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661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Docker mining? on: September 20, 2017, 04:40:05 AM
Yes, servethehome.com has whole series on how to setup docker to mine for Monero.  Obviously, mining Monero on server CPUs, but it works.  I tried it for a little while earlier this year.  They also have a guide on using nvidia GPUs in docker to mine Monero.  I still have the VMs laying dormant on my vmware cluster.

Check it out:

https://www.servethehome.com/?s=monero
662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Awesome Miner]- Powerful Windows GUI to manage and monitor up to 5000 miners on: September 20, 2017, 04:25:06 AM
When trying to do profit mining It is always mining lbry and I dont know why as thats not the most profitable. I set it up for zpool and also did bench marking. Could you help me with this?

Which profit mining services do you have enabled?  (Nicehash, zpool, Miningpoolhub, Miningrigrentals, or custom pool groups?)

There are two methods that AM uses to determine profitability... on the Coins tab, this is the whattomine.com list of profitability based on your benchmarked hashing rates.  Those rates need to be set in a profit profile, and applied to your profit switching miner.  If you aren't mining pools directly, then using the Coins tab to determine "what is most profitable" will not always be correct.

The second method is if you have Nicehash, zpool, miningpoolhub and miningrigrentals enabled in profit switching, then AM will also use those services (profit can be found on the Online Services tab) in addition to the Coins tab to determine which is the most profitable.

If Zpool says mining lbry is more profitable on it's service (Online Services tab) than what you see on whattomine.com (Coins tab) then AM will use Zpool's profit information and point your rigs to it.

That makes sense thank you so much. So basically If I wanted to use the coins tab I would need to have separate pools for all the different coins and separate wallets? What is typically the best to do for most profit? Im using zpool now but is there possibly a better pool or method?

Yes, if you want to use the coins tab, you would put your individual pools in a Pool Group, and then select the Pool Group on the Profit Switching tab after checking the Custom Pools option.  As for separate wallets, it really depends on the pool.  Some pools require you to mine to an external wallet, and many times you can just use an exchange wallet.  Then some pools, like say Suprnova.cc, collect the coins for you until you are ready to cash out to an external wallet or exchange.

What is best to do for most profit?  That really depends on your priorities.  If you want to exchange for BTC right away, then using Nicehash, zpool, or MPH with the auto convert turned on will just go ahead and convert your mined alt coins to BTC or another coin of your choosing.  It's my personal belief that you will not get the "most profit" doing it this way unless you have a ton of hashrate, and even then, I've written reasons why you may still miss out on the "most profit" earlier in this thread.  You don't have to convert just to BTC, you can do other coins.
 In MPH, you have to tell it what to convert to on the website, and zpool you have to use the -p coin=XXX custom command line option.  You'd have to apply this at the Managed Software options, but it could do funny things if you switch between different Online Services... so it's probably best to stick with conversion to BTC at zpool, but it's doable with Awesome Miner.

If you are not interested in converting directly to BTC right away, you can use MPH and leave the auto convert turned off on their website.  This way you will accumulate a lot of interesting coins that are the "most profitable" from time to time.  If you keep feeding those coins to an exchange like Bittrex, they have an instant sell feature in their Labs section where you can probably sell for slightly more profit than letting MPH do it for you.  The reason being is that MPH waits until you and the pool has enough coins to send to an exchange, where you have no control over the timing, and the exchange may not be as favorable as you automating it going to an exchange and letting the exchange do it for you.

And lastly, you could just mine at MPH or a custom Pool Group and just accumulate interesting coins that are the "most profitable" from time to time, and then exchange them whenever you want.  If you like to "hold" coins, this is the best way.  For instance, DGB could be "most profitable" for about 30 minutes, and then it may not be again for hours or days.  But you will have DGB that you can play with at the exchanges to setup sell orders at the profit level you want.  If DGB hits that level again you already have the sell order waiting at the exchange.  If it doesn't... well you are holding and then a week, month, or years later decide what to do with those coins.

663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Lan cable? on: September 18, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Unless you are running long distances (we are talking about 100-200 feet) it usually doesn't matter.  But, I would suggest Cat 5e minimum these days.
664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Baikal Giant X10 on: September 18, 2017, 07:42:37 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster! (Be gentle)

Sent an email to Baikal about the x10 only having 3x 6-pin connectors and pulling 800W. Got a replay saying "you will need total six 6 Pin connectors to power one Giant X10".

