anybody called them ?
i heard yesterday that they have no psu for the desk's but they will deliver the first rigs on monday...
(i get this information from a customer how called them)
have anybody more or new information ?
Look at the pictures - just desk units around there with built-in PSU, plus a stack of cartons in the back. So Bitmine can ship if they want. If they really run out of PSU they are just stupid as everybody know nowaday that big PSU & GPUs are rare. Bitmine had 3-5 month time to buy these parts. Just a few posts above you can read we all got another info for shipping the first rigs - next week friday... |
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Hey be patient friends  i am in the same boat. just endure another 2 weeks or so. At least not in another 2 month waiting like BFL. Apparently we´re not in the same boat; I have ordered the very first Avalon Clones - then upgraded to Coincraft Rigs - at a time where BTC traded below 100$. I can´t accept the in-transparent way of communication from bitmine anymore - we are nearing a 3 months delay due to a official 3 week shipping delay of a sub-contractor?!? Yeah right - that´s so credible. I am going to be patient and put my rose-tinted glasses on and see what happens. NOT It´s not that hard to (officially) prove where the time during production was lost - and I will not hesitate to initiate a lawsuit to find that out. Where does the 3 months delay come from? It has always been clearly stated on the product page that shipping would start from the 16th of December, as such as of today we are just 7 weeks late, a little bit less than 2 months and, again, we are going to pay that delay to our customers with our customer protection plan by adding free hashing power. It is not our nor your fault if you had such a bad luck that you've paid for the unit when BTC exchange rate was $100 while now it is 8 times higher, this is a risk that you should have taken into account before placing your purchase. start from the 16th of December - NOYou was talking about November chips & overdelievery - it was 3rd of Dezember stated as first delievery date & finally latest date was 17 of Dezember for batch 1. If you don`t trust me, just read your own blog posts! |
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Finally get internet working on my mobile long enough to post this. We have one of the worst natural disasters of the county history. We lost power about 48 hours ago and roads are practically undrivable... A lot of ice and show... So trees are foaling on roads and power lines... 18% of people is out of electricity... No idea how long I will be away... Running out of batteries...
I can confirm that - it`s really bad here (2-3m snow & a lot of people are out of electricity). |
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Hi guys,
we was just talking about the production-statement or better "NO" one for the rigs. Anybody recognized that in the pics there is no rig around? And no word about it in the news blog.
So finally I hope that the rig isn`t a complete different hardware than the desk unit - as the pictures looks that the desk unit has "modules" (avalon like) & the rig was always advertised with max. 17 "hashing cards" what would never fit if it was the same.
Next thing I found out that there must be a custom PSU with 3000W sized like a normal ATX-PSU - look at the prototype pics... just one slot for it available. Hopefully there is not just the desk unit ready for production. What you think - is the desk unit a complete other hardware??
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What is the planned production schedule for batch 3?
Not sure what you mean with batch 3. But I'm currently at 38,5C... So I'm out cold to... Will do my best to send some boards tomorrow but we are snowed in at the moment so not sure if I will be able since it was snowing like crazy whole day and it is still snowing... I'm working on a first in first out bases... Unfortunately you are second to last in this "batch 3" if I understood that question right... Would be cool to get them as soon as possible... a huge thanks for your work. |
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You don't pay for an ordered car until it is delivered. At most you put down a small deposit, usually refundable, often with a credit card.
In which country? Where not? Never had to pay a cent of any of my cars till I got the keys. And if you order a new car (when the dealer don`t know you) a credit card do all. If you can`t afford it later you are contracted to take the loss of resale maybe BUT this is just the case of leasing contracts - as the car isn`t yours till you finished remaining payment. well I might have to change my car dealer then All dealers where I bought (new) cars so far requestes an partial upfront payment (wire transfer - no credit cards [which would be beyond ma limits anyway ]) and I had to wait several weeks for "delivery" afterwards. ...or maybe I just don't look trustworthy enough XD I too had to wait - didn`t want to say that ;-) |
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You don't pay for an ordered car until it is delivered. At most you put down a small deposit, usually refundable, often with a credit card.
In which country? Where not? Never had to pay a cent of any of my cars till I got the keys. And if you order a new car (when the dealer don`t know you) a credit card do all. If you can`t afford it later you are contracted to take the loss of resale maybe BUT this is just the case of leasing contracts - as the car isn`t yours till you finished remaining payment. |
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Hm... They are capacitors but how did that happened... Something must pressed on bubble raping hard enough to do that... Did box show any damage? Blue part must be turned out. Or I can organize a pick-up and fix them for you...
EDIT: This is this rohs stranded that removed lead from solder and make boards more brittle
EDIT2: I request for insurance to be paid out...
