So the Bible, Quran and Talmud are all wrong. Thanks for agreeing. Now, go burn these texts and try to be a better person than the people who wrote these books.
I don't claim to know what happened in the Bible. From general chatting with you, I already know you are more knowledgeable about the Bible than I am. My beliefs are independent of the bible, the bible is not any evidence of God. I don't understand why this book keeps being discussed. |
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I don't believe that I should be killing anyone for working on Saturday. Murder is immoral. Morality does not change over time, murder is always immoral and will always be.
Examples of absolute morality?
Do not commit murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not cheat
Do not cause harm to others
These morals never change. Even a billion years from now, they remain true.
Lol, thanks Captain Obvious. You might not have thought about that but moral is exactly like fogs. Of course when you're in the center it's quite obvious where you are, but when do you decide when you're out of the fog? Where is the border? Where is the limit? Killing someone without reason is a crime, quite obvious thanks. Now what about killing someone to save two people? What about stealing the rich to feed the poor? Real life example: You find someone in your house at night while your kids are sleeping. What is considered as ok per your moral code? Hitting him? Shooting him? Well moral here is blurry and always difficult to deal with. If the guy is armed with a knife and seems looking for trouble, everyone will be ok with you shooting him and it will be considered as self defense. Now what if the guy is drunked and obviously just a student having a heavy party who made a stupid bet? You still have the right to be scared so what is ok? Of course 98% of the cases are simple. The problem is with the 2% perticular cases. That's the ones difficult where moral isn't all white or black. Sorry m0gliE, I wasn't referring to your post at all. I was answering af_newbie's question for examples of absolute morality. Self-defense is not murder, murder is premeditated attempt to take someone's life, absolutely immoral. No gray area. |
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Don't change the subject. I said "you", not "God".
If the morality is absolute and true as provided by God in the Bible, you should be killing everyone who works on Saturday or is gay.
If you don't, you are either immoral or get your morality from somewhere else, i.e. your morality is not absolute.
Just admit that morality is not absolute and it does change over time.
When was the last time we burned someone at the stake for criticizing the church? Why are we not doing it now?
When was the last time we delivered electroshocks to gay people? Why are we not doing it now?
I don't believe that I should be killing anyone for working on Saturday. Murder is immoral. Morality does not change over time, murder is always immoral and will always be. Examples of absolute morality? Do not commit murder Do not steal Do not lie Do not cheat Do not cause harm to others These morals never change. Even a billion years from now, they remain true. |
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I am more of an internet addict, without internet connection, I don't use my phone often.
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Sadness/feeling being blue is like flu. People can catch it like a virus. If a person sees another person who suffers from depression, there's a negative effect on him and he could get sad as well. If you really wanted to avoid being sad, train your consciousness to be happy. Tell yourself you are happy and subconsciously you will. If you see anyone with sadness, try to be an optimist around them, because as sadness feels like a flue, happiness is a positive viral thing too. Spread love, spread happiness. Be the origin of other's happiness, break their sadness and you will see.
I agree, happiness should also not be dependent on others. Meditation helps in my opinion. |
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It's not about who believes what, there are many Christians who have inconsistent arguments that's undeniable, so are atheists, that's also undeniable. What's really inconsistent reasoning is believing spontaneous generation exists. That alone contradicts science. Believing a science that contradicts science makes no sense. Evolution as modern science explains it rests on the idea living can come from non living.
I completely agree. We need to have reason to believe, not want to believe something because we are biased one way or another. |
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All of you can deny the existence of God. However you have ZERO evidence that proves the God of the Bible doesn't exist.
Have you received the gift of revelation? |
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It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?
That is exactly what theists are claiming. Are you an atheist? No, I am agreeing with you. I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist. |
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God does not kill us for working on Sabbath. God loves us, why would he do that? I do not believe in a God who murders people, promotes slavery, supports rape etc either  |
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It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?
That is exactly what theists are claiming. |
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Look at you, you are running up the hills with your Jesus under your arm. So now it is the creator, not God who will punish you in hell?
I thought you wanted to argue that you need religion or believe in God to be moral?
You are full of it like the rest of the apologetics.
Morality comes from the community, the society you grew up in. Some of us are born with empathy, some of us learn it from our parents, our friends, other members of one's family. Some of us end up breaking the moral rules regardless what some tombstone or a book says.
While others are good and moral people DESPITE what the scriptures say, i.e. own slaves, stone adulterers or kill gays etc.
So take your apologetic BS and shove it deep up your ass because that is where it belongs.
Be a good person, and stop being a moron.
I am not sure I understand the difference between God and the creator To me, they are synonymous. God created the universe, some call him God, others call him the Supreme Creator, they are the same. I am not trying to shift anything. I believe that morality is absolute, not relative. This word "empathy" is highly relative. A meat eater has no empathy for the chicken or the cow he is eating, is this empathy only applied for human beings? |
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Aren't we all?
You are an atheist with respect to 2999+ Gods humans invented over the years. Some of us are atheists with respect to one more God than you.
You don't believe in Osiris, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl or Mitra, do you?
This question has been answered by John Lennox in this interviewTime where he answered the question starts at around the 10:55 minute mark Lennox is learnt in the study of ancient theology, I am not. He makes a clear differentiation between God the Creator and all those ancient gods. |
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Those child molesting priests are examples of people who use religion as a front to cover their hidden motives, they do not represent theists in any way. In fact, I believe that they don't know or believe in God, for they would never dare to do such a thing right in front of God.
Theists are people who know that God is always in their presence, those priests are clearly atheists.
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Biologically and socially, men and women are different.
However in terms of rights, freedom, salaries, job opportunities etc. they should be the same.
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Yes af_newbie, we do have a great legal framework, incarceration, rehabilitation programs to deal with such people, but these would be effective only if the person gets caught.
The question is if the person could get away scot-free every time, let's say he is extremely clever, so clever that he is able to commit crimes without leaving any tracks and never gets caught, what is stopping him from being morally corrupt?
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Some of us are born with this thing called empathy.
Yes, many of us are in fact, good humans with a sense of responsibility, care about others, have empathy etc. I am not talking about us, I am talking about the humans who are criminals, thieves, murderers, how can morality be taught to them? They don't believe in our morality of empathy, they think it is weak. Their morality is survival of the fittest etc. They will steal if they have to, lie if they have to, kill if they have to, in order to fulfill their needs. If they can get away with it every time, what is stopping them from continuing to do so? |
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I don't understand where atheism gets its morality from? What is stopping an atheist from stealing, lying, cheating etc? There is no karma, no God, no punishment.
The normal answer I get is that a person who cheats, steals, and lies would be condemned by the society that he is living in, so it would make sense that even an atheist would act moral.
But what if he can do it without the knowledge of anyone? What if nobody could ever catch him because he is simply too clever? If he could get away scot-free every single time, what is stopping the atheist from being morally corrupt?
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Fasting has been shown by science to be healthy to the body and slows down aging.
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In Christianity, God came down on Earth as a human being whose name is Jesus.
So Jesus is the human avatar of God, so to differentiate the two, Jesus is called Son of God.
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