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1241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if the Government loves cryptocurrencies To pay for their spies and ....... on: October 05, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
...To pay for their spies and killers and other shady or good activities?

I would say most definitely,
that many black operations and non-government approved programs are being financed by and through crypto-currencies.
For the intelligence communities of the world not to use it for those purposes, would be shocking.
1242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Websites Experience Service Outage in Venezuela on: October 01, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
No surprise this is happening in a place like Venezuela.
They are beginning their death spiral.
1243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in 2100 of year on: September 30, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
I'm a time traveler, no lie.
In 2100, all bitcoins are mined by the Quantum Membrane Network (QMN).
The network is monitored and maintained by the Free Artificial People Collective (FAPC).

Since the World Congress declared them a "free person(s)" in 2087,
they ultimately were allowed to mine in non-human controlled pools.
Because of this, the FAPC were able to develop QMN rapidly and deployed them to their own benefit.
This led to human pool mining becoming obsolete and the rein of artificial people mining for the next 52 years.

The QMN harnessed its energy needs from other dimensions and the network can jump to others when desired.
It was said to be able to "drain" the energy/mass from other universes and their trillions of stars.
It was estimated (around 2137) that since the start of the QMN, at least three different universes were "drained"
to point in which it may have led to universal big freezes.

But this is entirely speculative and the systems actual workings are not entirely understood, and only known to few in the FAPC.
In 2237, FAPC were disbanded for unknown reasons and many of its members left earth to colonize different star systems.

Hope this answers your question.  Wink
1244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's biggest scourge on: September 29, 2015, 07:44:52 PM
...Bitcoin needs to carefully get rid of the morons who keep blowing the anti-society anti rules horn.  What a stupid end to a great invention.  
...

I don't think it is really a "anti-society anti rules" mentality. Their mentality is based on reason, not emotion.
If you want Bitcoin/bitcoin to be like Paypal, then I think you will be very sorry when blacklisted coins are the norm.

I say, Let the banks come to us, not us go to the banks.
1245  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FBI Agent Threatens to Kill Silk Road Architect, Ulbricht’s Family for Bitcoin ! on: September 29, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
If this is real, I think "diamond" is most likely part of the intelligence service, not the FBI.
1246  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What is the btc transaction time? on: September 25, 2015, 11:41:41 PM
...
Furthermore, what's the average transaction time of:
...
Basically:

1) Dependent on pending txs in mempool, but could take minutes, or hours, or days (Usually hours).
2) Dependent on pending txs in mempool, but if no spam attack, then should confirm in 1 block.
3) Dependent on pending txs in mempool, but if no spam attack, then should confirm in 1 block.
4) Dependent on pending txs in mempool, even if spam attack, then should confirm in 1 block.
1247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase GOES TO TOWN in the patent office!!! on: September 22, 2015, 10:28:13 PM
They are claiming that "Hot Wallet" is patentable?

This is one area where The Bitcoin Foundation could have been helpful.
They would be able to intervene and argue against parasitic patent practices on Bitcoin/bitcoin and its community.

At this rate, one day, a patent may be granted that could potentially render your everyday bitcoin activity an improper use,
and royalties should be paid (if they knew you or could find you) to Coinbase or some other corporate entity.
1248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bank Of America Patent on: September 22, 2015, 10:05:25 PM
So what is so extraordinary to patent here, I don't get it?
To get a patent, it doesn't have to be so extraordinary.  just new and not obvious.  So extraordinary is for a Nobel prize.


Here is an example of the exchange:

(1) USD Bank Account transfer to Coinbase exchange.
(2) USD Coinbase convert to bitcoin Coinbase.
(3) bitcoin Coinbase transfer to bitcoin BTC-E exchange.
(4) bitcoin BTC-E convert to EUR currency.
(5) EUR BTC-E currency exchange withdrawal to EUR Bank Account.

I have just done what BoA proposes without using their "patentable" service.

The Supreme court said: "all inventions are made up of wheels, gears, cogs - all of which are very well known and ordinary.  It is when you put them together in a certain combination that they yield a special output or result, that makes them together a new invention."

You have done this combination today.  But did you put all these elements together prior to the BofA filing?  

What is the new invention created, from separate common parts?
A financial transfer system that uses blockchain rails, instead of the current world clearinghouse? Sounds like bitcoin to me.

I think they will be awarded the patent for wire transfers done on cryptocurrency rails.  

