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15021  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Will Need to Create 'Unprecedented' 35 Million New Jobs if Immigration Bill on: May 14, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
Immigrants, illegal or not it doesn't matter, have been outcompeting US citizens for jobs here for the past 15 years. This article is a bunch of bullshit hype meant for comsumption by the braindead.

Furthermore, the gov has facilitated the outsourcing of entire domestic industries overseas for the past 20 years at the behest of its corporate masters. It's totally criminal.

Here's what caused the Mexican invasion, get enlightened:
http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/chapter-22.php

The whole book is a must-read, google for the pdf of it or go buy it.
It's all the big corporations and the bankers that are the problem!

Suuuurrrreeee....

Holy wow, where have you been? LOL
Big corporations and bankers are problems... but are they the problem?

Lol you beat me to it....

We are, of course, looking for THE Problem...

It is like the They, in They Live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

 It is the Capitalized version of The Problem.

I love that movie!!!

Please enlighten me on what the problem is. Is it brown people wandering around the desert looking for your job (for the past 20 years) and chinese people wandering around china looking for your job? Is that the problem? Or is it our secret reptilian overlords from planet x?

I can't tell what context you're in. Don't be all mysterious about it. Gimme something i can work with already!

I will however go out on a limb to say a problem is that the hilariously bogus insinuation that we need to create 35 million new jobs all of a sudden, but not earlier, is probably being swallowed whole by flag waving morons.

Quote
Then again, having been around our southern border and Mexico for a long time, I could seriously discuss it but the above linked to "webofdebt" states it's premises to which facts must be bent to fit, well, even in the URL...

Not sure what you mean by all that, especially the URL bit. Hopefully you made it past the first paragraph or even the URL since you made a comment. It doesn't sound like you did.

If your nation's currency took a total crap on itself like the peso did and the economy was tanked and you could make a living the next country over, I'm pretty sure you'd go do it. Not much to refute there. I've travelled greater distances than this for better work myself.

So therefore if you are in the know about how the peso actually crashed which is different than the link I posted, I would love to hear it.
I read a couple of pages, but the writer jumps back and forth between the 70's, 80's and 90's making assertions and cannot seem to hold a single idea and develop it.  It didn't seem worth continuing.

Regarding the cause of Mexico's problems, they go way back.  Back to Cortez taking the place over with his 400 soldiers.  Back to the mixing of the native weird excuse for religion with Catholicism, which to an extent continues to today.  Back to the establishment of a class society where those with Spanish blood are highly esteemed, and those of Indian blood are not.

Back to Pancho Villa, a murderer and rapist of innocent Americans, who was nonetheless sheltered by the Mexican people.

There have been continual problems with Mexico, and there have been many devaluations of the peso.  At the core is corruption, and the inability to see contracts honored.  To even attempt to focus on one devaluation of a currency is ridiculous, and to assert that somehow some group manipulated to it's benefit the drop in value when a currency moves from fixed to floating is carrying the theory of top down control past the point where the top down control has been purposefully abandoned.

When a country moves from fixed exchange rates to floating, there are of course consequences.  They may be estimated by comparing the black market to the official exchange rates.
15022  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: May 13, 2013, 09:18:48 PM
Will bitcoin become "the motor of the world"? Wink
Heh, no.

But it might become that static motor John came up with before he disappeared.

http://nanoholdings.com/
These guys are on it as far as the "motor of the world" is concerned.
Think Ayn Rand knew something we dont?
she did see a Rothschild.
Powerful people with powerful ideas usually have some insider info.



Well, she also predicted the shale oil bonanza we are currently experiencing.  But Nanoholdings has no vise grip on scientific advances, so called "nanotech" is a very, very broad term and there are quietly, every day advances occurring in it.
15023  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS on: May 13, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
I have ny sympathy for religious nutcases, even if they call themselves Tea Party.

Though I'm wondering, why are getting tax exempt? Can we get tax exempt status too please?

Also, it would probably be in Democrats' best interests to help the Tea Party as much as possible. They divide republican voters quite well, allowing Democrats to win more seats. Hell, some Democratic politicians actually admitted to funding local Tea Party candidates, just because they are so loony that beating them in elections is easier. So I doubt this is an order that came from above.
Ah...

You might want to dig into it a bit further.  This is roughly equivalent to say, Bush having the founders of MoveOn.org, Thinkprogress, and TPM audited by the IRS, and forcing them to disclose their donor lists, right before an election.

Wait....you wouldn't have stood for that from Bush?  No kidding?

http://c0391070.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/pdf/irs-questions-aclj-tea-party-clients.pdf
15024  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Will Need to Create 'Unprecedented' 35 Million New Jobs if Immigration Bill on: May 13, 2013, 08:57:19 PM
Immigrants, illegal or not it doesn't matter, have been outcompeting US citizens for jobs here for the past 15 years. This article is a bunch of bullshit hype meant for comsumption by the braindead.

