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121  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Recovery program beginning in January for PB Mining customers. on: December 10, 2014, 06:00:10 AM
Hopefully, people will learn from this experience and refuse to do business with services that refuse to provide any evidence of their legitimacy. Seriously, how much more proof of a scam do you need than that?

Really the person who gives negative trust for freedom of speech?

Dude gave me negative trust for calling out HASH for using 13k of investor funds "with out concent or a loan to follow through with"  for a real estate deal I told everyone would go sour.... Then I asked him why he gave me negative trust a couple of days ago he could not even answer...  


PS It happened just like I called it. Check out HASH status now.
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BITBAY is a huge SCAM alert! you will not regret reading this. on: December 10, 2014, 05:46:38 AM
Not yet or I would have a message box full of "your post has been deleted" lol
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The questions BITBAY REFUSES TO ANSWER[BAY] on: December 10, 2014, 05:44:14 AM
one of bobs group posted in bitbay admiting to it then deleted it, I wish I could have kept it.
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BITBAY is a huge SCAM alert! you will not regret reading this. on: December 10, 2014, 05:22:31 AM
Go look at the bitbay thread before david goes on a delete spree lol
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The questions BITBAY REFUSES TO ANSWER[BAY] on: December 10, 2014, 05:14:52 AM
Looky looky

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/#!rich

Dumped 90 mil Bitbay on the same day the escrow was released... hmmm

The richlist 1st wallet holds 360 mill coins at the moment.
There were 450 mills utill 2014-12-08 15:49:20   

That suspiciously looks like about the time bay started selling for sub-100 prices.

The ico i belive raised 1300 btcs   by  the times 550 million bays were sold.

1300 btcs = 541.66 mill bays * 240 satoshis
 
The remaining 460 million were supposed to be burnt .. but they werent ..




Exchange wallet. Your figures are totally incorrect as well. What's your point?


Nope its not an exchange wallet.and my figures are correct .
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/#!rich
There was a withdrawal of 90 million coins on the 8th of December



What the hell is going on wasn't the ico completed at 300 sats why is this coin at 83 sats now? seems like the whole community is dumping!

Nope its just the bays that were not sold during the ipo that are being dumped now .

What the hell is going on wasn't the ico completed at 300 sats why is this coin at 83 sats now? seems like the whole community is dumping!

Nope its just the bays that were not sold during the ipo that are being dumped now .


Makes sense. What makes you think that the unsold bays were supposed to be destroyed? I couldn't find anything about that. It seems like any remaining bays would belong to the developers to do with as they thought proper.

Thought it sold out https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/21458-annbay-bitbay-decentralized-marketplacesmart-contractsiot-techico-on-bter/page-2

Looks like its old bobs addy, 36 addys own over 80% of bitbay can you say DUMP
126  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) on: December 10, 2014, 03:29:22 AM
I landed in my own account and my 123 hash points

and 48050 satoshi are still there thank god.

I have 11 hp's. i look forward to retiring in at most a year, a very rich man.  Cheesy

Well, I have 15 hp.  I may let you retire on my island...
i have no hp wait yeah i do i have like 5 or 6 have not been on site in forever. I also have a 55 gallon drum of lube we can use that on the island. I will even bet daddy josh will let us take a friends yet to our island where we can retire. I just want to make sure we have solar power and wind power so we can run computers to keep up with the progress

Is that lube left over from the Big Green weenie  Cheesy
127  Economy / Lending / Re: Music Festival seeks investment of $2M (fiat) | ROI 200-300% (30-40% annualized) on: December 10, 2014, 01:58:38 AM
Bump

Will gladly hop on a phone call with anyone interested, just will not discuss further than the original post on a public, highly trafficked forum...

Why not?  Wouldn't a music festival want as much exposure as possible?

