Bittrex not willing to cooperate and rollback the trades? Don't trade there..
I will second that. And somehow the crap keeps piling up on Bittrex. Made so many bad experiences over there, I am fed up. Sorry, but we are an exchange and did exactly what we are designed to do. It is not our fault that someone sold legitimate coins here that you want to invalidate. Do as you please, but I'm not going to do things that are detrimental to our system and users. richie@bittrex Well, I guess that's one opinion on the situation, but I'll wager to say that the majority of honest individuals don't view stolen coins as "legitimate coins".
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You missed the point entirely. Only 0.001% have the economies-of-scale to mine Bitcoin profitably. Sorry your argument fails on the economics of proof-of-work hash functions, unless you can argue there is one that can't be significantly optimized for an ASIC and economies-of-scale for cheaper electricity located next to utility scale hydropower (even free electricity perhaps if you do a handshake and wink in China with a Communist Party official). Whoa... Hold on! Are you telling us that it is entirely possible, if not extremely likely, that the Chinese Communists are in fact subsidizing PoW mining in an effort to undermine the decentralization of Bitcoin and control the currency in the hopes of applying capital controls to the digital economy through underhanded tactics which will further solidify their hegemony? I've been hinting at that for months and finally an astute reader articulates it. If you are wondering who created Bitcoin though, I think more likely the globalist DEEP STATE funded by the $trillions Black Budget and knowing full well they could hide their capture of Bitcoin blaming it on the "enemy". Nick Rockefeller (the one who warned Aaron Russo about 9/11 before it happened) has been spending most of his time in China.
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Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. There is no way to reverse the trades. By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn
thanks, richie@bittrex
I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such. I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.
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Most people don't even realize Bitcoin has it's own decentralized exchange, but it does.
Which only 0.001% of the population can participate in profitably. And it ceases roughly 2033 or unless transaction fees scale up but there is a Tragedy of the Commons dilemma there as well. It doesn't really even matter if it's profitable or not. You can define Bitcoin in one sentence: The purpose of mining is to create a permanent two way peg, decentralized exchange, which thus results in a permissionless system.The economic incentives are a side issue, but seem to work thus far. It's designed to bounce back and forth between profitable and unprofitable. The fact that it's deflationary creates a time opportunity cost reward to generally remain profitable over the long haul. You missed the point entirely. Only 0.001% have the economies-of-scale to mine Bitcoin profitably. Sorry your argument fails on the economics of proof-of-work hash functions, unless you can argue there is one that can't be significantly optimized for an ASIC and economies-of-scale for cheaper electricity located next to utility scale hydropower (even free electricity perhaps if you do a handshake and wink in China with a Communist Party official). Whoa... Hold on! Are you telling us that it is entirely possible, if not extremely likely, that the Chinese Communists are in fact subsidizing PoW mining in an effort to undermine the decentralization of Bitcoin and control the currency in the hopes of applying capital controls to the digital economy through underhanded tactics which will further solidify their hegemony?
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Hey all! I'm the lucky buyer of the vast majority of the 500k. I just caught it on my AGRS Bittrex tab and immediately sent a happy message to Ohad. 03/30/2016 23:47:00 03/14/2016 17:25:40 Limit Buy 0.00011581 14860.70417639 14860.70417639 0.00011580 -1.72532069 03/30/2016 23:46:59 03/17/2016 20:05:02 Limit Buy 0.00020140 14858.49056604 14858.49056604 0.00020139 -2.99998125 03/30/2016 11:46:37 PM SELL 0.00000212 406759.55205231 0.86233025 [this one is incomplete.] I'm an early investor and a friend of Ohad's. I've been holding my coins for well over a year now, and I can assure you these new coins in my possession aren't going to leave my hands any time soon. So this is a nice gift for me, and you can rest assured that once Ohad solves this by issuing the new token, the market will be unaffected. This is all un-provable, of course. I suppose I can take a video of me taking out the rest of the bid at 212 once trading resumes while a few witnesses are watching. Let me know if ya'll care for me to do that. Cheers When you know (and you know) that you purchased something that was stolen, and you even know who it was stolen from (he is your friend?), the ONLY honorable thing would be to return it. In this case, it would even be without you losing a thing, because you would get your money back in full. Doesn't matter how you twist it, that is the ONLY way to show you are not just taking advantage of this whole criminal ordeal.