Furthermore, the gov has facilitated the outsourcing of entire domestic industries overseas for the past 20 years at the behest of its corporate masters. It's totally criminal.

Here's what caused the Mexican invasion, get enlightened:
http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/chapter-22.php

The whole book is a must-read, google for the pdf of it or go buy it.
It's all the big corporations and the bankers that are the problem!

Suuuurrrreeee....

Holy wow, where have you been? LOL
Big corporations and bankers are problems... but are they the problem?

Lol you beat me to it....

We are, of course, looking for THE Problem...

It is like the They, in They Live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

 It is the Capitalized version of The Problem.

Then again, having been around our southern border and Mexico for a long time, I could seriously discuss it but the above linked to "webofdebt" states it's premises to which facts must be bent to fit, well, even in the URL...
15025  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS on: May 13, 2013, 03:04:44 AM
Six times the IRS has been accused of punishing President Obama's political opponents.

http://freebeacon.com/obamas-irs/

The thing with politicians is, when they use an illegal tool against their opponents they will be facing the other side of that evil hammer when they become opponents themselves. They legitimate it.

Not true, if the media is aligned with a politician, and is silent about those illegal tools, or protests only long after their use, and then weakly, but then if an opponent arises, screams at the least and silliest of transgressions.
15026  Economy / Economics / Re: FED refuses to return back Germany gold after an failed audit on: May 13, 2013, 03:00:21 AM
....
LOL  this is all so dated. NONE of ANY gold is in Ft Knox, it has all been stolen (rented out under authority of politicians they owned and then criminally sold) long ago by the private Federal Reserve Printing Company banksters. Evidence mounts that as many as 1.5 million 400-oz gold bars were replaced at Fort Knox during the Clinton Admin with specially ordered custom thin-sized-to-gold tungsten blank-bars which were then covered by CIA Mafia "Black Ops" criminals with a thin gold plate. Apparently even these forgeries have now found their ways into the holdings of SPDR Gold Trust (GLD).

Gld ETF Warning, Tungsten Filled Fake Gold Bars
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14996.html



And so much for this thread.
15027  Economy / Economics / Re: H.R. 1576, the “Dollar Bill Act of 2013” on: May 12, 2013, 02:44:51 AM

i really don't think you should sugar coat things. just say how you feel. lol

I'm not seeing any really sound logic in this proposal, from any of several points of view, including the "gold bug" view.  It is, however, a sideways swat at the Fed, which, by fundamentals,

THERE AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

15028  Economy / Economics / Re: Proof that Bitcoin is going to yield returns beyond my wildest hopes!!! on: May 12, 2013, 02:41:25 AM
I got this in my fortune cookie today!  I think it is a sign! Grin 



I thought they all said that.

I misread it...

A financial investment will yield returns beyond your wildest hypes.

Oh well.
15029  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Guns on: May 12, 2013, 12:51:06 AM
165 yard pistol shot and he took the crazy dude down.

Impressive.
15030  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS on: May 12, 2013, 12:46:27 AM
I found this link with at least part of the questions asked to the targeted groups. Some of them pretty much impossible to comply (or remember).

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/10/10-crazy-things-the-irs-asked-tea-party-groups/

Of course, this was not politically motivated and only a low level employee did this. OK maybe 200 were involved but that was it.

"...& absolute power corrupts absolutely."


Let's assume the higher ups were complicit.  I believe part of that has already came out, and more will, of course.

There's some reason they choose to break this story now.  I wonder what it is. 

Back to the moral and ethical issues.  Apologies don't work, jail time does.
15031  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Custom frame for BTC/LTC mining (Up to 24 GPU ) $150 - $190 - $200+ on: May 11, 2013, 07:50:20 PM
FIRST PRE TESTING RESULTS / PRE BETA
Hi Everybody, I'm happy to report that everything is going fairly well and that the first results are positive.
I so far mounted 4 Cards (7950 Gigabyte WF3 with F43 BIOS, BAMT), 5th coming this afternoon. I found the following.
Depending on ambient air temperature (tested at 17-18C outside), I got the thing stable at 67C-72C, 1080W. Hashes average for testing 580-600 kH/s .
For cooling, I used a 24" industrial fan (low speed) which only really pushes air on the edge (design flaw), which is not good at all. It seems a shroud would help a lot to push the air in between the cards and not around the frame.
I'm going to see if I can get some space to allow the cards to stay correctly positioned. Right now, I used a foam spacer otherwise some of them touches (you'll understand when you see the pictures).
Posting again soon.