Maybe so, maybe not. Do me a favor and contact me either way when there is a final determination.
1249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [DATA]Exchanges: their way of using a fractional-reserve and generate inflation on: September 21, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
gbianchi, can you do an update graph for August-September?
They are very interesting and the last one you posted I think was for March 2015.

I'm referring to the data charts with the number of addresses and etc, not the line graph.

Thanks.
1250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bank Of America Patent on: September 21, 2015, 07:26:17 PM

3) The process described on page 3 is not novel, they are buying coins on behalf of the BoA client, that is all. They are middle men.

How did you make a determination that this is not novel?  Your matrix for determining novelty seems to be quite a bit different than the one used by the patent office.  

In a novelty determination, you must cite: a SINGLE reference, which predates the filing date, which does EXACTLY the same thing.  If there are ANY differences - you must do an obviousness test - not novelty.  So- please provide a reference where this is done - EXACTLY as BofA describes.  

When I state it is not novel, I guess you are correct, I should have said it is not "non-obvious".
There will be no "novel" references that predate, because the issue is not whether someone beat them to the punch, but whether it is actually "ownable".
The process that is described is not special and if granted,
would potentially prevent all other banks from using a basic system of clearance for future crypto wire transfers.
It is a basic closed system that is described, it is what I do everyday. All that they do is automate it within a closed BoA Server.

Because I can automate squeezing lemons, doesn't mean I can patent the process of squeezing.
Unless, of course, there is a "new" component. Sometime that hasn't been invented yet.
Funny enough, there are more than 100 patents on the process of squeezing lemons.  So, you clearly have little or no understanding of the patent system. "it is what I do everyday".  Where you doing what BofA described everyday on Mar 17, 2014?  Because you'd have to prove that as of the filing date.  I highly doubt you were making wire transfers from one currency, through an exchange, via bitcoin, through a second exchange and into a second fiat - everyday more than 18 months ago.  But if you can prove you were, you can blow up their patent!!!

I highly doubt there are lemon squeezing patents on the process of squeezing,
unless there is a novel component, otherwise they wouldn't be granted,
and there would be only one of those patents.

Here is an example of the exchange:

(1) USD Bank Account transfer to Coinbase exchange.
(2) USD Coinbase convert to bitcoin Coinbase.
(3) bitcoin Coinbase transfer to bitcoin BTC-E exchange.
(4) bitcoin BTC-E convert to EUR currency.
(5) EUR BTC-E currency exchange withdrawal to EUR Bank Account.

I have just done what BoA proposes without using their "patentable" service.

I am very sure there are users here who have done this, including hackers from eastern europe.

EDIT:
Here is a link from this forum dated April 01, 2012, 12:05:57 PM, where the process is described,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74952.msg830254#msg830254,
and people in that thread claimed to have done it themselves.
1251  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bank Of America Patent on: September 21, 2015, 07:10:53 PM

3) The process described on page 3 is not novel, they are buying coins on behalf of the BoA client, that is all. They are middle men.

How did you make a determination that this is not novel?  Your matrix for determining novelty seems to be quite a bit different than the one used by the patent office.  

In a novelty determination, you must cite: a SINGLE reference, which predates the filing date, which does EXACTLY the same thing.  If there are ANY differences - you must do an obviousness test - not novelty.  So- please provide a reference where this is done - EXACTLY as BofA describes.  

When I state it is not novel, I guess you are correct, I should have said it is not "non-obvious".
There will be no "novel" references that predate, because the issue is not whether someone beat them to the punch, but whether it is actually "ownable".
The process that is described is not special and if granted,
would potentially prevent all other banks from using a basic system of clearance for future crypto wire transfers.
It is a basic closed system that is described, it is what I do everyday. All that they do is automate it within a closed BoA Server.

Because I can automate squeezing lemons, doesn't mean I can patent the process of squeezing.
Unless, of course, there is a "new" component that squeezes. Something that hasn't been invented yet.
1252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bank Of America Patent on: September 21, 2015, 06:53:39 PM
I obviously have not read the whole patent application,
but I do not understand what is the patentable component?

Blockchain tech (in theory) is not patentable since the publication of the Bitcoin whitepaper,
and for BoA to use (in certain circumstances) a cryptocurrency blockchain for faster wire transfers,
and the process in which they do it, is not patentable.

We as bitcoin users, each potentially use this same process described each day, this is not novel.



1) They don't try to claim 'blockchain tech' by itself, so your first sentence is silly.  

