

Oh? That isn't the information I have received. The information I have states that Nefario quite clearly announced the need to discuss things with a lawyer because he had legal advice that running the GLBSE was going to land him in Jail. Oh, and all the other reasons for going legit. Such as the number of companies from the conference that wanted to list, including the "big secret" that Nef said "don't tell". Oh, and the theft/ponzi scheme thing. According to the information I have received, this was all discussed well in advance and you had plenty of time to voice any discontent. You knew it had to be this way for quite a number of reasons. Do not now claim that this was never discussed at a meeting and that Nefario did this against the wishes of the other members. You know full well why he went to a lawyer and you know full well that a majority of the members supported this decision. Legitimizing GLBSE was a pre-announced motion in the minutes and was a major topic of discussion. I cannot believe you would try to lie and twist your way out of that fact.

Shutting down the GLBSE is another matter entirely and I am not talking about that at all. Yes, that was probably a bad move on Nef's part. But that is not what I am talking about. Don't get confused. All of this information is on record. A lot of people have access to this information, so I don't see why you are trying to worm your way out of it by lying.
1186  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 05:23:46 AM
You could learn how to manage other peoples money from Deprived. His asset on litecoinglobal has been operating for months without losing 90% of the NAV.

Yes I went there.

I ran a mining fund which was clearly advertised as such. If you invested in it, and mining crashed, don't blame the messenger.. but you are an idiot. Please look up the term 'sector fund' and stop making yourself look stupid.

Some mining crashed. A competent manager would have seen the scam of mining bonds for what they were. Cognitive, Nasty,BTC-MINING and MOORE never crashed fwiw.

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Time for some teaching on the internet.


 Cheesy

We had the majority of the fund in companies like that. 300 shares of BTC-MINING for example. -- which was like 13% of the fund. As long as the companies we invested in (like BITCOINRS and BAKEWELL for example) don't illegally decide not to pay us or honor the shares, the bitcoins and or shares will be fairly distributed to shareholders. And you have no reason to think they won't -- especially after what I have posted on this thread.
1187  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 02:51:19 AM
You could learn how to manage other peoples money from Deprived. His asset on litecoinglobal has been operating for months without losing 90% of the NAV.

Yes I went there.

I ran a mining fund which was clearly advertised as such. If you invested in it, and mining crashed, don't blame the messenger.. but you are an idiot. Please look up the term 'sector fund' and stop making yourself look stupid.
1188  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 02:40:53 AM
Usual usagi - "it's been discussed to death already".  No - no really.  All you ever say when it comes to any detail of it (like what this "test" was supposed to prove, why shareholders weren't told it was a test etc) is "it's already been dsicussed".  When it hasn't.

Lie much? Nice necroaccount there. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.0



8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1231972#msg1231972
"Nyan cooking the books to cover up an interest-free loan to CPA" - as it hasn't been discussed anywhere (except briefly by me) and just about all the facts in it are already accepted by usagi."
No proof and again, I countered every one of his claims many times.

Did you or did you not commit criminal fraud by maliciously stating I had committed a crime, without any evidence, in order to damage my reputation and defraud investors and potential investors in my company, and me of their business?

Why yes, you did! Can a mod please give this scummy fuck a scammer tag and a 3 week ban? Thanks!
1189  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy on: November 29, 2012, 02:28:09 AM
edit: post #2 updated with augustoccroppo's findings. Interested parties please read the 4-5 pages previous to his post to see what led up to his statement.
1190  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 01:18:55 AM
Do you have evidence that there are no such claims?

Either way it has been argued that this is not relevant to any of the scam accusations. If you don't want to refute those arguments, stop asking the same question.

Dear God.... I know I have a tendency for hyperbole but this has actually become retarded now.

Normally it is logically impossible to prove that something does not exist -- this is actually one of the more well-known logically dishonest arguments because of it's use saying things like "You cannot prove God doesn't exists... therefore he exists." Now, personally, I believe there is a God. But I do not believe that the fact (and yes, it is a fact) that we cannot prove he doesn't exist.. is a logical argument to show he exists.

However in this case yes, we can actually prove that there are no such claims, because I do not have the lists from BMF or CPA.
1191  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 29, 2012, 01:15:14 AM
And you can find the answers in the posts above. If you have no further argument stop asking the same questions over and over again.


Where? Show me a single link for a shareholder claim! Otherwise, you do not have any evidence whatsoever!

This is why I didn't want you to get involved. You are not the first person who has asked for evidence or a victim. BCB did too, as did various people over the last 4-5 months. No evidence exists and no victim.