Well becuase someone on the board with 2 mil might copy him  Roll Eyes
128  Economy / Lending / Re: Very small amount needed, will pay back within 30 minutes (for a good reason) on: December 10, 2014, 01:39:20 AM
Theymos is the only who can check IP FYI
129  Other / Off-topic / Re: bobsurplus appreciation thread on: December 10, 2014, 01:13:06 AM
Hey bob can you do me a favor? and fuck bitbay lol
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain on: December 10, 2014, 12:46:16 AM
to be honest fellas the best way to get up to date info, and info before everyone else is to just hang in IRC #syscoin  http://webchat.freenode.net/
131  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending BTC ~13.50 BTC in a safe way on: December 10, 2014, 12:15:58 AM
My guess is he needs money to fund some sort of drug deal...
132  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] btcQuick - Bitcoin Sales Service on: December 09, 2014, 11:22:48 PM
If he was doing business under a LLC then his personal assets are protected, but if you can prove he made ill gotten gains over what average should be then you may be able to purse him in criminal court then get restitution. Not sure have not looked into the circumstances much.
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][RIPO]RipoffCoin: The most honest scam you have ever seen[Bittrex][PoD5+] on: December 09, 2014, 11:00:40 PM
Have at it.... if anything I am involved has any type of hacking attack which is illegal in the USA. I know where to send them I know who cinna is as well, but I have no beef with her. Do you own dirt dummy don't send other to do it.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][RIPO]RipoffCoin: The most honest scam you have ever seen[Bittrex][PoD5+] on: December 09, 2014, 10:37:25 PM
Hes pumping it up to dump it on yall.. or are you blind? Then he will go MIA so your best bet is not buy and sell while the turd nugget is pumping it.
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain on: December 09, 2014, 10:01:41 PM
All the stuff about the lawsuit is covered in Ep #1 "The State of Syscoin" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTB2DY4r20&feature=youtube_gdata
136  Bitcoin / Press / [2014 - 12 - 09]China's First Bitcoin Advocacy Group To Test Government Attitude on: December 09, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericxlmu/2014/12/08/proposal-to-form-chinas-first-bitcoin-advocacy-group-sets-to-test-government-attitude/2/

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It’s clear in my exchange with Xu that he drew inspiration for the advocacy group from the Bitcoin Foundation. When asked his motivation (as a Chinese living in Australia) for being so concerned with the well-being of the Chinese Bitcoin community, Xu said many bitcoin enterprises are borderless, citing the example of international Bitcoin Foundation, which has established multiple chapters across the globe. His advocacy group will even have a similar membership fee structure. Like the Foundation, Xu’s BDF would charge individuals a small amount for basic membership ($25 per year), whereas institutions would pay much more (up to $100,000 for premium membership).

The Bitcoin Foundation has been nagged by criticisms, with the recent resignation of ‘bitcoin guru’ Andreas Antonopoulos from the board, protesting the organization’s purported “lack of transparency”. When asked what measures the BDF would have in place to avoid similar issues, Xu replied that it wouldn’t have a board director or chairman. Funds will be raised for specific projects. All members will be able to access the accounting information.

He also added that the BDF would refrain from involvement in “commercial activities”, though he didn’t elaborate on what constitutes such activity.

When commenting on the potential relationship with the Bitcoin Foundation, Ryan said that it wouldn’t be one of competition in the near future.

Response

Some people have already expressed interest, Xu added, and signed up as volunteers. Among them five are Chinese Bitcoin entrepreneurs. The Foundation also started its first project: a survey to study the demographics of the Chinese bitcoin-owning population and their attitudes towards the digital currency.


He anticipated difficulty, however, especially in light of the draconian process that registering a NGO typically involves. A 2013 Reuters piece writes that “Non-profit registration in China is strict and difficult. Only when a non-profit gets a government department to supervise its operation is it eligible to submit an application of registration to the civil affairs office. The complex procedure leaves many grassroots NGOs unregistered, which means they cannot raise funds, enjoy tax preferential policies, and they face potential legal risks.” Either way, whether a Bitcoin NGO can be legally registered is going to be a test of the government’s attitude.

