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Another obvious ponzi bites the dust.
These offers look shitty, but if you can actually get coins out of them you are probably better off taking the pennies instead of riding it out and letting them send you a bill and you end up having to pay them more money.
I have no clue how successful they'd be trying to collect money from you, but you've already blown a bunch of money/coins on them, why risk hurting your credit also?
Walking away with a tiny percentage of what you started with is better than walking away with 0 or even more in the hole.
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Answer just one question Suchmoon, and just answer the questions no additional nonsense needed.
On Netcoin I notice something very interesting.
On December 4th I see you have a total coins of 22,686,580 at a value of 23.36717792 BTC
On January 4th I see you have a total coins of 22,566,606 at a value of 25.50026562 BTC
So how is it StakeMiners can hold less Netcoins this month than last month yet the value in BTC is higher.
The price went up by about 10% from 103 satoshis to 113 satoshis while the number of coins barely changed. Of course that results in a higher BTC value. Was it a trick question or did you really not know the answer? He was tricking suchmoon to make the "gotcha" statement that the value of stakeminers' holdings is at the mercy of the market prices for coins, as if that was some earth shattering revelation. It's not like people have been mentioning that from day 1 and that knowing how the market will react is something you learn via experience so people have been trying to find out how long he has been involved in bitcoin to evaluate how qualified he is to choose which coins to invest in. |
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If "coin markets" triple overnight I will congratulate you on your amazing luck. Until that happens you either come clean to your existing and potential investors, or I will continue to call you a liar.
So let me get this straight if the coin markets triple overnight I am not a liar, but if they drop from when the original investments were made I am the liar. Ahh ok I see, so the exchange rate is what makes me a liar not what we ACTUALLY hold. Very interesting concept. thank you for again clarifying. Why do you keep pointing out being at the mercy of the markets likes it's some get out of jail free card? the fact that POS coins continuously go down in value because so many are created out of thin air is why we have been saying your business is stupid from day 1. If by some miracle a coin's value goes up by 300% you won't be a liar, but that won't happen. Taking BTC and turning them into POS coins that go down in value is a stupid plan, and the fact you continue to spout your 126 BTC number even though coins have been withdrawn from that and the value of many of the coins has plummeted since you invested in them proves you are dishonest. All we have asked for is transparency and you refuse to provide it. |
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 Anyone care to speculate on this? No need for speculation. You are getting trolled because you gave your money to a con man. |
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Not this shit again.
This is exactly martingale, and it's dumb, as we said in the 90+page thread.
It will help you win a little bit, but when you hit that 20x losing streak (which can happen, especially if you let a bot bet for you on these dice sites) you are going to lose a shit ton of money, so overall it's dumb.
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How exactly did "trolls" stop Gaw from paying $20 per coin like they said they would?
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I can't believe it was a scam. That guy and all his alts posted that photoshop from cmmonitor that said someone reached roi a long time ago so many times that it just had to be legit.
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Not like it affects me, thankfully, but ya'll should track who is getting paid and how much... And who's the one deciding who gets paid first?
Just wondering and commenting on shit that isn't my business... but thanks to the internet I can stir the pot with my pretty wooden spoon...
the scammer controls everything who gets paid and how much... ain't it wonderful LOL also master-scammer refused options that would result in faster payouts such as taking a loan or giving up his steam pngs. Why would he take out a loan (and pay interest) to pay back his victims customers when he has an interest free loan from them. |
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Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.
I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names  Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance of not being doxxd.
What do the creditors think?
That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling. I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way. It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded. Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%. Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing  Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week. People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling  If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea. What part of "if he don't pay back the whole thing now, he's getting doxx0rd, and he ain't got 20+ BTC" don't you get? Dude, lrn 2 game theory, you clearly need 2 educate yourself. The game theory on this is simlple. They have a shitty chance of getting any money back regardless of the situation. If he owes 20 btc and has 5, you would be better off just getting a piece of that 5 than watching him turn it into less than 5 on a betting site. Game theory and dice sites don't belong in the same sentence. |
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Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.
I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance of not being doxxd.
What do the creditors think?
That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling. I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way. It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded. Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%. Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week. People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea. |
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i did not read everything here, but he is indeed a scammer or simply his account was hacked or whatever?
and why scamming now when he was escrowing a large amount of bitcoin before? no-sense to me
You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated. It really isn't complicated at all. A bunch of geniuses gave some anonymous/posible minor a bunch of coins to act as an escrow. He did not hold up his end of the bargain. (There are lots of "complicated" explanations for this, but whether he stole the coins himself, or got hacked, or sold the account, or some other nonsense, he did not do what he was supposed to). He then started following the playbook we have seen thousands of times on this forum for scams, pay back tiny amounts to buy time, and the people ripped off followed the same playbook every other scam victim has of sitting on their thumbs and hoping they will get their money back because they are incapable of taking it back on their own and unwilling to go to tha authorities because of reasons. In the end I'm sure it will work out just a well as it did for those who sat and hoped Gox, neo and bee, bfl, active mining, black arrow, moolah, pirate, gaw, hahfast, etc. Please give me three lifetimes to find an error in your assessment, for I'm sure there's at least one in there someone. If you really want to do something you can fill in some more things for my etc, that was just off the top of my head. These things always amaze me. Pages and pages of BS that revolve around arguing something that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he was hacked, sold the account, stole the coins, got kidnapped, had his mind stolen from his body via aliens and put into a computer, or what. People paid for a service. It wasn't done. Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times. |
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Master-P never touched my money. Where did Master-P touch you? Show me on this doll:  If he never touched your money why aren't you "helping the victims" like you were crying about 2 seconds ago instead of fighting with trolls? |
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Paycoin: 97% pre-mine.
