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1541  Bitcoin / Pools / Kano.is v slush was Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: November 10, 2015, 05:39:30 PM
Still the invalid blocks we keep hitting pisses me off

Try CKPool at kano.is  They are set up to handle many miners with very few orphans/invalid blocks.  Unfortunately, most are into the bells and whistles of Slush Pool.  If you set up an account at CKPool and log in, you will see they have added quite a few "bells and whistles."  You do not see the new added features until you create an account.  Those features are not marketed on the home page though.  If they were to market all of their features, they might have more miners join.
1542  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 09, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Anyone experience a issue where changing the pool information is not saving?

Have you logged into that device with SSH at any point?  IIRC making changes to the config manually (via the shell) could make the web interface not save changes.  Let us know if that's something you've done.

Also, I've found with previous units that simply pressing "return" (enter) on your keyboard does not "save" the pool settings.  With previous units, I actually had to click "save & apply" in the bottom right hand corner of the miner configuration.  This may have changed with the S7.  I'm not certain of that.
1543  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 09, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
So if I have a s7 running off a bedroom power outlet am I capping the circuit? I don't think the bedroom has its own circuit on the breaker box

Usually a bedroom has it's own circuit. As long as you are not drawing more than 1500watts total in the room, you should be fine.

Yeah all my lights are LED, only other thing is power ine Ethernet adapter
PoE can use only ~ 40W max IIRC, so you should still be well below the max of a 15A 120V circuit ( 1800W ).

Yes, you should be fine.  The only thing I would keep in mind for the future is if BITMAIN ever comes out with a rig or combination of rigs close to 1800 watts in the future.  Most people have 20 amp circuit breakers in their home on 12 AWG wiring.  However, electricians often install receptacles (outlets) rated at 15 amps instead of 20 amps in the walls of our home.  So, if you ever get a rig or a combination of rigs in the future close to 1800 watts, you may want to consider changing out the outlet from 15 amps to 20 amps on a 20 amps circuit to avoid over heating the outlet itself.

We often believe it's okay to take a 20 amp circuit breaker on 12 AWG wiring to 75% (1800 watts) while not realizing we are maxing out the outlet itself that is normally rated at 15 amps (1800 watts).  If we have a circuit with 12 AWG wire on a 20 amp breaker, we should not assume the outlets are also rated at 20 amps as well.  Such a mistake has the potential to create an electrical fire in the wall at the outlet itself instead of the wiring.  You will first notice this by seeing discoloration of the outlet.  For example: going from white to a beige color.  You will also notice the cord and the outlet are extremely hot to the touch.
1544  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 09, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
I have been in telephony for twenty years, but more on the WDM than TDM. The last ten years I have been mainly doing SIP/RTP for large corporations. Always fun to bump into a telephony person, although I am an enterprise network/security/voip architecture manager now and not doing much contract work.

Ufo

I never got into fiber a whole lot.  I know just enough to get me in trouble.  LOL  My father knew a hell of a lot more about fiber than I did.  He's a retired Transmission Engineer from Bell South [Now AT&T].  I used to work for bell south but left there in 1994 to get into art (doing portraits of people in oil).  I got back into telephony in 1997 as a contractor to train telephone technicians.  

It sounds like most of your work has been at both ends instead of the middle.  Most of my knowledge is about the middle (providing maintenance for what connects both ends together for networking, voice, etc...).  Yes, I know a bit about the Central Office (CO) equipment.  I know a bit about carrier equipment [integrated (single ended) and universal (double ended)].  I know a little bit about switchs [5E, DMS, Stromberg, etc...].  

Most of my time has been involved with transmission trouble shooting on copper.  I teach basic electricity and how it applies to the local telephone loop; outside plant engineering design for POTS, ADSL, bonded ADSL, T1 lines with repeaters, HDSL with doublers, etc.  I teach noise mitigation, power influence (longitudinal current); how it radiates into the facility and can convert into noise (metallic current).  Longitudinal Balance testing.