Still not sure this is going to be enough connectors since each 6-pin is only rated at 75W. Anyone have experience with pulling more than 75W per connector? Undecided



6 pin PCIe connectors can carry more than 75 watts.  18 gauge wire can theoretically carry up 10 amps each. There are 3 leads that are +12V on the 6 pin PCIe connector... so theoretically 12V x 10A x 3 feeds = 360 watts.

No manufacturer uses that maximum though, but that gives you an idea of what is possible.
665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Denarius [DNR] - NEW "Tribus" PoW Algo >> PoW/PoS Hybrid >> Satoshi Core on: September 18, 2017, 05:28:48 AM
Hi, do I need to have some settings done or my out of the box wallet is ready to stake my coins?
And is it better to have all balances on just one wallet or have in different wallet for POS?

Yes Denarius should work out of the box for staking, all you have to do is send coins to your wallet, the coins have to mature for a minimum of 8 hours before they start staking, you must leave your wallet unlocked and online to stake.

I would recommend trying to keep it in one wallet for maximum staking.

I have a question Kingcarsen...  are you staking your pre-mined coins?
666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 18, 2017, 04:11:37 AM
This is a valid hypothetical scenario... but only one of a thousand different hypothetical scenarios.  What happens if you buy a coin, and it never goes back to the price that you bought it for?

Then you are in the same boat as the hypothetical miner above who invested $2400 to mine the same coin, however by holding a coin you can cut your losses a lot quicker than a miner can.

That's not the scenario for miners at all.  Miners don't have a price point for the coin to wait for... they can either dump for profits now, to offset their capital investment, or hold and wait for higher prices at any time.  At no time does a miner operate at a "loss" except when electricity costs more than the revenue the mining is bringing in.


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I am not against mining or am I against trading as I do both. However, there is a time to do one or the other and getting into mining right now just isn't a good investment. Early this year it was a good investment, simply because the run-up in prices in virtual every coin. So now we have this big group of people who either bought a bunch of mining gear and got rich, who maybe held a lot of coins (almost anything) and became rich, and those who first invested into cryptocurrency (again almost anything) and become rich. So most of the people we see posting really never went through the bad times, they have only seen good times where almost any decision right or wrong has paid off since everything has went up so dramatically.

This is very true.  I think Alan Greenspan called it "irrational exuberance" prior to the markets crashing in 2008.



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So now myself and a few others try to inject some reason into to all these "you can't lose money" type of posts but are just meant with ridicule and disdain. Yeah, everyone wants to party to keep going and easy money to keep flowing in, but at some point you really need to sit down, do the calculations, the real ones and not rosy "if the price shoots up I will be golden" type ones, and come to your own conclusions. Markets do have boom and bust cycles and mining follows along with that but also has unique dynamics all its own.

And I agree with a little bit of sanity checking... my only disagreement is when people say just buying the coin is a better way, and they don't take the full life cycle of a miner into account when trying to show the calculations.  Ignoring resale of equipment is not painting the correct picture between mining versus just buying a coin.


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As I type this the mining difficulty for most popular coins continues to rise even with the recent downtrend in price. This means even if prices recover, the amount of coins a given hash-rate can produce will be less than it was in the past. So prices not only need to recover, they need to go up enough to offset the increase in difficulty that has occurred in the meantime. This would mean Ethereum would probably need to hit $500-$600 to even remotely return to recent mining profitability numbers. So eventually one way or another the mining glory days will come to a halt, either by a sustained market downtrend or after a complete saturation of network hash-rate.

People have been saying this about Bitcoin for years now, but people still mine it for a profit.  Granted, the barrier to entry is a lot higher now, as you have to continuously purchase better and better ASICs.  But, as long as there are PoW coins, there will be miners.
667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 11:37:12 PM
...and you guys are not even taking into account that there will be GTX 11 generation next year. This will kill resell value and make your hashrate not competitive against GDDR6 etc.