Ryan declined to disclose the specific amount of funds that have been raised, merely saying that “it just started.”
137  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) on: December 09, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
Seen someone with the name of Gawesome looking for a argentina passport on the DNM  Shocked JOKING I Kid I kid
138  Bitcoin / Press / [2014 - 12 - 09] Lawfare Buys a Bitcoin — Introduction(Front Page yahoo) on: December 09, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/12/lawfare-buys-a-bitcoin-introduction/

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Lawfare has decided to buy a bitcoin. We do this not as an investment but as an experiment in journalism. Buying a bitcoin will let us explore the mechanics of how the market works and also give us a fun platform to look at some of the legal and policy issues surrounding crypto-currency. This introductory article is the first in a series on the subject that will, we hope, serve as an enjoyable exploration of a novel technology. Herewith, as a way of getting started, we present a short, introductory primer on bitcoins ….

Bitcoin (often abbreviated BTC or XBT) is a digital, decentralized, partially anonymous currency/commodity/security that is not backed by any government or other legal entity. It was invented (or perhaps created is a better way of describing it) by a pseudonymous mathematician Satoshi Nakamoto, who described it in a 2008 paper as a peer-to-peer, electronic cash system. One of the fun mysteries about Bitcoin is that nobody knows who Nakamoto really is (he may even be a she or a group of individuals operating under as single name). He says he is Japanese, but his writing style suggests he learned his English in Britain rather than the United States.   Attempts to identify him by newspapers and magazines have, thus far, failed utterly.

The lack of government backing is Bitcoin’s defining characteristic. Traditional currencies are backed by a government’s authority (libertarians might say by a government’s “fiat”) and are also, sometimes, backed by a hard resource, like the gold standard that used to underlie American dollars. [Indeed, the oldest forms of currency were non-governmental units of exchange such as salt or seashells.] Other units of account (like your obligations to American Express or MasterCard) are denominated in government-backed currency units and fully convertible (at least in theory) to government-issued cash. By contrast, Bitcoin is not backed by any government or resource. It is a purely digital currency that can be accumulated and stored in electronic accounts. It can be used much like a conventional payment network, such as PayPal, but it has no backing at all – and hence its value is completely dependent on only one factor: what the users of Bitcoin will give for it in exchange.

Some Bitcoin users see this as its principal virtue. They think that government backing is (either directly or, more reasonably indirectly) a form of government control. Hence for them the development of a system that excludes government intervention is the singular achievement of Bitcoin. Other users are simply concerned that governments may debase their currencies as a quick economic fix. [As an aside on usage, I am told that proponents use “Bitcoin” when talking about the system itself and “bitcoin” when talking about an actual coin.]

To make this happen, however, Bitcoin had to provide a substitute for the other critical function of government – its backing came with a guarantee of value and uniqueness. A dollar bill (with a serial number) is certified by the US government as authentic and one-of-a-kind. When I give it to you in exchange for some goods, we are transferring value and implicitly the government is standing by to verify the authenticity of currency used in that transfer. They are also ensuring that the same dollar bill can’t be spent twice. Indeed, governments around the globe spend a lot of time and effort in that surety function — ranging from money printing costs to anti-counterfeiting enforcement.

By contrast, transferring a digital file, such as a bitcoin, runs the risk of double spending. Since a digital file is readily copyable, a secure digital system needs a way of preventing a user from spending the same bitcoin twice. As a substitute for the government’s verification function Bitcoin relies on complex cryptographic system that involves links to a ledger system known as the “block chain.” We’ll talk about block chains in more detail in another article – for now accept this simplified description: Bitcoins are created by, in effect, adding new pages to the ledger through solving increasingly challenging cryptographic puzzles. This is colloquially known as “mining” because creating a bitcoin requires effort (in the form of the use of computing power and energy) in the same way that extracting gold from the ground requires effort.

Once created, the history of each individual bitcoin is cryptographically tracked in the block chain ledger. So when, for example, I transfer it to you in exchange for a hamburger that transfer is recorded in an indelible fashion in the block chain. Thus, the mining function combined with the block chain record assures the authenticity and uniqueness of every bitcoin transferred. Mining also has the virtue of creating new money without the need for a government to “mint” the coins.

