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1461  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Mining on: March 21, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
Stick an Ati 5830 in an old desktop and you'll be mining 260MH/s around BTC 0.8 per month for a £60/$100 investment. Use a mining pool that pays daily I recommend 50BTC but BitMinter is good too.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
1462  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Have any Canadians received their batch #1 Avalons? on: March 21, 2013, 05:34:20 PM
Someone in customs is mining Bitcoins.  Roll Eyes
1463  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: should i spend money for VGA right now on: March 21, 2013, 03:44:55 PM
Wow if you're just breaking even at BTC $68 you really need a low power ASIC. Cry Japan?
1464  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: March 21, 2013, 01:24:12 PM
Forget refunds, what would a gold miner do if their equipment supplier didn't deliver and they lost production?...

...sue someone for breach of contract and damages!  

Greedy ASIC supplier vs. greedy lawyer.. FIGHT! Wink
1465  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: March 21, 2013, 12:40:45 PM
There is no reason BFL should get a scammer tag - It isn't their fault that people fell for a product that would clearly never be made.

Seriously what are the bumps in their EclipseMC (BFL's) Mining pool if they were never made?

https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php

I suspect they got made and went stealth mode.  Somebody should screen grab this 7 day chart before it disappears. Wink
1466  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will the bubble burst? on: March 21, 2013, 12:29:14 PM
We're still in the smart money phase of your chart.  Talk of a bubble this early on is absurd.

Smart money was 2010/2011

1467  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin vulnerability on: March 21, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
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Wouldn't that be a major waste of money? I mean buying something to destroy it when it will never be on their level.. seems counterproductive to me.  Huh
We are talking about the U.S. Government. "Counterproductive" and "waste of money" are its primary characteristics.

The US government does have a way to manipulate currencies, it's called the Exchange Stabilization Fund.

ESF $550bn vs. Bitcoin $0.5bn

"may deal in gold, foreign exchange, and other instruments of credit and securities."
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/ESF/Pages/esf-index.aspx
1468  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Safe computer with safe system on: March 21, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
www.ubuntu.org just install it onto another partition on your hard drive and only use it for bitcoin client.
1469  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why are bitcoins so hard to purchase? on: March 21, 2013, 12:06:33 PM
You can always find people selling on ebay, dispite the risk of a PayPal charge back.
1470  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: What will happens when BFL will fail to deliver during the next 50 days? on: March 21, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
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if everything just like what you say, go and buy avalon =))

We would have if Avalon hadn't decided to price gouge $5200 + 20% Import duty!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
1471  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [POLL] Should Butterfly Labs (BFL) get a Scammer tag? on: March 21, 2013, 11:37:13 AM

Since they're having problems testing on the test rig, simply test it live. Any coins earned, they can donate to a charity of Frizz's choice.

Conspiracy Theory: Fly a programmer in to make your software hide your ASIC mining from the pool stats.  Huh

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Unless they start denying refunds, they shouldn't be labeled as scammers.

You understand how a Bitcoin arbitrage scam works right? You take bitcoins for a project then refund $ later when they are worth more. Free loan to build your mining farm plus a skim off the top.
1472  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin vulnerability on: March 21, 2013, 03:21:21 AM
21,000,000 x 8 decimal places.  Roll Eyes

It's a deflationary fractional currency.

21,000,000.00000001 BTC

The best way to destroy them is to crush the exchange rate with the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Which I expect them to do as soon as Wall Street gets hooked into it and creates a short derivative.
1473  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Save your Electricity Cost on mining on: March 21, 2013, 03:18:22 AM
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I can't imagine the kind of electricity bills you guys get out there.

Thanks for sending us Al Gore and his Global Warming tax propaganda, our governments fell for it hook line and sinker!

CO2 is the air you breath out, to tax Carbon Dioxide, is to tax breathing!
1474  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I thought you only needed one post to Unlock PM on: March 21, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
5 posts and 4hrs logged on the forum to escape Newbie prison.
1475  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will the bubble burst? on: March 21, 2013, 03:03:06 AM
All bubbles burst. Know the signs... I would say we're in the "Enthusiasm" or "Greed" stages.

1476  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin backing, blockchain.info? on: March 21, 2013, 02:57:11 AM
The cost of equipment and electricity to produce a Bitcoin is it's backing as far as I'm concerned.
A miner won't sell their coins at a loss.  I always say to people, mine one, then you will know it's true value. Wink

Could the blockchain be destroyed. Possibly, they keep backups though, but the database is pretty funky and if there was a really high number of transactions, you never know. Some even called for banning certain gambling games with a high number of small transactions. (the recent fork issue). So not everything is ready for global transaction domination yet.
1477  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The latest Avalon announcement in China(Translated). Batch #3, price and more. on: March 21, 2013, 12:30:25 AM
You no accept card or paypal, you no trust, you create demand for bitcoins, push price higher. Bitcoin payment need trust. We use other payment now? Or you still no trust?

As a vendor, I don't trust Paypal. And I've had many bad experiences with credit card companies where I always ended up holding the short stick

If I could do my entire business by receiving BTC only, I would surely sleep a lot better at night

That was the point of my piss take, he says we don't trust Avalon so have to pay more, but to buy with Bitcoin you have to trust your supplier!

Now if you gave trust discount for paying in BTC, but higher price for card/paypal payment, that would make sense.  Grin
1478  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Waiting for shares? on: March 21, 2013, 12:17:21 AM
Did you download the Bitcoin client and generate yourself a bitcoin address?
Then did you enter a pool address? 50BTC pays daily.
Not sure if a CPU will generate much, get a cheap Ati 5830 graphics card of ebay 260 MH/s and you'll have about 0.8 BTC a month.
1479  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 65$ - should I buy now? on: March 21, 2013, 12:11:18 AM
Or... Just use your $65 to buy an Ati 5830 graphics card, put in your PC, download GUIMiner and mine BTC 0.8 a month.  Wink
1480  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New Money? on: March 21, 2013, 12:05:24 AM
I think a lot of it is because the only ASIC manufacturer with a product only accepts payment in Bitcoin and they raise the price every time they have a production run.  Roll Eyes 600 untis x $5000 = $3,000,000

Also the Bitcoin gods half the payment for mining making it more costly to produce coins.
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