The 5 cards setup so far. Waiting for #6 and some special parts to customize the rack.



Just a note.   Some of us here honestly trying to offer you suggestions have studied heat transfer and worked in the field.

And yes, it is rocket science.

Smiley
15032  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Will Need to Create 'Unprecedented' 35 Million New Jobs if Immigration Bill on: May 11, 2013, 07:47:42 PM

I WISH those numbers were true.  They wouldn't even be worth mentioning.  Unfortunately with a population of over 300 million, you are talking at minimum single digit millions and probably double digit.  I'll make it easy, just look at the southern states.  Again doesn't mean everyone, so no one needs to get all defensive.  But this is the sect of the country that started a civil war to preserve slavery, fought against civil rights, fightings against amnesty (immigration) and gay rights, just to name a few.

It's a serious group that has dominated America since its founding and decade after decade, they become smaller and smaller.  And that's the only reason we have a president of color is because they are now dominated by progressives and minorities.  This is an ideological bunch that claims "Christianity" but who's actions produce nothing but separation, division, hatred and bigotry.  

Those are the sad facts and remain the stains on the fabric of America.  The good news is, good will toward one another is slowly winning out.  Now, I'm going to have to excuse myself from this thread because it's not doing me any good, so I'm going back to focus on Bitcoins.   ;
I must not have met the haters of whom you speak.  I certainly have met haters, from all backgrounds of religion and athiest and don't care, and from all sections of the country and other countries.  The idea that some type of geographic area and some sort of supposedly Christian ideology  brings forth some virulence similar to Al Queda is certainly quite interesting.  Unfortunately, and demonstratably, the major haters of the world are Muslim, and within that large grouping, the minor sect and believers in the writings and additions to the Koran of Sayyid Qutb. 
15033  Economy / Economics / Re: U.S. Will Need to Create 'Unprecedented' 35 Million New Jobs if Immigration Bill on: May 11, 2013, 07:35:43 PM
Immigrants, illegal or not it doesn't matter, have been outcompeting US citizens for jobs here for the past 15 years. This article is a bunch of bullshit hype meant for comsumption by the braindead.

Furthermore, the gov has facilitated the outsourcing of entire domestic industries overseas for the past 20 years at the behest of its corporate masters. It's totally criminal.

Here's what caused the Mexican invasion, get enlightened:
http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/chapter-22.php

The whole book is a must-read, google for the pdf of it or go buy it.
It's all the big corporations and the bankers that are the problem!

Suuuurrrreeee....
15034  Economy / Economics / Re: FED refuses to return back Germany gold after an failed audit on: May 11, 2013, 12:35:37 PM
Its only a matter of time before it`s all unravelled and then physical Gold can not be brought at any price.
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/why-there-may-be-a-lot-less-gold-than-we-realize

Here's the problem with the scenario described in the article.  The suggestion is made that the "gold is leased out", and that this means it was physically removed from the Fed vault and placed in the hands of a third party, who paid the Fed some amount of money.  There is not anything basically wrong with this UNLESS....

It's Germany's gold, or gold held on behalf of some other person or party.  Then the fiduciary duties have been broken.  At that point you have crime, and any who participate in covering it up, more crime.

Think about it.  It's no different than if you had something in a safe deposit box, and the bank decided to use it for their own profit.  Then you went to open the safe deposit box, and they refused to let you.

15035  Economy / Economics / Re: FED refuses to return back Germany gold after an failed audit on: May 11, 2013, 02:00:42 AM
.....fascist demon Rhode's enslavement of most of Africa for the white racist eugenic Northern European Tory-Trotskyite gold Pharaohs and his discovery and monopolization of the massive diamond-mineral commodities there was an 18-19th century phenomenon. Fortunately this most evil and vile inhuman demon was unable to do the same to gold, but today DeBeers has such a glut of now near-worthless diamonds, that they have to bury most of them again...

I separated out the bit of your prose with truly colorful phrases.  Are there other evil and vile inhuman demons we should be on the watch for?

In fact, yes! They would be all those soullessly bestial reptilian-brained psychotic 'creatures' who's all-selfish "lone survivalist" creed against The All of Our Loving Parentage is that of the "Three Snakes" of apep; Envy, Greed and Violence, which are always to be "spat upon", as symbolized by the ancient Egyptian hieroglyph of the appearance | 666 |
Got it!

Violence
Envy
Greed

VEG

Vegans!!!!

The root of all evil.

I knew it.
15036  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Average Land Rent - Free Land for the average person. on: May 10, 2013, 06:34:47 PM
Land is no more free than bitcoins are. You have two means of acquiring bitcoins: mining, or buying. You have two means of acquiring land: first appropriation, or buying. The means of first appropriation are analogous to mining bitcoins: You use your property (your body, tools, etc) to mark out the land as yours. This proves that you are the first appropriator, much like using your hashpower to form a block before the other miners do proves that you mined those coins first.