I also teach Fault locating on copper wire with multi meters like the Dynatel 965-AMS and JDSU HST-3000.  I let them know what buttons to press to do what they need to do to identify the trouble and also what to do with the meter to locate the trouble [What should they expect to see electrically when they press a button; WHY should they expect to see that electrically and what is the meter doing on the inside to give them the electrical measurement.  Meaning, HOW does their meter measure voltage, current, resistance, capacitance for opens test, impedance, decibels, frequencies (that flow longitudinally and metallically), how a TDR (Time Domain Reflectometer) locates troubles when measuring time and impedance].  

I teach locating faults on the cable shield as well and not just individual conductors.  How the meter uses a modified version of the wheat stone bridge that's called an Anderson Bridge to locate high resistive shorts, grounds and crosses.  There are many things I teach in different classes ranging from 4-Days to 10-Days.

I owe my father a lot of the credit for the knowledge I have.  I wish I had listened to him a lot sooner in life than what I did.  I did learn quite a bit in the Marine Corp about meters but not specific to telephony meters.  I didn't gain that knowledge until I began working for Bell South.

Good to see another telephony guy on here as well.

Take care, Sir and may the blocks be with you.

David
1545  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 09, 2015, 09:24:42 AM
Hey man ...

AT my rate im going to have to have another breaker and line put in or get a new PDU for a 40 amp or 50 amp line and go that way,I'm good for maybe 3 more 30 amp breakers or two 50 amps or two 40 and one 50 amp but id be pushing it with two 40s and one 50s . then i would have to up my service for sure .

i hope you do get those what was it 110 th on line in your home?. i don't see why you can't .

cya

Go for it with the additional PDU.  Do what you gotta do, within reason.

I hope to get it going soon as well.  First thing to get done will be adding more amps to my existing service.  All in time...
1546  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 08, 2015, 07:07:04 PM
^you can get away with a bit more than 80% load, but i would absolutely not exceed 90%. for the risks it creates, you may as well just install another breaker+wire run, instead of risking a failure in your wiring.


Yes, I agree.  Better safe than sorry!  I only wanted to share my experience with running at 100% myself on PVC (Polyvinyl Chloride) insulated wiring.  This is the type of wiring generally used inside a home.  It's the type of wiring I purchased for my setup.   Mine is not inside of walls or conduit.  

PVC wire heat resistance [On a scale from 1 to 5] is 2.  Which means the insulation of the wire would be considered a little below average [or fair] in its ability to withstand heat.  Especially, over long periods of time inside of a non-ventilated space like walls and/or conduit.  Hence, the reason why I've said I would not push this wire over 80% if it's inside of walls or conduit.  The normal temperature rating for PVC wiring can range from 60C, 75C, 90C.  Usually, the temperature rating is noted on the packaging but not always.  My 10 AWG (10/2) wiring is rated at 90C (194F).  Even 60C is 140 degrees Fahrenheit.

When I ran my four (4) 30A circuits on 10/2 PVC wiring part of the summer at 95 to 100 percent, the wire and outlets worked well.  They did not get too hot to the touch at all.  I could keep my hand on them without having to take my hand off.  They felt warm but not hot.  Remind you, my wiring for my rigs is not within walls.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND doing what I did if your wiring is within walls or conduit.  I have since added another 30A circuit to allow me to run my circuits at 80 percent instead of 95 to 100 percent.

The only reason I've mentioned this is to say what the wire is capable of handling if not inside walls and/or conduit.  Am I telling people to do this?  No!  I'm only informing people of what can actually be done with the wire.  I personally believe it would be beneficial to stay on the side of caution by adding an additional circuit(s) to keep them all at 80 percent or lower.  Especially, if your circuits are inside of walls and/or conduit.  I personally, will run my 30A circuits at 85% when I get all of my S7's.  Remind you, my circuits are NOT inside walls and/or conduit.

