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1201  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:27:41 PM
Sorry I'm not familiar with that phrase. Care to explain?

It's a reference from 1984 by George Orwell. Sorry for confusion.
Oh ok, unfortunaly I have not gotten around to read that book yet, but it's on my todo list Smiley
1202  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
I have no idea what he's talking about either. It's clearly an inverted version of my original post, but inversion doesn't result in any sort of logic. Mostly, these people just don't want to pay taxes, and will rationalize their non-compliance using whatever flimsy arguments they can manage to compose. They must be young, privileged, and naive, as they definitely don't realize what can and will happen to those who break the law. These arguments might be fine on a message board, but won't go *anywhere* in court!

I suppose the 'attorney' who claims that taxes are illegal sums it all up. Anyone can Google the legal precedents for themselves and - from that - derive the sanity of these people.
Whatever man, you can tax my brainwallet when you pry it from my cold dead neurons. I'm out of here.
1203  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:22:38 PM
I'm sorry, I don't really understand your reply.
The arguments he is using could be used to argue for slave ownership.

Are you saying taxes are like slavery and as such people shouldn't pay taxes and should try and rebel against it even if others think they should?
I will encourage people to not pay any taxes. More so if they can get away with it.

If so your quite delusional if you think your government will be able to provide you everything without you paying a money.
I'm not, because I don't need the government to provide me anything.

For example if you live in the US, if the US had no army whatsoever, and no justice system there would be many problems that would make our society much less safer than it currently is.
There are ways to deal with problems without using violence you know.


If you want to change that, then you are welcome to fight for those changes by working within the system, such as asking your master for more freedoms.

Chocolate rations are up this week!
Sorry I'm not familiar with that phrase. Care to explain?
1204  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name on: May 04, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
As I read through posts here, I see numerous people railing against slavery. However people feel about being slaves (nobody likes that), it is the obligation of all slaves to do their best to comply and serve their master. You MUST do as your master tell you. Period.

Apparently these escaping slaves believe that because they personally have some moral objection to working their ass off for nothing, they can stiff their master while everyone else does their fair share of work. I've seen posts here calling those who do properly live as slaves 'sheep', etc... Well, complying with your master doesn't make one a sheep, it makes them a responsible citizen. If you want to change that, then you are welcome to fight for those changes by working within the system, such as asking your master for more freedoms.

While anyone with any reason knows this, here are the facts:

  • Slaves have existed throughout the history of all civilizations. That's just how society works.
  • Everything you earn must be properly transfered to your slave owner, by their law.
  • If you don't do as you're told, but I and everyone else do, it kind of pisses me off - and the same is true for the majority of people who honestly comply. Nobody likes a free slave.

So, anti-slaves, you may continue to whine and scream all you want, but, guess what? Everyone thinks you're insane, and you'll most likely get what's coming to you, sooner or later (may be years).

I strongly suggest that these people be put in their place.
1205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
the vast majority of child porn is now completely victimless.

Quoted so you can't remove it later.
I'm glad to see you quote the truth. It means we are making progress.

What's the difference between hentai of an underage anime girl and a dwarf?  All you gotta do is include a disclaimer that all the characters in your anime are over the age of 18 and some are suffering from Benjamin Button syndrome Tongue

You're basically highlighting the point of the anime group-- how the hell are you supposed to argue intent and age with a cartoon? As with all things though, it always depends on the judge. If a judge sees this thread and someone posting "fuck the government, I do what I want", it will probably make it harder for a judge to be impartial.
To be fair. If people wants to see cartoons with children having sex why put them in prison? It's not hurting anyone. We can't morally justify to put people in prison no matter how much we dislike something. If there are no victims there is no crime.

I'll add that you make a very valid point about the judge, not only are these laws completely over the top, they also tend to be subjective, making it arbitrary who should be sent to jail and who shouldn't. It's pretty clear who benefits from such massive power.

Do you like watching videos of store robberies? You should be prosecuted for robbery. Because by watching videos of store robberies, you are contributing to store robberies.

P.S. I'm not into CP, but the laws around it are just plain ridiculous at this point, and they can only get more stupid, because "think of the children"  Roll Eyes
What's interesting to me, is that, at least in the US, it seems you will get longer prison sentences for watching than for actually doing. Like they guy who never hurt a child, but was sent to prison for 150 years.

And you are allowed to have sex with a 17 year old, but if you take a picture of her you are suddenly a child pornographer. If you send her the picture you just took you now have committed the crime of "producing and distributing child pornography" even though it was completely consensual.

