Must read, clarifies your thoughts on the price (3 min only).The "double auction" method described, is the way I also would solve the fiat/BTC problem. Coupled with a Dealer Network, where only the members have access to the auction, and the general public either buys from them OTC or uses the real-time exchanges, which are relegated to a marginal "casino" role, where the bulls and bears both win, only sheep get slaughtered. Long term transfer of coin-denominated wealth would go the route of "large private holds -> Dealer Network (most of these by design have large holds themselves and may therefore easily unload their own holdings) -> paper wallets of the new adopters". You do realize that you are in a community where any service operator who can't achieve more than 99.999% uptime will get crucified on the cross of shame and be spitted on? Geeks don't give a damn about your fancy order-matching idea, and how a real world exchange should operate, if you dare to entertain with the idea of an exchange not having to process orders real-time every second 24*7, you will get strapped of your badge of nerdiness and ostracized forever.
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Now this being Bitcoin, what about we just pull out our mining rigs and vote/fight.
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I can tell you how this is going to end: a small portion of the hashpower of the Bitcoin network will join your chain, then 51% you, then you are game over.
I would have nothing to gain from that, besides it would not neccesarily be possible. My intention starting the new chain is to allow bitcoin a future. I am just telling you this is what is gonna happen, not making a judgement. Bitcoin's design precludes the chance of survival of any copycat, you need to come up with some new mining algorithm which is incompatible with Bitcoin(like LTC's scrypt) to survive, FYI several altcoins had been taken down by 51% attacks because they can be merge-mined with bitcoins.
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I can tell you how this is going to end: a small portion of the hashpower of the Bitcoin network will join your chain, then 51% you, then you are game over.
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I have got a maybe silly idea, and this is not strictly related to Armory, but since I consider it silly and you are possibly the only one I knew here who is both knowledgeable and friendly enough to help a noob, I think maybe I can post it here to get some advices from you before I decide to make a thread or not....I am sorry.
The idea is to spend bitcoins in a way similar to physical coins to prevent the "race attack". So we know traditionally the currency datas are represented in a special kind of currency data type, as they are not infinitely divisible, when we spend the fiats the smallest denomination is usually one cent/one penny, and any amount can be splitted into a relatively small number of fixed denominations(1 cent, 5 cents, 1 dollar, 5 dollars, 10 dollars....). What if we apply the same way of thinking to Bitcoin, and implement the following feature in the client: create multiple addresses(like hundreds) in a batch, and charge each with a fixed amount of bitcoins(5 BTCs, 2 BTCs, 1BTC, 500mBTCs, 200mBTCs, etc), the amount charged must be a number from a set of "denominations", and the number of addresses should be enough for multiple purchases in a relatively long period of time as each will be only used once during this period. Now whenever the user wants to make a purchase, his bitcoin client will pick a number of addresses with the right combined balance and completely spend them to send transactions to the merchant(no more than 12 are needed to be used for anything cheaper than 10BTCs ATM I guess), then the merchant can simply perform a check of all addresses used by the customer, and refuse to deliver the goods if any of these addresses containing unconfirmed/less than X confirmations transactions, so that the merchant can effectively prevent a race attack, without giving the customer too much inconvenience, what do you think?
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Is this the "offical" 0.88 version?
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Seriously, you guys may need to consider add trading through E-mails. In high traffic high volatility times it's going to help both us and you if we can close our margin positions with E-mail, it's becoming quite a bit intolerable right now.
An API would be more reliable. All the exchanges use a API except for Bitfinex. There may be large traders who are not technically sophisticated enough to use APIs. What we're looking at is not some icing on the cake, unable to close margin positions at the right time maybe a life-and-death problem, for both customers and the exchange, given the gox lag. You can't just implement it in a "think you may like it" sort of way, everyone must be able to use it. But of course APIs should still be made available.
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Seriously, you guys may need to consider add trading through E-mails. In high traffic high volatility times it's going to help both us and you if we can close our margin positions with E-mail, it's becoming quite a bit intolerable right now.