So, don't think I'm advocating for everyone to run their circuits at 100 percent.  I would say you could if your circuits were not inside of walls and/or conduit but I would only do it for a short time as I did myself.  I put off adding another circuit for approximately 40 to 45 days.  My wiring and outlets performed well and did not get too hot at 95 to 100 percent load until I added another circuit.  That's all I'm saying...

EDIT:  The main reason I would NOT recommend running at 95% or higher on this wiring for a long period of time is because air is a poor insulator.  Without shielding the strands or even solid wire, an electrical potential can over-stress these air voids between the strands or between multiple conductor(s) and the outer shield of those conductors.  This air breaks down or ionizes, going into what's called, corona (partial discharges). This will form ozone and can chemically deteriorate cable insulation over time. If you bought high dollar wiring with semi-conductive strand shielding, It can eliminate this potential by “shorting out” the air.  

I mention this a lot in my training when the subject comes up about using alligator meter clips with a bed of nails that penetrates the insulation to have contact with the conductors for testing purposes.  I explain when the insulation is damaged, an ionization process can occur from exposure to more air [Especially damp air] to emphasize the importance of cutting off the portion of wire they damaged with their meter clips and re-splicing to avoid having potential problems with that circuit in the near future.  Those meter clips with a bed of nails are responsible for many of the opens they have in the local telephone loop.  Most opens begin at a low resistance value and they increase in resistance as the copper wire gets smaller in diameter over time due to this ionization and electrolysis.

http://www.amazon.com/Alligator-Clip-Nail-Angled-Medium/dp/B00M1V7E5A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447014797&sr=8-1&keywords=bed+of+nails+clip



So, again, I'm NOT advocating individuals load their circuits at 85% or higher OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME!  I see I need to be more specific when I elaborate on a subject because it can be taken the wrong way at times.  If you are in your initial setup and or install and your wiring is NOT inside walls and/or conduit, one could load their circuits greater than 80 percent without much fear if it's for a short period of time.  The longer your circuits have a load over 80%, the life of the insulation for the circuits can deteriorate over time.  This deterioration can result in the insulation being more susceptible to higher temperatures and thereby reduce its ability to withstand heat over time.

So, if you would like to mine with more rigs but don't have all of your circuits installed yet, you could do so for a short period of time [under certain conditions] until you have the other circuits installed for those rigs to get everything within a 75% to 80% limit.  That's all I'm implying.  I've done this myself while putting my setup together.  Remind you:  MY WIRING IS NOT WITHIN WALLS AND/OR CONDUIT!  My setup is completed now and enough circuits are installed for the amount of rigs I have at present to keep me at 85% or less.  I feel 85% is plenty safe for my install because my install does not have wiring within walls and/or conduit.

When I add more power to my setup for more rigs in the next month or so, I will add enough circuits to keep them around 80% or less.  I'm presently running my circuits at 67%.  Each 15A breaker on my 30A metered PDU's say they are running at 10 amps [Approximately 66/67 percent].  When I get more S7's (batch 6) at 1042 watts each, I will run them at 5 x S7's per 30A PDU.  This will be  72 percent of its maximum.  I would probably be fine with 6 x S7's (batch 6) at 86.6 percent of it's maximum for a short period when it gets close to time for the move to a new location for my setup.

When I do move my setup to another location, I will have every circuit at 80% or less.
1547  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 08, 2015, 04:25:58 PM

If I hit greater than 80% usage with 10awg wires on each 240v breaker, will it cause a potential for fire? Could I add a some of the lower s7's to fill in the difference between the sag limit for continuous load?


If the 10 AWG wire was inside walls or conduit you will want to keep it down to 80%.  Heat generated from the current flow in the wire cannot be ventilated out of a wall or conduit.  Which means there is increased risk of wires over heating and the insulation potentially melting down.  It also depends on the insulation of your wire.  Some insulation will break down [due to heat] faster than others.  Especially, inside enclosed places that lack ventilation [such as, walls and conduit].  Wire that is not inside of walls or conduit can generally be run up to 100% of the rating of the wire.  If you feel safer not running your circuits to 100% if they are not inside walls or conduit, that is fine.  Better safe than sorry!

