It's s shame that there seems to be such a variance in build quality between rigs, things like slack screws make me think whoever assembled these things probably hadn't much experience. The temperature may just be causing better contact and compensating for these things and on two well made rigs may not have any effect at all. I've been lucky it seems, but if I had one of the rigs with problems I'd have it to bits and rebuild it and make sure things like thermal paste and contacts were all tickety boo. Like they should have when assembling them , which is not racket science really is it?

Have been for me. Not had a single problem yet .97 from the day after it was released (just to make sure if the latest version wasn't homicidal).
I don't get this .97 doesn't work stuff, how can that be the firmware for one rig and not for others?

Thing is, that was what they said they were going to do, have a number of customers that they could support well.

Comparing graphics cards to these would be nice, but it's not logical. No graphics card ever hits the market without being tested to extremes, they are robust and well cooled apart from extra cooling we all add. These cards have no history or testing, and many aren't working fully as it is. I did ignore your experiment as my experience is the opposite and mine runs lovely at 37 degrees, it seems folly to me to take any further risk with something to valuable that is an unknown quantity...but some people might give it a go and regret it. If they know the risks that their perogative, but quite a few here are dipping their toes in the water and may just regret it.

It might be nice if KNC had some ideal temps for us, or ORSOC more likely....but I'm not holding my breath for that even of they do because they seem to have become mute of late lol

The diff doesn't bother me one bit. We all knew it was going to soar when we all hooked up these rigs, but imagine how the people waiting for pre-ordered machines elsewhere will feel now watching this? Quite a few cancelled KNC rigs due to this, at the last minute. It's possible that with evidence they now have that these other large batches from hashfast etc.may just see large cancellations too especially if they ship late.

Whatever happens, we're in the best spot now for a change..mining and not waiting or guessing like all the rest have to.

My experience tells me that the cooling industry is massive for a reason, the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
Is it worth risking killing them for a few extra Gh ? You won't know they're done until they die and jesus won't bring them back then never mind firmware.

Whatever happened at Slush today, my daily reward rose. Odd since I seem to have lost a couple GHash somewhere.

Can you post a screen shot of the GUI and/or Putty window? Have you updated the firmware to .97 yet ?

Can't complain about that, we did it lol

Not great reading for Cointerra and Hashfast folks I imagine though.

If that's true it's down to KNC badly packing them again, not supporting the heatsinks in transit.

Too late, it dropped while I was out for a short while and is back..lost a little. A DDOS will always do that.

Not Win 8 to 8.1 recently? That monstered mine, even erased my fucking AV software and network settings.
My ave on slush dropped from 140 to 127 over the last 10 rounds.

No, but you get the prize for selfish smartarse.
Also..don't you find it interesting that Orama said after a chat with support (As he was sitting next to them) that Avenger was full of shit and didn't have an order? Me, I call that more than interesting. And less than honest.

Buy yourself a cake. and try and STFU if you can't empathise with those who have had a raw deal. Could have been you, shame it wasn't. IMO

More likely Fri afternoon early finish.
No sign of your rig yet?

Try their Facebook page. Public questions tend to get answered fast.

https://www.facebook.com/Kncminer

Personally I read what people say and decide if it's sensible or not, but as I'm nowhere as good at this I appreciate the theories and discussions and learn as they go on. No-one takes random theories as gospel until it's been generally accepted as proved, and anything we do to our rigs is our responsibility at the end of the day. This thread has been incredibly interesting and productive lately and I thank everyone who made it so.

Disgraceful. Hope you get a good one and soon mate.

It would be nice to know the theoretical limit. I'm sitting on a merc hashing at 140 solidly. So that may be a good one. Sats should manage 280 at least  then from that? Maybe more in time, it's only been a week after all.

I think that soy mentioned that a few dozen pages ago. Things get lost in here though

They promised Oct 15 and repeated over and over said they were on track for that. It was in huge lettering on their website.

They don't answer on their own fucking forum either. It's all customers helping other customers.
Go back a few posts and see the response given to a hosted customer about his non working hosted rig...a canned response saying we'll get back to you in 2-3 WORKING days. Don't you think that maybe given the fact that they took in tens of thousands (conservatively) for hosting they might consider having some fucker to ring at the data centre or at least someone with decent knowledge on the phone at CS?

Also consider exactly how informed we'd have been if Orama hadn't been here. Not very. Without his inside observation and answering questions we'd be mushrooms. When did you last see an email newsletter? When they were still taking in money? I know one man band companies who deal with customers far better.

Agree with you, they are great at PR in their own heads, even offering to help other companies to sort out problems when the reality is they are about the worst I've come across for communication. Too busy with that bloody film and promoting themselves to realise that in the end it's OUR experience that makes or breaks them.

The hosting situation is pure robbery, people not having early ordered hosted units running and rigs up and down like a brides nightie ..totally unsupported except for some customer support person who is  clueless. Rigs should never be down for even an hour when hoisted ..that's why people pay the ransom for it. Hardly cheap was it?  

ORSOC are the pros in this, KNC I'll never deal with again, not only because they were late and didn't care...but because they still don't give a shit about the poor buggers still waiting and still aren't communication. One person spending 30 minutes a day on customers...what a difference that would make. We'd know where we were, where they planned on going, we'd be a lot happier. A few lines update every 3 days that is mainly bullshit..that's a joke.

Remember, they are all caught up today with Oct orders. They said so in a news update. Must be true.