I had this too on another HW delievery - it happens when the packages are shaken or when they transport it on the automatic belt system I think - the packages are pushed by bumpers there. Maybe you can fix it by package each board in an inner carton box (bubble foil wrapped) & finally take the boxes in a bigger carton (like they ship motherboards & gpu`s). Most important thing is to get a really stable carton finally what takes the damage without giving it into the inner. In my company we too have to ship our sensible goods like that - otherwise they will arrive broken at the clients 8 of 10 times. Just found a pic of Technobits delievery - this is the thing I mean (in general :-) ): https://imageshack.com/i/gvuouzjThey use hexspacer too to get more stability & finally it can be damaged from the top. |
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I will probably start to ship tomorrow... I have finish about 20 boards now... This time I'm testing them longer and looking to put best firmware on... So it is a bit slower then the last time. Really cool - can`t wait to get them  |
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What day to start counting the 61 day delay  First day of your batch week + 10 days for shipping. ie it is December 13, 2013 ??  No Production start was the 16.12.2013 No it was 3. Dez! |
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Same here Lucko - make my boards too! Thanks for your mail & work - I am sure we will finally get a stable solution for everybody.
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I hope i am right with this, but looking at this video they have already build the prototype. So it should be just a mather of putting a complete board together, testing and going in production. I really do hope a lot of the testing has already been done. Listen carefully to what is said in that video. At about 0:15 "...this prototype is just made of one single board, emulating one coincraft A1 chip..." That's why they are still in the prototype phase, ... now they have to do the first prototype with the real chips... that's where we are at the moment. properly that in the video were bitfurychips No it was a FPGA I think. |
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I have a question on the coincraft-rig units...
The PSU is included, and specs "estimate", about 1600-3000w with the "included PSU"... For the fully-filled 8-card unit.
3000w in turbo, obviously, but does this unit come with a 3000w PSU, or does each of the eight boards have an individual mini-psu, delivering the 200w-375w required for turbo-mode?
This, too, I assume has two separate plugs for 120v operation, as 3000w can not come from 1 single 20a cord. Which can only handle 18a constant power, as with most home circuits. (120v * 18a = 2160w constant. However, 240v * 18a = 4320w, which would work for non-US power-outlets/wires.)
I'd say, and this is my take on it using logic: 1. Rig is a rackmount 4U unit designed for being rackmounted in a datcenter with adequate power and cooling 2. Desk product is designed for home use 3. Higher output devices designed for 240V operation only Thats not logic & not correct - the miner has to look after it based on his individual situation! If you operate other devices on same cable what need a lot of energy too a desk unit could be even too much & your home burn down. Normally you need to have on a dedicated line 16A (heard a few just have 13A) - 240V. There you can let run 1 full machine & I think in one machine are 2x 1500W PSU or so (if you want to prepare so best is to make 2 EURO-SCHUKO-plugs on 1 dedicated line 16A). If you have other voltage your electrican know how to fix it to change to 240V. |
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I'm just making a list of problems for MrTeal. He asked me to do it. It isn't as bad as I thought it will be... New components might help or I don't know what... I will be sending out all made boards soon. But only first 20 boards did show problems and only 3 big the rest don't... I will take 10 most problematic for me to test on  I was hoping to hash with them Making this list is a bit of a problem since I need to reasembled them and that takes a lot of time... Hopefully it can be sorted out - nice to see that you & Mr.Teal are working on it. |
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Miners and Bitmine customers, before this thread fully turns into a source of misinformation and FUD, I want to herein try to limit the noise by clarifying those facts I am aware of. Aside from being their largest customer, I work for Bitmine as a contractual consultant at the SW side. As such, I am in direct contact with the management and also regularly visit their offices. While doing PR on the forums is not part of my contract, I dislike the current sentiment where speculation and misinformation dominate. Still, I am under NDA and therefore can only sum up what is already publicly known or not covered by the NDA. ChipsBelieve it or not: there is no chip packaging facility in Europe. Therefore, the wafers produced by GF in Dresden were sent to China for packaging and will be returned back to Switzerland for testing / assembly. SoftwareAs announced here, I was supplied with an FPGA chip emulator to develop a cgminer SPI driver for the A1. The initial version was released some days ago, and with that, there is a tool available to mine with the A1 as soon as the chips are assembled. On top of that base functionality, the features currently being worked on are - support for clusters of autonomous chip chains for modularity
- un-brickable FW upgrade to mature SW in the field
- user-defined / auto balance of hashrate vs. power consumption
- GUI
This list is sorted after priorities, and a GUI is obviously not on its top. I personally am fine to have the GUI provided by cgminer's miner.php, but there will also be a 'polished' Web-UI available. AssemblyAs already done with the Avalon clones, PCBs are assembled in north Italy and the PCBAs are delivered to Switzerland for product assembly and QA. During my last visit I saw around a dozen workplaces - production capacity should be therefore closer to 50 than to 10 units/day. Misc FUDTo state the obvious: a) there are no A1 chips available - nowhere in the world, and consequently b) Bitmine is not mining with customer's rig. Hope this helps to limit the current speculation. Please understand that I can't be more specific than this, but I am quite confident that we will hear significant news from Bitmine officials soon. Happy New Year, zefir Thanks Zefir! Amazing the fact with the packaging company. |
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I do also work in a Swiss company, and there nobody cares about (public) Holidays if things go south.
