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161  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Judging demand;- MinePeon x86 (GPU & Litecoin Mining)? on: May 05, 2013, 12:24:15 AM
I hesitate to say yes. Not because I don't think it'd be great, but because I would hate for you to spend a lot of time on something that might not be rewarding.

I personally am looking at setting up some boxes at a new location with 7xxx series, not supported by bamt, and a quicky mine based linux would certainly be great, but if things fall through, with either the location or mining in its current form, I'd certainly be abandoning in a hurry.

So put me in for +1/2, as I'd like it, but I don't want you to knock yourself out over it Smiley
162  Economy / Auctions / Re: [AUCTION] 1.000 Avalon Asic Chips from Zefirs Groupbuy on: May 04, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
Especially if auction price starts > 2x the original price.
163  Economy / Auctions / Re: Single ASICMINER Blade Auction - 48 Hours - Ships immediately on: May 04, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
We've already passed the BTC price of the second auction  Huh
Well, I'm still interested but it looks like prices are going to stupid places again.
164  Economy / Auctions / Re: Single ASICMINER Blade Auction - 48 Hours - Ships immediately on: May 04, 2013, 12:59:18 AM
Sounds good, have a pic of your unit? Hashing away would be nice too.
165  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Radeon HD 7950s for $150 NCIX on: May 03, 2013, 07:58:24 AM
I heard that place is a madhouse on those sale days. Like black friday. Not worth the savings if you die.
166  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Price and difficulty, will there be a respite? on: May 03, 2013, 07:51:32 AM
Its ALWAYS better to buy and hold than to mine...

 Roll Eyes

Wonder where people get this soapbox. If it were always better, why would anyone mine?

I can't speak for others, but I started mining because it seemed "fun", not because it seemed like some sort of painful scheme that would make me rich. So I learned on the go, reading the forums, playing with hardware first hand, reading tons of stuff with lots of time. You can shortcut but it will ultimately hurt you.
167  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Some General questions about mining I haven't found answers to on: May 03, 2013, 07:40:30 AM
There are rare occasions where blocks are "orphaned", in that someone finds a solution and broadcasts it, while someone else working on it finds a later solution before being "informed" of the existing solution, tries to broadcast their solution, but is rejected by the "real" blockchain, and loses credit. It's fairly rare though. Usually you'll receive an update from the network to switch to the new block.
168  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: [1 BTC BOUNTY] Get 6 radeon 7970 installing and mining in Windows 7 x64 on: May 02, 2013, 10:13:12 PM
I'm running 5 GPUs (3 cards) on Win7 x64. I had to use 11.12 though, I would get BSODs logging into Windows with 12.X

What you need is

Windows 7 x64
11.xx drivers

12.x drivers don't support more than 4 GPUs.

Using 6 single GPU cards on a MSI Z77A-G45 on Win7 x64, 11.12 drivers, 2.1 SDK. Would have 7 but the board turns off a 1x slot if the adjacent 1x slot is populated.

Seems a lot of consensus on that point. Something worth trying. 7970s seem to be picky cards, tons of weird problems with them that vary from person to person. This might be one of them.
169  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: AMDs new HSA technology - impact on mining on: May 01, 2013, 03:00:09 PM

From what it looks like, and I'm not software expert, this is simply allowing pooled memory space, which I don't believe would have any impact on mining. Maybe it'll make scrypt a little easier to handle? Not sure, since you're still not hitting the CPU very much when your GPU is hashing away.
170  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: HORRIBLE HD7970 Performance on: May 01, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
I'd just RMA this straight away. Your card is likely thermal throttling, hence the terrible performance.

Card is likely defective, hence the PC shutdown. So yeah, RMA might be in order.

Just as an aside, maybe take the old manual peek to make sure the fans are actually running as they should be, and nothing is blocking them. You'd be surprised what the eyeball can do for you in terms of diagnostic troubleshooting.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Please Rate This LTC/FTC Rig on: May 01, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
Please rate this rig:

Also can someone help to make an estimation on kH/S that I would be able to achieve mining LTC or FTC and breakeven points.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/UdnG

CPU:  AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX  AM3+ Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory:  G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($60.30 @ Newegg)
Video Card:  Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire)  ($109.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card:  Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire)  ($109.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply:  Raidmax 730W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply  ($48.75 @ Newegg)
Total: $593.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-01 07:15 EDT-0400)

Raidmax is utter garbage, and you don't need 730W for that rig anyway, so why not put the money towards a decent PSU of smaller size?

Silverstone 80Plus 500W is a good psu iirc, for like $55.