Finally, some see Bitcoin as a cost-saving mechanism to eliminate the middleman for transactions. Another key component of Bitcoin is that it operates on a peer-to-peer basis – that is directly between a purchaser and a seller. By contrast most other new digital systems of payment, like Apple Pay, or Google Wallet or PayPal, involve reliance on a middleman to complete the transaction. Besides forfeiting anonymity, this aspect of the transaction also comes at a cost – these services don’t come for free. In essence Bitcoin is a frictionless mechanism of transfer.

Of course, to the extent bitcoins are a currency (and we will talk about their legal characterization in another article), they are exchangeable. Because they aren’t government backed, thinly traded, often held for investment and relatively unfamiliar instruments of exchange, their value has tended to fluctuate a fair bit. As of early December 2014, for example, 1 USD was worth .00268 XBT (or, conversely, 1 XBT was worth 372.69 USD). A year ago a bitcoin traded for 726.93 USD so they have dropped in value by nearly 50% over the past year. On the other hand, in July 2013, before the late 2013 “bubble,” 1 XBT was worth 108 USD – hence the last 18-months have seen an increase of more than 300% in the value of 1 XBT. As with most markets, the valuation depends a great deal on when you bought and when you sold.

Bitcoin uses are growing internationally. Today we have seen the first physical bitcoin ATMs that exchange currency for bitcoins. More than 40,000 merchants now accept bitcoin for their goods and BitPay says that more than 1 million will do so by the end of 2016. Some of the retailers sell legal products (like jewelry or cupcakes). But the partial anonymity of the exchange has also allowed Bitcoin to be used for illegal activity. There is even (I am shocked to say – and it is not easy to shock me) a site that allows bitcoins to be used to hire an assassin, where someone has bid for the assassination of President Obama. [There is some doubt about the authenticity of this site – my friends who use Bitcoin think it is a troll.] Crypto-libertarian groups like WikiLeaks, now accept bitcoin donations. In short, bitcoins are moving from the fringes to the mainstream, with as yet unknown consequences.

With that introduction, here’s an outline of the future topics we intend to cover (if any reader has additional topic we should include, please email me at psrosenzweig@lawfareblog.com). We will examine:

How to buy a bitcoin and use it
As a legal matter, is bitcoin currency, security, or commodity?
The math behind bitcoin and the block chain
Bitcoins and the Dark Web
Securing a bit coin (or how it can be lost/seized/stolen)
Bitcoin and money laundering
Bitcoin and remittances and financial inclusion
Bitcoin and free expression
Selling a bit coin (or keeping it if we don’t want to sell it)
We’ll probably do this bi-weekly (with a break for the holidays, of course). Enjoy.
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain on: December 09, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
I have been getting some interesting updates :

- i2p patch for Syscoin
- Android wallet update
- Syscoin Foundation? oO

Read more about it here : http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/i2p-patch-for-syscoin-available-sys-foundation-android-wallet-more


Thank you for your article Great work as always, the syscoin community is thankful for your efforts!
140  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Lets Talk Smart Contracts Webinar on: December 09, 2014, 03:50:22 AM
1) why are you grave digging?
2) The fack they should have that shady fuck on get him to answer all these questions about bitbay first

BITBAY IS SUSPECT AS HELL

1. Who ran the ICO?
2. How are the funds stored on BTER? Wallet, escrow account, something else?
3. What individual or group owns the ICO wallet/account? Who can release funds?
4. Who makes the determination that criteria have been met to allow distribution of funds from the ICO account?
5. When funds are released, which individuals receive those funds and how much does each individual receive?
6. Where is the documentation regarding how the funds are being spent to further the bitbay project?
7. If today's software release triggered a distribution of ICO funds, what new functions are available in the new wallet? 
8. What individual is accountable for the finances of the project and can we see ledgers?
9. If bitbay drops to zero value today, who gets to keep the ICO money?
10. I didn't see an accountant listed among the project members. Who is doing the accounting? Will there be an audit?
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