Most of the information I found has already been provided several times over.  I haven't said that i know him personally, but that I know who he is.  Repeating it again, I did some research back in April, linked his listed phone numbers to his businesses and ID and satisfied myself who and where he is.  Like the other people I have done business with, I did my own research, just like anyone else should have done.

I also think your characterisation of my "recommending" him is overdone, but that might simply be a difference of opinion/interpretation.  I've seen that accusation made several times, but not sure where it stems from.  I considered the PPT series of assets an interesting idea when Burt suggested it, but haven't tried to mask the fact that it would at some stage come to an end and people would likely be out of pocket on their investment.  Given the timing, I've paid out more on PPT than I should have, and will continue to do so until it is cleaned up one way or another.

I noticed there were some people after liquidity on PPT.A and PPT.B so added some bids at 0.32 to give effect to the insurance for those two bonds.

No offence.  maybe I should try to emulate the bullies and others that are trying to save everyone from themselves.  Anyway, I think my wife has a much better character than I do.

Disregarding personal data, all you would be left with is the record of loans/investments and deposit repayments that I make.  That might not be a good thing because I ran with 1.5%/week for half a year before dropping it to 1%/week.  Note these are nominal rates, and while it is little point trying to educate people about real rates and market risk premiums, bitcoin is not comparable to USD or most OECD economies, so the rates are different.  Borrowing at 25%APR for a house is not that long ago.

Happy to be a faceless ATM for users.  Don't forget you pin number.

Wasn't designed to be a confrontational move.   I certainly had not asked for this thread to be stickied, and after several months of relative inactivity, someone else is finally thinking about what might be involved in putting together a rating list or system.

There is also a small group of bullies that are looking to pin liability on me for daring to link other threads and make an assessment of what they have published.  Moodys don't have this problem, and their system is completely black box, at least with S&P you get to discuss things with their rating committee.

While some people do trust me, I would like to point out there are some that do not.  Some of those people I have never had contact with, nor have they discussed with me the issues they have.  There is also a special group that have assumed I'm only here in Bitcoinland to steal money from people, but I'm not going to convince them otherwise.

I am aware of at least one "bet" about my failing to make repayments.

For information: I asked Maged to "un-sticky" the thread. 

If you would like to increase your deposit balance, please pm me.


Disclaimer (the less serious version)
LMFAO - what, you want to deposit?  Do you have permission from the guardians of the forum?  Do you know it might be a scam and I'll steal your money?  Any credit information you've seen could have been made up, falsified and used for a sixth grade economics project about the failure of the US banking system.

Well, that was interesting.  Other than having a few quiet hours without random rubbish being posted, I received a withdrawal request because locking the thread was viewed as being non-transparent.

So I organised about 2200BTC and paid in about an hour of receiving the request (and no I'm not disclosing the transactions, my customer wouldn't like that).

Ah, right, only local network stuff, and it wouldn't get around the issue either.  Plus you've also got people running multiple virtual machines to contend with.

Quick update - I contacted an organisation that claimed to debt collection, but really they were more interested in charging for legal letters.  They didn't respond particularly usefully with any real information.  Andre never contacted my lawyers - they were waiting for his call.




Commenting on Dooglus's proposal, I don't see why a dollar-holder should be making a profit, option "Y" (and I'm in the dollar holding category).

As for what to do next, from a legal standpoint, we've had six months pass, and have some information of creditors.  Creditors are entitled to appoint a liquidator, and as Andre refuses to communicate, it is reasonable for as complete a list as possible be compiled and pay on that.  In the real world, requesting creditors to submit claims sometimes results in some missing out and I expect something similar might happen here.

I could take myself off the list, and it is indicated that there is a conflict of interest - that's not hidden. (and currently Starfish is running about an 4.86 average across the metrics).    Not only that, buy I'm in competition with the people I'm rating! 

I am inclined to take off the letter codes.  While there have been no complaints until a few days ago (but there was a useful post some weeks back), it's clear that some  people really don't understand what they mean.

The other change I've been considering is making it more explicit for disclosure of identity.  Having someone provide ID to Nefario, myself or someone else isn't much use, so having that more public is a good thing.

Pirate is hardly "outed" and Micon should certainly not take credit for that.

As mentioned, I'm not going to make everyone happy all the time.  Obviously you have chosen one set of information, and I have another.  The ratings are a regurgitation of what's available rather than "outlandish claims", and I would therefore encourage you to ignore them if that is your view and I actively encourage people to do their own research - including on Starfish and me personally.  That is an issue separate to this thread.  there are 50,000 forum members and so far 49,999 haven't bothered to produce something better (artistic licence with the number, it's 62.9423 members).