But with Bitcoin they are just imaginary tokens like pokemon cards.  Land is what is required for life, food, and shelter.  Those that control the land can control ones life.  If you owned 1000 acres of Iowan farmland, you could lease the land for about $250 per acre.  Thus, you could be on the beach in California with $250,000 a year stipend.  Since land is scarce, you can survive by solely owning land.
You can survive solely by owning Bitcoins, as well. What you can't buy directly with bitcoins, you can buy with currencies you can buy with Bitcoins. It sounds like your problem is with rent... Fine, don't rent, buy land. Problem solved.

Exactly.  If an acre of this hypothetical land nets $250 per year in rent, then the present value (i.e. purchase price) is something like 20x annual rent cashflow or $5K per acre.  100 acres @ $5K ea = $5M.  If you have $5M in performing assets the reality is you likely don't need to work.  Land isn't special in that respect....
I think something like this has been going on for a while in Ethiopia, and they are not, um, doing too well.  Something about not working that hard on land you rent versus land you own.

What could possibly be wrong here?
15037  Economy / Economics / Re: FED refuses to return back Germany gold after an failed audit on: May 10, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
.....fascist demon Rhode's enslavement of most of Africa for the white racist eugenic Northern European Tory-Trotskyite gold Pharaohs and his discovery and monopolization of the massive diamond-mineral commodities there was an 18-19th century phenomenon. Fortunately this most evil and vile inhuman demon was unable to do the same to gold, but today DeBeers has such a glut of now near-worthless diamonds, that they have to bury most of them again...

I separated out the bit of your prose with truly colorful phrases.  Are there other evil and vile inhuman demons we should be on the watch for?
15038  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Average Land Rent - Free Land for the average person. on: May 10, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
Land is no more free than bitcoins are. You have two means of acquiring bitcoins: mining, or buying. You have two means of acquiring land: first appropriation, or buying. The means of first appropriation are analogous to mining bitcoins: You use your property (your body, tools, etc) to mark out the land as yours. This proves that you are the first appropriator, much like using your hashpower to form a block before the other miners do proves that you mined those coins first.

But with Bitcoin they are just imaginary tokens like pokemon cards.  Land is what is required for life, food, and shelter.  Those that control the land can control ones life.  If you owned 1000 acres of Iowan farmland, you could lease the land for about $250 per acre.  Thus, you could be on the beach in California with $250,000 a year stipend.  Since land is scarce, you can survive by solely owning land.
You can survive solely by owning Bitcoins, as well. What you can't buy directly with bitcoins, you can buy with currencies you can buy with Bitcoins. It sounds like your problem is with rent... Fine, don't rent, buy land. Problem solved.
Look, you need to get with the program.  We need to create elaborate groups of words, then build on top of them a secondary layer of words with derived meanings, then build a set of reasonable,just, justifications on top of that for taking peoples' stuff away from them.  You can have some of their stuff, too.  There's a lot of it out there to be taken.

Smiley
15039  Economy / Economics / Re: FED refuses to return back Germany gold after an failed audit on: May 10, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
....
Adam Smith noted that at the core of the mercantile system (he largely opposed for populist reasons) was the "popular folly of confusing wealth with money," bullion was much the same as many other rarer (savings) commodities, most of which (diamonds he exampled) were far superior to it.

A wealth is too much of some commodity-thing, a money is what the prime resources of people are rewarded with for their labour's worths.

I say diamonds are actually worthless, actually as common and valueless as sea shells if it were not for the DeBoers Monopoly who artificially engineer the phoney "shortage" of them, and gold is also much like that too.

Fine arts, antiques and collectables are far superior, as are emeralds and really rare metals like platinum and palladium (and rare earths).
You refute your own hypothesis, since Adam Smith far predated the diamond DeBeers monopoly.
15040  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Average Land Rent - Free Land for the average person. on: May 10, 2013, 04:52:15 AM
I just don't understand homesteading.  We start from the axiom that each individual owns himself, and therefore his labor, and therefore the products thereof.

You can't own labor. Thankfully, you don't have to in order to homestead something. You just have to be there first, and do something to mark your claim. It's the fact that you were there first that establishes your first, best claim.

Georgism is the flawed concept that everyone has a claim to all land, and therefore, when someone stakes a personal claim, they are taking from everyone else. The problem is, they don't have a claim to that land, because they were never there, they're not losing anything, because they never had it.

I don't know anything about all that complicated talk, but I do know something I like about communism. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul_qm3Ym8-k

She could talk me into doing some redistributing...
You know Russia's not communist anymore, right? Wink

Sounds okay with me.
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