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1461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ultimate Bitcoin Stress Test - Monday June 22nd - 13:00 GMT on: June 20, 2015, 06:07:36 PM
Conclusions
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At this point the backlog of transactions will be approximately 241 blocks, or 1.67 days. When the average new transactions are factored into the equation, the backlog could drag on for 2-3 days. At this point, questions are raised such as whether or not this will cause a "crash landing." It is impossible to know with certainty, however we are anxiously looking forward to Monday.


Even though I highly support stress tests because they show real world effects due to the flooding,
I'm not too sure I support lagging the system for 1.5 to 3 days (theoretically).
A backlog of that long has repercussions that could hurt users in unexpected ways (ex. merchants).

Why can this not be done on the testnet? 3 day long backlog is too long for an active used network.
1462  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: blockchain private key on: June 20, 2015, 05:47:10 PM
When i add a new wallet to my blockchain, they just give me an address, they just give me another address, they dont give me the private key for it, if i lose my identifier and i cant login to blockchain,how do I get back my money? can i use the private key of the original address and import the details to another client?

If you are looking for your private keys in the blockchain.info wallet.

Log into your blockchain.info account.
Near the top, click import/export. Click that you understand.
On the left hand side, click on Export Unencrypted.
Under the drop down box: Select private key format, select Bitcoin-Qt Format.

Within the file, are all your addresses and their corresponding private keys.

Hope this helps.

1463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Black Holes and it's effect on price on: June 19, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
The price of bitcoin is based on what people are willing to pay, currently, on the exchanges.
If over time, many bitcoins are lost to the blackhole, that is less bitcoins that can be placed on those exchanges.

Not only will the halvings cause less bitcoins to enter the economy, but also the blackhole bitcoins.
Price is always based on supply. Supply goes down, price goes up. That is pretty much it, in theory.

When will you see an actual effect due to lost coins?
Probably far in the future when 90% of all coins are mined and we all see how many coins are actually circulating.



Yes we can set a more accurate formula for monetary inflation on bitcoin:

 Yearly inflation from minting - Yearly bitcoins lost in blackholes = Actual yearly inflation.

I said in my previous post that if the blackholes swallow more bitcoins than it gets mined, then we will see a price increase.

However we dont necessarly have to wait until 90% mining completion, since bitcoin is getting more centralized, newbies lose all their coins to gambling sites or exchanges all the time, thus eventually the bitcoins will be held by less and less people.

It's easier for a gambling site to accidentally destroy 10.000 bitcoins by forgetting private key, than for 100.000 newbies who hold 0.1 BTC isn't it?

So the more centralized the ownership it becomes, the more bitcoin will be lost eventually.

Price is always based on supply. Supply goes down, price goes up. That is pretty much it, in theory.

Haha that is not true, that is Keynesian woodoo economics BS.

Price =  Demand / Supply.


While Supply is generally precise and measurable, Demand is more subjective and harder to measure, but demand is not always correlated with supply. In most cases it isnt.
The demand for a bread can be high, if the supply truck is stuck in the mud and it will delay 2 weeks, the price will still stay high and not move to equilibrium.
Demand and supply are in most cases not moving in parralel. That is some inefficiency of the markets.

When I stated price was based on supply, I was referring to how many bitcoin's were in circulation and on exchanges.
The theory that price = supply/demand, is common sense.
I did not mention demand because as supply decreases, demand will have to go up, otherwise blackhole bitcoins have no effect on future prices.
If bitcoin has no demand, then supply is worthless. Thus no need to mention demand in this bitcoin blackhole thought experiment.
1464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Black Holes and it's effect on price on: June 19, 2015, 08:10:26 PM
The price of bitcoin is based on what people are willing to pay, currently, on the exchanges.
If over time, many bitcoins are lost to the blackhole, that is less bitcoins that can be placed on those exchanges.

Not only will the halvings cause less bitcoins to enter the economy, but also the blackhole bitcoins.
Price is always based on supply. Supply goes down, price goes up. That is pretty much it, in theory.

When will you see an actual effect due to lost coins?
Probably far in the future when 90% of all coins are mined and we all see how many coins are actually circulating.

1465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you use your paper wallets for? on: June 19, 2015, 05:46:46 PM
I just found out that you can't withdraw a designated amount of Bitcoin from paper wallets, you can only sweep or import them.