There is so much ignorance around this topic it's ridiculous. It's weird to be standing on the outside looking at this moral mass hysteria in action. Kind of makes you think the human kind hasn't really progressed all that much after all since back when "witches" where burned.

Heck I'm even feeling it myself, kind of like I'm obliged to add a "PS: I'm not into CP"  disclaimer just to voice my opinion. That shit proves my point right there.
1206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 04:08:12 AM
Shit, I'm just waiting for the SWAT team to kick in my door.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3KPSyNxnL8
1207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 03:58:47 AM
simple question... if it was just some url links to porn, couldn't the sites hosting those pictures just be shut down? To me that seems to be the most logical action to take.
It was Tor links, it would be like trying to shutdown silk road.
1208  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 04, 2013, 03:48:44 AM
The 10-30% weekly increase in adoption (weekly % growth of the # of bitcoin users)
Where did you get those numbers?
1209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 03:42:46 AM
If we create a law which defines "speeding" as "murder". Does that result in more killings? No, it doesn't. You just altered the perceived reality by changing the meaning of words, but reality stays the same even though the media now can report massive amounts of murderers on the loose.

Do you remember the guy who created liberty dollar, now why is it that he was labeled a terrorist? Is he a terrorist? or is this a form of altering the meaning of words to fit some twisted political belief?

Let me just say this. If you actually want to do something good in this world you may want to ask yourself why there is such a mass hysteria, and why we now have a majority willing to give up all their rights to fight this apparently ever increasing crime. It's important to think this through before you act. Can you think of other mass hysterias throughout history and their consequences?

Witch hunt of this kind has, and will, continue to destroy the life of innocent men, women and children. If you let yourself be fooled by the elite and fall for the lies of the majority, you will unconsciously be part of the mob that stones "terrorists" such as the creator of bitcoin to death (and this is exactly why he will always be in hiding). And while doing it, you will feel pride, you will feel that you did the right thing, that you fought the good fight, just as the people who burned witches fought evil, you will join them in their fight for a "better world".

I may be wrong, you might have thought this through, but I sense lack of knowledge and unjustified anger.


How does the first part of your post have anything at all to do with mine? Child pornography is the exploitation of children which will emotionally scar them forever even if they never tell anyone. Anyone participating in this is just as bad as the ones committing the crimes in the first place. Creating and allowing a market for it to be bought and sold to exist is directly causing more children to be exploited. Anyone in denial of this needs to re-examine the reality of the situation. This is why a zero tolerance policy and an aggressive campaign against them is 100% necessary. Comparing this to the "terrorist" label is disingenuous at best and makes me question what your stance on the matter really is.
The first part is very important because it explains the core issue with the child pornography that most people simply don't understand. And whats that? The fact that child porn has nothing to with child porn anymore. The definition is now so wide that it includes simpsons cartoons in sexualized positions. That's why I'm asking you if I start defining speeding as murder does it become true? No it doesn't. Now that child porn can equal everything from real abusive images to sexy cartoons, or even stories (pure text) of persons who are older than 18 (don't believe me? Just checkout this interview about a guy who was about to end up in prison for 20 years, but got saved moments before the sentence when the "child" turns up in court, proving her age. If this happened in my country he would still be sent to jail), we suddenly have a completely new type of crime. I recommend reading this by Rick Falkvinge.

I could go in great depth about this, but I will leave it there as you clearly have never thought of this issue and will need some time to study it.

The point I'm trying to make is:
1. Definitions are widened to include perfectly legimitate activities where there are no victims (tell me who exactly is the victim in a cartoon, or in a fantasy story?)
2. Real abusive images and fantasy books are mixed together into one group. Honestly, how can you compare a funny cartoon to raping a baby?
3. Now, thanks to these new definition of child porn we have a lot more child pornographers, hence we have a lot more pedophiles, hence the problem appears to be much greater than it really is. And people still believe that child porn is all about raping babies when it's absolutely not, the vast majority of child porn is now completely victimless.

Just like if they where to edit the definition of "speeding" to "murder", we would have a LOT of killers. Then the government can use that as an argument to steal your privacy, your freedom and your money. And I'm sick of that bullshit.
1210  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market Depth Should Not Be Reported Period on: May 04, 2013, 02:25:42 AM
Imagine services such as bitpay for instance. They will need to instantly sell bitcoins for users who convert btc to usd at time of purchase. If the depth is very thin, perhaps they need to calculate some slippage in the price/conversion ratio. If the market depth is hidden this is not possible to do and may be a disadvantage. If you ponder on this I'm sure you can think of many similar situations where this would be a very bad idea.