BY THE WAY, Love the "clean" setup. Are the S7's joined together with the tongue and grooves or just sitting next to one another?
1548  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 07, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Assuming it's still a string design now with 15 Nodes the Core voltage has increased from 0.66V to 0.8V. If you believe the BM1385 data Sheet, which I am now uncertain of, then the J/GH will be worse than 0.3J/GH, that translates to at least a 20% increase in power to 1250W.

However too many if's and unknowns in the equation for my liking...

Rich

I was seeing the same thing, Rich.  Which has me wondering if the "+10%" is correct.  Meaning, 1042 watts + 10% is also based off of the lowest voltage of 11.6 Volts and not the highest of 13.0 Volts.  At 11.6 Volts the core voltage is 0.77V for 15 strings.  At 12.0 Volts the core voltage is like you said, "0.8V for 15 strings."  

So, it appears they may have kept the original specifications for 162 chips with 18 strings and simply want us to add 10% to those original specifications now that they are using 135 chips in 15 strings.  At least that's the way I'm understanding it at the moment.
1549  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 07, 2015, 06:56:33 PM
I disagree, it was B4/B5 that was limited. this one is not.
Also, boards are completely different with 135 vs 164 chips.
I believe that from now on it will be just B6 or alike.
Perhaps, this configuration is more amenable for the next gen of chips.

With btc at 388, I don't know, but if we correct to $325 and btc price/machine stays, I would be getting some.
Besides, you can safely use worse PSU's if you got them.

Well, if your prediction is correct, I hope these are actually 1,042 watts instead of an additional 10% on top of that.  

However, f it is another 10% on top of that, it's not a deal breaker for me.
1550  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 07, 2015, 06:44:21 PM

This board with less chips, lower hashrate, but with greater power usage, My guess would be this was the original batch 1 that just absolutely failed expectations and resulted a re-design leading to the boards that are in the B1,B2,B3 etc .... They did say they had a very limited number of them.


I suppose that is possible with Batch 6.  I was looking for them saying, "limited number of them" but I could not find it.  Only time will tell when we see B7, B8, etc...
1551  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 07, 2015, 04:11:12 PM
Not sure if this has already been mentioned in the thread:

BITMAIN did correct the specifications on Batch 6 to say the following:  "5. Chip quantity per unit: 135 x BM1385"

I still find it confusing it says:

2. Power Consumption: 1042 W + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

3. Power Efficiency: 0.25 J/GH + 10% (at the wall, with APW3, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)

The reason this is confusing to me is because it does not say, "+/-" but only "+"



The BM1385 chip is capable of 32.5 GHS per chip at just 0.216 Watts of power usage per GHS with 0.66V core voltage.

I'm just totally confused at the moment.  Can someone chime in to help me understand if it is 1042 watts at the wall @ 600MHz or 1,146.2 watts (+10%) ??
1552  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 06, 2015, 04:55:45 AM
Yeah SP20 is kinda weak to cold air.

I had to heat mine first before starting it when it was cold.

Hehe, my other ones fired up no prob =) But, yeah is weird.

Now, Im wondering is there any replacement fan I can stick in these to make em quieter? Even at 10% FAN they still loud to live within the same room.
My temps are really under control at 10%, only 50C on the on side =P

the connector to their fan is non standard, but somebody was able to get it on ebay or use molex directly to PSU.
Someone also said that Scythe Ultra kaze was able to do the job at least at downclock.
BTW, instead of 10 you can try auto. I am pretty confident that with your temp fan will go to lowest (6) when downclocking to 1200-1220 GH.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161350482183?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
1553  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BITMAIN announces Antpool on: November 06, 2015, 02:27:00 AM


Did anybody ever have this happen to them I sent the payment and it took over an hour to make the first confirmation. I only have an hour to send it. its marked paid but still says expired now what. I emailed BITMAIN they said just wait a few days for them to fix it but I don't trust this. Its a lot of coins for me to lose. for you guys its nothing for me its a lot. S7 by the way.