Most trolls think about now, reason you see many saying "my 1080 ti is awesome, i got my roi already!", all lies, that is what they do, brag lies, the only ones who got the roi many times were the traders. ETH before the pump was $7, 90% of miners sold at that price, 5% sold at $14, 3% sold at $28, 1% sold at $100, 0.01% sold at $400, see there you go hehe, traders got more than 2000%, miners got at most 120% if they come from the beginning which is march last year, new miners that started on april did not even get 30% of their roi hehe but they will tell you they did hehe

This is also disingenuous.  Traders also bought and sold at those price milestones as well.  Very few people actually bought in at $7 or less and held for long term.
668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 11:35:16 PM
...and you guys are not even taking into account that there will be GTX 11 generation next year. This will kill resell value and make your hashrate not competitive against GDDR6 etc.

Gamers will still buy GTX 10 cards.  The market will determine their value on the secondary market, and that price will fluctuate depending on how many miners are dumping to upgrade or to get out of mining completely.  Heck, gamers are still buying GTX 900 cards if the price is right, and they are up to 2 years old at this point.
669  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
I don't disagree with the warnings for newer miners, but I disagree with the calculations people provide in those arguments.  The disagreement comes from the advice that buying a coin is a better prospect than mining a coin, and not taking into account at least *some* capital recovery when selling the GPUs, and motherboards on the secondary market.  Those proceeds from selling old GPUs will either bolster overall profits when the miner quits, or will go towards upgrading to more powerful/efficient equipment.

I do agree that new miners thinking they will recoup their capital investment costs (not ROI) in less than 6 months are gone for now.  They must be prepared to stick it out for a year or more at this point... and no one knows what the future will bring.

But how about if in one year there in no longer any mining profit? Past ROIs of 3-4 months were not only fantastic opportunities, but they were also short enough to at least have some semblance of what the actual ROI period would be in real life. Even with a fudge factor built in to the predictions an extra month or two would not materially affect the miner's long-term plans.

But now that we are entering the phase of 12 month+ ROI forecasts, with some as long as 18 months to 2 years, even the calculations comes into question as there is no reliable way to predict that far out. So even if I am fine with spending $2400 today on a 6x RX580 rig that gets 180 Mhash/sec and nets (after electric) $5 a day, I do the math and say well 480 days is not so bad. There is no way that calculation is going to hold up for a 480 days period. Next month profit will most likely be down to $4 day, the month after maybe $3 a day, by the end of the year maybe it is $2/day.

So we have the following hypothetical example:
September - $5/day * 30 = $150 (I use the whole month to make it easier)
October - $4/day * 31 = $124
November - $3/day * 30 = $90
December - $2/day * 31 = $64

So a new miner who just invested $2400 in hardware might make $428 of that back by year's end.

So using your capital recovery argument, they see reason at that time and then liquidate their hardware assets. Well by then the GPU craze will be over and retail prices will be back to MSRP or even at a slight discount due to the (now flooding) used market. So that $2400 in hardware might only get $1200. But even if we are generous and say it is still worth $1600 used, we can add to it the $428 in profit and the investor only has $2028 to show for his $2400 investment, or a $372 loss, not counting the time and effort.

And yes, a massive increase in coin prices would push off the inevitable day of reckoning a little bit longer, but then we get back to the "better off to buy the coin directly" argument you do despise.


This is a valid hypothetical scenario... but only one of a thousand different hypothetical scenarios.  What happens if you buy a coin, and it never goes back to the price that you bought it for?
670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Awesome Miner]- Powerful Windows GUI to manage and monitor up to 5000 miners on: September 17, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
When trying to do profit mining It is always mining lbry and I dont know why as thats not the most profitable. I set it up for zpool and also did bench marking. Could you help me with this?

Which profit mining services do you have enabled?  (Nicehash, zpool, Miningpoolhub, Miningrigrentals, or custom pool groups?)

There are two methods that AM uses to determine profitability... on the Coins tab, this is the whattomine.com list of profitability based on your benchmarked hashing rates.  Those rates need to be set in a profit profile, and applied to your profit switching miner.  If you aren't mining pools directly, then using the Coins tab to determine "what is most profitable" will not always be correct.

The second method is if you have Nicehash, zpool, miningpoolhub and miningrigrentals enabled in profit switching, then AM will also use those services (profit can be found on the Online Services tab) in addition to the Coins tab to determine which is the most profitable.

If Zpool says mining lbry is more profitable on it's service (Online Services tab) than what you see on whattomine.com (Coins tab) then AM will use Zpool's profit information and point your rigs to it.
671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
I don't disagree with the warnings for newer miners, but I disagree with the calculations people provide in those arguments.  The disagreement comes from the advice that buying a coin is a better prospect than mining a coin, and not taking into account at least *some* capital recovery when selling the GPUs, and motherboards on the secondary market.  Those proceeds from selling old GPUs will either bolster overall profits when the miner quits, or will go towards upgrading to more powerful/efficient equipment.