I wouldn't really mind seeing dark pools coming back though, I thought those where pretty neat.
1211  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buy/Sell house in BTC? on: May 04, 2013, 02:19:49 AM
It seems to be very high risk with the ever changing price.
One can just use dollar value and equivalent in bitcoin at the time of purchase. Those who sell their house for bitcoin probably isn't planning to immediately cashout everything though, and so they can hold on it for a long time, as an investment.
1212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kevin Rose is officially a Bitcoiner on: May 04, 2013, 02:04:18 AM
Excellent! Big names are endorsing bitcoin these days. Seems like the mass adoption phase might be coming soon  Smiley
1213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 01:50:28 AM
My guess would be he put it there himself.  Maybe the feds should be investigating him and see what they can find on his computer.  I bet it wouldn't be pretty.

We need to have a zero tolerance policy for this kind of crap as a community. Anonymous has exposed child pornographers on TOR before and I think its something that should be done more often. I'm not sure on the legalities of it but I think it would be a good idea to offer rewards via Bitcoin for every child pornographer exposed and arrested. I for one would be glad to donate to such a fund. Let's use Bitcoin to fight child pornography and help purge the earth of this scum.
If we create a law which defines "speeding" as "murder". Does that result in more killings? No, it doesn't. You just altered the perceived reality by changing the meaning of words, but reality stays the same even though the media now can report massive amounts of murderers on the loose.

Do you remember the guy who created liberty dollar, now why is it that he was labeled a terrorist? Is he a terrorist? or is this a form of altering the meaning of words to fit some twisted political belief?

Let me just say this. If you actually want to do something good in this world you may want to ask yourself why there is such a mass hysteria, and why we now have a majority willing to give up all their rights to fight this apparently ever increasing crime. It's important to think this through before you act. Can you think of other mass hysterias throughout history and their consequences?

Witch hunt of this kind has, and will, continue to destroy the life of innocent men, women and children. If you let yourself be fooled by the elite and fall for the lies of the majority, you will unconsciously be part of the mob that stones "terrorists" such as the creator of bitcoin to death (and this is exactly why he will always be in hiding). And while doing it, you will feel pride, you will feel that you did the right thing, that you fought the good fight, just as the people who burned witches fought evil, you will join them in their fight for a "better world".

I may be wrong, you might have thought this through, but I sense lack of knowledge and unjustified anger.
1214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Peter Vessenes have giant holdings in BTC?? If so, why crash it? on: May 03, 2013, 10:43:35 PM
Perhaps he sold most of his BTC in anticipation of the recent downtrend to further increase his massive BTC stash.
1215  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 03, 2013, 01:43:59 PM

R.I.P panic sellers  Cheesy
1216  Economy / Exchanges / Re: exchange.bitparking.com on: May 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM
doublec: any ETA on when all accounts will be processed?

Received All funds today NMC and BTC no errors or underfunding. He's working on it and honest.

Patience will be rewarded. I imagine he's actually having to go through every account one at a time.
Thanks for the info. Good things comes for those who wait  Smiley
1217  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-29 Forbes: Collected Quotations Of The Dread Pirate Roberts on: May 02, 2013, 12:42:20 PM
I haven't read much from him before. He sounds like a great guy, and a real asset to our community. Hopefully he doesn't get caught.
+1
A very good read indeed.
1218  Economy / Exchanges / Re: exchange.bitparking.com on: May 01, 2013, 11:55:12 PM
doublec: any ETA on when all accounts will be processed?
1219  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 01, 2013, 09:00:52 PM
i'm sure i'm gonna regret this. i just know i am. but... i gotta ask.

what the hell is this supernode thing? i see it mentioned in rpietila's sig... but ... what does it mean?

Replace 'node' with 'ego' and it will all become clear
1220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 01, 2013, 01:08:17 PM
"I think it will reach $1M (per BTC) before Christmas this year" - rpietila

That's a pretty bold prediction, if he really thinks that, he could easily think that price won't go below $115 *ever* again and be wrong. Bitcoin obviously won't go to 1 million dollar per coin this year. I'm a strong bull myself, but that's just silly bubble talk.

The question is how to take his put and not risk getting scammed? (I'm not interested in a put since I only hold, but I don't think the put itself is the problem, I think it's the risk of fraud)
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