And being late three weeks with actually no evidence of any light at the end of the tunnel (no update about the chips, no gui previews, just nothing) is pretty much messing things up.
As CEO I would really wory about my reputation - or just have to life with the fact, that my company is as bad as any other currently in the market out there. So nothing about swiss quality and puncuality.
After two or three longer phone calls, I thought I heard them say that part of the assembly is done in north italy, and NOT in swizerland. (but sorry I am really not sure I maybe misunderstood that) Official headquarters of bitmine.ch is located in the southern part of swiss. What they call "italian switzerland". They speak italian there as you know. Hm, I don't want to spread any FUD... but I am not sure about anything anymore. Too many unknown parameters to make an educated guess. Where is the hardware? Is it really assembled in switzerland? Who creates the software? Has it not been created yet? At this moment there is not even a draft of the basic software functionality available as screenshot? We have nice 3d renderings of the rigs, alright. I got an Avalon Clone some month ago. The production was always in Italy - this was same with the Avalons but they are running & the work seems really good they did there. I guess the software is some simple linux implemented autostart cgminer with apache for the webinterface - so it should not be a big thing at all. Look at the KNC webinterface - it`s too a simple thing & nothing special. About all other things.... all isn`t clear anymore - why do the chips ever have to leave Germany or EU? Can`t you find a fu**ing packaging company here when chips are produced locally & finally where are the chips from November (Dezember batch) - as one of their early clients I still calculate 3. Dezember as delievery date like they stated in their blog. We are also perfectly on schedule for December delivery as we have agreements already in place with the foundry for the first run of production and our slots are already confirmed. A new page has been turned yesterday in the Bitcoin mining history, as Innosilicon - a global leader in high speed mixed signal design and the strategic IP partner selected by Bitmine to develop their advanced CoinCraft A1 28nm ASIC mining chip core – sent to Global Foundries the GDS data for the tape out process that will eventually lead to the delivery of the first lot of ASICs in the last week of November 2013. In the meantime, the pre-order queue will be the only available option and the shipping queue will continue to be filled till we reach the limits of our production capacity, although 95% of all deliveries will commence between December 3rd and December 17th. Funny thing again, no ASIC manufacter actually delievers and the difficulty explode  |
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Oh didn`t read this... why you want to take a lawyer? In my opinion you should not buy mining equipment when you think your investment have to see a ROI. No chance for a win in this situation - let`s say your speculation doesn`t went good at all BUT finally you should receive more hashing power as contracted. Situation is bad for everybody - so stay chilled. The really painfull thing with bitmine - first they stated a lot of shit... like they are the best, look after clients, swiss punctuality, overdelievery in November, 3. Dezember & finally this whole thing turned all otherwise. All angry clients are fucked up due bitmines lack of OPEN communications (mail & phone support is good). Their blog is full spammed with uninteresting news (USA dealer, China dealer, & so on) - all interesting things turned out to be finally not true (delievery date for example). When I saw the video on 23. November I just feel that they are weeks behind their stated dates & plans - no way to get delievered this year or even see a return of my investment when paid a half year ago for a complete other product. Mountains, cows, cheese, watches and high late technology: this is Switzerland, where Bitmine’s headquarters is located. Simply NOT compare bitmine with Rolex, think they are a typical bitcoin mining hardware producer - till now nothing special & you are fine. |
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delivery starting from the 16th December Delivery has been delayed until mid January
What happened to the "Dec 16" shipping date? Was there ever a real chance Bitmine could ship by Dec 16, or is this one of those 'promise to deliver early to get more $$$, then fall back on the fine print and deliver a month (maybe two months) later" bait-and-switch scams? Is it too early to start talking to lawyers and demanding refunds of all the Bitcoins I could have been mining since Dec 16? I can remember when the promoted their sales that they were talking about overdelievery (last week of November shipping), best manufacture, swiss punctuality & such shit. There are people now waiting over a half year for their miners ...seems again the next guys fucking their customers & look that their HW will never ROI. If you look at their statements & finally the posting in their blogs you see that the chips are nearly a month late - when looking at the difficulty rise the last week & coming step, it seems somebody "unknown" has massive demand on fast new ASICs... but who knows. I copied this from their blog & now everybody can see - their date was 3. DEZ for shipping or NOV for overdelievery: The complete units will be delivered in the first half of December 2013 while the bulk A1 chips are available to major buyers as early as from the last week of November 2013. In the meantime, the pre-order queue will be the only available option and the shipping queue will continue to be filled till we reach the limits of our production capacity, although 95% of all deliveries will commence between December 3rd and December 17th. Somehow hard to believe that story again, when you see the diff.-increase & nearly know to 100% that no other producer is shipping now... or did BFL start?  joke of the week |
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All orders from this week left our house |
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Has anyone had any problems paying BITMINE for rigs? I ask because my bank have said that the SWIFT/BIC code they give in their payment receipt is flagged in their systems as invalid.
No, it was working for me and friends - maybe contact them to check if there are some problems. |
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