I do agree that new miners thinking they will recoup their capital investment costs (not ROI) in less than 6 months are gone for now.  They must be prepared to stick it out for a year or more at this point... and no one knows what the future will bring.
672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: September 17, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
I have a question about the 2400 watt server PSUs with dual breakout boards.  Is that PSU built as 2 separate PSUs in one housing, with 1200 watts allocated to each breakout board? Or is it 2400 watts that can be broken up in different amounts, ie. 800 watts on one breakout board and 1600 watts on the other breakout board?

*I know you shouldn't run 2400 watts through it, I'm just keeping the math simple. Wink

**I am referring to this exact PSU --- http://www.parallelminer.com/product/delta-2400watt-power-supply-platinum-94-200-240v-dps-2400ab/

Thanks!

It's jut one PSU, but it has two connectors, so the load is spread out between those two connectors and breakout boards.

That's what I thought from looking at it, but short of tearing it apart I wasn't sure.  Being able to have more then 1200 watts through one breakout board is the main issue, but it sounds like that shouldn't be an issue in this case.

I wouldn't put more than 1200 watts through one of the breakout boards.  Spread out the PCIe connectors across both when you set it up.
673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bought a 137MH/s Miner -- What should I mine? on: September 17, 2017, 10:07:44 PM
Since you bought nVidia GPUs, you should look at the algos/coins that they do better.  Etherium is fine on nVidia, but equihash coins like Zcash, Zencash, Zclassic, HUSH are better.  Library is also a good coin for nvidia... skunkhash coins, tribus coin like Denarius, and plenty more.  Just go to whattomine.com put in the number of your 1060 GPUs and see what is the most profitable today.
674  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: September 17, 2017, 09:56:28 PM
I have a question about the 2400 watt server PSUs with dual breakout boards.  Is that PSU built as 2 separate PSUs in one housing, with 1200 watts allocated to each breakout board? Or is it 2400 watts that can be broken up in different amounts, ie. 800 watts on one breakout board and 1600 watts on the other breakout board?

*I know you shouldn't run 2400 watts through it, I'm just keeping the math simple. Wink

**I am referring to this exact PSU --- http://www.parallelminer.com/product/delta-2400watt-power-supply-platinum-94-200-240v-dps-2400ab/

Thanks!

It's jut one PSU, but it has two connectors, so the load is spread out between those two connectors and breakout boards.
675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
So this guy is not doing his calculations at today's Zcash price of ~$175, but instead of a (hopeful) future price of $245 to make his calculations. So "if" Zcash goes up another $70 he will be making $5/day with a $660 investment in GPUs (not including the system).

So we have two scenarios, one invest $660 in GPUs today to earn $5/day (again if the price goes back to $245) and two just take that $660 and buy 3.77 Zcash coins. (I am leaving system costs out as to make the example easier.)

So let's look at the mining route. The 3 1060's are making closer to $3.60/day right now as Zcash is actually trading at $175 and not $245. So $660/$3.60 is 183 days to ROI. If the price does go back to $245 we are looking at only a 132 day ROI, which is quite good actually.

If we instead invest in Zcash we have 3.77 coins in our wallet for the same $660 investment. Those coins are worth $660 today, so in effect you already ROI on them. If the Zcash price "pops" back up to $245 as per the posters argument, your Zcash would then be worth $923.65. This represents a $263.65 profit.

If you are mining instead and the price pops up to $245, you still need to mine for those 132 days to just pay off the GPUs, much less make the extra $263. To earn the full $923.65 you would need to mine for 184 days even using the $5/day profit target.

I think most miners also calculate the resale value of their GPUs as a hedge which your calculations don't account for above.  Granted this summer has been an anomaly when it comes to GPU resale pricing, but even getting 50% of the original value of your GPU a year after purchase is probably do-able.

So... add an extra $1000 from that initial $2000 GPU purchase investment.