As far as I can tell:
1.  You don't know who your creditors are.
2.  You don't know who your shareholders are.
3.  You don't know how much value you can get from liquidation.

Given those conditions, you have no idea how much each share of debt is worth, and you have no idea how much each equity share is worth. Paying one creditor or shareholder (or any subset of them) at an assumed valuation is preferential.  It is pretty much the definition, actually.  In the real world it is a crime as described above.

For example. I've already told kjj I know who the major creditors are in this case and have said many times I would be paying everyone what they are owed. I've even outlined it 3 or 4 times.


Usagi doesnt even provide proper profit and loss statements which a company with actual shareholders must provide from time to time. For example how much does CPA or BMF owe in tax ?

He has been paying company tax....right? Usagi doesnt have any company records to produce just a bunch of hot air.

Example. Meaningless accusations. I just happen to live in a particular juristiction and situation where I do not have to pay tax. The government confirmed this with me.


So your assumptions are based on what? Lack of evidence?

Shill. How much is Usagi paying you to pick up the soap ?

Example. No explanation needed.


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An unfair preference (or "voidable preference") is a legal term arising in bankruptcy law where a person or company transfers assets or pays a debt to a creditor shortly before going into bankruptcy, that payment or transfer can be set aside on the application of the liquidator or trustee in bankruptcy as an unfair preference or simply a preference

Usagi did not declared bankruptcy, so your evidence is worthless to support kjj's assertion.

If usagi is unable to provide proper accounting, it is reasonable to assume that he is bankrupt.

Example. "If usagi is unable to provide proper accounting, it is reasonable to assume that he is bankrupt." No, it isn't. Plus, I was never asked for such accounting nor was "proper accounting" ever defined. OTOH, I offered to explain any transactoin in the CSV file quite a few times, so this accusation is made from a position of misinformation and/or non-information. BitcoinOz really doesn't know what he is doing here.


As a CPA shareholder I demand to see the books right now. Consider this a letter of demand and if you havent produced the books in 21 days you will be considered insolvent.

This must have been a joke but it outlines how BitcoinOz and others think. If I do not acquiesce to their demands, what happens? I'm an insolvent scammer. LOL?


Usagi stated that intent himself. It wasnt like some accused him of doing it .

He said he was boxing up assets and paying out one creditor over another. Are you saying usagi was making a false statement.

Example of the kind of illogic that is being passed around. At this point actually it has become a lie to damage an individual (i.e. actual fraud. How ironic.)

I have said many, many times already that I will be paying out to everyone what they are owed. I will NOT be paying everyone at the same time BECAUSE I get the lists and claims out of order. OTOH I already know what the basic percentages are because CPA owned nothing but NYAN and BMF. So there is no problem here.


if the crux of this argument  is that preferential payment in case of a bankrupt company is a fraudulent crime.

Then someone should be working on a scammer tag for bitfloor, correct?

As you are surely aware A., the crux is whether or not I paid someone preferentially, and I did not. --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1365049#msg1365049 I might add to this that posting a wikipedia article on the definition of fraud does not mean I, Usagi, committed fraud.


Usagi is only entitled to his percentage of the equipment not 100%. He cant take the entire amount but has to divide it equally amongst existing shareholders.

He basically stole 30% or whatever percentage of shares he doesnt own.

No, money is fungible. I am not going to sell the single and account for it individually, 50 separate ways. I am going to sell things and pool things and disperse them in chunks because the accounting is easier. Why split up 20 bitcoins AND disperse 400 shares of x AND 500 shares of y AND 2000 shares of z (and so on down the line with 30 other companies) 50 different ways? No. You don't do that. That's not feasible and no one does that. You calculate the value of everything and pay people based on the value, not the actual content. Content means nothing. Only the value. Because money is fungible. Wow, I cannot believe BitcoinOz and others really don't understand this.

It's like chipping in to buy 5 pizzas for an office party and then demanding 2 slices from each pizza or it's fraud. Who friggen cares if you get 6 slices from one and 4 from another and that's it? NOBODY. And that is what is going on here. Someone is whining because I gave 1 slice to an investor who was owed 10 slices. There's plenty of pizza left for everyone.


The major problem with usagi's approach (from a practical as well as a technical point of view) is that there is no guarantee that any other assets of BMF will be realised.

I have already stated 5 or 6 times this will not be a problem because we have around 500 bitcoins worth of provable assets right now. As someone who owns or controls 70% of BMF, taking 5 or 10% of what we are owed in order to pay off company debts is fully within our means. I know for a fact there will be way more money for everyone else in short order as analogized above. So no, this is not a problem.