I'm yet to have an example given where I am carry the responsibility for someone losing money, and perhaps it is a "scam" system where the people making the claims don't have any first hand experience.  I have had a few complaints over the past year, and I am not immune from making mistakes.  Not aware of anyone I've short-changed.

For Starfish, I pay weekly interest for some, have a nice mining operation, some steady dividend paying investments and a decent loan book with the majority sourced outside of this forum.  It's interesting watching the developments, and there are some negative elements creeping in to.  That is part of theymos's plan for the place and I respect him for providing an interesting place for people to exchange ideas.

I'll make the occasional update post here, but as I've said, anyone that needs to get in touch knows how to do so.

Hmmm, well, I've got a domain and a couple of email addresses set up (some weeks ago), and people know how to contact me (and a not very.functional page set up), so it's getting close to the right time to lock this thread.  It's a shame how far downhill things have gone, but I suppose Micon will see that as a victory.  I notified Theymos about it earlier, and it's not worth the effort to deal with one misguided person when I have two hundred other people to look after.

(apparently, 3%/week is abhorrent to a "man of science".  I guess that's why they're poor - it made me laugh when I read it)

and a btw - I was thinking about the "how BS&T could have done it" because I know there are some that would like to know.  I don't want to take away from Trendon (even it is is still uncertain), but I did think about charging for the outline, explaining how the money flows work. 

Welcome to the "debate".  All I am promising currently is 1% per week (about 160BTC/week).  I do a lot of business that never gets to the forum, and I expect it to stay that way.  Probably why I was able to do a 3000 coin loan recently (I didn't have the spare to do the full 6k so split it with someone else, but I was offered 3.5%/week on that).

Going forward, the plan is to reduce the level of deposits because the lending market is changing quite a lot.  I can do that pretty easily by reducing the fixed rate paid, or by simply returning accounts until I have a particular set of customers (and I would give preference to the older accounts because I'm like that).  It's also because sensible business is being systematically excluded, but that happens from time to time.

I'm sorry that I have not pointed you to the previous posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61262.msg1127390#msg1127390
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61262.msg981017#msg981017

Currently Starfish BCB deposits are 16851 - I update this every week in this thread (as customers are fully aware).  

I also have 5500 in liabilities under the Kraken Fund (you'll find that over in securities, limited to 25 people, restricted account limits, uncertain earnings),
4173 in BS&T deposits that I set up as a favour for three people that asked if I would do that for them, and 162 BTC in 7Seas.

Do I claim to have 17000 in profit, not at the moment, the M2M is about 13,200.

lol, no, 0 to 6.  Might change it given the obvious trouble a few people are having after three months of posting.

I typically post from two differnt IPs and sometimes roaming services.  WifeofStarfish has her own computer (separate from the mining farm) as does daughterofstarfish (depending on when she's home), so the same IP would show for at least two accounts here (but different mac addresses - but I have a couple of dozen computers so meh).

But, it looks like some new sock-puppet accounts are wading into lengthy battles on various topics - maybe I'm just been here a while and don't like the repitition.

(btw - good topic Bitlane)

Somewhere from 0 up.  That's uncertain and depends on portfolio performance.

Yes, the ratings are relative.  The various metrics that are shown are ranked 0 to 6.  There are some people don't wish to actually do any actual research or reading before they throw their money away so they gloss over all the things they should do before investing, and it is hard to save people from themselves. 

Most of what is over in the WPW thread is copied from the posts of the people concerned.  It's not a particularly subjective process either.  And, having first done some work on it back in May (i.e months ago) and consistently inviting comments and feedback, it seems finally to have actually occurred - although in a rather disjointed and personal attack kind of process.

Back to Honest Bob's OP - yes, it is interesting that people can pop up and ask for loans and/or promise interest on deposits and rake in quite large sums (TheBitMan springs to mind).  I have seen people take 300BTC loans for shonky deals, I even provided some loans that turned into turkeys, but in each case I'll do an assessment first.  Not always perfect, but better than nothing nothing and then bleating about it.  And I'll say it again (because some people simply don't want to hear the message), do your research.

Why would I require more deposits?  Actually I don't.
Where are all of these other "riches"?  It's no secret I have a BS&T account - the numbers shown covered everything.  But Starfish deposits don't go there.  I now also have Kraken to account for and have had 7Seas for a while.  If I split them up, then it would be easy to hide things between accounts, so taking an overall picture was logical.