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1321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:07:12 PM
He's decided to keep the money and post his defense publicly.
1322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
I read talk of 4.9e but it isn't posted on the first page of this thread.  Is it available?
1323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 03:24:08 PM
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To be honest, if the quality of software and all the ecosystem does not improve significantly, people will go away very soon. Now I guess most people here are attracted by the insanely fast growing price. Once it is stabilized, we will see more and more complains about the user experience.

For example, could you imagine an organization having millions of dollars does not have a reliable downloading service for frequent software upgrading? Is it so expensive to get a reliable VPS and setup a downloading server, or simply as a temporary solution just pay dropbox to get an official account with larger bandwidth?

I'm an Nxt believer but this is very true.
1324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 06:08:47 AM
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So basically we have 4 different people saying they got it from 3 different places.

1 person on a wget using the IP address
1 person from mega.co
1 person from nxtcrypto.org
1 person from nextcoin.org

Since I got the bad client from an IP address via wget, the question is where did I get that link.  mega.co isn't a possibility, correct?  The only history my browser shows for nextcoin.org since I installed 0.4.8 is:

https://nextcoin.org/index.php
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,797.0.html
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/board,46.0.html
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1588.0.html

Those don't look like pages I could have copied the link from.  That leaves nxtcrypto.org and I also think bitcointalk.org is a possibility.  Since firefox brings visited pages to the top of the history list when they are re-visted (and I didn't realize this before) it may be impossible to say which one is the culprit at this point.  HOWEVER, the first time I looked at the history list before things got rearranged, I thought it was nxtcrypto.org for sure.  Since then the history has been altered so I can't double-check this but that was my first impression.  Looking at the history, it is certainly also possible that I got the link from bitcointalk.org within the 0.4.8 discussion.

IMPORTANT:  I'm going to bed and there will be too many posts to catch up on by the time I wake up.  Please PM me if there is something I should read.  You can link me to posts if you like.
1325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 05:26:49 AM
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Is 17480583094667840121 your new account?

That is not my account.
1326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 05:26:00 AM
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I figure I downloaded it from a link on this page:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.11920

What an idiot I am for doing that.  To reiterate, I DO NOT think I downloaded the bad client zip from nxtcrypto.org.

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Are you sure?  that page has a post about you upgrading your VPSs to 0.4.8, so I would think it happened before that

My post on that page was at 4:07PM and the first post on that page was at 3:19PM which is much more than enough time to upgrade.  I wish we could see the edit history of those posts.

But I can't be sure at all.  Firefox is making this really difficult.  I realized halfway through my investigation that it removes pages from your history once you access them again and it puts them back at the top of the list.  How stupid.  It also could have been nxtcrypto.org since I accessed it during my investigation because that means it wouldn't appear in its proper place in my history any more.  It looks like it also could have been one page back on this forum from the post of mine I linked to above:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.11900
1327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 05:11:57 AM
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I think I downloaded the bad client zip from here:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/

I can't be sure yet and I still don't understand some of my timestamps, but I see in my browser logs that I accessed that page at around the time I updated to 0.4.8 and I'm pretty sure I remember using the link on that page.

EDIT: I think I even remember laughing about how silly it was that that page pointed to an IP address for the download.

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Not that I don't think you could have DL'ed yours there. I'm pretty much positive (I don't have the browser proof since i've cleared my history probably 10x since then!)
mine was DL'd from nextcoin.org, via the Mega link that was there at the time I DL'd it.

The only reason I mention it is I DL'd that client.zip from nxtcrypto.org as well, and never touched it.

I take it back.  With a little help from the timestamp on my post here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4240566#msg4240566

I figure I downloaded it from a link on this page:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.11920

What an idiot I am for doing that.  To reiterate, I DO NOT think I downloaded the bad client zip from nxtcrypto.org.
1328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:50:36 AM
I think I downloaded the bad client zip from here:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/

(EDIT: No I didn't.  See my post below.)

I can't be sure yet and I still don't understand some of my timestamps, but I see in my browser logs that I accessed that page at around the time I updated to 0.4.8 and I'm pretty sure I remember using the link on that page.

EDIT: I think I even remember laughing about how silly it was that that page pointed to an IP address for the download.
1329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:39:47 AM
I'm confused.  The timestamp on my bad client zip is Dec 31 11:43.  That VPS runs on UTC time and I can see that its time is correct.  Converting that to my local time, that would put me on the computer really early in the morning which my browser logs tell me I was not.  I just checked with my wife to confirm and she says I was not up that early yesterday.  I'm still thinking this over.
1330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:29:14 AM
When was 0.4.8 released?
1331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:22:40 AM
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can you get a timestamp from the file or some autid log that you can correlate in your web browser?

I'm actually working on that right now.
1332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:07:22 AM
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I ended up with the bad client on 3 out of 3 VPS nodes.  FOR SURE I downloaded the bad client like this:

wget http://162.243.246.223/nxt-client-0.4.8.zip

It's as plain as day in my bash history.  The weird part is I had about 2000 Nxt in the 3 accounts and none of it was transferred out.  I just transfered it out myself and I'm shutting down the nodes.

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Where was it posted ? Why did you go to a private ip address to download the client ?

I don't know how I could find out where it was posted.  I'm sure I copied and pasted it from a page in the browser to wget in the console.

EDIT: I have a lot of experience with IT security so it would have been made to look legit.
1333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 04:00:04 AM
I ended up with the bad client on 3 out of 3 VPS nodes.  FOR SURE I downloaded the bad client like this:

wget http://162.243.246.223/nxt-client-0.4.8.zip

It's as plain as day in my bash history.  The weird part is I had about 2000 Nxt in the 3 accounts and none of it was transferred out.  I just transfered it out myself and I'm shutting down the nodes.
1334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 03:38:30 AM
Can anyone confirm that the size of the good client is 7173063 and the bad client is 7177834?
1335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 03:30:29 AM
Can anyone confirm that this is the bogus client?(Huh)

7177834 Dec 31 11:43 nxt-client-0.4.8.zip
1336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 01:24:18 AM
Wow.  I'm sorry guys.
1337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: January 02, 2014, 01:20:01 AM
Which platform is nexern's client built for?
1338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Online store in-house currencies? on: January 01, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
Do any online shops have their own in-house cryptocurrency?  It seems like that might be kind of cool.
1339  Economy / Service Discussion / Computer stores that accept BTC? on: January 01, 2014, 01:33:14 PM
Are there any computer hardware stores online that accept BTC?
1340  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC price short-term? on: January 01, 2014, 01:19:08 PM
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Buy now and be prepared to hold fast. The price may very well dip immediately a little lower than your purchase price. Do not fall into the trap of panic selling at that point.

Sell BTC?  Now that's funny.  Smiley
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