For the ROI have a look here https://imgur.com/DSADsxM did an estimate/guestimate based on $0.04 and $0.06 per Kw with some more details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191425.20. As mentioned above, 10 cents is never going to ROI happily, just buy with cash if you can and buy OTC, IMHO, as you said as well. As far as I have seen so far, most of the people are old in this game and play their ROI to reinvest in equipment, so there is a constant cash flow available and even if that would happen (the 5 and later 3 nm chips), with the direction of mainly industrial size miners, there would be no loses as big as imagined. Why? After the halving, a few will close shops, a few will hope for higher BTC price, and a few will turn the machines back on once it will be profitable again. I do believe your post title is correct 10c a kWh you are fuc***, game over, I did the math for 4 and 6 cents and without any other risks associated (transport customs costs, any delays, or BTC price variation) it was a long ROI. But one must consider Bitmain has troubles financially, they expanded based on the end of 2017 hype and now they are restructuring, Amsterdam and another place got closed down (like offices, if I remember correctly ), leadership reshuffled... Maybe this is just a new direction. I do see what you mean with the selling techniques applied, it appears to be undercutting their own purchasers by always putting new ones with earlier delivery dates than the previous pre-orders. (I am newer her and got used to it) But one matter you forgot to consider, their competition. With the company adapting to the 'new times' they need to make sure they catch as much as they can from the market pool, therefore, sell as much as they can. Maybe bitcoin is meant to be mined only through own renewable energy (yes it costs money as well, but better than the alternative), or maybe some of us are better of by buying it at the till if nothing else can be done to mine. I definitely do not see any of the manufacturers changing the way the are that much, so we must choose as it fits us right. No matter what, time will tell if we chose good or bad. NB. I support Bitmain due to the 2 power cords, effective communication and updates that I have experienced with them, unlike other manufacturers. |
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ROI date @4cents ROI date @6centsSunday, 14 March 2021 s17+ Tuesday, 6 July 2021 Sunday, 1 November 2020 t17+ Thursday, 11 March 2021 Saturday, 7 November 2020 t17 Saturday, 1 May 2021 Tuesday, 6 October 2020 t17 Thursday, 4 February 2021 Friday, 16 October 2020 t17e Monday, 1 March 2021 Wednesday, 20 October 2021 s17pro Sunday, 13 March 2022 Thursday, 20 May 2021 s17e Sunday, 10 October 2021 Saturday, 10 April 2021 s17e Sunday, 22 August 2021 Sunday, 20 June 2021 s17 pro Thursday, 11 November 2021 Monday, 12 April 2021 s17 Monday, 20 September 2021 Tuesday, 1 December 2020 s9 se Thursday, 14 April 2022 Wednesday, 24 June 2020 s9k Sunday, 3 October 2021 Based on the delivery dates presented earlier, with no delays, no customs, no delivery charges, no difficulty increase but also with no BTC variation. Uploaded a photo of it here: https://imgur.com/DSADsxM
Can anyone confirm how many power cables will the T17e have? i can't seem to find it on the description page: 4. Please kindly note that power supply is a part of T17+. |
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Based on the current BTC price and difficulty got this put together for current Bitmain Gear for sale with maximum delivery date presented as the first day of minig: https://imgur.com/kDPVi26It presumes a date for ROI which includes, where applicable, the additional days after the Halving included in the chart. Other matters calculated: Start to mine date based on the delivery date advertised by Bitmain. The first column of ROI date does not include the extra days required after the halving. For after fees BTC outcome per day the TH/Day I've used is my BTC.com pool stats payments. Current BTC price used: $8330 Other things that each individual have to consider and/or add to the chart: Transport fees Customs Electricity Cost Difficulty Increase Delivery delays (ie. Stock issues, Customs holdups, acts of God, etc) Halving Considered but no speculation on Price after. |
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Interested in S9J 14.5TH? or T2T 30TH?