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I am fairly sure the chance of a steal transaction becoming valid is not 30% even if the thieve controls 30% of the hashpower/nodes, the real probability has to depend on the time passed(how many blocks are found) between the two transactions.
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LOL @ the trolls/shills in this thread.
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DPR = Dread Pirate Roberts = founder and main operator of Silk Road drug trafficking site that buys/sells things with BTC.
Nice article in Forbes about him.
I don't have nearly as many. He must be the richest person on Earth, then. Is there anyone else who publicly owns 100k BTC or more? Wall observer thread regular "Loaded", 40K provable cold storage, more than 100K claimed. About DPR: of course, since when is the world's largest public drug market owner not the richest person? EDIT: I think there is at least a hint of possiblity that DPR is actually Satoshi.
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Cypher what is your avatar picture of? I can't make it out. its a picture of the Sun and the writing explains the equivalent computing power needed to crack a private key. Slightly wrong, power needed to find a hash collision for SHA256(not even that, just to count to 2^256), the jacket of the public key.
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What intrigues me is that yesterday we have triple more volume and no lag.
That maybe because what Gox said is truth: people are buying right now yet they didn't cancel their orders at lower prices, so the number of checks Gox needs to execute goes up multi-fold. In a panic sell like yesterday people would not have expected to have their orders at higher prices filled so they simply cancel them(besides those that are backed up with funds).
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Why the hell wasn't there any lag on the way down?
Shills:" I don't know, but Gox must be manipulating to keep the price up!"
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wow that flat line price. Bears didn't even tried The question is can they still try? the 2M BTCs sold is not like the typical amount you would tip a waiter.
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I think the worst is behind us. The market has tried to break through the $50 support twice and failed, this gives confidence and makes speculators afraid to try that a third time and fail again. We're going up again with a slowly rising support level is my opinion.
I am fairly sure we will only go up when the bears have completely blown their wads and got nothing more to burn.
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This has been one wild week... I've been dealing with calls and emails nearly 24 hours a day. Managed to keep most of the panic sells between old and new clients and off the market.
So has the panic stopped? Are we going to see more upwards activity again? Fundamentally nothing has changed, it is my opinion that the crash was caused by gox and those who sold into the lag, only to see their market orders execute much lower than expected. I currently have >$15M waiting to buy, however the vast majority will be off exchange. Many of these private trades are at individually negotiated prices, sometimes significantly different from market. So you operate the biggest Bitcoin dark pool, Loaded?
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Public announcement: If everybody has so far been able to get everything that is to them due, from Bitfinex, even last week, I consider it safe enough to extend my trading there also. So please tell quickly in case there has been any issues with this, so that I can start! I personally ask my clients to wait until they register with the Hong Kong financial regulation agency, which I believe they are pushing forward, I have no problem with entrusting my own funds to them though.
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Sorry, are you referring to me or no one in particular?
Anyone with more than a truckload of money, would be better off just buying at sub-$100 levels, as otherwise he would probably end up with less bitcoins. I don't know, whether I am referring to you. Am I? Grrrr...typical Finn. But yeah, I agree with you there, my status is more like that of Roni though, I did buy some(heck, I even sucker bought at $170 when it was all the way down, although I was buying back my position sold at $190), but I mostly spend my day trying to arbitrage by catching people off-guard, Gox actually worked surprisingly well today, this combined with the volatility allowed me to offset my loss through the arbitrage(technically not loss as I am still vastly in black).
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I don't think the bears have proven anything, it's just the bulls are, for some reasons, reluctant to advance as of now.
These bulls are tame oxen, moo moo.. I am proud to have bought BTC500 last night (UTC) at $80-$90 range. Do you actually think you will get to buy these coins easily when it starts to run? If you are gone for good, au revoir. Just please don't flock the entrances the way you flock the exits. I start to wonder if everyone here is trading a < BTC1,000 position as they seem to be able to go in and out several times a day... Sorry, are you referring to me or no one in particular?
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