Dor, I have to agree with Mr.Coinzy. If you keep the stolen tokens that were sold to you, it will leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. Do the right thing here. its not on Elokane to decide to give it back and let others on the buy side keep theirs just because Elokane had a super low buy order. Option A: Anyone on the Bittrex buyside who got dumped on keeps their coins as Dev said. Option B: Bittrex rolls back all trades to the second before the dump happened. I dont care either way though I stand to benefit slightly if there is no roll back. Along with anyone else on the buyside today that got dumped into. I agree that Dor shouldn't be the only one to give up the stolen tokens, but if I was him, I'd be pushing Bittrex to do a rollback on all the trades.
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Hey all! I'm the lucky buyer of the vast majority of the 500k. I just caught it on my AGRS Bittrex tab and immediately sent a happy message to Ohad. 03/30/2016 23:47:00 03/14/2016 17:25:40 Limit Buy 0.00011581 14860.70417639 14860.70417639 0.00011580 -1.72532069 03/30/2016 23:46:59 03/17/2016 20:05:02 Limit Buy 0.00020140 14858.49056604 14858.49056604 0.00020139 -2.99998125 03/30/2016 11:46:37 PM SELL 0.00000212 406759.55205231 0.86233025 [this one is incomplete.] I'm an early investor and a friend of Ohad's. I've been holding my coins for well over a year now, and I can assure you these new coins in my possession aren't going to leave my hands any time soon. So this is a nice gift for me, and you can rest assured that once Ohad solves this by issuing the new token, the market will be unaffected. This is all un-provable, of course. I suppose I can take a video of me taking out the rest of the bid at 212 once trading resumes while a few witnesses are watching. Let me know if ya'll care for me to do that. Cheers When you know (and you know) that you purchased something that was stolen, and you even know who it was stolen from (he is your friend?), the ONLY honorable thing would be to return it. In this case, it would even be without you losing a thing, because you would get your money back in full. Doesn't matter how you twist it, that is the ONLY way to show you are not just taking advantage of this whole criminal ordeal.
Dor, I have to agree with Mr.Coinzy. If you keep the stolen tokens that were sold to you, it will leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. Do the right thing here.
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Right now the pumpers and scammers are locked into this iota project. They should not exit with the huge returns whilst others hold the bags this time.
I wouldn't worry too much about that one.
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I am sure that Mark had bad luck in his activities and that he is not a scammer.
That's right. Mark is a good boy. He's just had some bad luck. Just because he's a pornographic, drug dealing, lying, pigeon racing piece of white trash doesn't make him a scammer.
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5. Yes it is run by the NXT people
Unless you believe that David Sonstebo was BCNext (which is totally implausible), he had nothing to do with NXT. Please stop comparing this IOTA garbage to NXT. Don't drag NXT into this ridiculous charade. CfB might have been hired by BCNext, but according to his own statements, he wasn't BCNext either.
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From what I can see, Iota will be mighty profitable. For initial investors and those investing now
Yeah, that's it. You caught me. I'm so very upset that I didn't purchase any IOTAs from David Sonstebo, the international communist nutjob. You guys will be lucky if you manage to salvage an iota of anything after that mindless nitwit gets done with you.
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I am from Chinese miner,the olny thing I care about is the development plan of this coin.
Pleased to meet you and welcome to BERN. I am an American miner and developer. I am concerned about the leader of the world's largest armed forces. But if that is no concern of yours, perhaps you can grace the coin with some of your limited concern and a vote at c-cex? https://c-cex.com/?id=vote&coin=bernThanks in advance for your help! Stop conspiring with the Chicoms.
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From what I can see, Iota will be mighty profitable. For initial investors and those investing now
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This is the beginning of a new era.