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Default SSH username/password for Innosilicon machines is usually one of the following options: root/innot1t2
root/t1t2t3a5
root/blacksheepwall
according to a Reddit post, these do not work for a T3 ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/byno4o/innosilicon_t339t_asic_root_password_wanted/eqppj8o/) as I'm on Mac, will try them later today using Cyberduck (easier to install than Putty) Let me know if one of them work if you get a chance to test prior to me. Also, does anyone know if SSH passwords cand be changed/access disabled through the firmware update? I believe Bitmain can disable SSH access, but not sure about the password change. Also make sure you don't update the firmware yet, as a measure of precaution. Edit: it appears they do not work, and in the same Reddit post above someone mentions that they have attempted to get the login from Innosilicon directly and were refused on a ' customer safety' reason |
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One worry arises in my head: ' Grin was launched without a premine, ICO, or founders rewards and relies on donations to support the long-term development of the project.' So, there is a risk associated with a lack of interest at a point that could jeopardise the whole project? What am I missing? Also, ' early holders advantage and makes it fairer for late adopters' what I read is: 'Join later and make more' which could combat the above and maybe hope people will donate and not only profit? Greed goes a long way though  |
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I think we shouldn't rush to Beam, it has to be at least 2-3 years until we personally think about really investing in Beam.
As a rule, investments at the early stage of the project are the most successful. Beam is already accepted by the community and has a good team. It will be too late to invest in such a project in a few years.While I understand what you are saying, I would replace the successful with profitable. With Crypto, it has been seen before you can make money (be profitable) without a coin actually being successful (too bad the majority are pump and dump), Reef was once like that (at least for me), but it didn't hit on the long run. HTH another one, for a short period of time and so one; I will not open the skeleton closet where most of us lost time with different projects. I understand why he would want to invest big at a 'safer' stage, also at a later stage, we are talking about different profits. So, it goes back to 'Why are you doing this?'Golden Rule: Bigger the Risk, Bigger the Profit |
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Goood , another 3kw miner  No hope for the little guy after this halving if this carries on  On the other hand, I am glad there is some serious competition already to Bitmain, let's hope those prices will drop  |
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I got my m20s from Pangolin last week. Took about 5 days to clear customs. I am currently mining on low power mode. Doing about 49TH/s at 1950 W. Fans speed is at 2100 RPM so it is pretty quiet. Lower noise than an S9. If i crank it up to 69 TH/s then it makes a fan hum that I can hear in the house from the garage. I am pretty happy with it so far.
is the miner boxed in any way (soundproofed)? 59 DB is amazing and the power consumption I simply love. Is the sound perceived next to the miner (like 1 ft away?) or in the house? I am not familiar with m20s at all, does it have like a low power function on him? thank you  |
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Makes sense to have protection on the double cord powering the equipment. Also, did some math and based on the previous prices and I would expect the following prices range for the S17+ and T17+: Based on J/TH:
s17+ 3285 W 45 j/th 73 th/s low average high $2,250.00 $2,700.00 $3,150.00 t17+ 3520 W 55 j/th 64 th/s Low average high $2,090.00 $2,365.00 $2,915.00 Based on $/TH
s17+
73 th/s low average high $2,832.17 $3,212.00 $3,650.00 t17+
64 th/s Low average high $1,472.00 $1,664.00 $1,920.00 Waiting ' eagerly' for tomorrow  . Edit: checked my V and sitting very nice between 235 - 242, with and 80% load should be ok to place 3k on one 32A breaker I think. Will have to read some more on the thickness of cables and see what I have |
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How have they done that design?
Is there a risk for phase-to-phase short circuit if you put your power cords into two different circuits which are on different phases ?
This was something I was worried about when I heard about that design.
And I also worry about how well will the protection work in a fault situation with a two circuit setup. Even if those two circuits would be on same phase.