They lied.
Garza said "NO PRE-MINE."
Customers NEVER had a chance....(except for the very first day when the coin price was inflated, as most coins are on launch, but only a very small few sold out at a profit.)
Everybody had a chance, but it required people to have enough common sense to overcome their sense of greed. No one is going to sell you a 20 dollar bill for "4 dollars." People smart enough to realize that got out, people who weren't didn't. |
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There is no real way to help the victims, they have been robbed and appear to be doing nothing about, as is standard operating procedure here.
Trolling like that may help future people avoid finding themselves in this situation via realizing that there isn't much difference between that troll and how so many people got ripped off.
It's not bad luck that this anonymous person found on this forum didn't fulfill his duties as an escrow, it's bad process.
Did some dildo just try to claim he trolls people out of altruism? You are making Master-P look like "honest Abe" in comparison. Stop making excuses for why you are a loser and just embrace it for what it is... the internet equivalent of public masturbation. You aren't helping anyone but yourself and the sad group of creeps staring at you and joining in. I know I helped people get out of GAW, cloudmining.website, various other cloud mining operation, and stop themselves from losing tons by following shitheads in the gambling forum. You have called me names and lost your money to p-master, I'm fine sitting where I am while you are sitting when you are, despite your super creative and original phildo-dildo joke. So, from the bottom of my heart, I'm sorry for your loss, and enjoy waiting forever for your anonymous internet friend to pay you back. |
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We're called Trusted Escrow Service. Trust's a part of our name.
And that's all you got. Please man, this is not funny alright. A lot of trolls up here. This is not right. Just place yourself in the place of victims, and you realize how painful it is. If you can't help the victims, its not a problem, at least don't troll and dilute the topic. There is no real way to help the victims, they have been robbed and appear to be doing nothing about, as is standard operating procedure here. Trolling like that may help future people avoid finding themselves in this situation via realizing that there isn't much difference between that troll and how so many people got ripped off. It's not bad luck that this anonymous person found on this forum didn't fulfill his duties as an escrow, it's bad process. |
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i did not read everything here, but he is indeed a scammer or simply his account was hacked or whatever?
and why scamming now when he was escrowing a large amount of bitcoin before? no-sense to me
You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated. It really isn't complicated at all. A bunch of geniuses gave some anonymous/posible minor a bunch of coins to act as an escrow. He did not hold up his end of the bargain. (There are lots of "complicated" explanations for this, but whether he stole the coins himself, or got hacked, or sold the account, or some other nonsense, he did not do what he was supposed to). He then started following the playbook we have seen thousands of times on this forum for scams, pay back tiny amounts to buy time, and the people ripped off followed the same playbook every other scam victim has of sitting on their thumbs and hoping they will get their money back because they are incapable of taking it back on their own and unwilling to go to tha authorities because of reasons. In the end I'm sure it will work out just a well as it did for those who sat and hoped Gox, neo and bee, bfl, active mining, black arrow, moolah, pirate, gaw, hahfast, etc. |
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I guess 2016 is not the year people here stop getting all excited when assholes pay back <1% of the money they owe and give them more time to get away. Maybe we'll stop getting robbed in 2017.
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Ha. Wonder if this is the same troll that got the gawceo account somehow. |
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Hmmm... looks like a really long con for 20+ BTC. Bought an account more than a year ago, built up trust (possibly with puppets), although the exit scam doesn't seem to have been very successful. This could have
easily gone into triple digits if Master-P had a bit more patience and foresight. Me, cynic? Nah...
Don't think any escrow would get up to 100 btc held at once. Maybe to escrow one big trade, but that wouldn't be a good one to steal because 1 person stealing 100 btc from 1 person is the easiest way to have someone seek retribution, help from the authorities, lawsuit, whatever. Stealing a small amount from a bunch of people that isn't worth any 1 person spending money to get it back is the play. As for why now? Maybe he needed christmas money, maybe he or one of his alts had a big payout due that he couldn't/didn't feel like paying out, or maybe business started to slow, so like dooglus explained it's time to shit or get off the pot. Steal 23 btc now or hope the amount held gets that high again in the future or wait years to earn that back. |
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Dude is a hopeless paycoin "community" guy, by which I mean he justifies the thousands of dollars he has lost and will lose by saying the "community" is where the real value is
There is never any community there. Community supposed to be helping each other while in there, it is more like a cult where they praise their lord homero garza for everything he has done or should I say everything that he promised will do and some nasty people that only joins there for greed of the $20 floor They're a community of assholes trying to come up with creative way to rob each other. There used to be people too stupid to realize they were getting robbed in the community, but I can't imagine they have any money left so they would have left. |
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