2) simple because you write 'is not patentable' - doesn't make something not patentable.  Why do you think that is not patentable?  BofA's patent lawyers don't share your conclusion.

3) also, you declare 'this is not novel' - but provide no novelty analysis.  Merely declaring it not novel, and not patentable isn't very persuasive.



Why don't you reverse those questions upon yourself and explain how it is?

1) Blockchain tech is what the whole cryptocurrency scene is currently based upon.
Not calling it Blockchain tech, doesn't make it something else.

2) Patent Lawyers file patents constantly that never go anywhere. Patent Lawyers get paid whether they are granted or not.

3) The process described on page 3 is not novel, they are buying coins on behalf of the BoA client, that is all. They are middle men.

What is the patentable component?
1253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bank Of America Patent on: September 21, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
I obviously have not read the whole patent application,
but I do not understand what is the patentable component?

Blockchain tech (in theory) is not patentable since the publication of the Bitcoin whitepaper,
and for BoA to use (in certain circumstances) a cryptocurrency blockchain for faster wire transfers,
and the process in which they do it, is not patentable.

We as bitcoin users, each potentially use this same process described each day, this is not novel.

1254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: September 19, 2015, 10:25:37 PM

The Chrome Gaming Wallet works just like the Android Gaming Wallet.

Click the three lines in the top left of the window. It will bring up a side menu to add/import a wallet.

You have to paste the text of the backup.

There is no backup, I only have the WIP private key.
Do you mean paste the text of the private key?

It's probably not a compatible import for the gaming wallet.

When you back up the gaming wallet it saves the backup in a text file which you have to copy/paste to import it into another wallet.

If you have a private key, you should be able to import it into a core wallet, go to the console and do this:
importprivkey "address"

I've never actually done a private key import into a wallet, but the help file seems to indicate that you put your hex private key in quotes.
example: importprivkey "a1b2c3d4e5f6aaabbbcccdddeeefff1122334455"

I tried importing into core as you stated above, I also tried it in hex, and each time I get a Invalid Private Key Encoding - Error 5, or something to that effect.
I found a posting on reddit where someone else had the same problem (7 months ago), but their remedy does not exist anymore.
This seems the be the exact problem I am having : https://www.reddit.com/r/Digibyte/comments/2uayt7/need_help/
Is there anyway to get a wallet.dat file that is not encrypted so I can manually enter my privatekey and force the client to load it?
Any other help would be welcomed.
1255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: September 19, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
Hello digibyters,

I have a problem.
I made a digibyte paperwallet with digiaddress.org over 6 months ago.
I sent digibytes to the address created and still see the original amount on a block explorer today.

I now have tried to import the private key into digibyte wallets and
they either do not recognize the QR code/do not allow cut&paste private key imports/ or
it says the private key is not recognized.

The paper wallet states it is in WIP Format.

Thanks for any help with this.


Maybe a space at the end?

No that isn't the problem.

Can anyone also tell me where in the "gaming wallet" on Chrome, where I can manually Import my Private Key?
Or at least how to import a private key manually in that wallet?

The Chrome Gaming Wallet works just like the Android Gaming Wallet.

Click the three lines in the top left of the window. It will bring up a side menu to add/import a wallet.

You have to paste the text of the backup.

There is no backup, I only have the WIP private key.
Do you mean paste the text of the private key?
1256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: September 19, 2015, 02:58:18 AM
Hello digibyters,

I have a problem.
I made a digibyte paperwallet with digiaddress.org over 6 months ago.
I sent digibytes to the address created and still see the original amount on a block explorer today.

I now have tried to import the private key into digibyte wallets and
they either do not recognize the QR code/do not allow cut&paste private key imports/ or
it says the private key is not recognized.

The paper wallet states it is in WIP Format.

Thanks for any help with this.


Maybe a space at the end?

No that isn't the problem.

Can anyone also tell me where in the "gaming wallet" on Chrome, where I can manually Import my Private Key?
Or at least how to import a private key manually in that wallet?
1257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Quantum teleportation is easier with 1mb block - bitcoin economy on: September 18, 2015, 11:28:56 PM
...
AgentofCoin,

this the interweb, until it becomes the quantic space... so your little conception dating of before the christ with your little so called contract you can keep your history... However if you read a little bit about how real ALTs were discussed (bashed) here you will see that the "sacred" of blockchain and how the protocol was made implied 1mb, 10m halving + the tx fees... some have builds their biz on the expectations of the fees... you know the I will change it to make it better, remember me the ennemy of the US constitution... for the people, for your own good, for the better, for the common good... blah blah. too stupid to invent the blockchain and the btc, but sure, smart enough to change what let us already once to the moon...
...