I am presuming they are using one cable to power 1.5 board? With the other one covering the other half. The tricky part would be making sure the fans run, so probably a fail-safe power from both cables 'just in case' with the normal cut off if the temperature reaches X degrees. You can power-up two boards with from 2 PSU (found this guy who did it https://youtu.be/Af76eBsH35A?t=480/ ) Not sure about the half a board powered by one cable and the other one by another, unless one cable does 2 boards and the other cable the other board and the 4 fans and PSU fans would love to know more though. Found this about them https://www.antminerdistribution.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/S17-S17-Pro-T17-Server-Manual.pdf but nothing about the power cables (or at least I did not see). |
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New firmware version outBuild Date 23rd of September 2019 07:46 PMPlatform Version t2tz_soc_20190923_194636Can be updated in miner (mine does not work) or can be downloaded from miner link and selected manually from download file to be uploaded to the miner (i did mine like that) in the Maintenance and by going to the Firmware Tab. Took around 5 minutes to reboot and the equivalent of Tunning to be up and running in full. Currently doing: 27.45TH/s for 7 days in miner status 28.120 TH/s for the last 24h in Pool tab (this was constant) 26 rejected shares Temp for boards 62/63/63 (celsius) constant Room temp 25 degrees celsius Ohh yes, and vent running at 100% as always I have it running on Balance++ Wattage unknown as my socket measuring gear nearly caught fire at 2.5kw after a few months Edit: Not sure about my ROI on this machine, will do the math and upload later but I doubt anything will ever ROI like S9j 
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Another reason why I still like Bitmain is the two power cables (splitting the W's and allowing me to use them, still).
I hope Bitmain will still keep this feature.
Also, I will measure my circuits today to be sure where I stand
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wait, 3kw (on two cables) cannot run on a 30amp breaker if another miner is plugged in on the same breaker(ie. a t17e which draws almost as much)? the circuit is 220v; also, i smell s19's for the halving  |
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Can you explain the breakdown of the premine, where it is allocated too, etc...
This is why I got from their whitepaper: The Pixels project contains a premine which totals 15% of maximum supply. This premine will
be distributed to ensure no single person can be a point of failure.
At the Pixel project we are aware of the trend for projects to launch with no premine or funding
whatsoever. While this may be acceptable for projects with no real goals or expectations, there
is little motivation for work to be done, nothing is free. We believe the opportunity costs that
the developers sacrifice in order to work with Pixel need to be rewarded, and therefore should
be.
To be honest, giving 15% to the core team is quite a lot even if you made it as a form of motivation but still, it is ridiculous, who do not sacrifice their own time and sweat building their own dream? The team needs to reconsider this issue, there will be no reward if this project fails. Giving 5% is already much let alone 15% from all of it. other than that, this project looks interesting for me. I wish the team can make a change regarding this premine 15% premine? WTF? I would like to challenge you the red bolded statement in your white paper, mentioned above. There are projects with NO premine, ie RavenCoin. Through your statement DID your statement make an allegation that RavenCoin has no real goals or expectations? Moreover, what are you using the funds for? Do you have and exact breakdown for them or is this just another DieHard coin? |
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What's your company?
Where are you based?
Do you have a website?
Cooldragon China Shenzhen Yes. escrow? Also interested only if you use escrow. Moreover, found you on Alibaba, not sure it's you. What's your website?Got any Antminer? |
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According to your eBay " 10GPu Cases - 100+ units
8GPU Case - 60+ units
TurnKey MotherBoard - 30+ Pcs $150USD each original Price
Fans - Server fans + Custom 25mm Fans - $7 - 8 USD each $3000+ inventory
6Pin to 6Pin cables - 200+ $2 Each on aliexpress
6Pin to 8Pin Various lengths - 500+ $3Each on Aliexpress
6Pin to Dual 8Pin Splitter - 200+ $5 Each on Aliexpress
6pin to 8Pin premium flat cable - 100+ $11 Each on Aliexpress
Powersupply - Premium EU version of 1400w Powersupply + Breakout board - $100+ 100 units +
Breakoutboards - Can power Bitmain products also.
Mining USB to 16x Slim - 500+ $6USD each.
Dual ATX adaptors ~50
M.2 to Pcie adaptors ~$50" These, once the math is done do not get close to half of 100k. I get it, you want to sell, but you lose your credibility in 1 second when you exaggerate like that. Also, will not charge you this time, as the first tip is free |
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What's your company?
Where are you based?
Do you have a website?
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Looking to sell or trade for a Bitmain equivalent in th/s or W/h my Innosilicon T2T (ZS model) 30TH/h
Paid a little over £1200 for it, including transport and customs.
Looking for 0.10 BTC or £700
Miner is in the UK atm
Transport not included.
Will do escrow buyer pays
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ID: 0a7K8f53dBGr
BTC add on website: 36J44Z3cU2nn7fS5cFh3huFCTg6af6DMNe
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