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12261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do with the people who don't like Bitcoin? on: March 22, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
I momentarily distract them and then slide an ice pick into their brain stem. I think it's the only humane option really.
12262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Possibility of Fork ever closer ??! on: March 22, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
you are obviously ignoring factual information. the chances of a potential chain split are equal to how they were when there was a massive amount of panic going through the market. just out of interest, what gives you the impression that the possibility of a fork is further away than before?

Signalling, yes. The node count is so unstable and flaky it's hard to tell what's going on.

As for sentiment, I don't see it becoming anything other than increasingly sceptical of BU ever happening. The sheer amount of vulnerabilities being turned up on a near daily basis and the fact that those signalling are all using Core to do it says enough.
12263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 22, 2017, 02:45:58 AM
I thought they handled the first bug poorly. :/

Closed source Bitcoin? If nothing else, these folks certainly are driving innovation faster than we expected.
12264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why not treat BU as Alt? on: March 22, 2017, 02:25:29 AM
No one who really supports BU would support that, as we obviously want the legacy blockchain and everything that comes with it, including an undiluted asset. We want Bitcoin to scale , not an alt.

But let's assume that the Unlimited alt works great and people find it more useful than Core. Over time more and more people move across and it usurps Core. It could happen more rapidly than anyone expects.

It would be out there. It would be working. Its creation wouldn't be mired in contention and it's based on something everyone's already familiar with. People could make what they wanted out of it without endless conjecture.

In that scenario it started off with a snapshot of the original chain and eventually it squirts past it out of pure merit and in circumstances with no baggage whatsoever.

If it's founded on the original chain, attracts most of the users and miners from the original chain, it becomes the daddy chain by market consensus. It would be hard for anyone to question or resent its success in that scenario.
12265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 22, 2017, 01:45:34 AM
Anyway, fuck that.. if 20K BTC is all Roger BUr has got, there's not much more to see here. Let's Move on as usual.

If we assume he has a large hand in the Dash pump, I think it's also safe to say he can get his hands on an awful lot of that knackered old BTC if he's a little short right now. 
12266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 22, 2017, 01:24:45 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ozkh/rogerver_lets_make_a_deal_1_for_1_trade_at_least/

bitcoin-cli signmessage 19Mz2o9RDABT74SA9njZqMtJXKEzj2qUoH '@RogerVer lets make a deal, 1 for 1 trade. At least 60k, possibly up to 130k, my BTU for your BTC.'
H9ed6z5RgdThRxXXqePmtJbaK1pGvoy6e+aiwUPD6pkrJ6d6TBchOu5OQLEbgq/15YRjcOUC+kMrGVfszUXV5Wc=

This is Class

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1836672.msg18284517#msg18284517

It looks like a potential goer too.


There are several problems with that.

1. Ver doesn't have that much BTC.
2. If he did, he certainly doesn't have anywhere near the balls to match Loaded


Ver supposedly voted here: https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/bitcoin-unlimited-s-path-to-solve-bitcoin-s-scaling-issues-is-better-than-bitcoin-core-s
... for BTU.

That means he has around 20K, tops.

Why would he bother voting when we already know how he feels?
12267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why not treat BU as Alt? on: March 22, 2017, 01:01:01 AM
Because the Bitcoin Unlimited is a fork from the bitcoin itself. It's mean if that will disrupt the crypto community.
We do not need the Bitcoin Unlimited coin. It will be worthless in the future.

Well, if I were in charge of Unlimited I would start it off as a fresh alt and forget forking completely. Their blockchain could start in a similar way to Clams, take an image of every BTC balance and start from there.

They'd have plenty of mining grunt to get up and running and no shortage of awareness. If people like what they see then they can buy in with their BTC.

Exchanges have already stated they'll list in the case of a contentious fork, no doubt they'll be delighted to list something that isn't the child of strife. If it really is superior to its daddy then the market will naturally migrate with no risks to anyone or anything.
12268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin holders, are you diversifying in case the fork proves catastrophic on: March 21, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
Anyone who thinks buying an alt qualifies as diversifying is batty. It's an even more insane gamble on a gamble that was insane already. And if you hang on to your BTC you get just as much of a free alt too which'll have a ready made gargantuan and ravenously hungry market.
12269  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers on: March 21, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
Most of man that hurt you, probably have had a women behind them, they where operating under some form of indirect(?) influence.

Absolutely not. They themselves were the arseholes. If they did couple up while I knew them, they were still arseholes before, I just didn't want to admit it to myself. Their womanfriends were always considerably more together who wised up before I did.
12270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU an actual threat? on: March 21, 2017, 09:05:47 PM
I don't know about that.  People would still be holding their original Bitcoin, so maybe they'd be okay just ignoring the HF and continuing.  It might be less accessible for newcomers but that doesn't mean that people will lose trust in cryptocurrencies in general.

Bitcoin, let alone anything else, is still in the extreme sceptic phase for most of the world. The only way you convince more people that it's here to stay is by remaining progressive, unified and dependable.  