8GB of RAM is overkill for 7750s, and the sniper series is somewhat overpriced. Any old hum-de-dum ram is probably fine, maybe like 4gb of adata for $30?

That motherboard is really good, probably too good for a 2 gpu setup. Same with the processor. Now remember you're asking as regards a mining rig, if you plan to actually use this thing, then that's a different story.

As for the cards, they kind of suck for mining, you'll get maybe 120KH? I've heard the 7790 gets about 220KH, and costs only a lil bit more, so that might be something to look at.

Breakeven? no one knows, when BTC skyrockets, it might crash LTC. Currently 200Khash will get you like $50 - $70 / mo, so... assuming nothing changes (and it will) you'd maybe breakeven in 11months? Assuming 24/7 mining, and no elec costs.

172  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Who is interested in good quality good price power unit supplies, 1kw , 1.5 kw? on: April 30, 2013, 11:48:38 PM
Might be interested, would need some assurances of quality (super important component) by someone more qualified than myself (amateur PSU enthusiast) though.

Prices and specs also welcome.
173  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How much RAM required per 7970? on: April 30, 2013, 11:47:00 PM
I'm honestly a little confuzzled by all this ram and scrypt stuff.

I have 4GB on a machine, and running 3x7970s with CGMiner, they absolutely refuse to run with a thread concurrency above 18k. I looked back over the posts and ck says that he thinks it's a ram issue, and no other solutions have been offered. The cards run at lower concurrency, but at much lower hashes than I would like (something like 575KH/sec for a 7970 is poor) because of the subpar settings they are running under. They didn't have this issue when there was only 1 7970.

So be aware that more cards may yield more problems.
174  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Which one of these mobos is best to run 5 7970s? on: April 30, 2013, 11:44:25 PM
2 cards on power should be alright. Might be some funky-times with your dual PSU setup. If you have a kilawatts, check the wall-draw from the second PSU, I remember one fellow who had a dual set up similar to yours would find that all current was flowing through one PSU, and none through the other, even though he swore the cards were split between the PSU.
175  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: End of GPU celebration, DataCenter or no? on: April 30, 2013, 11:41:45 PM
I saw it, it doesn't really help me however, as I mentioned power is my big downfall. That thing would just trip all my breakers and probably burn my house down. Not entirely sure who could run that thing at full capacity either.

I'm working on it. But right now, anybody with 220V/240V in their garage or shop could. It seems that we will not exceed the 6000W envelope/TDP for the 7950-7970. So we will be at 25A on 240V. Very reasonable, you will not burn your house down with that.
The only complication is exhausting the heat, which is about 20500 BTU. I'm looking at both air cooling with ducting for racks and oil cooling with heat transfer to the outside.



Lucky for those that have a 30A 240W line in their home. Unfortunately not so for this fellow.

I did find what seems to be a pretty good deal, looking at the fellows quote above. 2 Full Cabinets, wired with 15A of 240V (208V obv usable) each, unlimited 100mbps internet, 24x7 hands on tech, for $1100/mo, with no setup fee. Looking like datacenter is back on the table wewt. Now I just have to figure out how I would remote admin all that nonsense.
176  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: End of GPU celebration, DataCenter or no? on: April 30, 2013, 05:52:02 PM
I saw it, it doesn't really help me however, as I mentioned power is my big downfall. That thing would just trip all my breakers and probably burn my house down. Not entirely sure who could run that thing at full capacity either.

ty for the info, always good to have comparisons. I suppose though that pricing is dependent upon usage? I found some pretty good rates, however the big killer seems to be that for colocation people expect you to be there for a while (else a large set up fee), which makes no sense if I'm just looking for a quick flash in the pan. C'est la vie.

I use a data center for stuff other than mining. Just so you can get an idea of the cost here is what I pay.

4 full size enclosures
1 two post rack
Multiline FastE
100 Mbps internet with 10 Mbps base
1 20amp/208volt redundant pair
2 20amp/120volt redundant pair
2 20amp/120volt

Total 100 amps of power
80 amps of usable power

Limited to 125 watts/sq ft

about $4,300/month

Recently evaluated moving to other data centers but we seem to be getting a great rate for being in a premier data center. Found that we would end up paying more for lesser data centers. Our price might be because we have been there for around eight years now.