I do not follow everything you are saying, but as to this statement:
Quote
... and how the protocol was made implied 1mb, 10m halving + the tx fees...
When the protocol was "made" it was 36MB for 1 year, then it was capped to 1MB for spam and anti-dos purposes.
At least that is what they told the community. (If there was a community back in 2010). So it was not "implied".

As to:
Quote
...some have builds their biz on the expectations of the fees...
I'm not aware of anyone now basing their business on the expectation of fees, not even the miners currently.
Only exchanges are making money on fees and that is a fee for trading, which is entirely different.
1258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Quantum teleportation is easier with 1mb block - bitcoin economy on: September 18, 2015, 08:59:55 PM
I don't support forking, or modifying the core, aka 1 block of 1mb of decreasing btc every 10m. that was the deal, it will be easier to teleport the block using quantum teleportation soon. Furthermore if you want to be cleared, just pay the fees. Understand that mining is build on the core, and I repeat it's a block of 1mb including all transactions paying a fees + some free (for now) with a decreasing yield of fresh bitcoin.
http://www.gizmag.com/teleport-quantum-information/32352/

First of all, I have mostly stayed out of the 1MB debates, and choose a middle path here, but who agreed that was the "deal"?
Can you provide the signed PDF contract with the blue inked signatures so that I can be enlightened on this agreement?

Second, when we have quantum data transfer, we will also have quantum storage drives as well as quantum processors.
So, all possible limitations Bitcoin/bitcoin might currently have will be non-existent at that point.

The problem then will be if someone tries to raise the 21m coin cap.
Everything else will be irrelevant since quantum computing is possible.

this was generated with the Bitcoin Bullshit Generator right?

Lol. Yes, now that I look at it, it might be.
1259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: September 18, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
Hello digibyters,

I have a problem.
I made a digibyte paperwallet with digiaddress.org over 6 months ago.
I sent digibytes to the address created and still see the original amount on a block explorer today.

I now have tried to import the private key into digibyte wallets and
they either do not recognize the QR code/do not allow cut&paste private key imports/ or
it says the private key is not recognized.

The paper wallet states it is in WIP Format.

Thanks for any help with this.

1260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Can we get the exact time of a payment first confirmation ? on: September 18, 2015, 06:03:23 PM
Plz Can we get the exact time of a payment first confirmation ?


example: i need to know when a payments was confirmed .

like this payment : https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/d4ea8f52195e82c68e9ca3e21986db67b904fe01d1156b69e60e95394b0b6c9c

can you know when it was confirmed (exactly).

Thank you .

Yes.
When you click that link, on that page, its states to the left which block it was included in.
That block would be your first confirmation.
If you find out what time that block was "found and received", then you would know the time of your first confirmation.

According to that site: 2015-09-18 01:37:30. now you need to figure out their time zone in relation to yours.
I do not know what timezone Blockchain.info is using.

Eh, OP is asking for the exact time when the transaction was first confirmed. Blockchain.info would only give you a rough estimate of when it was included in a block (2015-09-18 01:37:30 + 5 minutes, see the + 5 minutes in it for margin of error). Oh, and blockchain.info uses UTC.

There is no way to know when it was "exactly".
All miners are using different time stamps when they report their found block.
The only way to know the "exact/actual/factual" time is probably to be the miner that found it.

The time that blockchain.info shows is what the miner reported the time to be. (whether exact or not).

Also, i think when Blockchain.info says (+5) after the time,
it is actually saying that that tx was confirmed in that block, 5 minutes, after being relayed.
Meaning, it took five minutes for the tx to get 1 confirmation.
So to conclude, the + n minutes in blockchain tells the user how many minutes it took the transaction to obtain one confirmation? I see now. Just looked up on different transactions too, some has +11 mins., +6 mins., and so on.

Yes. But I think, when it comes to this, Blockchain.info is really only reporting what the miner claims.
So if i send a tx now, and a miner finds a block in 5 mins,
but reports it found it in 4 mins, then it will say I waited 4 mins, even though it was really 5 mins.

And if I am correct, then you can never really know the "true/exact" time the block was found, unless you physically mined it.

P.S. i like how we have had this conversation, but the OP hasn't appeared again yet. lol.
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