If it splinters into a myriad of screechy chains all changing PoW, dumping and 51%ing each other then that looks like just another failed project to everyone who already believed that anyway.

BTC still has an awful lot to prove and that goes just as much for the people who are already involved in it, let alone future arrivals.

As Mr W pointed out above, an ETH style split would be a dream scenario but there's too much money and power on the line for that. Everyone will be scratching each others' eyes out for that one chain.
12271  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers on: March 21, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
No, it doesn't mean no sex, no relationships, its more about knowledge on how women operate with lies and deception from early age, how they are incapable of love or deeper thoughts.

And plenty of women feel exactly the same about men. This isn't a gender thing, it's a human thing. Many humans are incapable of love or deeper thoughts, or more likely aren't actually interested in them and are more interested in their own gratification at the expense of others.

I've been treated shittily by women, and I've been treated just as disgustingly by supposed male friends. I'm equally uninterested in new friendships as I am in relationships because I'm rather sick of everybody regardless of whether I want put my winkle up them.
12272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: @RogerVer lets make a deal. At least 60k, my BTU for your BTC. on: March 21, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
I was under the impression that Mr Loaded only procured and controlled funds on behalf of others. If that is the case then I hope they all agree.

The odds of this being taken up are nil but it would be very cool to witness.
12273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: March 21, 2017, 08:36:08 PM
Never gona drop below 1000sats again

That usually means it'll be back there in 12-24 hours or less. Look at the curve on the chart and tell me that's something that's here to stay.
12274  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers on: March 21, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
I think the thing that bugs me about the MGTOW thing is how vocal and misanthropic they are. It's far classier to just make a dignified exit and shut the fuck up about it. And cut the whining about male oppression too. Women aren't having a great deal of fun either.

It's been a couple of years since I've been involved with anyone. I don't really know if I'm ever going to bother again. When I look back I don't see that I gained the slightest thing from any of it, but can very easily point to the harm.

If I was gay then it wouldn't be any different and quite possibly considerably worse.
12275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU an actual threat? on: March 21, 2017, 07:02:21 PM
It looks like BU is going to happen no matter what. Exchanges already allow traders to buy BU for more than $200, is pretty cheap than BTC itself. There's considerable amount of volume particularly on bitfinex, its going to be more than what its price later as I can see.

Far from it.

That's just a type of futures market. They're in the business of making money. If there's money to be made on speculating on something, even if it'll never happen, then they'll do it.

You're not buying BTU. You're buying a bet.
12276  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another short term price fall after SolidX denial? on: March 21, 2017, 06:59:03 PM
No. The big decision was the Winklevoss one and it applies to everything that'll come soon after. Had it been a nit picking rejection on a couple of details then the heat would still be on, but it isn't because it was down to the market at large which no one can change for now.

Anyone paying attention will know that that's put the cap on any other possible outcome for several years hence.

The only circumstance where there would be a panic is if it was approved and the panic would be upwards. I'd wager more on pigs taking to the skies.
12277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BU an actual threat? on: March 21, 2017, 06:34:54 PM
it won't actually represent any loss of value

Codswallop. It would possibly trigger a complete loss of trust in all cryptocurrencies. Nobody would ever be quite sure again whether what they were putting money into would split and crater given the right levels of agitation.

If it had been an orderly and mutually supported move towards Unlimited then that would be dandy but that's not how it's playing out.
12278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The BUcoin chinese-funded trojan horse exposed on: March 21, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
it's too late for changing the pow algo, there are too many asic and money invested, chinese miners would be very mad about this, i don't think they would let this change happen, but maybe they can recycle their asic and change a parameters to make it mine the new one?

Why should anyone other than the miners themselves care what happens to them? It's up to them to stay agile when it comes to what Bitcoin gets up to. If a specific bunch is screwing with us then they should be fired and others will pick up the slack.

Obviously a PoW change is a severe move, but your average Bitcoin wallet does not have terms and conditions where you agree to preserve the wellbeing of a bunch of strangers in a far off land making money hand over fist.

I assume that possibility would only be rolled out if there was a move from a group of miners that explicitly harmed everyone else, in which case I'd welcome it.
12279  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] SegWit (BTC) vs Bitcoin Unlimited (BTU): Which Would You Choose? on: March 21, 2017, 02:59:35 PM
We don't matter. We usually follow the biggest hashrate, flabbergasted by big numbers. Whoever features moar ASICS will catch us. Plain simple.

This powerstruggle between developers, exchange site operators, miners clearly leaves out what joe public would want to experience.

If one iteration smells like a heap of shit but brute forces its way into the lead with a combo of hashing power, ninja PR and deep pockets, it's still not going to last if the majority detests it.

And your vote is to either sell or buy. That's a far more powerful signal than moaning on Twitter.



12280  Economy / Services / Re: CLE_Maximus's Bitcoin Program (Earn BTC from Amazon purchases) on: March 21, 2017, 01:59:12 AM
How will you know who on here has bought what? Will they need to tell you what they've purchased so you can identify it?
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