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Dor, when do you expect the Synereo application to go live? We're looking good on all developmental fronts. However, there's one unknown, which is our reliance on the Omni protocol for doing AMP transactions (and particularly micro-transactions). The Omni stack is a bit shaky and we're having a hard time with it, so it's hard to estimate progress. Once we have a good solution for this, it'll be much easier to provide a hard date. That's good to hear. I don't use Facebook or any other centralized social media, but I'm looking forward to using Synereo. Are you going to use a stepping stone blockchain solution for AMPs to bridge the gap between the Omnilayer and the completion and rollout of Casper PoS?
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Dor, when do you expect the Synereo application to go live?
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There is nothing new: the scammers ask more money from the idiots. http://forum.iotatoken.com/t/iota-foundation-announcement/174 After some analysis I have decided to only establish this foundation if we raise close to. 50 million IOTA, which is only ~5% of total iotas. In comparison Ethereum had a ~17% premine. We need such a substantial amount to afford doing all the things we have planned over the coming year (travelling and attending and presenting at the important conferences costs upwards of hundreds of thousands alone).
Every donator will have their honorary mention on IOTA’s official website.
LoL The IOTA scammers collected $500k and now they ask even more to fund "travelling and attending and presenting at the important conferences". Priceless. David boy made the analysis and he feels that instead of delivering anything, he need to lure out more money from the idiots. LoL What a wanker. Since when is it the software purchaser's responsibility to fund the operating expenses of the company that produced the software? I'm I missing something here? Lol
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No worries, we got this. ...image removed for readability... #FeelTheBern #BernieOrBust Wow, just to get them.... Anyway, the system really seems to be corrupt, especially those superdelegates... Yes, superdelegates are a mechanism of corruption. They are elite government officials and groups owned by corporations within a party that are given power to protect the party. Not the people they are suppose to represent. It is a way for parties to prevent grass roots people from ever winning a nomination and allowing the party to control the winner of the nomination. Also, as is the current case and usually is, it is a tactic to make people lose faith in anyone other then who they want to win the nomination and "get in line" with the agenda by padding the books for their puppet. You are correct wersd, it is very corrupt indeed. US politics are in a very disgusting state. This is just one of the changes the BERN political movement is about, not just Bernie Sanders alone. Rooting out the corruption from US politics in all its evil and misrepresenting ways. For far to long voters, especially here in the states, have just surrendered to this corruption and not participated in politics. Lying to themselves and thinking simply not voting, a right many people have died to preserve and others die to gain, is some sort of stance. Fortunately, many people are waking up and understanding that if we don't do politics, politics is doing us. This is evident in many of the record turnouts states are reporting. That in itself is a victory for the BERN political movement but now is no time for congratulations of that achievement. It took a long time for politics to become "We The People Corporations". It will take a long time and many battles to restore it. The only "good" thing about superdelegates, they can change their pledge at will. Hopefully the democratic superdelegates wake up to the fact that Bernie Sanders is the parties only hope of having a fighting chance against any republican this November. #HillaryForPrison2016 surely does not stand a chance as myself and many registered democrats will never vote for her as she herself and her families dynasty are a pillar of corruption #BernDownTheDynasty. My vote is my vote and it will represent my opinion and not be influenced by elitists attempts to misguide me and steer my vote. My only hope is other voters do not fall into line and do with their vote as they have been told to by anyone else. Many Americans do take for granted the power of democracy and their vote. If I can convince one voter to vote their own opinion, regardless of that opinion, for me, BERNcash has been a tremendous success and one I hope marches on past any single election as they themselves are just battles in a bigger war against voting corruption. If you are undecided on who to support in this presidential election, I do urge you to research and fact check on your own and not believe lies that are forced upon you by mass media and the misguidance of superdelegates to think your single vote can not change the establishment. If you have honestly formulated your own and different opinion than supporting Bernie Sanders, I thank you and I do respect your vote as much as I do my own. Please vote! Even though I disagree with your political sentiments, you make some good points with which I agree.