This seems kind of weird to me. What is the point of a paper wallet if its sole purpose is to later on be swept clean of its coins? If security is an issue, wouldn't it make more sense to have a software bitcoin wallet that runs off an encrypted usb drive?


You've had some really great responses in this thread. In my view, paper wallets are inferior to the double-flashdrive approach.

Just keep your wallet.dat files on 2 drives stored in separate locations. Then, keep a bitcoin client "containing dust" fully synchronized on your machine on the ready.

Now, when you need to make a withdrawal, close the client, copy over your USB wallet.dat, reopen client and make withdrawal, then reverse the process to restore the dust wallet. Keep one flashdrive hidden and one within easy grasp.

Interesting. Would that be considered a multi signature wallet?

I just setup a wallet that I'm thinking is super-secure. Basically, I have Multibit and my wallet files/keys running off a usb drive. The drive is then encrypted using a piece of software called VeraCrypt. I'm thinking that this wallet is near impossible to crack. The password to the drive is ginormous and since Veracrypt takes about 10 seconds to verify the password is correct, it won't likely be bruteforce-able. The wallet is still easily accessible for me because I can get the usb drives password quickly using another app called 1Password.

In reference to 1Password, check this out:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/serious-os-x-and-ios-flaws-let-hackers-steal-keychain-1password-contents/

What you have described sounds reasonable otherwise. Maybe not use computer software to store your passwords.
Also make sure you have a backup somewhere else, for your USBs.
I'll keep using paperwallets in the mean time..
1466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 19, 2015, 12:35:59 AM
There is a nine (9) minute period (according to blockchain.info) from block 361241 and block 361242.
That is a nine minute period where, what you are saying is, or i believe,
(1) there are no transactions in the memepool, which can't be correct since there were a few thousand unconfirmed transactions pending, or
(2) the miner found the block within seconds of the prior and thus no transactions were added.

Both situations, i do not believe, apply here.
The situations that I described, mostly the second one, are the primary reason for empty blocks. There are exceptions to this, obviously. Sometimes a miner may actually be consciously refusing to add transactions and mined an empty blocks. This could be for a variety of reasons, e.g. reduce bandwidth, but we won't know unless they tell us. Either way, it is not an attack on the blockchain (how would it be?).

Ok. I personally don't think it is an attack on the network.
I think they are just refusing to add transactions to get a leg up over the other miners time wise.
I have heard and others too (see prior posts) that miners might do this in protest of the rising MB cap issue.
I don't know if this is true or not.

I have noticed and suspect that they are doing it more often then in the past. Intentionally.
But I don't have the skill or know how to data mine the blockchain and prove or disprove if it is increasing (empty blocks).
1467  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 11:56:38 PM
I'm not going to pretend that I fully understand what you are saying.
Here is a screenshot my data that day.
Are you saying that the three low size blocks (0.0%) within this bottlenecking is normal?

yes

Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.
It has been going on since Bitcoin began and has always existed. Just look at the first hundred or thousand blocks. They are all empty blocks because Satoshi was both the only person mining and the only person on the Bitcoin network.

We understand that. The question is how can this happen nowadays with more than 100,000 daily transactions and a large bunch of miners all other the planet.

I wonder if this could have been done on purpose, with 2 miners working together, one "idling" his computer when it's about to complete the mining of a block, and only releasing it one second after his friend had mined a block. Do I have a crazy imagination, or is this possible?

Possible, but unlikely. This happens nowadays because of randomness.

Let me explain. Miners are really only hashing the block header. The block header contains several fields, of relevance here are the merkle root and the nonce. The merkle root is the hash of all of the transactions included in the block. If there are no transactions except the coinbase, the merkle root will be the coinbase transaction's hash. The nonce is a 32 bit integer which the miner will iterate through all of its possibilities until the header's hash is below the target hash. Additionally, there is another field in the coinbase called the extranonce which some miners will also use. This is also iterated through to change the merkle root to find the hash that is less than the target. When mining, only these two fields will change in order to have on changing variable. Everything else, including the merkle root and thus the transactions in the block, stays constant while the miner iterates through the nonces and extranonces. If none of the nonces and extranonces produce a hash that is lower than the target, they will rebuild the entire header, a new timestamp, new merkle root by including transactions, and so on. Then the miner repeats the process again.

