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1181  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) on: November 07, 2014, 04:28:35 AM
Man.

You guys are bitter and grumpy



1182  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Haunted Hashlet Cloud Mining on: November 02, 2014, 04:56:00 AM
I predict that these people a year from now will look back on the GAW hype and feel really foolish that they fell for it.

Already happening....

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
1183  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Haunted Hashlet Cloud Mining on: October 29, 2014, 03:19:30 AM
I have quite the suspicsion you work for Gawminers, but that doesn't effect how truthful your comment was.

Thanks, I guess... But no, I don't work for GAW/ZenCloud.  Cheesy  Just an affiliate link in my sig... just like you.

I'm certainly not "Craig" either.
1184  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Haunted Hashlet Cloud Mining on: October 28, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
I have no doubt they have a massive farm of both scrypt and sha mining. I'm talking more along the lines of their hashpoints which they can manipulate in any way shape or form and won't actually require anything beyond a single CPU to mine for everyone. They basically created a fiat coupon system on top of the fiat dollar and it goes against what anyone invested in crypto should be about.

The hashpoints are a temporary reprieve for the low payouts, low BTC/USD exchange rate, and the maintenance fees.  You don't have to mine hashpoints at all if you don't want to.  Or you can get USD equivalent to use for other things in the future.  It's a way to hedge against even lower BTC/USD exchange rate, lower payouts, difficulty increases, etc.


But hints have been dropped about a new coin and that hashpoints can be used in the ICO.  Whether that is a good strategy to point your hashlets to the hashpoints pool or not... that is up to you.


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Valuing certain "miners" or "shares" in hash power above other shares should also be a concern. The haunted hashlets, vegas hashlets, etc. It's like saying the first bitcoin that Satoshi mined is more valuable than the one that was just mined. It's all hype and ignorance. Yes, some people are going to make a lot of money doing this, but most people probably will not.

Some people are collectors... Why not cater to their interests?  It doesn't affect bitcoin in any way.
1185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Am I missing something? (or is BTC destined for greatness and soon) on: October 27, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
All signs point to Bitcoin being a big game changer. Its not a matter of if , but when.

What signs?
1186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's First Killer App -- what will it be? on: October 27, 2014, 09:25:27 PM
The "iPhone Money Miner" - Use your iPhone to generate free money!  Yes, you really did read that correctly.  As smart phones continue to get more and more powerful, why not use this power to put it to work for you!  Even with your phone on standby, it can be working on complex math problems in the background.  These math problems are the lifeblood of so-called "crypto-currencies", and they need machines to do these math problems.  They need so many machines to do them, that they are willing to pay you for your time!*

* Disclaimer: data rates apply, battery life may decrease, but you get paid to do this while walking around the mall!

Now available in the app store... only $0.99
1187  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Genesis-Mining Review on: October 23, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Day 39 comparison of payments with Genesis Mining and GAW Miners Hashlets.
http://youtu.be/9Erlsr_Uj-c

So Ian,

I appreciate the comparison you are doing... but are these two small accounts all that you have?  Do you have a separate set of accounts at Genesis or Zen that you actually put more investment into?
1188  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Limited hashing power to eliminate industrial mining. on: October 23, 2014, 10:18:41 PM
The Core Devs could release a Bitcoin Core that utilised CPU only cryptography ... it would put Bitcoin mining back into the hands of the little guy.

That will never happen, and even if it did, it still wouldn't fix anything. Rather than warehouses full of ASIC miners, you would see warehouses full of CPU miners.

But at least the CPUs are useful after the difficulty gets to high.  With ASICs... what can you do with them when their profitable life has expired?
1189  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why cloud mining is a zero sum game on: October 23, 2014, 03:08:04 PM

I agree that the future of mining lies in the "cloud". But I have a question. I purchased a 250GH miner with GAW Miners and I want to know if this was a smart move.

Why wouldn't it be?  You get a year of free hosting at GAW/Zen for your hardware miner, and if you haven't ROI'ed in a year, you can just convert it to Hashlets and start paying "rent".  Profit!
1190  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud mining / contracts - share your experience on: October 21, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
I'd just like to add to this thread with Hashie. We're a new cloud mining service, and we're selling Bitcoin (SHA256) miners from $4.51 per GH. That's some of the lowest rates in the industry.

-Sahra

I think you missed something there.  It's $4.51 per 10 GH/s.  Otherwise... at $4.51 per 1 GH/s would be a terrible rate.


So I can buy the equivalent of an Antminer S1 (180GH/s) for $81.18?

How is this a good deal?

1191  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 1 possibility for whats next on: October 21, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
So you are telling me my next CPU will be made out of charcoal?

1192  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: A few newbish questions on: October 21, 2014, 09:33:25 PM
You are probably better off going to a cloud mining setup.  You can purchase actual hardware at GAW miners (see link in my signature), and they will host it for you.  Or you can buy their Hashlets.

Lastly, you can buy contracts from other cloud mining outfits, but most will never ROI.