Note:
To comply with National Electrical Code Article 220.3 (B) (9) (pre 2008) and 220.14 (I) (2008 and later) we are allowed continuous loads to draw only 80% of a circuit breaker’s rated capacity

You might also want to consider this option. 24 GPU per rack. Under development but a lot cheaper than everything else depending on what your goal is.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191117.0
177  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: End of GPU celebration, DataCenter or no? on: April 30, 2013, 05:08:01 PM
ty for the info, always good to have comparisons. I suppose though that pricing is dependent upon usage? I found some pretty good rates, however the big killer seems to be that for colocation people expect you to be there for a while (else a large set up fee), which makes no sense if I'm just looking for a quick flash in the pan. C'est la vie.

I use a data center for stuff other than mining. Just so you can get an idea of the cost here is what I pay.

4 full size enclosures
1 two post rack
Multiline FastE
100 Mbps internet with 10 Mbps base
1 20amp/208volt redundant pair
2 20amp/120volt redundant pair
2 20amp/120volt

Total 100 amps of power
80 amps of usable power

Limited to 125 watts/sq ft

about $4,300/month

Recently evaluated moving to other data centers but we seem to be getting a great rate for being in a premier data center. Found that we would end up paying more for lesser data centers. Our price might be because we have been there for around eight years now.

Note:
To comply with National Electrical Code Article 220.3 (B) (9) (pre 2008) and 220.14 (I) (2008 and later) we are allowed continuous loads to draw only 80% of a circuit breaker’s rated capacity
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: feathercoin pool(100M+) on: April 30, 2013, 04:33:42 PM
Is there a way to try to pester the admin other than the forums which he doesn't seem to read?
179  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Difficulty Speculation on: April 30, 2013, 07:36:24 AM
Sorry but there is just no way to get a reasonable estimate.

Avalon has delivered 1 batch, batch 2 is nowhere in sight, no one knows what the status is. Batch 3 will be affected by batch 2, etc. In fact, that's part of what made me reconsider an ASIC chip purchase from avalon. Either way is kind of not good, if their batch 2 is delayed, and their chips ship on time, that's pretty shady for batch buyers, if batch 2 is delayed, and chips are delayed, then everyone loses.

ASICMiner is a big question mark. They've sold off about 60 * 10GH/sec miners (600GH) for a ton of money, whether that prompts them to reinvest into making tons of miners, selling more, or keeping supply low while demand is high, is anyones guess.

BFL is the biggest question mark of all, no one knows how many orders they have, how many refunds are waiting, what their production capability will be (currently they don't even have cases for their products, let alone boards).

We could roll around into August and see a tiny nudge in difficulty (if batch 2 is on the streets, it'd be about 25mil, if batch 2 + 50TH appears from ASICminer maybe 50mil), or if everyone unleashes the kraken, we could see potentially 150 + 100 + 200 + 250 TH added on to the network, which would be about 100mil. The only way we see 500mil is if some magical pixie dust super energizes every ASIC maker, BFL included, all the "up and coming" asic makers turn out to be able to produce and ship a product in 2 months, and new asics are priced at $1 / GH, shipping that day delivered overnight shipping. (500mil is roughly 50x current difficulty, or 3,500TH/sec, almost impossible by August, requires about 2000 BFL minirigs to be delivered).
180  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER ASIC FPGA GPU overc monit fanspd RPC linux/win/osx/mip/r-pi 3.1.0 on: April 30, 2013, 02:40:39 AM
Seems to be an old unresolved issue from earlier, with some machines with less ram apparently. Guess no scrypt for me, thanks anyway though.

Has anyone ever seen this error before?

Just put in 3x7970s into a machine, cgminer works fine for btc but when I try to run --scrypt it gives me

Code:
 [2013-04-29 14:42:27] GPU 0 failure, disabling!
 [2013-04-29 14:42:27] Thread 0 being disabled
 [2013-04-29 14:42:27] Error -5: Enqueueing kernel onto command queue. (clEnqueu
eNDRangeKernel)

for every card. Regardless of what tags I run it with (even just cgminer --scrypt)

Running windows 7, 13.1 drivers. Not sure which SDK, if someone can tell me how to check I can tell them if it might help.
I ran scrypt while running 5xxx series cards on this same machine.

Any ideas?

Are you using the same copy of CGMiner that was on there when you were running the 5xxx series. If so delete the folder and get a new copy so it can remake files for you.

Well I thought you might be on to something, as I was using cgminer 2.11.4, so I downloaded cgminer 3.1.0 and tried running that, but got the same error when I tried to run scrypt Sad

I'm not sure, but I think he was talking about deleting your .bin files.

I installed a completely different version in a different folder, would that be accessing the old .bin files somehow?


If your running from the new directory then no.
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