Repentance said in this post that he had screen caps. Others do too. I don't care if anyone posts the contracts. Go ahead. You definately have my permission to do that. I also expect people to read them if they post them. EskimoBob, Deprived and others have my contracts too. But they won't post them because they know that doing so would undermine their own arguments against me. This particular argument OTOH has nothing to do with a contract. I see that the BMF-CPA contract was posted. Another done-to-death argument that has no place here. It's like the main strategy has become obfuscation and side-stepping.


I remember when usagi had 2 motions on glbse and I giot confused because the one for BMF and the one for CPA had exactly the same wording. In effect there was no separation between the companies. You could say it was just different divisions of the same company.

Never happened with anything material.


It's all the shareholders of BMF (at that time) whose shares should have been worth a lot more had the insurance policy been claimed on.

I gave BMF 100 bitcoins of my own personal money back when the mining crash happened, and the BMF-CPA contract has been discussed to death already. So Deprived is arguing from a position of misinformation or non-information.


When asked about it usagi just ignored all questions for a month or two - calling anyone who asked a troll and claiming it had all been answered before (it hadn't).  Then finally the explanation came out - that it was somehow a test of a new contract: which is plainly bullshit given BMF investors were told they had insurance cover (NOT "here's what a contract would like like IF we had such cover") and paid some premiums.

It's not hard to understand.

Not hard to understand.. just a lie. For example, does anyone really believe I "ignored all questions for a month or two"? Oh come on, people have accused me of trolling my own threads..... no one who has been following this believes I ignored Deprived for a day, let alone two months.
1192  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 28, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
You said what you were doing, namely acting in your capacity of trustee to sell an asset held in trust by you, for the purpose of paying one beneficiary preferentially.  What you said you were doing was the textbook definition of a crime, namely fraud.  It is also an actionable civil matter commonly known as "breach of fiduciary duty by a trustee".

No, I did not say that. I've said over and over that I am paying out claims as I have verified the status of the shareholders. You must have a problem understanding simple English. You keep babbling on about paying people preferentially. There is no preference. This single was sold to pay off a (one) person because it was convenient to do so. I am not going to sell it and disperse the bitcoins evenly among everyone. There is no reason to do that. it is not logical. It's like, if I have 50 shareholders, what is morelogical, give everyone 6 shares of BTC mining and 20 shares of BITCOINRS? Or give some people 12 shares of BTC-MINING and others 40 shares of BITCOINRS? (to make it very simplistic) -- it's easier to give chunks to people that to give everyone a few crumbs from the five pies you have. I'd rather give oe person one reasonable pie slice than fifty crumbs which, when bunched together, equals one pie slice.

You also seem to be under the delusion that I have to pay everyone at exactly the same time. I don't have to do that because there are several lists of shareholders involved. Paying some people first is not giving preference you idiot.. there are no other verified shareholders right now. So sorry no, that is not a crime.

Can you point out ONE... just ONE verified shareholder of BMF or CPA who has not been paid? Bingo. No victim.

Can you show that I have taken more money than should be fairly allocated to me based on the number of shares I owned? No. I haven't even taken 10%. There is no crime here, just a handful of deluded individuals crying wolf.... again.

As soon as the other lists are received I will send off what I can to those other people. No one will get any more or less than what they are owed. See? No preference. Claims get paid out as they come in. Stop being a retard.
1193  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 28, 2012, 04:34:31 PM
Half of the problem here is that I am honest and I like to disclose information. Most people don't bother (and this is probably why).

No, the whole problem is that western jurisprudence has clearly decided how these things are to be done, a set of standards and practices refined over the last two thousand years, but you are ignoring your clearly defined fiduciary obligations and just doing whatever the fuck you want.

No, I'm not.

Just because I sold a single that CPA owned does not mean I am giving preference to myself or to CPA. As soon as the other shareholder lists come in there will be PLENTY of bitcoins and shares to go around. It's like YARR. I will be paying out YARR before I pay out on NYAN or BMF. Do you know why? Hint: It's not because I am committing financial fraud (hint: I am not committing financial fraud). It is because I have proof of who owns those shares.

get it? The thing I need most to move forward on a claim is to know who owns the shares, so that I may begin divvying up the money.

Next time do yourself a favor and don't make baseless accusations or accuse someone of committing a crime without actually understanding what is going on. It makes you look like a retard.
1194  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 28, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
The fact that Usagi evidently deleted hundreds of post would imply wrong doing.  IRL that is call destruction of evidence.  