1193  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Betrayal of the ASIC manufacturers on: October 15, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
What happens when one company controls 100% of the Bitcoins mined?  Let's say it happens?  One of two things:  either they can wreck the entire system by messing with the blockchain (unlikely unless they are crazy), or, 'raise prices' by controlling the supply of bitcoins, the same way DeBeers controls (or tries to, and they've done a pretty good job the last few decades or more) the price of diamonds, to extract monopoly profits.  This is Econ101, not controversial.  Some would say monopoly profits will encourage other mining pools to enter, and that's the way it works in theory, but sometimes, due to technological constraints (let's say Discus Fish invents some super-duper ASIC that's 1M times better than everybody else's and threatens to flood the market if any other big miner enters the market and this is known to everybody, etc etc), other firms cannot enter quickly enough, so either the monopolist will get monopoly profits for a long time (DeBeers, maybe OPEC), or, the government steps in and busts them up.

In order to perpetuate the monopoly, Discus Fish would have to hard-code the 1M times better ASIC miner to only mine on Discus Fish's pool.  Software can be cracked.  Cheesy

1194  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Your opinion: Is mining still profitable? on: October 13, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
Buying the coin is better than mine it, I learned my lesson, I'll never make my ROI
What do you tell all those people who bought coin at $600?  When will they "ROI"?

If, at the time, buying at 600$ was cheaper than mining, then those people are still better off today than those who mined coins at a cost higher than 600$.

I'm sorry... but this is math-FUD.
1195  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Your opinion: Is mining still profitable? on: October 12, 2014, 08:17:23 AM
Buying the coin is better than mine it, I learned my lesson, I'll never make my ROI

What do you tell all those people who bought coin at $600?  When will they "ROI"?

1196  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: GAW Miners on: October 12, 2014, 08:13:25 AM
you are correct, although gaw is more eficient than doing it at home, ie it costs them less, yet they charge 10 times the cost of doing at home. and again i dont know why you would irrationally justify that, other than you are a paid lacky of gaw or bought into their brainwashing forum where all info is white washed. it wasn't stupid to buy from gaw if they honored there product release info and reduced costs so that the most paid for maintenance was the release date itself and things only got better from there. but they are taking over 10% which is theft.. things got so bad they took 100% of payouts(hashers got 0 btc)..FLAWED FLAWED FLAWED. THATS THEFT... there obviously should be entire threads on profits in there forum with calculations, the only reason not to would be  a dishonest reason. and the declining hosting fees should be extremely transparent, certainly not up even with conversions. and not over 0.013 or 10%. if they cant do business without taking hashing profits then they shouldn't have pretended to be in the business of doing that.

What's with all the hate marthelo?

1197  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: GAW Miners on: October 11, 2014, 03:15:40 AM
that is bs. you dont pay salaries out of peoples mining. 28nm chips making 120mh would be about 400 watts at the wall without the added benefit of running professional grade power supplies and using efficiency measures, tax breaks,hi use contracts. at 0.10 per kwh that is $28 a month... 120 * 0.08*30days= 288 dollars.so 288-28=260 that is proportional regardless of the mh you are using... so they would be taking $260 a month(just dollars for u people who kept talking dollars)..SORRY THAT IS THEFT. stay away from gaw till they have open fair discussions  , NEVER NEVER NEVER, is that ok. u guys are fake positive trolling. i am not trolling i am saying those calculations are not permitted on their forum-BECAUSE THEY ARE REAL.  after electric for something that just sits and runs u shouldn't have to pay gaw (13*20=260) 13 brand new hashlets a month to take care of your hosting. for this calculation i would say $20 is more than generous.  so $48 a month for for 120mh would be appropriate which would be 0.013 cents per day per mh... way fare..they get maintenance  covered (still pocket a little ie maintenance) and people who hear 8cents and dont do the math are not taken advantage of and gaw still rakes it in

What's so hard to understand that ZenCloud is a business?  They have to pay people's salaries, they have to pay for their rent, they have to pay for equipment, they have to pay for a lawyer, an accountant, a phone line, webhosting, and they have to pay for thousands of little things that business requires.  They never said it's only for electricity.

1198  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Genesis-Mining Review on: October 09, 2014, 04:33:28 PM
Two stupid newbie questions,

Question 1. If you hoard the coins, received from the cloud mining, until the price of bitcoin increase, would you ROI?

Yes.  The length of time to ROI depends on the cost of the miner and payouts.


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Question 2. I want to buy into cloud mining, but I do not want to switch pools to get the best results. I want it automated, to  mine for me, and preferably mining for BTC.

I have bought some GHs with CEX/Ghash and they mine whatever they feel like, and when they mine Alt, they take maintenance fees in BTC, and this eats up any profits made from mining Alt coins.

When they mine BTC, and take maintenance in BTC it break equal or I profit a bit.

What option is best suited to me, where I am handsoff, but still in a position to ROI?

I have a 10 hour day at work, so I do not have time to switch pools for best results. 

Best return right now is the Zen Hashlet from ZenCloud/GAW.  It's basically set it and let it run.  It cannot change pools, but returns much better than other pools.
1199  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: BTCJam forum name verification on: October 09, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
'I want to link my Bitcointalk name with BTCJam's. Verification code: 5793bdbe-c695-4c53-8144-f340b425073c'
1200  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Minning is wasting money, why still minners? on: October 09, 2014, 03:19:42 AM
I'll do what I want!!!!

4 S1's and 2 S3's, wont' turn off.. let them run until failure.
Ha ha 2 s1's undervolted and a technobit M4 with an s3 on the way! I rather mine then buy all day, I second guess myself when buying and i LOVE mining. (You pay for entertainment anyways, Mining is my entertainment!)

Mining is entertainment? First time I heard that but enjoy Smiley

Hobby?  Sure.  Entertainment?  Well, I guess.
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