A miner begins mining on a block after the previous was found when there are no transactions of high enough priority. It will create the header with a merkle root that has only 1 transaction, the coinbase. It then goes through all of the nonces and extranonces to find the hash lower than the target. Sometimes it will find the hash without going through the entire set of nonces and extranonces and thus the merkle root and the transactions in the block will remain at 1 transaction. If it iterates the entire set and doesn't find the hash, which is very very likely, then it rebuilds as I said above and suddenly, there are now transactions included in the next block header it attempts to hash. Most empty blocks are found within a few seconds after the previous block because the miner was lucky enough to not have to change the merkle root to find the block.

There is a nine (9) minute period (according to blockchain.info) from block 361241 and block 361242.
That is a nine minute period where, what you are saying is, or i believe,
(1) there are no transactions in the memepool, which can't be correct since there were a few thousand unconfirmed transactions pending, or
(2) the miner found the block within seconds of the prior and thus no transactions were added.

Both situations, i do not believe, apply here.
1468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 10:50:37 PM
Here is what i kept track of from the 6/16/15, according to blockchain.info.
Note that this is not all the blocks that day. This is just what I was messing with a few days back.

Block#  -  Miner  -  # of tx other than coinbase:
361167 - Antpool - 0 tx
361174 - Eligius - 0 tx
361181 - Antpool - 0 tx
361216 - F2Pool - 0 tx
361242 - 101.251.203.6 - 1 tx
361244 - AntPool - 0 tx
361247 - 78.47.143.154 - 1 tx

Seems on purpose to me.
Not really. With the exception of a two, those blocks were mined within a couple of seconds to about 2 minutes of the previous one before it. This means that the miner did not need to rebuild the block after they began mining on the previous block. When they began, there were no transactions with high enough priority in the mempool to put into the block, so that block had no transactions in it. Then, they were able to find the nonce without exceeding both the nonce and extranonce values so there was no reason to create a new block header with a merkle root that included more transactions.

Somewhere in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0 someone created and published (I think) a script that looks for all of the empty blocks.

I'm not going to pretend that I fully understand what you are saying.
Here is a screenshot my data that day.
Are you saying that the three low size blocks (0.0%) within this bottlenecking is normal?
1469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 10:30:11 PM
Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.
It has been going on since Bitcoin began and has always existed. Just look at the first hundred or thousand blocks. They are all empty blocks because Satoshi was both the only person mining and the only person on the Bitcoin network.

I'm not referring to Satoshi and when there were basement miners and there were a few transactions a day.
I'm referring to the beginning of pools competing. Did they always choose when to fill blocks, or is that recent?
I don't know. I arrived late 2013, early 2014.

Edit: I've watch the blockchin.info blocks found since I started and don't recall seeing so many 0 transaction blocks.
        Some days I see 10 of more.


Are all the 0 transaction blocks that you have recently seen from the same pool? I heard a rumor that a pool might refuse to put any transactions in the blocks it mined as a protest over the block size debate that's been going on. It was only a rumor and probably fake but it would be interesting if all those blocks were from the same pool.

I'm not a programmer and all that, so I can't automate some python script to find that answer, or whatever the programmers say.. lol.
But I can do it by hand for yesterday, I'll take a quick glance and report back.

Sorry, I was wrong, the pool with IP 54.69.13.36 mined the block referred to in the OP and also block 361525 afterwards which contains 2149 transactions. It cannot be to do with a protest.

https://blockchain.info/block-height/361525

Here is what i kept track of from the 6/16/15, according to blockchain.info.
Note that this is not all the blocks that day. This is just what I was messing with a few days back.

Block#  -  Miner  -  # of tx other than coinbase:
361167 - Antpool - 0 tx
361174 - Eligius - 0 tx
361181 - Antpool - 0 tx
361216 - F2Pool - 0 tx
361242 - 101.251.203.6 - 1 tx
361244 - AntPool - 0 tx
361247 - 78.47.143.154 - 1 tx

Seems on purpose to me.