Usagi,  I would suggest you restore those post or allow admins to restore or release.

In the mean time does anyone have a gpg signed contract that usagi broke or failed to honor.

Does anyone have screen shots or copies of the posts that got deleted.  

Maybe you could get MOE-PR or JoelKatz to argue your case, but with out hard proof I'm not sure what admins can do.



Sorry you feel it implies wrongdoing, it doesn't, but I can understand why you might think that. No I don't see any reason to put the posts back (if that is even possible) although as before I will reiterate a mod is free to release any of the information in any deleted post.

The thing is, BCB, that copies of my contracts still exist on the forum and in other places. This is not actually about what I did. This is about some people's illusion of what is and is not fair. I've been under constant attack for months like this. When the trolls get shot down on one accusation they just fire back with another. It's endless. You're also not the first to try and intervene. Try this game: Ask them to clearly lay out what it is, exactly, that I have done, and provide proof -- any proof whatsoever. This has been asked before, but no proof is ever given. Just the vague assertion that I have done something illegal. For example, Bitcoin Oz's "preferential shares" bullshit, or deeplink repeatedly accusing me of "swindling" people.

based on what evidence? The shit that came out of his ass this morning? Doesn't make sense. The danger is, in not responding, people who should know better start to believe it, and then it snowballs.

Half of the problem here is that I am honest and I like to disclose information. Most people don't bother (and this is probably why).

look around at all the clear cases of scamming. I could name ten names. And yet this particular thread family has remained open for over four months without a statement from a mod. There is no clear evidence. In a normal scam accusation case there is clear evidence provided and a mod makes a statement one way or the other eventually. This case is completely different. The mods are neglegent here. A mod should issue a statement, close this thread and ban those trolls.
1195  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 28, 2012, 02:59:21 PM
Hang on, didn't usagi claim that the reason he was going to use the mining equipment to satisfy a debt he'd personally guaranteed was because he directly and indirectly owned the majority of shares and that if/when other assets became available he'd reduce the amount of his/CPA's claim by the amount already received from the sale of the mining equipment and it would all be a wash (which is still technically the wrong way to do it because if no other assets are realised then he's personally benefited while other shareholders have received nothing).

Is he now claiming that he - personally - holds a secured interest over that equipment and is entitled to the proceeds of the sale of them?  If he actually held a secured interest over the equipment, then the extent of his shareholdings would be irrelevant, so why did he prattle on about his shareholdings being the reason he was entitled to sell the equipment?  He makes this shit up as he goes along.

Yes that is the case and there is no evidence that a "secured note" exists. As a CPA shareholder I certainly didnt sign such a thing that would make usagi have first rights on any assets.



I don't have first right. I already explained to you what is going on. You and kjj and a few others are being assholes. End of story.

What, you want me to explain it again? I will send out the YARR payments when I get the YARR list. Which for example I did. I will send out other payments when I get proof that there is a valid claim on those. You are a very confused individual. You are whining because CPA sold a single it owned -- which it has proof it owned. What, were you a shareholder? Okay, can you prove that? See this is the problem. I didn't pay too much to CPA. I just did somehting which was logical and convenient. There is PLENTY of shares and bitcoins left over for YOU to get paid in proportion. Don't make the foolish mistake of assuming that all of my companies are really one company. Just because I don't have the share list for BMF does not mean I do not know for a fact that 60-70% of the assets were owned by CPA and myself. I don't need to wait for that. So you can just fucking relax.

You really are an asshole.
1196  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Kongzi.ca] - Beta-1 Milestone! on: November 28, 2012, 07:21:23 AM
Announcements:

1. The dictionary suggestion system is up and running. Users can add to the dictionaries now.
2. Multiple choice quizzing is now fully operational.
3. The business development loan offer has been closed for the foreseeable future. We don't need it anymore.

I was very surprised at how easy it was to do the multiple choice quiz considering how long it took me in the Desktop version.

Coming soon:
Multiple choice quizzing in other languages won't choose entries without a definition
Help screens
Intelligent entry system which asks you a question that the dictionary doesn't know (i.e. What is あめ in Korean?) to help fill out the DB
High score lists for multiple choice and other types of quiz
More quiz types
Spaced Repetition Flashcards
School, Course, and Textbook Vocabulary Tracking!
Bunshou Analysis!
And more!

I've also decided to give anyone with a forum account here on bitcointalk a free lifetime membership should they so desire. Just send me a PM telling me your kongzi.ca username! Offer expires December 21st, 2012!
1197  Economy / Securities / Re: NYAN/etc claims thread on: November 28, 2012, 02:08:35 AM
Yeah I filed the claim process on GLBSE , I'm not all that worried about anonymity. We'll know when the Nyan lists hit your desk what's there or missing. I'll wait till you personally have something to work with.