 Huh Cry


He's right.  Same thing happened to me.  I simply created a ticket at Bitmain Support and they took care of it.  It took about 24 hours total for the payment to be confirmed via email.  It took another 6 hours for my status in my "Orders" to be changed from "unpaid / unshipped / expired" to "Paid / unshipped / Valid."

I placed my order at 4:59am CST on 11/04/2015.
1554  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 06, 2015, 01:29:23 AM
I'm with user100000 regarding "speculation."  He's located on tradingview.com.  Here's a link to his "space" on trading view:  https://www.tradingview.com/u/user100000/

Thanks for that url, I never bookmarked it from a thread a longtime ago. Smiley


Ufo

You're welcome.

This could be the beginning of historical wave 3.  IF it is historical wave 3, it is usually the biggest wave of 5 historical waves.  Each wave normally takes several years.  So, historical wave 3 will last at least to 2018, if not 2021.  We can see Historical wave 3 top out anywhere from $30,000 to $250,000; depending on how many years it lasts.
1555  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Everything Bullish Thread (Bullish Media Center) on: November 05, 2015, 11:24:05 AM
Hi Fakhoury,

I haven't seen anything posted in a while.  Just checking in to see if all is well with you.  Hope you're alright...
1556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis ended on: November 05, 2015, 10:40:04 AM
Yes, come on back, Masterluc!!!  

What did Winston Churchill say?  Never, Never, Never give up!!!   Angry Angry Angry

Now's the time you have to get fighting mad and chew the charts a new arss.
1557  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 05, 2015, 08:08:50 AM
Batch 4 and 5 are sold out.
1558  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 05, 2015, 06:09:48 AM

I'm with user100000 regarding "speculation."  He's located on tradingview.com.  Here's a link to his "space" on trading view:  https://www.tradingview.com/u/user100000/
Quite the wild ride sir.
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Yes, it is quite a wild ride.  Not to say it won't have it's up's and down's (consolidation moves) while heading upward, cause it will definitely have those kind of moves on the way up.  We had similar moves like this on the way up in November, 2013.
1559  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: November 04, 2015, 08:09:39 PM
Yep looks like batch 5 might be out at:

Price:       1799 USD
               ( 3.82 BTC )

Sold Out

So that is crazy good price compared to other's.  Would not surprise me if they re-open at a higher rate in a day or so.

I would not be surprised either.  I really don't see this pump stopping anytime soon.  Yes, we will have our moments of consolidation.  But, it will continue going up.  I have my thoughts on how high it will go just before the halving [Where it will dump; then climb again after the halving].

care to share here or in speculation?

I'm with user100000 regarding "speculation."  He's located on tradingview.com.  Here's a link to his "space" on trading view:  https://www.tradingview.com/u/user100000/
1560  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 04, 2015, 12:11:04 PM

Not sure what you mean by writing "The order books are empty" and "few pumpers".
I'd say on the contrary we have A LOT of trades and volatility.
Price moved up 17% in 12h, 24% on 24h.

I'm no bear nor bull, just an observer struggling to find the sweet spot to close his long trades.
So far i can't see any reliable signals.


I believe that is what whales with big pockets are counting on:  People who "... find the sweet spot to close his long trades."  Big money has the patience to wait.  They will keep taking this up [Giving opportunities for people to sell at so called sweet spots].  They will be sitting sweet in 2017/2018.  I believe big pockets have decided to jump in now rather than wait until sometime after the new year to accumulate coin.  

This may also be a scheme to pump up to over $2k by May, 2016 and dump to $1.2k.
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