Edit: I would like to add that all the above blocks were found during a time of slight bottleneck in unconfirmed transactions.
        That is why I was saving this data and looking at it. Most blocks were full (700 to 900kb caps) but then a empty block appears.
1470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 10:20:06 PM
Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.
It has been going on since Bitcoin began and has always existed. Just look at the first hundred or thousand blocks. They are all empty blocks because Satoshi was both the only person mining and the only person on the Bitcoin network.

I'm not referring to Satoshi and when there were basement miners and there were a few transactions a day.
I'm referring to the beginning of pools competing. Did they always choose when to fill blocks, or is that recent?
I don't know. I arrived late 2013, early 2014.

Edit: I've watch the blockchin.info blocks found since I started and don't recall seeing so many 0 transaction blocks.
        Some days I see 10 of more.


Are all the 0 transaction blocks that you have recently seen from the same pool? I heard a rumor that a pool might refuse to put any transactions in the blocks it mined as a protest over the block size debate that's been going on. It was only a rumor and probably fake but it would be interesting if all those blocks were from the same pool.

I'm not a programmer and all that, so I can't automate some python script to find that answer, or whatever the programmers say.. lol.
But I can do it by hand for yesterday, I'll take a quick glance and report back.
1471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.
It has been going on since Bitcoin began and has always existed. Just look at the first hundred or thousand blocks. They are all empty blocks because Satoshi was both the only person mining and the only person on the Bitcoin network.

I'm not referring to Satoshi and when there were basement miners and there were a few transactions a day.
I'm referring to the beginning of pools competing. Did they always choose when to fill blocks, or is that recent?
I don't know. I arrived late 2013, early 2014.

Edit: I've watched the blockchin.info blocks found since I started and don't recall seeing so many 0 transaction blocks.
        Some days I see 10 or more.

Edit: spelling errors and etc all over..  Tongue
1472  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 10:03:47 PM
This has been going on for awhile now. Like a 3-4 weeks maybe.
Those miners are not adding transactions to get the block faster.
Kind of cheap, but I think someone started it, and now other follow randomly.

Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.

someone may be attacking the network by finding blocks but not publishing them immediately. then when they have found 3 blocks in a row they would publish them all at once to reverse the transactions of last 2 published blocks since the attacker has a longer block chain.

I don't think so because the miners are in a race to find the nonce and publish that block first, to get the reward.
For someone to find multiple blocks and not publish on purpose to perform doublespends or etc, would be too powerful.
That miner(s) would have massive mining power beyond all other pools/farms.
More profitable for them to, if they actually had that power, to mine regularly since they would beat everyone all day long, everyday to the 25 btc reward.

1473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There was just a block with 0 transactions, is Bitcoin forking or something? on: June 18, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
This has been going on for awhile now. Like a 3-4 weeks maybe.
Those miners are not adding transactions to get the block faster.
Kind of cheap, but I think someone started it, and now other follow randomly.

Edit: To clarify, I have not noticed those 0 transactions blocks till recently, so it is possible this has existed since the beginning of mining.
1474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you use your paper wallets for? on: June 18, 2015, 09:13:13 PM
I just found out that you can't withdraw a designated amount of Bitcoin from paper wallets, you can only sweep or import them.

This seems kind of weird to me. What is the point of a paper wallet if its sole purpose is to later on be swept clean of its coins? If security is an issue, wouldn't it make more sense to have a software bitcoin wallet that runs off an encrypted usb drive?

Well you can withdraw a designated amount.
You need to import the paper wallet into a software/hardware/online wallet, choose the "designated amount", and transfer.
After that, you would then delete your privatekey from the software/hardware/online wallet, to "retain the paper wallet".
But since you have used some of your paper wallet on a online computer, it is now vulnerable to a thief (malware, loggers, etc).

But of course, as soon as you entered the privatekey into any computer to send the "designated amount", you just made the paper wallet useless.
You should transfer all remaining funds on that paper wallet to another paper wallet (you should be generating all paper wallets offline).

Technically, you are supposed to transfer your btc to a new address after each transaction, whether paper wallet or not.
1475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adam Back's email to Mike and Gavin on: June 18, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
Anyone who is pro-blacklisting pretty much in my mind doesn't really care about bitcoin.
Blacklisting coins or "working" with governments to "freeze" certain addresses or coins, pretty much renders bitcoin useless.
I thought Satoshi created this "experiment" so that governing bodies can not regulate or control our money?
What happened to all that? What about being your own bank?