It's nice to see something start to work even if it's a snail pace on nefario's end.

Are most of the holdings of the NYAN class just shutting down or going away? have they moved or migrated to other exchanges? Are you going to keep doing a NYAN style system elsewhere?

NYAN owned most of the active issues on the GLBSE. A lot of people have decided to "go into hiding". What I plan to do is get in contact with as many asset issuers as possible and try to give everyone a balanced mix of BTC, good shares and unclaimable shares.

So like if you had 100 shares of NYAN.B you will likely get something like 30 bitcoins, 30 shares of something good and 30 shares of crap. I really don't know. So far I have access to 300 shares of BTC-MINING which is going to be a saving grace, 2000 shares of BITCOINRS, and a few others. We had something like 35,000 shares of SATOSHIDICE too, 35,000 shares of BITVPS, etc etc.

It may take months but I'm planning to chew through the whole list.
1198  Economy / Securities / Re: Wtf can you do when an operator goes rogue ? on: November 28, 2012, 01:18:30 AM
You were partner, but now you like to call yourself shareholder. How convenient!

I owned bitcoinglobal shares on glbse and went to shareholder meetings. I also own telstra shares in Australia and go to the annual general shareholder meeting. Exactly what different level of liability does that imply Im not aware of ?

You are intentionally misrepresenting the nature of your position as a "shareholder". You were NOT a "shareholder" in that sense, and you KNOW it.

Please allow me to quote from the Bitcoin Global Governing Bylaws:

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Part 4 - Membership
1. A person shall be considered to be a Member if they own at least one share of
BitcoinGlobal.
2. A Member is accorded the following rights, privileges, and obligations;
1. An equal vote in the Voting Process for each share.
2. The right to put forth motions requiring Member votes.
3. The right to second motions put forth by another Member.
4. The obligation to make their best effort to participate in the Voting Process and to
maintain a Forum account for that purpose.
5. The obligation to provide up to date e-mail contact information with the
BitcoinGlobal Secretary.
6. The obligation to keep a GPG key pair, to make the public key available to all
members, and to keep the private key secure.
7. The obligation to verify the public GPG keys of other members and to have the
same done for your own public key.


You were a MEMBER. And as you had voting rights during minutes, this "member" means "member of the board".

That's point one.

Point two is, as a member of the Bitcoin Global board, have you ever agreed to cover up a crime for the purpose of financial gain? Think about that one.
1199  Economy / Securities / Re: Wtf can you do when an operator goes rogue ? on: November 28, 2012, 01:05:08 AM
If CPA is solvent you shouldnt need to sell personal property to cover its loans. It means the company now owes you the money not the person you gave the loan too. Just because you gave the company a loan doesnt remove it from the books.

Im sure you would know this, since you're such a wonderful company director.

Bzzt. I can think of 10 different reasons why I would need to/want to do it this way. You know what? Why don't you make a scam accusation thread against me regarding this?

You know, lay out your case... clearly state what I did as if you know what I did, and see how far it gets? Why not? If I am a scammer and you have proof, the mods usually handle it within a couple days.

Anwyays as I said over in the S.A. forum I'm going to ignore you for a couple days as it's clear you've become unstable. If you make a scam accusation thread tho I'll post in it. Good luck with that. (Oh, and you realize that NOT making such a post will make it look like you have shit for proof and don't have the guts to stand by what you say, right? I'm waiting.)
1200  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. on: November 28, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
I said I would transfer them to "a person " not "people".

 Im not going to transfer them to 50 people or 2 people. YOU can get the shares and do that yourself.

What exactly is the problem here ? Give me a fucking name to send them too.



The problem is you're being a jerk and spreading rumors on the forums that I am a criminal.

I've asked you to stop doing this. I've made that part clear. Other than that I have no intention of watching you flap your lips and be rude to me for, really, nothing.

I seriously don't know why you didn't just discuss what you wanted with me in PM. I've decided to ignore you for a couple of days while I think who to assign the shares to. I might even just claim them myself if liquidating them/distributing them that way is not overly difficult. Again: Not a big deal. I don't know why you ever started posting on this thread. You should probably stop now. And edit my company out of your stupid "unlimited liability" thread. If you really believe assigning 2,000 shares of your company ( And I fucking supported your idea dude ) gives you unlimited liability then you REALLY ARE a jerk.
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