The problem with the hedge argument is if the mining profitability were to go poof I do not think you would get 50% for you cards. One factor is most retail prices are actually 150% of MSRP. So a card that normally would sell for $200 such as a RX580 8 GB is going for $300+. So if the market collapses you will not be selling a "normally" $200 card for $150 (which 50% of the overpriced $300 you paid) but probably closer to $75 which is a little more than a 50% drop from the MSRP. And even this may be too generous as there is a lot more GPUs out there now than back when scrypt mining went away.

Also the hedge as you put it is still offset by the pure profit buying coins would give you. So instead of hoping for ROI in 6+ months and then hedging by selling your GPU, you could come out just as much or more by buying the coins directly. Also in the event of a sudden and violent market downturn, it is much easier to get in and out of coin potions that it is a mining setup.

I disagree, but we can agree to disagree.

There are still plenty of miners who will snatch up your GPUs at a reduced cost because they have cheap power or are willing to stick it out.  And the gaming market is much larger than the mining market, and gamers are always on the lookout for a bargain GPU.
676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What PSU to choose on: September 17, 2017, 09:27:57 PM
Many miners will buy 2 or more ATX power supplies to spread the load.  Buying two 750W ATX power supplies can be cheaper than a higher wattage single ATX power supply.  Also, many miners are switching to server power supplies with breakout boards, as they are designed to run in challenging environments.  But if you run a server PSU near it's maximum loads the tiny fans can be loud, so make sure your rigs will be away from your living areas if you use these.
677  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Power cost for mining on: September 17, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
So this guy is not doing his calculations at today's Zcash price of ~$175, but instead of a (hopeful) future price of $245 to make his calculations. So "if" Zcash goes up another $70 he will be making $5/day with a $660 investment in GPUs (not including the system).

So we have two scenarios, one invest $660 in GPUs today to earn $5/day (again if the price goes back to $245) and two just take that $660 and buy 3.77 Zcash coins. (I am leaving system costs out as to make the example easier.)

So let's look at the mining route. The 3 1060's are making closer to $3.60/day right now as Zcash is actually trading at $175 and not $245. So $660/$3.60 is 183 days to ROI. If the price does go back to $245 we are looking at only a 132 day ROI, which is quite good actually.

If we instead invest in Zcash we have 3.77 coins in our wallet for the same $660 investment. Those coins are worth $660 today, so in effect you already ROI on them. If the Zcash price "pops" back up to $245 as per the posters argument, your Zcash would then be worth $923.65. This represents a $263.65 profit.

If you are mining instead and the price pops up to $245, you still need to mine for those 132 days to just pay off the GPUs, much less make the extra $263. To earn the full $923.65 you would need to mine for 184 days even using the $5/day profit target.

I think most miners also calculate the resale value of their GPUs as a hedge which your calculations don't account for above.  Granted this summer has been an anomaly when it comes to GPU resale pricing, but even getting 50% of the original value of your GPU a year after purchase is probably do-able.

So... add an extra $1000 from that initial $2000 GPU purchase investment.
678  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: If BTC doesn't close this week above $3000 gpu mining is done on: September 17, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
b) I'm not Chinese, but my impression is in China, crypto is seen as way for ordinary people through their own efforts to make money. There is a tinge of hypocrisy for the PBOC to ban IOC's because of their "speculative" nature and that they don't want the "little people" to get scammed, but if you are a million/billionaire it's ok to buy, build, speculate on companies, real estate and blow money on whatever.

It is a bit disingenuous of the PBOC to ban IOCs and Bitcoin exchanges while turning a blind eye to the Forex market in China, which is big business there.  Many common people put their savings into Forex trading instead of banks there, and bitcoin is just another currency.   I think bitcoin was just an easier target to tackle by the PBOC before cracking down on Forex later.
679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Post Your Current Run Times! Who has the longest?? on: September 17, 2017, 08:47:30 PM
My 6x 1080ti rig is easily the most stable rig, running on Win10 for 30+ days until yesterday when the power cable mysteriously came loose from it's 2400W server power supply.

My 6x 1070 rig was also very stable  but a week ago, I was having lockup issues while I was profit-switching.  I put it back on one coin and its been stable again.  It's running on a 1200W server power supply.  I'm wondering if the 1200W supply is having issues when it's being stressed at the high end on algos that require a bit more power.  It's been running 4 days pretty stable on equihash right now, so I'm going to leave it.
680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is there a step by step guide for mining ? on: September 16, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
Is there a step by step guide for mining ?

There are many threads here (use the search feature), blog posts, youtube videos, and more out there.  Google is your friend.

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