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I'm kind of sad this is 2kool...
Mainly because this level of flip-flopping is just insane - he was the biggest NXT supporter on the planet, nothing NXT could do was wrong, he'd defend the code and everything else. Now? Well, he is upset at NXT so NXT is a "scam" the main original developer is now "an idiot hack", etc.
Just, the criteria changed so much that it makes any position he takes incoherent. When people used to attack NXT he would defend the protocol as being "the only hope for a decentralized future" etc etc. Now, the NXT code and entire protocol is a scam? Then, he attacks CfB here, but, he was a huge CfB supporter (who hasn't changed AT ALL in all these years)... so, what happened? Well, we know the answer, he got upset that he got booted from NXT forum - I mean, not a huge event to get THIS upset over. Nothing is, in fact.
The part that bothers me is that this same person, knowing the same things he knows today, flips his position COMPLETELY. That is just emotion talking, obviously. No rational person could come to completely different views on the same subjects with zero changes in information.
CfB was always a little crazy and cryptic - that is the same. His code and skills were always presented in an unorthodox manner - still the same. etc etc etc. Attacking NXT also seems very strange, as he was the biggest DEFENDER of NXT against many of the points he is bringing up about it NOW. *smh*
All this time and energy wasted has never been about "warning" anyone about anything. Just like all that wasted energy trying to "destroy" BITSHARES or whatever his "pet project to hate" was at any given time.
All of this has always been about 2Kool himself, the need to be heard (at any cost for any, even if trivial, reasons)... and here we are, in thread number 10,000 he has created about "the dangers of project XYZ" where his great character will "save the stupid fools who can't see the truth". It's always the same narrative and no one seems to care. His myriad threads never derailed a single project (the project will live or die on its own merits).
Point being, these type of threads are not about anything other than the ego of the "bringer of truth"... aka. guy just wants to ramble on and on for 100 pages about his need to save the planet, which is nothing more than someone needing an escape from reality. These threads are not about "investors" "protocols" "warnings", these threads are about the person who starts them and their need to project an importance onto their lives which they can't seem to realize away from the internet. I feel sorry for 2Kool, at his best, I thought he was a positive contributor - even at his angriest.
Just let this thread and others like it (the 100s he has created) die. There is nothing to see here. No one who put money into the protocol cares, they have already taken the risk and these communities are small - saving 300-500 people from their desire to partake in this kind of tech/movement is foolish. This thread is saving no one and harming no one, it is at best wasted space and at worse a sign that 2Kool is very unhappy about things outside the scope of this forum and the internet.
This makes me sad, honestly. At the very least, I wish he'd express how he REALLY feels... which I can see (this being super obvious), has nothing to do with saving anyone and protecting anyone from anything.
2Kool, I'm not going to curse, I'm not going to yell, etc. I'm sorry you feel so wronged and I would rather talk about THAT than waste more time pretending this thread is about anything OTHER than the need to express that you are upset at things which have little or nothing to do with "code", "investor safety and legality" and other points brought up.
I wish you luck, man. I always worried a bit about you. I hope things get better.
Are you 2kool from the NXT days?
Because the more I read your posts, the more I feel that same sort of obsessive nature (and "decentralizedeconomics" is not around, who clearly is also 2kool)... it must be you, no?
This is 2Kool. I am not altcoinUK or anybody else. A sure fire way to tell if it's not me is if they use foul language. A lot of what you are saying about me is incorrect. I'm not upset with NXT, nor have I attacked it. I don't like the NXT foundation, and I think the NXT "marketers" are incompetent. Personally, I don't think NXT ever needed or should have a "foundation" or "marketers". I think it is against the original ideology of the movement. I may not agree with everything JeanLuc or Riker does, but I've never called them "idiot hacks". I respect their talents.
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Seems Trumps appeal to lower class white males lacking in higher education is equally relevant here.
And your clever use of English in your sig, "WHY SO F*#KIN STUPID ?!?!?!?", indicates that you are part of the "upper class"? Lol
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