Blacklisting coins opens a pandora's box that I think is unimaginable and quite sad for bitcoin's future.
1476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I think I found Satoshi's latest message --- Sent a message on 2-2-2014 on: June 18, 2015, 01:55:53 AM
That could be posted by some guy that is pretending to be Satoshi. Most of the people claiming to be Satoshi can't prove it and are pretending or trolling.
Why would he sign his message with "love"? That just seems odd.
And wasn't his latest message "I am not Dorian Nakamoto" posted in March 2014?
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ye0gncqg772o

Come on guys... clearly Satoshi wants us all to buy NXT.  Wink

1477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adam Back's email to Mike and Gavin on: June 17, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
Mike & Gavin are desperate to get the full control of the source code by XT fork, so that they can implement address blacklisting to make the regulatory bodies happy.

Blacklisting coins/addresses subverts Satoshi's original intention.

Do you have proof or statements made, that point toward that being their ultimate intention?
1478  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: LOTS of SharedCoin transactions over the past day on: June 17, 2015, 10:23:37 PM
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Last night I was browsing blockchain.info and I saw a much larger share of mixing transactions (SharedCoin) than I ever recall seeing before.  I only looked at trx over $30,000 (and also browsed a couple of blocks), and found that most of them were mixed.  Here is an example of a transaction I just found at blockchain.info:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6f964a43ce61e3a2a40982d57c3f4b1f0e1bf6e5d0f863fe7003bd4aaccc206c
I saw a couple of very large transactions, over $200,000.  But, since the largest amounts "out" matched the amounts going "in", I would guess that those transactions were not well hidden.
Is there any reason for such an increase in SharedCoin mixing transactions that any of you can comment on?
*   *   *
It is not easy to ID bitmixer transactions, at least for me.

You are right. There is massive mixing going on here.
You can never really know the truth since it could be mixed all over the place,
but I see a darknet market, a few exchanges, a gambling site and loads of deposits.

So I'm gonna guess and say its a dark market mixing their deposits/coins... but of course it could be anything/anyone.

Edit: added "be"

After looking again, I think my earlier prediction was wrong, I think its BTC-E.com.
1479  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: LOTS of SharedCoin transactions over the past day on: June 17, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
...
Last night I was browsing blockchain.info and I saw a much larger share of mixing transactions (SharedCoin) than I ever recall seeing before.  I only looked at trx over $30,000 (and also browsed a couple of blocks), and found that most of them were mixed.  Here is an example of a transaction I just found at blockchain.info:
https://blockchain.info/tx/6f964a43ce61e3a2a40982d57c3f4b1f0e1bf6e5d0f863fe7003bd4aaccc206c
I saw a couple of very large transactions, over $200,000.  But, since the largest amounts "out" matched the amounts going "in", I would guess that those transactions were not well hidden.
Is there any reason for such an increase in SharedCoin mixing transactions that any of you can comment on?
*   *   *
It is not easy to ID bitmixer transactions, at least for me.

You are right. There is massive mixing going on here.
You can never really know the truth since it could be mixed all over the place,
but I see a darknet market, a few exchanges, a gambling site and loads of deposits.

So I'm gonna guess and say its a dark market mixing their deposits/coins... but of course it could be anything/anyone.

Edit: added "be"
1480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miners are all hitting close to the cap currently on: June 17, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
One thing I've noticed is that the recent price surge in bitcoin has been accompanied by even larger surges with many of the alts. I awoke to see Litecoin had shot up 30% yesterday, and most of the rest have also been going up more strongly than bitcoin itself. Which implies that money is flowing into bitcoin, and from there into altcoins.

But why? Is the block size limit debate scaring people into hedging by buying altcoins just in case bitcoin starts suffering? If that were true I'd expect to see bitcoin's price deflate at the expense of the alts. Something else is going on here, on a fairly broad scale.

Yes, many alts have risen very fast. Kind of surprising since I thought the days of alts were dead from the $1000 crash.
I assumed most people learned their lessons (Most coins fail or are scams).
After that crash, most altcoins failed or crashed and many altcoin trading sites went out of business.

Surprised that btc is going back into them.
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